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This week on Eyes On Success: HaptImage - A New Way to Explore Images

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This week on Eyes On Success:

 

1941 HaptImage – A New Way To Explore Images (Oct. 9, 2019)
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HaptImage is a system that provides blind individuals with multi-sensory feedback so that they can explore images in real time. Hosts Nancy and Peter Torpey speak with co-founders Shruthi Suresh and Ting Zhang, both graduate students in engineering at Purdue University, about this novel technology, the motivation behind it, and how it works.

 

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Re: Here we go again

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Hi Gene,

For irregular heartbeat, have they ever tried an ablation for you? I have known a few people that had good success with that. I will be praying for you. I am very sorry that you are having a rough time.

Jan


Re: Lenovo Updates

Bharat
 

I would highly recommend you go ahead and update all the possible utilities and the drivers on this laptop or PC. There would be absolutely zero impact on any of the accessibility solutions in USE due to these updates. They are very useful from the stability perspective.

Thank you,

Bharat.

On 09-Oct-2019, at 5:47 AM, Vicki W <vwherry4@...> wrote:

I have a Lenovo laptop which keeps asking me to do Lenovo system updates. I am still running Windows 7 on this laptop. I have JAWS 2019 and the beta 2020.
 
Will running the Lenovo update change anything significant on the computer as far as Windows or JAWS?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki


android or chrome os on a desktop?

goshawk on horseback
 

hello all,
am currently running win7 on my desktop machine, but seemingly support for this is going to end this coming january.
not only do I not really want windows 10, as I have just heard so many stories of access issues with it, especially when it comes to those pesky ribbon menus, but as my current screenreader is window-eyes, that seemingly won't work with it as well.
so if I have got to change both my os and screenreader, rather than the win10 rout, I wondered if there is any sort of android desktop machine?
as at least having used that on my samsung phone, if there is, I thought that may be a better rout to go.
if that's not possible, another option that I am considering, is something like chrome os, again, if I can find that on a desktop machine, so am wondering if anyone has had any experience of this with it's screenreader, and range of apps?
as I have heard a few good things about this, but don't really know that much about it.
 
Simon
 
 


Lenovo Updates

Vicki W
 

I have a Lenovo laptop which keeps asking me to do Lenovo system updates. I am still running Windows 7 on this laptop. I have JAWS 2019 and the beta 2020.
 
Will running the Lenovo update change anything significant on the computer as far as Windows or JAWS?
 
Thanks.
 
Vicki


Re: Windows 10 updates again

emile
 

Wow Dave! Your explanation is so clear and it has answered a lot of questions. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer all my questions. Have a good one.
Emile.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 4:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Hello Emile,


Others may have their own thoughts vastly different than mine, but let me attempt to give reasons for why Microsoft, in spite of using Beta Testers, still suffer from Bugs and other Headache issues.


The first thing is that how many PC users are there around the World? Millions?  A Billion or two?


And probably very few of those Millions of Machines all have the same files, and combinations of files.   And then on top of this, the Machines can be very different from one another, and I am speaking of Hardware here, and not Software.  The Typical PC can be built from a Parts Bin of parts, made by anyone from around the world, and every Company that makes parts can make them in what ever way they believe will be compatible with the Standards for a PC System.    And these Component Companies are constantly updating their own hardware, and they also have many models of what ever part they produce.  Say the typical Video Card manufacture has how many models per year, and during that year, how many hardware changes are made?  And then have this done by most of the Companies who produce Components that will eventually be placed into your System, and even though there is such a wide variety of Part designs and quality, Microsoft has the unenviable task of needing to run flawlessly on that Hodge podge of Computer parts stuffed into that Box sitting on your desk, or on your lap.


Sheesh!  I am Surprised much of anything works as well as it does!


Now Apple on the other hand, keeps very strict control over the parts that go into their Apple Mac Systems.   So you could say, the Apple OS is Tuned to run well on those known Components and only those components.


Microsoft only designs and manufactures the Windows Operating System, and Microsoft has  no real ability to control how the many component manufacturers create, build and then sell their Computer parts.


And sometimes there are combinations of Computer parts that are just not quite 100 percent compatible.  Now, in theory, they are to be compatible, but just because they are supposed to, doesn't always mean they are 100 percent compatible.


OK, so MS Windows has to be able to talk and work with all the varieties of parts that make up those Millions of PC Systems.


