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Re: WinAmp and Alternatives

Joe Orozco
 

Raising the volume works with Up Arrow as you describe, but it will
only go so far before hitting some sort of block that keeps it from
sounding as loud as the rest of my system. Thanks again for any
further tips.--Joe

On 12/2/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Do you use Winamp with JAWS? JAWS has had Winamp scripts for years. The
scripts are already in JAWS.

Did you try raising the volume? That has nothing to do with scripts. The
command is a Winamp command. I checked the command. It is just plain up
arrow to raise the volume. Start something playing. Press and hold up
arrow for many seconds. Does the volume rise?

If you never disabled the setting, it is very unlikely to be disabled. But
if the command doesn't work, I'll tell you how to use the easiest plugin to
adjust the volume settings withh and you can see what you find as to whether
it is disabled..

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


Does anyone know where these WinAmp scripts for JAWS can be found?

How do I reset the plugin?

And, to Gene's point, I don't mind disabling the volume control, but I
don't see where to do that in the settings. Any guidance? I tried
uninstalling and reinstalling, but some configurations must have been
preserved because the problem persists.

Thanks guys for any help.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Byron Stephens <bstephens122874@...> wrote:
Winamp has had scripts since 2003, and do a reset on the plugin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adel Spence" <adelspence12@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


you can tri foobar2000.
its grate
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsoro824@...>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 11:20 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
specific plugin tweak I can attempt.

Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?

Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Joe













Re: WinAmp and Alternatives

Gene
 

Do you use Winamp with JAWS?  JAWS has had Winamp scripts for years.  The scripts are already in JAWS. 
 
Did you try raising the volume?  That has nothing to do with scripts.  The command is a Winamp command.  I checked the command.  It is just plain up arrow to raise the volume.  Start something playing.  Press and hold up arrow for many seconds.  Does the volume rise?
 
If you never disabled the setting, it is very unlikely to be disabled.  But if the command doesn't work, I'll tell you how to use the easiest plugin to adjust the volume settings withh and you can see what you find as to whether it is disabled..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives

Does anyone know where these WinAmp scripts for JAWS can be found?

How do I reset the plugin?

And, to Gene's point, I don't mind disabling the volume control, but I
don't see where to do that in the settings. Any guidance? I tried
uninstalling and reinstalling, but some configurations must have been
preserved because the problem persists.

Thanks guys for any help.

Joe


On 12/1/19, Byron Stephens <bstephens122874@...> wrote:
> Winamp has had scripts since 2003, and do a reset on the plugin.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adel Spence" <adelspence12@...>
> To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives
>
>
>> you can tri foobar2000.
>> its grate
>> AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
>> trinidad and tobago!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsoro824@...>
>> To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 11:20 PM
>> Subject: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives
>>
>>
>> Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
>> worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
>> lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
>> it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
>> energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
>> specific plugin tweak I can attempt.
>>
>> Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?
>>
>> Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
>> for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
>> and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
>> updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



Upgrading from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10

Peter Spitz
 

I realize that I'm late to the game here but I want to upgrade my
Windows 8.1 desktop to Windows 10. Is this still free? Either way,
how would I go about doing this? Would I require sighted assistance?

Thanks!

Peter


Re: Real techh problem

Gene
 

You can try removing the program and whatever driver is used.  but without a description of the problems, people have no idea if the problem is more likely a software problem or perhaps a hardware problem, the card itself.  I have never tried to uninstall the program and I can't tell you how to completely uninstall all traces of it.  Depending on the problem, just uninstalling the driver and reinstalling it or updating the driver might be all that makies sense to do.  All the rest may be irrelevant to the problem.
 
