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Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I do know that when Freedom Scientific acquired, I believe it was Blazie, whoever it was who bought Telesensory Systems, at first, they repaired Optacons, but soon, they discontinued that. A really good thing happened. There is a decent blind engineer in California who repairs, restores and sells refurbished Optacons and Optacon accessories. I believe there is another man in California who does too.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Aman Singer [mailto:aman.singer@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Hi Gerald and all,

Keep in mind, if you will, that FS has been owned by private equity firms for quite a while now. I know they were owned by Wafra for a few years, and think they were owned by another firm before that. I don't think this particular purchase will result in any significant changes, I'm not sure whether Jaws has hit bottom yet, but suspect it has, and am sure that Openbook has been left to wither. It may be that this is just because the capabilities of AT have matured to the point where the only work left to be done requires the cooperation of developers of mainstream software. That is, it may be that FS and other developers have simply touched the top of what they can do, at least where Speech is concerned. Obviously, the specialized notetaker is either dead or on life support, you can get a better speech notetaker for $300 or less on the mainstream market than a specialized manufacturer can produce for any amount of money. Anyone expecting this change of ownership to cause an improvement will probably be disappointed, and anyone who expects the purchase to cause a serious problem will probably be pleased.
Aman

On 11/19/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I was recently forced to upgrade from JAWS 9 to JAWS 16 because I
replaced my XP PC with a Windows 7 model. FS charged me $400 to
upgrade my SMA to JAWS 16, plus another $150 to upgrade my Open Book
SMA to OB 9. But now that FS is owned by a private equity firm, their future may be uncertain.
Private equity firms exist for only one purpose: to make lots and lots
of money for their managers. The ultimate goal of FS's new owners is
to dump it on somebody else for a fat profit. Does anyone really
believe that the managers of the private equity firm that now owns
both FS and Optelec care one iota about blind consumers? Of course
not. They are only interested in

lining their pockets. Who lives in all those luxury condos and co-ops
in New York City and San Francisco? Rich hedge fund and private
equity firm managers, of course. Certainly not blind consumers like
us who are forced to subsist on limited incomes, that's for sure.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:48 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Hi Ann:

I could not agree more! The last time I had Jaws, it was version 4.0!
Does
anyone remember that one? Now I am dating myself, yikes!

Why Jaws 4.0? Well, I was working for Adams Mark Hotel here in my
bush; their operating system was Windows NT--where have I been and what's that?
At that time, my preferred screen reader, Window-Eyes, won't SHAKE A
STICK at Windows NT and I needed a job.

Ok, now I want to upgrade Jaws today to Version 17xx, where my xx
equals latest version! Aha, here comes the BIG STICK! Got to pay for
a cumulative upgrade ... What a rip off indeed!

I'm learning to use Quickbooks. If I skip an upgrade in the morning
and wait till 2020, all I'll ever pay for is the newest upgrade
available in the year indicated.

Anyway, dear sis, don't blame Jaws or Freedom Scientific! The
Window-Eyes folks DO THE EXACT same thing. The only difference is
that, once upon a time, they'll let you pay for it in bits and pieces
until it's fully paid for. Furthermore, they don't PUSH UPGRADES that
fast. In all these years, they're just at 9.2 even with the so-called
merger, and it works with Windows10.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado









Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Carolyn Arnold
 

It was $480 for me to skip from 13 to 16, including 17 through 18 paid
for.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Harding [mailto:brent@hostany.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:12 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Wow! That doesn't seem so bad for skipping 7 versions. When I check mine
on the online site, it looks like $600 to go from 15 to 17 and then the
SMA. I think I need to convert down to the home license, now that pro
isn't needed any more for home usage of pro operating systems.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.



I was recently forced to upgrade from JAWS 9 to JAWS 16 because I
replaced
my XP PC with a Windows 7 model. FS charged me $400 to upgrade my SMA
to
JAWS 16, plus another $150 to upgrade my Open Book SMA to OB 9. But
now
that FS is owned by a private equity firm, their future may be
uncertain.
Private equity firms exist for only one purpose: to make lots and lots
of
money for their managers. The ultimate goal of FS's new owners is to
dump
it on somebody else for a fat profit. Does anyone really believe that
the
managers of the private equity firm that now owns both FS and Optelec
care
one iota about blind consumers? Of course not. They are only
interested
in lining their pockets. Who lives in all those luxury condos and
co-ops
in New York City and San Francisco? Rich hedge fund and private equity
firm managers, of course. Certainly not blind consumers like us who
are
forced to subsist on limited incomes, that's for sure.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 11:48 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Hi Ann:

I could not agree more! The last time I had Jaws, it was version 4.0!
Does
anyone remember that one? Now I am dating myself, yikes!