Then add to that mess, all the millions of Software Titles that get installed onto those millions of Systems.


those software titles are all supposed to be following Microsoft Standards, but guess what, they don't always do this.  Even Microsoft doesn't always follow their own Rule Book for writing Software!  And these programs that have such Rule violations within them, might not run the same on all PC Machines.  And this could be where conflicts start to cause problems.


And Microsoft has changed these Windows Standards over the years MS Windows has been around.  So a program that followed the rules to the letter 10 years ago, might not run all that well on the latest edition of MS Windows because the Rules have changed enough to cause problems for older programs.  And I am leaving out a Lot here, and am only trying to quickly cover the ground to give you an idea of just what Microsoft has been able to do, and the miracle that it is that any of us have a System that works well.


I won't talk about all the various Drivers that come with some of the Hardware found in your System.  And I won't say much about how these Drivers can have conflicts if not updated to the latest driver, or there might be conflicts if you do update those much needed drivers!


And then there is the operating System, that has to meet requirements put in place by many Governments around the world.  I once worked for a Software Company where our program would not work 100 percent if they were using a System made in England, Germany, or a few countries in South America.


Apparently, there were small differences in the version of Windows sold and installed on Systems in those Countries.


this same company, where I worked, had an issue if the user had a particular Asian Font installed.  Go figure!  But it would give all sorts of Wild Video problems when our program was operated.


So when the typical Windows user, decides to go ahead and Push the Big Red Button to start downloading and installing the latest Microsoft Update, that Update could be getting installed on a System that has some serious issues, because the owner of this System is constantly altering the Settings, updating other software, uninstalling software Bla Bla Bla.   And on and on it goes!


Or everything could be perfect, and still the download gets Sideways and is Corrupted and now that perfect machine is in a rough place.  maybe the update can be uninstalled, or maybe it can't.  Depends upon what sort of File Corruption took place, and which files are corrupted.


And I am leaving out a lot here that can all be factors in whether or not your System is going to download and update as it should or not.


For myself, I know I try to keep my System very Clean.  I don't do a lot of Experimentation with my Main System.  And so far, on this New System, I have not have issues with updates.  But, when I go ahead and Press the Big Red Update Button, I confess, I do Hold My Breath, Pray, and Hope for the Best.


Grumpy Dave


Re: i-Bill Reader Question

Norma A. Boge
 

If Canada's paper currency were by far more counterfeited than any other
currency in the world, you probably would not have tactile markings. Not
making an excuse for the u.S. Dept. of Treasury, just citing a fact.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris
judge
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 3:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i-Bill Reader Question

I can't believe you guys still do not have markings on your currency. Here
in Canada we've had them for several years now.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: October 6, 2019 10:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] i-Bill Reader Question

As one who keeps attempting to run a business and must necessarily count out
bills for customer's change fast and quick, I detest the iBill! Tactile
markings should have been on the dollar bill more than ten years ago if my
counting is reasonably accurate. ACB won that landmark case against the
Department of Treasury even though the NFB was averse to the idea, sided
with Miss Government and lost on all fronts.

How long exactly must it take to come up with acceptable tactile markings on
the dollar bill? The $1 bill is exempted from such markings and that's fine
with me. Using the iBill or even any phone app in my situation is NOT
KOSHER and poses threats against which I may not be able to defend myself in
a store front where I am typically working alone.

How many more litigations are needed to correct a wrong? And I'm told
always that TWO WRONGS don't make a right, how about the very first wrong?
If Miss Government can't police herself by making sure that she enforces ADA
impartially, why should private commercial entities be scolded at every turn
for hardly ever thinking about ADA?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Windows 10 updates again

chris judge
 

A tremendous wall, and it would be very not nice if you shimmied over it in the dark.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: October 8, 2019 10:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

And in the words of the Great Twit himself; “It will be a big beautiful wall.”!!

Trump that!!!

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: October-08-19 6:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Apparently, you are not paying attention.  Congress isn’t even trying to fund that wall.

 

James B

 

 

 

From: chris judge

Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:17 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Because they need to fund Donny boys wall.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi,

 

For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.

 

Or, is this unrealistic?

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

 

 

From: emile

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

chris judge
 

They can’t of course. Just trying to add a little humour, sorry.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: October 8, 2019 10:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

How can our individual political views progress this thread?