Also, it might be time to just stop using the Realtech built-in audio and get an external USB sound card.  But again, we can't discuss the problems without knowing what they are.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
From: Fred Adams
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2019 9:15 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Real techh problem

I am using Win 10, latest jaws and outlook 2019.  I have been having
problems with real tech on this computer since I purchased it which was
about 18 months ago and I should returned it but I did not as I thought the
problem was in the settings.  I have had different technicians work on this
problem but nothing has worked for long and everything seems to be patchwork
and works for a time.  I want to completely unstall real tech, drivers etc
and do a complete new installation as if it were a new computer and start
over.  I want no more patchwork or repairs as I have had enough.  I would
appreciate any suggestions on removing real tech and installing new version.
Thanks much for any advice or help.  I have three computers and the other 2
computers work fine with real tech.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT





Re: Real techh problem

Monte Single
 

An inexpensive usb sound card will fix the problem.
About 15 or 20 dollars will do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Fred Adams
Sent: December-02-19 9:15 AM
To: talk group <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Real techh problem

I am using Win 10, latest jaws and outlook 2019. I have been having
problems with real tech on this computer since I purchased it which was
about 18 months ago and I should returned it but I did not as I thought the
problem was in the settings. I have had different technicians work on this
problem but nothing has worked for long and everything seems to be patchwork
and works for a time. I want to completely unstall real tech, drivers etc
and do a complete new installation as if it were a new computer and start
over. I want no more patchwork or repairs as I have had enough. I would
appreciate any suggestions on removing real tech and installing new version.
Thanks much for any advice or help. I have three computers and the other 2
computers work fine with real tech.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT


Re: WinAmp and Alternatives

Joe Orozco
 

Does anyone know where these WinAmp scripts for JAWS can be found?

How do I reset the plugin?

And, to Gene's point, I don't mind disabling the volume control, but I
don't see where to do that in the settings. Any guidance? I tried
uninstalling and reinstalling, but some configurations must have been
preserved because the problem persists.

Thanks guys for any help.

Joe

On 12/1/19, Byron Stephens <bstephens122874@...> wrote:
Winamp has had scripts since 2003, and do a reset on the plugin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adel Spence" <adelspence12@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


you can tri foobar2000.
its grate
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in
trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsoro824@...>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 11:20 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
specific plugin tweak I can attempt.

Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?

Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Joe









Real techh problem

Fred Adams
 

I am using Win 10, latest jaws and outlook 2019. I have been having
problems with real tech on this computer since I purchased it which was
about 18 months ago and I should returned it but I did not as I thought the
problem was in the settings. I have had different technicians work on this
problem but nothing has worked for long and everything seems to be patchwork
and works for a time. I want to completely unstall real tech, drivers etc
and do a complete new installation as if it were a new computer and start
over. I want no more patchwork or repairs as I have had enough. I would
appreciate any suggestions on removing real tech and installing new version.
Thanks much for any advice or help. I have three computers and the other 2
computers work fine with real tech.

FRED C. ADAMS W4HC
THE HOUR IS LATE AND
THE NIGHT IS FAR SPENT


Re: Seeking accessible police scanner advice

george b <gbmagoo@...>
 

Yes it is for ios also I have it

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: December 1, 2019 18:44
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Seeking accessible police scanner advice

 

You might want to try an app called “Scanner Radio “.

I have the pro addition, and it is really good.

You tell it what you want to hear and give it a location, and you’re in.

I have it on a Samsung phone, but I am pretty sure that it is available for IOS as well.

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Seeking accessible police scanner advice

 

Good evening folks.  Anyone know of a digital police scanner that is blind friendly, maybe one that can be controlled with an iPhone or Android?  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Re: Typhoon

Shelly Kane
 

Sorry to hear this.  Praying that they are all safe and that you are able to get home to them for Christmas.  Please keep us posted.

Shelly

On 12/1/2019 6:48 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Greetings JaffarSidek,

I truly hope your family and friends will be safe and you see them soon.
Cheers,
Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: December-01-19 7:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Typhoon

Hi all. This is strictly Off topic I know, but please keep my family in the philippines in mind as Typhoon Kamuri with winds of up to 150 MPH, bringing with it rain of up to 16 inches is as of now raging across Luzon Island in the Philippines. The hurricane winds is slowly rising, blowing across the area where we live. and is expected to peak early this morning, philippines time. I am expected to return to my family for christmes as I am currently working in Singapore. I only hope that I can return to my wife and kids with the knowledge that they are safe and sound. To those of you who believe in God, please pray for us. If you don't, keep us in your hopes. Thank you.