Why Jaws 4.0? Well, I was working for Adams Mark Hotel here in my
bush;
their operating system was Windows NT--where have I been and what's
that?
At that time, my preferred screen reader, Window-Eyes, won't SHAKE A
STICK
at Windows NT and I needed a job.

Ok, now I want to upgrade Jaws today to Version 17xx, where my xx
equals
latest version! Aha, here comes the BIG STICK! Got to pay for a
cumulative
upgrade ... What a rip off indeed!

I'm learning to use Quickbooks. If I skip an upgrade in the morning
and
wait till 2020, all I'll ever pay for is the newest upgrade available
in
the
year indicated.

Anyway, dear sis, don't blame Jaws or Freedom Scientific! The
Window-Eyes
folks DO THE EXACT same thing. The only difference is that, once upon
a
time, they'll let you pay for it in bits and pieces until it's fully
paid
for. Furthermore, they don't PUSH UPGRADES that fast. In all these
years,
they're just at 9.2 even with the so-called merger, and it works with
Windows10.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado









Re: FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Gerald Levy
 

Well, if the Chinese made screen readers, they would probably speak with a Chinese accent, like the talking clocks, talking scales and other talking products they make. ESpeak's Australian accent is bad enough, but could you imagine a screen reader with a Chinese accent?

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 1:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Maybe, if they built screen readers in China, they'd be cheaper. I just
bought several headsets with mikes for $1.99 - work with phone with
computer with talking book.

Bye for now,

Carolyn


-----Original Message-----
From: Armando Vias [mailto:armando.l.vias@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Hi. I really like NvAccess. They have a fre screen reader. You can
update the screen reader to the latest version for free. On the other
hand, why does FreedomScientific make blind people to pay thousands of
dollars on JAWS? It is so high and so expensive.
I still like Freedom Scientific, but I wish JAWS was free.

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Re: Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified

Carlos
 

The paid version offers real-time protection.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Onwardbob" <onwardbob@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified


Hi, using the free version is there any reason to update?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility
verified

As I said, it is the latest version which is 2.2.0.1024. And of course I
was able to remove detected threats using both JAWS and NVDA. I wouldn't
have bothered to post that I had verified it's accessibility otherwise.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility
verified


Which version of Malware Bytes are you talking about? And although
the scan results may be accessible, what about removing and quarantining
detected threats? Have you been able to remove detected threats using JAWS?


Gerald



From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility
verified

For the last couple of versions, I have been hearing conflicting
reports about whether Malwarebytes was once again accessible. A couple of
versions ago they finally got around to adding accessibility to their new QT
based interface, but the initial results were not satisfactory.
Specifically, you still could not review the list of results after a scan.
I finally got around to trying it myself today and the latest version is
definitely an improvement. While certain aspects of navigating the
interface are a bit unusual like having to use the Left/Right Arrow keys to
switch radio buttons, most functions including reviewing the list of
results, are now keyboard accessible.





Re: FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Carolyn Arnold
 

Exactly, Gene.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@ripco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:33 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Screen-readers you pay for are expensive because the customer base is so
small. If it were a large customer base, they would cost what you would
expect complex programs to sell for in the general market. As far as
NVDA goes, NVDA gets grants from various companies and donations from
users. But one of the main reasons NVDA is free is because the main
developer doesn't pay himself anywhere near what he would earn if he
worked for an employer. I've seen it stated on the NVDA users' list that
he pays himself somewhere around minimum wage. So one way or another,
the price is high. It's just that when it comes to NVDA, you don't see
the price. But those who work on NVDA for pay and those who do so as
volunteers pay the price one way or another, in low wages or in donating
time. People love to castigate companies that charge for such products.
It doesn't seem to bother them that NVDA is free because people pay the
price voluntarily. That's there choice but it shouldn't be the case, as
a matter of principle, that the people who work for pay on NVDA are paid
so little.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Armando Vias <mailto:armando.l.vias@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Hi. I really like NvAccess. They have a fre screen reader. You can
update the screen reader to the latest version for free. On the other
hand, why does FreedomScientific make blind people to pay thousands of
dollars on JAWS? It is so high and so expensive.
I still like Freedom Scientific, but I wish JAWS was free.