 

James B

 

 

 

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:44 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

 

Donny Boy?  I understand that the President will fly into a rage if anyone calls him Donny to his face.  He doesn't even like being called Don, although he certainly acts like one.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 10/8/2019 8:17 AM, chris judge wrote:

Because they need to fund Donny boys wall.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi,

 

For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.

 

Or, is this unrealistic?

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

 

 

From: emile

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

chris judge
 

Smile. He behaves like a Donny.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: October 8, 2019 9:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

 

Donny Boy?  I understand that the President will fly into a rage if anyone calls him Donny to his face.  He doesn't even like being called Don, although he certainly acts like one.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 10/8/2019 8:17 AM, chris judge wrote:

Because they need to fund Donny boys wall.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi,

 

For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.

 

Or, is this unrealistic?

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

 

 

From: emile

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

Japan has a similar situation wherein there is no such thing as corporate immunity; corporations as people and so on and they seem to be doing all right with much less corruption than you see in the USA.


On 10/8/2019 1:21 PM, Gene wrote:
That’s interesting but it would be impractical today.  It would also open the door to all sorts of opportunities for corruption.
 
Back then, capitalism was in its very early stages and a provision like that fits in with a not well formed system.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi Gene,

Apparently you are not aware that in the early days of the republic, corporate charters were granted on a limited basis. That is to say, that states could revoke them after a certain time period if they were seem to have violated the public trust or not lived up to the aspects of their charter. In the late 19th century, this limitation was all but eliminated by the Supreme Court in what I believe were called 'The Slaughter House Cases.'  Since then, once you have a charter, it is voidable only at the option of the corporation itself.


On 10/8/2019 9:39 AM, Gene wrote:
You are fifteen or twenty years out of date.  Microsoft isn't what I would consider a monopoly any longer.  It has the most widely used operating system but it faces enormous competition in all sorts of areas. 
 
And pro-business or not, there is no practical way to have some sort of law against a business providing bad service or not managing itself well. 
 
What would you have happen, have some sort of commission rule on when a company isn't performing well and somehow trying to force it to do so?
 
We have, and need, product liability and food purity legislation.  The idea of having some sort of commission that says to companies, once you put a product on the market, if you don't maintain it properly, we'll get you, is absurd. 
 
The free market does some things well and competition is at the heart of the free market.  You are, in essence, saying that the government will now enforce competition by making companies produce products that function well.  If Microsoft continues down its current path, it will suffer the consequences.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

 

Congress is controlled by pro-business Republicans who have traditionally taken a hands-off approach to regulating big business.  The only way Congress would ever try to impose penalties against MS would be if the pathetic excuse of a President were suddently unable to rant on Twitter because of bugs in his computer's OS and he personally demanded that they take action against MS.  MS is an absolute monopoly, which by the way, has powerful lobbyists on its payroll greasing palms all over Washington, so they can essentially get away with  anything they damn well please with absolute impunity. . 

 

Gerald

 


 

On 10/8/2019 1:52 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.
 
Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?
 
I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 
 
I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.
 
Regards to all,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


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Re: Windows 10 updates again

Dave
 

Hello Emile,


Others may have their own thoughts vastly different than mine, but let
me attempt to give reasons for why Microsoft, in spite of using Beta
Testers, still suffer from Bugs and other Headache issues.


The first thing is that how many PC users are there around the World?   
Millions?  A Billion or two?


And probably very few of those Millions of Machines all have the same
files, and combinations of files.   And then on top of this, the
Machines can be very different from one another, and I am speaking of
Hardware here, and not Software.  The Typical PC can be built from a
Parts Bin of parts, made by anyone from around the world, and every
Company that makes parts can make them in what ever way they believe
will be compatible with the Standards for a PC System.    And these
Component Companies are constantly updating their own hardware, and they
also have many models of what ever part they produce.  Say the typical
Video Card manufacture has how many models per year, and during that
year, how many hardware changes are made?  And then have this done by
most of the Companies who produce Components that will eventually be
placed into your System, and even though there is such a wide variety of
Part designs and quality, Microsoft has the unenviable task of needing
to run flawlessly on that Hodge podge of Computer parts stuffed into
that Box sitting on your desk, or on your lap.


Sheesh!  I am Surprised much of anything works as well as it does!