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Re: WinAmp and Alternatives

Byron Stephens
 

Winamp has had scripts since 2003, and do a reset on the plugin.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adel Spence" <adelspence12@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


you can tri foobar2000.
its grate
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsoro824@...>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 11:20 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
specific plugin tweak I can attempt.

Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?

Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Joe





Re: WinAmp and Alternatives

Adel Spence
 

you can tri foobar2000.
its grate
AdelSpence, founder of tt-games, the first audio gameing cumpaney in trinidad and tobago!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsoro824@...>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 11:20 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives


Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
specific plugin tweak I can attempt.

Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?

Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Joe


Re: WinAmp and Alternatives

Gene
 

Did you try to increase the volume?  I don't recall if the command is just up arrow or control up arrow.  Hold up arrow and see if the volume increases.  then, if it doesn't try control up arrow. 
 
You can also completely disable the Winamp volume control, though I'd have to check to see how that is done.  I have no interest in controling Winamp volume separately from the general volume, so I keep things simple by disabling the Winamp volume control.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 9:20 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] WinAmp and Alternatives

Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
specific plugin tweak I can attempt.

Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?

Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Joe



WinAmp and Alternatives

Joe Orozco
 

Hi, I’ve been using WinAmp 5.666 for a while. Until recently, it
worked fine, but lately it’s been playing audio at a significantly
lower volume than the rest of my system. After some cursory research,
it may have something to do with my output plugin. I don’t have the
energy to fuss too much with it, unless someone can point to a
specific plugin tweak I can attempt.

Are there JAWS scripts for WinAmp?

Or, what other audio players are people using? I like the interface
for WinAmp. I like the granularity of being able to move around files
and within files themselves, but if people have since moved onto more
updated players, I’d be interested in some suggestions.

Thanks in advance!

Joe


Re: Seeking accessible police scanner advice

Angelo Sonnesso
 

You might want to try an app called “Scanner Radio “.

I have the pro addition, and it is really good.

You tell it what you want to hear and give it a location, and you’re in.

I have it on a Samsung phone, but I am pretty sure that it is available for IOS as well.

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Seeking accessible police scanner advice

 

Good evening folks.  Anyone know of a digital police scanner that is blind friendly, maybe one that can be controlled with an iPhone or Android?  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Re: Typhoon

Carolyn Arnold
 

Have prayed. Let us just know how you and your family are after the storm is over.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 6:17 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Typhoon

Hello:

I am a devout, practicing Catholic and I do believe in God. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us posted and let us know how your family and friends are doing. Feel free to do it off the list if you like.

God bless,

Victor
On Dec 1, 2019, at 5:06 AM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi all. This is strictly Off topic I know, but please keep my family in the philippines in mind as Typhoon Kamuri with winds of up to 150 MPH, bringing with it rain of up to 16 inches is as of now raging across Luzon Island in the Philippines. The hurricane winds is slowly rising, blowing across the area where we live. and is expected to peak early this morning, philippines time. I am expected to return to my family for christmes as I am currently working in Singapore. I only hope that I can return to my wife and kids with the knowledge that they are safe and sound. To those of you who believe in God, please pray for us. If you don't, keep us in your hopes. Thank you.




Seeking accessible police scanner advice

Steven Johnson
 

Good evening folks.  Anyone know of a digital police scanner that is blind friendly, maybe one that can be controlled with an iPhone or Android?  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Re: Typhoon

Victor
 

Hello:

I am a devout, practicing Catholic and I do believe in God. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. Please keep us posted and let us know how your family and friends are doing. Feel free to do it off the list if you like.