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Re: FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Carolyn Arnold
 

Maybe, if they built screen readers in China, they'd be cheaper. I just
bought several headsets with mikes for $1.99 - work with phone with
computer with talking book.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Armando Vias [mailto:armando.l.vias@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Hi. I really like NvAccess. They have a fre screen reader. You can
update the screen reader to the latest version for free. On the other
hand, why does FreedomScientific make blind people to pay thousands of
dollars on JAWS? It is so high and so expensive.
I still like Freedom Scientific, but I wish JAWS was free.

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Audible Battery Tester

Gerald Levy
 

 
Sorry about going off-topic in my last message, so let’s get back to technology.  Does anyone know where I can purchase an inexpensive, audible battery tester?  I purchased one from Independent Living Aids years ago that was actually made by Radio Shack, but it no longer beeps to indicate relative battery strength, and so I need a new one.  I checked the ILA, Maxi-Aids and Radio Shack web sites, but none of them seem to offer battery testers of any kind anymore, audible or otherwise.  I suspect that Radio Shack discontinued the manufacture of battery testers and other electronic accessories after it filed for bankruptcy earlier this year which may explain why they are no longer available from the blind-products merchants.  Thanks for any suggestions.
 
Gerald
 
 


Re: Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified

Onwardbob
 

Hi, using the free version is there any reason to update?

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility
verified

As I said, it is the latest version which is 2.2.0.1024. And of course I
was able to remove detected threats using both JAWS and NVDA. I wouldn't
have bothered to post that I had verified it's accessibility otherwise.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy <mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility
verified


Which version of Malware Bytes are you talking about? And although
the scan results may be accessible, what about removing and quarantining
detected threats? Have you been able to remove detected threats using JAWS?


Gerald



From: Carlos <mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:37 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility
verified

For the last couple of versions, I have been hearing conflicting
reports about whether Malwarebytes was once again accessible. A couple of
versions ago they finally got around to adding accessibility to their new QT
based interface, but the initial results were not satisfactory.
Specifically, you still could not review the list of results after a scan.
I finally got around to trying it myself today and the latest version is
definitely an improvement. While certain aspects of navigating the
interface are a bit unusual like having to use the Left/Right Arrow keys to
switch radio buttons, most functions including reviewing the list of
results, are now keyboard accessible.


Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Gerald Levy
 

Keep in mind that the default ESpeak voice has an Australian accent, which may sound strange or even incomprehensible to many Americans, but sounds perfectly natural to the developers of NVDA, who, after all, happen to be Austrailian.

erald

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:34 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

I agree about the ESpeak voice. Until I get another voice, I won't use it,
but as far as NVDA itself, I like the program, just not that horrible voice.
Before I can understand it, I hve to slow NVDA to a crawl--gets on my last
nerve and some I didn't know I had.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:26 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

Yes, I heard it once. My brother-in-law downloaded NVDA, and showed it to
me, and I thought "This is worse than any synthesized voice I ever heard,
even the ones that came with old programs like Artic! Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 7:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

Hi all,

I sure wouldn't "like" NVDA unless I could change the Espeak voice that
comes with it. It's horrible, dreadful, and really takes away from the
initial impression of the screen reader. If she doesn't know how to
get a different voice for it, then she would sure as heck dump it. It
might be worth asking the lady why she doesn't like NVDA. That
horrendous espeak voice would be my first guess. Now, me, I went and
got a different voice and I like it. It's David I think, I disremember
whose it is, but it's workable. That Espeak excuse for a screen reader
voice would start me running the other way if I thought there was no
other choice. Yuck! Sorry, Joseph Lee, but you have to admit that
Espeak voice is the pits!

Ann P.