Now Apple on the other hand, keeps very strict control over the parts
that go into their Apple Mac Systems.   So you could say, the Apple OS
is Tuned to run well on those known Components and only those components.


Microsoft only designs and manufactures the Windows Operating System,
and Microsoft has  no real ability to control how the many component
manufacturers create, build and then sell their Computer parts.


And sometimes there are combinations of Computer parts that are just not
quite 100 percent compatible.  Now, in theory, they are to be
compatible, but just because they are supposed to, doesn't always mean
they are 100 percent compatible.


OK, so MS Windows has to be able to talk and work with all the varieties
of parts that make up those Millions of PC Systems.


Then add to that mess, all the millions of Software Titles that get
installed onto those millions of Systems.


those software titles are all supposed to be following Microsoft
Standards, but guess what, they don't always do this.  Even Microsoft
doesn't always follow their own Rule Book for writing Software!  And
these programs that have such Rule violations within them, might not run
the same on all PC Machines.  And this could be where conflicts start to
cause problems.


And Microsoft has changed these Windows Standards over the years MS
Windows has been around.  So a program that followed the rules to the
letter 10 years ago, might not run all that well on the latest edition
of MS Windows because the Rules have changed enough to cause problems
for older programs.  And I am leaving out a Lot here, and am only trying
to quickly cover the ground to give you an idea of just what Microsoft
has been able to do, and the miracle that it is that any of us have a
System that works well.


I won't talk about all the various Drivers that come with some of the
Hardware found in your System.  And I won't say much about how these
Drivers can have conflicts if not updated to the latest driver, or there
might be conflicts if you do update those much needed drivers!


And then there is the operating System, that has to meet requirements
put in place by many Governments around the world.  I once worked for a
Software Company where our program would not work 100 percent if they
were using a System made in England, Germany, or a few countries in
South America.


Apparently, there were small differences in the version of Windows sold
and installed on Systems in those Countries.


this same company, where I worked, had an issue if the user had a
particular Asian Font installed.  Go figure!  But it would give all
sorts of Wild Video problems when our program was operated.


So when the typical Windows user, decides to go ahead and Push the Big
Red Button to start downloading and installing the latest Microsoft
Update, that Update could be getting installed on a System that has some
serious issues, because the owner of this System is constantly altering
the Settings, updating other software, uninstalling software Bla Bla
Bla.   And on and on it goes!


Or everything could be perfect, and still the download gets Sideways and
is Corrupted and now that perfect machine is in a rough place.  maybe
the update can be uninstalled, or maybe it can't.  Depends upon what
sort of File Corruption took place, and which files are corrupted.


And I am leaving out a lot here that can all be factors in whether or
not your System is going to download and update as it should or not.


For myself, I know I try to keep my System very Clean.  I don't do a lot
of Experimentation with my Main System.  And so far, on this New System,
I have not have issues with updates.  But, when I go ahead and Press the
Big Red Update Button, I confess, I do Hold My Breath, Pray, and Hope
for the Best.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Here we go again

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
Aww so sorry to read this but hope they get you fixed right up. Sending all the prayers and good thoughts one can muster.
Robin
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 1:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Here we go again
 
I’m going back in hospital again, I hope for just a few days.  My heart rhythm is erratic and it will be monitored and treatment or treatments tried.
 
Gene


Re: Here we go again

heather albright
 

Prayers and god speed to a quick recovery! Heather

 

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From: Victor
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:41 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Here we go again

 

I’m sorry you’re going through this.  You’re in my prayers.

 

God bless,

 

Victor



On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

 

I’m going back in hospital again, I hope for just a few days.  My heart rhythm is erratic and it will be monitored and treatment or treatments tried.

 

Gene

 

 


Re: 4 X 6 inch, 6 hole plastic pages for notebook

heather albright
 

It saids office depo! I contacted braillebookstore and you might try thermoform company! Heather

 

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From: Gary L. Austin
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 1:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 4 X 6 inch, 6 hole plastic pages for notebook

 

Does anyone have a source for 4 X 6 inch plastic pages for a 6 ring binder?

 

 

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4 X 6 inch, 6 hole plastic pages for notebook

Gary L. Austin <austingl@...>
 

Does anyone have a source for 4 X 6 inch plastic pages for a 6 ring binder?
 
 
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Re: Here we go again

Victor
 

I’m sorry you’re going through this.  You’re in my prayers.