God bless,

Victor

On Dec 1, 2019, at 5:06 AM, Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...> wrote:

Hi all. This is strictly Off topic I know, but please keep my family in the philippines in mind as Typhoon Kamuri with winds of up to 150 MPH, bringing with it rain of up to 16 inches is as of now raging across Luzon Island in the Philippines. The hurricane winds is slowly rising, blowing across the area where we live. and is expected to peak early this morning, philippines time. I am expected to return to my family for christmes as I am currently working in Singapore. I only hope that I can return to my wife and kids with the knowledge that they are safe and sound. To those of you who believe in God, please pray for us. If you don't, keep us in your hopes. Thank you.




Re: Typhoon

Pamela Dominguez
 

I will. I hope you can get to them, and that everything is not ruined. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 8:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Typhoon

Hi all. This is strictly Off topic I know, but please keep my family in
the philippines in mind as Typhoon Kamuri with winds of up to 150 MPH,
bringing with it rain of up to 16 inches is as of now raging across
Luzon Island in the Philippines. The hurricane winds is slowly rising,
blowing across the area where we live. and is expected to peak early
this morning, philippines time. I am expected to return to my family
for christmes as I am currently working in Singapore. I only hope that
I can return to my wife and kids with the knowledge that they are safe
and sound. To those of you who believe in God, please pray for us. If
you don't, keep us in your hopes. Thank you.


Re: New Laptop

enes sarıbaş
 

You would likely save the large recording file onto the mechanical drive, not the SSD. And it absolutely does not call into question the use of one. An SSD allows programs to install, run and function alot faster, and enables multitasking on a machine through high iops values.

On 12/1/2019 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
You would think caching would be turned off when Windows detects an SSD drive, but I don't know if that is practical, not being a tech or programmer.  But if someone is working with sound and video editing and using large files such as wave files which they edit and then convert to another format, your comments appear to imply that that is not a good use of an SSD, which in my opinion, calls into question the whole point of having one.  I'm not saying anything definite, I don't have the technical knowledge.  But that appears to be the implication of your comments.  It is common, for example, to edit a recording, let's say an hour or an hour and one-half in an uncompressed format, then save it in a compressed format.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Theoretically a drive has enough cycles  that use isn't a problem normally. But conversion of large files, and caching, in which ram is faster, use alot of SSD write cycles, esspecially with the ware leveling algorithms

On 12/1/2019 4:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>

 

 


Re: New Laptop

Gene
 

You would think caching would be turned off when Windows detects an SSD drive, but I don't know if that is practical, not being a tech or programmer.  But if someone is working with sound and video editing and using large files such as wave files which they edit and then convert to another format, your comments appear to imply that that is not a good use of an SSD, which in my opinion, calls into question the whole point of having one.  I'm not saying anything definite, I don't have the technical knowledge.  But that appears to be the implication of your comments.  It is common, for example, to edit a recording, let's say an hour or an hour and one-half in an uncompressed format, then save it in a compressed format.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Theoretically a drive has enough cycles  that use isn't a problem normally. But conversion of large files, and caching, in which ram is faster, use alot of SSD write cycles, esspecially with the ware leveling algorithms

On 12/1/2019 4:48 AM, Gene wrote:
So one of the very purposes for which a lot of people would want one, you say is harmful to it.  From what I've read, there are so many read/write cycles on an SSD that you don't have to worry about running out, even under heavy use. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

Your suggested use is harmful to the SSD. Converting files on the SSD would use alot of its write cycles, and ware out the drive.

On 11/30/2019 9:29 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  Your estimated use of time is much greater than it actually would be.
 
I simply don't care if a cached program opens in two seconds and if it opens in half a second using an SSD.  If I were converting large audio files on a regular basis and I could save one or two or three minutes per file, that would really mean something.  Opening programs a little faster is insignificant.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

With an SSD, caching is irrelevent, and programs open at lightning speed, under a second.
On 11/30/2019 11:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, I don't know what you are defining as a session.  if you let your computer run constantly and only reboot once a week, then a session is a week.  I doubt you are considering a session as being anywhere near that long but it is important to define terms when discussing anything where such definitions can't be assumed.  One hundred seconds over a long session hardly matters.  In one day, depending on how pressed you are for time, it may matter a little. 
 