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Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Gerald Levy
 

Wow!!! Can you just imagine Donald Trump buying Freedom Scientific or GW Micro? He would probably fire everyone and turn the company into a developer of slot-machine software for his casinos. But then again, maybe he would be compassionate enough to develop voice-output slot machines so that we blind gamblers could enjoy the casino experience. LOL!!!

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:20 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Donald Trump has money enough to buy it. And that's all I will say about
that before I get scolded. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:01 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.


Not necessarily. The presidency may well continue in the hands of the
Democrats as long as the Republicans remain in disarray without a viable
candidate with political experience. Does anyone seriously believe that
Donald Trump or Ben Carson, who have never held political office can win the
presidency?Probably not. No president who has lacked political experience
has ever been elected in modern times. So as long as gridlock in Washington
continues, as it will with a Democratic president and a Republican Congress,
rehab funding is not likely to be curtailed much. And so FS will continue
to dominate the commercial screen reader market with its lucrative contracts
and charge whatever they can get away with.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Hello Group,

One can hope for all these things, but what usually happens when
companies get bigger in a relatively small market is that things become
more monopolistic and prices stay the same or rise.

As far as the rehabilitation market, I am wondering if this obsession
with the big producers of accessibility products might change. With the
results of the 2017 elections almost certain to produce a change in
Washington, aid to such rehabilitation agencies at the state and local
level is almost sure to be severely cut or disappear all together. If
this happens, who at the state level will have money to be spent?

On 11/19/2015 7:18 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Now, what kind of statement is that? Bad for accessibility? Why? What leads you to believe that merging with Optelec is going to affect the accessibility of Jaws or any other of FS' products? Why don't you read about Optelec before making such an unfounded statement? Optelec is one of the most respected makers of Braille displays in the world, they're second only to Baum. they also make stuff for VI folks, magnifiers and that kind of thing.

What I'm hoping for is a less restricted and less usurous sales and upgrade policy. What I'm hoping for is a more balanced business model. What I'm hoping for is a halfway reasonable attitude toward individual consumers and a lessening of pandering to rehab market share. Am I dreaming? Perhaps I am. But one can always dream, right?

Ann P.


Original message:
I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this
yesterday. I hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.
Victor


Re: Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified

Carlos
 

Sigh. The link was broken by a line feed. I'll try again below.
https://store.malwarebytes.org/342/purl-consumer?x-source=website

----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos" <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified


You have to click on the
"Buy Premium"
link on the main page which will take you here.
https://store.malwarebytes.org/342/purl-consumer?x-source=websit e
Fill out the form to purchase your subscription. If you have any further problems, you will have to be more specific before we can help.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Koppelmann" <billmeister@samobile.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified


Hi Carlos,
I'm having a problem with malware bites, it wants me to pay for a subscription, but when I go to their site in order to do so, I can't figure out how to navigate through the site and don't know what to do. can you be of help to me here as to how I should proceed?
thanks,
Bill K.




Re: Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified

Carlos
 

You have to click on the
"Buy Premium"
link on the main page which will take you here.
https://store.malwarebytes.org/342/purl-consumer?x-source=websit e
Fill out the form to purchase your subscription. If you have any further problems, you will have to be more specific before we can help.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Koppelmann" <billmeister@samobile.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:45 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified


Hi Carlos,
I'm having a problem with malware bites, it wants me to pay for a subscription, but when I go to their site in order to do so, I can't figure out how to navigate through the site and don't know what to do. can you be of help to me here as to how I should proceed?
thanks,
Bill K.


Latest version of Malwarebytes accessibility verified

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Carlos,
I'm having a problem with malware bites, it wants me to pay for a subscription, but when I go to their site in order to do so, I can't figure out how to navigate through the site and don't know what to do. can you be of help to me here as to how I should proceed?
thanks,
Bill K.


Re: FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Pamela Dominguez
 

How do you get office for that low price? Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:54 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Jaws will never be free, but I wish they had an option to purchase it like
AISquared has for WindowEyes. If you get Microsoft Office, you can get
WindowEyes free that way. You can get Office for as little as nine dollars.
I like all the screen readers. They all bring something to the table.