God bless,

Victor

On Oct 8, 2019, at 10:34 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I’m going back in hospital again, I hope for just a few days.  My heart rhythm is erratic and it will be monitored and treatment or treatments tried.
 
Gene


Here we go again

Gene
 

I’m going back in hospital again, I hope for just a few days.  My heart rhythm is erratic and it will be monitored and treatment or treatments tried.
 
Gene


Re: Windows 10 updates again

Gene
 

That’s interesting but it would be impractical today.  It would also open the door to all sorts of opportunities for corruption.
 
Back then, capitalism was in its very early stages and a provision like that fits in with a not well formed system.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi Gene,

Apparently you are not aware that in the early days of the republic, corporate charters were granted on a limited basis. That is to say, that states could revoke them after a certain time period if they were seem to have violated the public trust or not lived up to the aspects of their charter. In the late 19th century, this limitation was all but eliminated by the Supreme Court in what I believe were called 'The Slaughter House Cases.'  Since then, once you have a charter, it is voidable only at the option of the corporation itself.


On 10/8/2019 9:39 AM, Gene wrote:
You are fifteen or twenty years out of date.  Microsoft isn't what I would consider a monopoly any longer.  It has the most widely used operating system but it faces enormous competition in all sorts of areas. 
 
And pro-business or not, there is no practical way to have some sort of law against a business providing bad service or not managing itself well. 
 
What would you have happen, have some sort of commission rule on when a company isn't performing well and somehow trying to force it to do so?
 
We have, and need, product liability and food purity legislation.  The idea of having some sort of commission that says to companies, once you put a product on the market, if you don't maintain it properly, we'll get you, is absurd. 
 
The free market does some things well and competition is at the heart of the free market.  You are, in essence, saying that the government will now enforce competition by making companies produce products that function well.  If Microsoft continues down its current path, it will suffer the consequences.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

 

Congress is controlled by pro-business Republicans who have traditionally taken a hands-off approach to regulating big business.  The only way Congress would ever try to impose penalties against MS would be if the pathetic excuse of a President were suddently unable to rant on Twitter because of bugs in his computer's OS and he personally demanded that they take action against MS.  MS is an absolute monopoly, which by the way, has powerful lobbyists on its payroll greasing palms all over Washington, so they can essentially get away with  anything they damn well please with absolute impunity. . 

 

Gerald

 


 

On 10/8/2019 1:52 AM, James Bentley wrote:
Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.
 
Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?
 
I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 
 
I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.
 
Regards to all,
 
James B
 
From: Gene
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?
 
You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.
 
No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?
 
Cheers,
 
James B
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: James Bentley
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 
Hi,
 
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
 
Or, is this unrealistic?
 
Regards,
 
James B
 
 
 
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 


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Re: Windows 10 updates again

M.E.N. <magpie.mn@...>
 

FYI
I find this thread very irritating. It is a list for discussing technical issues, and I for one could care less about your opinions concerning politics.
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 7:58 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

Hi all,

Wow, you are certainly on a roll today Senor Levy! <LOL>

If he flies into a rage when people call him Donnie, then maybe we
should do it? He acts like a Donnie.

Sorry, yes that was uncalled for, but Senor Levy is really on a roll today!

Ann P.


Original message:


Donny Boy? I understand that the President will fly into a rage if anyone calls him Donny to his face. He doesn't even like being called Don, although he certainly acts like one.

Gerald


On 10/8/2019 8:17 AM, chris judge wrote:

Because they need to fund Donny boys wall.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Bentley
Sent: October 7, 2019 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
Hi,
For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider. So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.
Or, is this unrealistic?
Regards,
James B
From: emile
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous. How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first. People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues. If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt. Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.
Emile.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again
Microsoft does it again.
https://www.komando.com/happening-now/602534/deja-vu-microsoft-update-breaks-windows-again?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2019-10-07 <https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.komando.com%2Fhappening-now%2F602534%2Fdeja-vu-microsoft-update-breaks-windows-again%3Futm_medium%3Dnl%26utm_source%3Dnotd%26utm_content%3D2019-10-07&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf34506e8a8de4f3c925608d74b6eb78a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637060811204012277&sdata=uOPqdHuA5ct%2F5fTpCdQcRAVY%2FHiH2GSisuhc2C0yQes%3D&reserved=0>
Gene
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