Also, there is caching.  I don't know how long something tends to be cached.  The first time I open Firefox in a session, it takes a long time, perhaps about twelve seconds.  If I close and open it again, it takes about three.  Chrome takes roughly six or eight seconds the first time on my Windows 7 machine, I also used that machine for the Firefox estimated time.  When I open Chrome immediately after closing it, it takes about one second. 
 
So depending on how long cache information is kept, your opening figure times may be way off. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It absolutely does make a difference. If you launch firefox 20 times during a session, and it takes 5 extra seconds to to launch, that is a full 100 seconds of lost productivity. Have to add it usually will take longer.

On 11/30/2019 9:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say that.  I said that for many people, it won't make enough difference that they may care.  I don't.  If I write an e-mail, most of the time is spent writing it.  The amount of time I would save using an SSD wouldn't matter in terms of the e-mail program opening, it would likely have already been opened for the day or a good part of it,.  The same with a document.  If I'm working on a document, writing and editing and doing other possible work will take up most or almost all of the time.  Whether Word opens in one second or three or four, who cares?  Streaming, what difference does it make if the stream starts to play in one second or three?  If I read an article online that takes two minutes to read, do I care if it opens in one second or three or four? 
Someone who converts a lot of large files to other formats might want an SSD drive.  Others who do disk intensive activities might want one.  For a lot of users, I really doubt it matters enough to them to switch their current computers.
 
At this point, I haven't kept up with prices so I don't know if it is worth getting one in a new computer.  The way I use a computer, if I can save fifty or one-hundred dollars or more by staying with a mechanical drive, that's what I would do.  But not having checked prices, I don't know how much added price may be involved.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

wern't you the person suggesting that many people couldn't tell the difference between an HDD and SSD?

On 11/30/2019 8:09 AM, Gene wrote:
If you spend money fopr a top of the line machine, it is out of date, by a technical definition because something new and faster is out.  Most people don't people aren't going to be affected by whether a processor is a little slower por not.  they are not gamers, they don't run programs that require the kind of speed where a processor that is somewhat slower than the fastest in the moderate price range matters, and they might want to save one-hundred or more dollars even if money isn't particularly tight.  Many people spend more money than they need to be3cause they don't know how to determine what they need based on their use and how they anticipate using their computer in future.  Many people have computers that are years old, five or older, and they are perfectly happy with thir technically out of date machines that are plenty fast for them.  and if they really do want more speed, they would get a lot more speed by getting an SSD and maybe, though not at all necessarily, by adding more memory.  Word processing, e-mail, browssing, streaming, such uses don't require gaming or near gaming speed processors.
 
Gene
----- Original M3essage -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

I was extremely clear in my message. The processors on the provided model are out of date, and unles they have major financial troubles, most people will want an up-to-date processor on their devices. Otherwise the machine is practically aged even before you open the box. An older processor machine will likely need to be replaced sooner as it is behind the times, and might not be able to handdle applications earlier than a more current machine.
On 11/25/2019 8:56 AM, Gene wrote:
If the typical buyer wants to spend more money to future proof something they will probably find satisfactory for years, until they want to replace the computer because of age or newer features, that's their choice, but most users don't need to worry when they buy a reasonably fast computer now unless they dramatically change how they use computers.
 
Also, in your last message, you said you weren't most users.  I didn't say nor imply that you are.  But saying something is out of date with no explanation may lead some or many people to think that it isn't something they should consider when they might very well find it very satisfactory.
 
I'm saying that such commments about outdatedness and future proofing should be put in context.  Not doing so may cause many people to think or wonder if they should spend more, perhaps a lot more, money than they need to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

It isn't slow. But buyers might want a current model of processor to future proof it. This likely isn't an issue though, as Acer probably updated this line with iether a ninth or 10th gen processor choice.
On 11/24/2019 3:03 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Unless the buyer needs a gaming laptop or is editing a lot of videos, I can’t believe this laptop is too slow.