-----Original Message-----
From: Armando Vias
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] FreedomScientific Vs. NvAccess

Hi. I really like NvAccess. They have a fre screen reader. You
can update the screen reader to the latest version for free. On
the other hand, why does FreedomScientific make blind people to
pay thousands of dollars on JAWS? It is so high and so expensive.
I still like Freedom Scientific, but I wish JAWS was free.

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Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Carlos
 

Hello ladies and gentlemen,
Let's drop the business/politics related discussion and get back to technology. Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <geodom@optonline.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.


Donald Trump has money enough to buy it. And that's all I will say about that before I get scolded. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:01 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.


Not necessarily. The presidency may well continue in the hands of the
Democrats as long as the Republicans remain in disarray without a viable
candidate with political experience. Does anyone seriously believe that
Donald Trump or Ben Carson, who have never held political office can win the
presidency?Probably not. No president who has lacked political experience
has ever been elected in modern times. So as long as gridlock in Washington
continues, as it will with a Democratic president and a Republican Congress,
rehab funding is not likely to be curtailed much. And so FS will continue
to dominate the commercial screen reader market with its lucrative contracts
and charge whatever they can get away with.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Hello Group,

One can hope for all these things, but what usually happens when
companies get bigger in a relatively small market is that things become
more monopolistic and prices stay the same or rise.

As far as the rehabilitation market, I am wondering if this obsession
with the big producers of accessibility products might change. With the
results of the 2017 elections almost certain to produce a change in
Washington, aid to such rehabilitation agencies at the state and local
level is almost sure to be severely cut or disappear all together. If
this happens, who at the state level will have money to be spent?

On 11/19/2015 7:18 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Now, what kind of statement is that? Bad for accessibility? Why? What leads you to believe that merging with Optelec is going to affect the accessibility of Jaws or any other of FS' products? Why don't you read about Optelec before making such an unfounded statement? Optelec is one of the most respected makers of Braille displays in the world, they're second only to Baum. they also make stuff for VI folks, magnifiers and that kind of thing.

What I'm hoping for is a less restricted and less usurous sales and upgrade policy. What I'm hoping for is a more balanced business model. What I'm hoping for is a halfway reasonable attitude toward individual consumers and a lessening of pandering to rehab market share. Am I dreaming? Perhaps I am. But one can always dream, right?

Ann P.


Original message:
I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this
yesterday. I hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.
Victor








Re: Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Pamela Dominguez
 

Donald Trump has money enough to buy it. And that's all I will say about that before I get scolded. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 10:01 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.


Not necessarily. The presidency may well continue in the hands of the
Democrats as long as the Republicans remain in disarray without a viable
candidate with political experience. Does anyone seriously believe that
Donald Trump or Ben Carson, who have never held political office can win the
presidency?Probably not. No president who has lacked political experience
has ever been elected in modern times. So as long as gridlock in Washington
continues, as it will with a Democratic president and a Republican Congress,
rehab funding is not likely to be curtailed much. And so FS will continue
to dominate the commercial screen reader market with its lucrative contracts
and charge whatever they can get away with.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 9:09 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Freedom Scientific is being bought out.

Hello Group,

One can hope for all these things, but what usually happens when
companies get bigger in a relatively small market is that things become
more monopolistic and prices stay the same or rise.

As far as the rehabilitation market, I am wondering if this obsession
with the big producers of accessibility products might change. With the
results of the 2017 elections almost certain to produce a change in
Washington, aid to such rehabilitation agencies at the state and local
level is almost sure to be severely cut or disappear all together. If
this happens, who at the state level will have money to be spent?

On 11/19/2015 7:18 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Now, what kind of statement is that? Bad for accessibility? Why? What leads you to believe that merging with Optelec is going to affect the accessibility of Jaws or any other of FS' products? Why don't you read about Optelec before making such an unfounded statement? Optelec is one of the most respected makers of Braille displays in the world, they're second only to Baum. they also make stuff for VI folks, magnifiers and that kind of thing.

What I'm hoping for is a less restricted and less usurous sales and upgrade policy. What I'm hoping for is a more balanced business model. What I'm hoping for is a halfway reasonable attitude toward individual consumers and a lessening of pandering to rehab market share. Am I dreaming? Perhaps I am. But one can always dream, right?

Ann P.


Original message:
I get Freedom Scientific's newsletters and I read about this
yesterday. I hope this doesn't mean bad news for accessibility.
Victor


Re: buying music from apple thru iTunes

rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Renaming to m4A will have the same effect as converting, though.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Monica Jones" <coffeegal57@att.net
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date sent: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:56:52 -0600
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] buying music from apple thru iTunes

You can buy your music as .mp3 and they should play just fine in other players. If you get them as .m4R, you might have to convert.I think I gave that format right. By sinking, you can put them from your phone or computer or back and forth.


From: Matt
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 4:52 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] buying music from apple thru iTunes

Well, never have bought music before thru iTunes on the computer or my phone. So the question is if I buy it on the iPhone and transfer it to the computer I assume I can do that since it is something I bought? The other question is when I buy something on the phone like music I assume it will go into the music player on my phone? I also assume my music will be backed up to the cloud I assume ? I also assume you only can play this on IOS or Mac or whatever that has iTunes on it only? Another words you say could not put it on some other MP3 player or computer ? I assume you could burn a disk as well that would play in any CD player?

I am new at buying this music stuff I usually just stream my music. Thanks for any input.





Matt.from.florida@gmail.com






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Facebook, Monica Rose Jones


Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Carlos
 


True enough, but those breaks should occur at a time of your own choosing.  They shouldn't be imposed by an avoidable restriction.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

You are right about 40 minutes not being long. Sometimes you just get started and the time has gone. But, yes, one does need breaks at least 90 minutes apart. Because of my back, hips, and other problems, I have to break hourly, many times more often. I have many chronic pain issues, but even if you don’t things can develop if one doesn’t break.
 
 
From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
 
40 minutes is not very long at all, especially when you are just learning how to use a new version of Windows and new software.  And to me it is common sense that you should learn to work with what you have instead of using something else which will only delay having to learn how to use it eventually anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
 

Don’t think so 40 minutes is a long time. If you are trying to learn you need to take a break once a hour and stretch and so on any how . Get your mind relaxed and come back fresh! But like I say if she cannot get help for some reason with We and she is not going to use NVDA then all she has is a screen reader and computer that has become a brick! Use what works till you can do better! Not saying using jaws forever like this just saying do it till you can do better! To me this just makes common sense!

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I agree.  And having to reboot every 40 minutes is not only inconvenient, but it might also discourage someone who is just beginning to learn how to use a new version of Windows.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It isn't reinventing the wheel.  You have to learn something about the new screen-reader but, until you get to advanced computer work, much of what you need to learn is Windows.  You need to learn something about the screen-reader but if you know Windows, you can do a lot without knowing a lot about whatever screen-reader you use.  Using a demo just to avoid learning something about a different screen-reader makes no sense.  Paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade JAWS just to avoid learning something about a new screen-reader makes no sense. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

well, she is use to jaws that is what she used before I don't understand re-inventing the wheel. I was her I would go back to jaws even if it was the demo of it.


Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin.christensen@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20 AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).

http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
22 Point

Web: http://www.22point.com.au
Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app, RapiTap!

On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
> uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
> nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
> any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
> Thanks
>
> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>
>>
>>
>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to
>> get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for
>> advice and/or instructions.
>>
>> Monni, the coffee gal
>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>
>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> .
>







Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones


Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Monica Jones
 

You are right about 40 minutes not being long. Sometimes you just get started and the time has gone. But, yes, one does need breaks at least 90 minutes apart. Because of my back, hips, and other problems, I have to break hourly, many times more often. I have many chronic pain issues, but even if you don’t things can develop if one doesn’t break.
 
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
 
40 minutes is not very long at all, especially when you are just learning how to use a new version of Windows and new software.  And to me it is common sense that you should learn to work with what you have instead of using something else which will only delay having to learn how to use it eventually anyway.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
 

Don’t think so 40 minutes is a long time. If you are trying to learn you need to take a break once a hour and stretch and so on any how . Get your mind relaxed and come back fresh! But like I say if she cannot get help for some reason with We and she is not going to use NVDA then all she has is a screen reader and computer that has become a brick! Use what works till you can do better! Not saying using jaws forever like this just saying do it till you can do better! To me this just makes common sense!