 

I love the way that I can run a virus scan, play music from Winamp, and have half a dozen Chrome windows open while I have Outlook and HJPad all open.

 

I haven’t used the USB 3.1 yet but I can write a 36 gig image to a drive using moderate compression in about 20 minutes with USB 2, while still going through email in Outlook.

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Outdated for what or in what way?  Do you mean that it isn't as fast as newer ones?  I would expect that is of no consequence for a user who doesn't use very resource intensive programs, in other words, for the majority of users.

 

A top of the line computer is technically outdated within months of purchase if, for some reason, you need or want the absolutely newest and most powerful technology.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 1:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

That is a nice unit, especially  because of the ethernet port  and number pad. The processor is outdated now, but when I replace my five year old laptop next year or so, I want something like this probably, though I would go for an I7 if it was available.

On 11/22/2019 3:10 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Hi Amy,

 

I recently bought an Acer 15.6 inch 4 pound laptop from Amazon.  It is very slim and really feels comfortable to hold in my hands.  It is extremely fast and it has a number pad.  I like it better than any laptop that I have ever owned.  This is my fifth laptop in about 4 years.  Its battery life for me is over 11 hours.  Note, I have my screen resolution turned down pretty low because I do not need to see the screen.  It does not have a DVD reader/burner.  It also does not have an SD card reader.  I have an external DVD reader/burner and an external SSD card reader.  I haven’t needed either in over 2 years.

 

Maybe there will be some sale  prices next week.  I can’t say for sure.  For right now, the price is $509, plus state sales tax with free delivery.

 

Here are a few details along with an Amazon  link.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-i5-8265U-Keyboard-Fingerprint-A515-54-51DJ/dp/B07RF2123Z/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TTW0G4ET3D313ZV7XE7D

 

Product description

Style: Notebook only

Acer Aspire 5 A515-54-51DJ comes with these high level specs: 8th Generation Intel Core i5-8265U Processor 1.6GHz with Turbo Boost Technology up to 3.9GHz (6MB Smart cache), Windows 10 Home, 15.6 Inches Full HD (1920 x 1080) widescreen LED-backlit IPS Display, Intel UHD Graphics 620, 8GB DDR4 Memory, 256GB PCIe NVMe SSD, True Harmony Technology, Two Built-in Stereo Speakers, Acer Purified.Voice Technology with Two Built-in Microphones, 802.11ac WiFi featuring 2x2 MU-MIMO technology (Dual-Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 port), Bluetooth 4.2, Back-lit Keyboard, Acer Fingerprint Reader supporting Windows Hello, HD Webcam (1280 x 720), 1 - USB 3.1 (Type-C) port (Gen 1 up to 5 Gbps), 2 - USB 3.1 Gen 1 Port (one with Power-off Charging), 1 - USB 2.0 Port, 1 - HDMI Port with HDCP support, Lithium-Ion Battery, Up to 9.5-hours Battery Life, 3.97 lbs. | 1.8 kg (system unit only) (NX.HG5AA.001)

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Amy Gordon
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:53 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Laptop

 

Sorry I plan to carry it some but wont be all the time or anything so

not really worried about how light it is but I do want a number pad

definately.  One that has long battery life as possable as well.

Thanks

 

On 11/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

> You don't need a powerful computer.  But you haven't said anything about

> things like if you want a lighter computer or a heavier one.  are you going

> to carry it around much or don't you plan to carry it enough so size and

> weight matter much.  Do you want a model with a numpad or don't you care

> about that?

> Gene

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Amy Gordon

> Sent: Friday, November 22, 2019 1:32 PM

> To: TechTalk

> Subject: [TechTalk] New Laptop

> Hi all I currently have a Dell laptop in which I have had trouble with

> ever since I bought it about 5 years ago.  It is getting worse so I

> know there will be sales coming soon.  I currently use Jaws on my

> computer and mostly use it for internet tasks like email, taking

> surveys, facebook etc.  Was wondering what suggestions you have for a

> new laptop as far as specs and best place to buy from?  Thanks

> Amy

>