 

 

 

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I agree.  And having to reboot every 40 minutes is not only inconvenient, but it might also discourage someone who is just beginning to learn how to use a new version of Windows.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 4:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

It isn't reinventing the wheel.  You have to learn something about the new screen-reader but, until you get to advanced computer work, much of what you need to learn is Windows.  You need to learn something about the screen-reader but if you know Windows, you can do a lot without knowing a lot about whatever screen-reader you use.  Using a demo just to avoid learning something about a different screen-reader makes no sense.  Paying hundreds of dollars to upgrade JAWS just to avoid learning something about a new screen-reader makes no sense. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:37 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

well, she is use to jaws that is what she used before I don't understand re-inventing the wheel. I was her I would go back to jaws even if it was the demo of it.


Matt.from.florida@...


-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin.christensen@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

My book works with Window Eyes.  It includes the Windows keystrokes for everything it covers.  It doesn't include Window Eyes specific instruction so would work best if she is a little familiar with Window eyes previously but it would certainly help and is only $20 AUD (which works out to about $14 US I think currently).

http://www.22point.com.au/publications.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

--
22 Point

Web: http://www.22point.com.au
Check out our "Making Windows 10 Easy" eBooks and award winning app, RapiTap!

On 18/11/2015 10:50 PM, Amy Gordon wrote:
> I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
> uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
> nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
> any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
> Thanks
>
> On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
>> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual
>> boot you will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS
>> installer but just in case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
>> To: TechTalk@groups.io
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>>
>>
>>
>> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
>> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see
>> an option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to
>> get some kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for
>> advice and/or instructions.
>>
>> Monni, the coffee gal
>> Twitter, @Monni52
>>
>> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> .
>







Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones


Re: Windows Ten Confusion

Monica Jones
 

Yes, Matt, that’s for sure. I don’t mind paying for anything good, but I don’t always have the funds to do it after my food and bills have been paid. I don’t have lots of going-out money either. I’m trying to save for materials and stuff I want and need; it’s a slow process but it pays off. It doesn’t have to be instant gratification.
 
 

From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
 

Hmm, my blind Services here in Florida was just great! They even hire and mostly hire Blind people to teach. But yes nothing wrong with paying something reasonable but you have to realize most don’t have a job and the only income is something like SSI that is usually way below 1000 bucks a month to live on! So paying too much is not an option ! the first thing that comes is household things like : rent, or house payment, then lights and water and electricity and then trash and then some kind of phone and then your healthcare and food and so on . then things like internet service and so on . So there is not a lot you can do with usually way less than 1000 bucks unless you are staying with a parent that is footing the bill.

 

 

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 2:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

My impression is that training quality varies widely from state to state and from agency to agency.  High quality material, prepared well and distributed by a small business is worth the price.  People may not be able to afford or they may not want to pay it.  But it is a resource worth knowing about. 

 

I have no objection to free resources but I wouldn't assume that state agencies will provide the quality of training you can get from Access Technology Institute.  I expect that Hadley has good material as well and it's free.  If it were me and I wanted free material, Hadley would be one of the first places I would investigate.  If the person already knows Windows and knows something about Window-eyes, then podcasts done by blind people demonstrating Windows 10 may be all or mostly all that is needed.  I'll leave it to others to discuss such podcasts and where they can be found. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

70 or 80 bucks for a book! To learn a screen reader and a OS! When there is lots of free help from list and all kind of resources.

This is the kind of thing the Blind services does. Here in Florida they the blind services has a branch that is part of them that does nothing but train people on computers and devices and brail and so on.  You don’t have to have a job! Or even be looking for one! The service is free. They also buy equipment for you if you are going to school or in a job and need help with it.

I sure there is other people on this list that would be willing to help for free! At least the basic stuff.

How far away are you from her? Are you near enough to go over and help her out?

I would really check out the blind services in her state! That is if she lives in the USA?

I don’t use windows eyes as my main screen reader. But use it enough to get around. Just started using W10 myself. It is a little bit of a learning curve.

How old of a person is this? How long has she been blind?

Has she thought about using the Demo of jaws? Or even buying the trial version which is a complete full version and you buy it for say something like three months or month. If she likes it they have a payment plan now FS does for you to get it.

She might also like NVDA better than WE has she tried it out?

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 1:37 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

If your friend is a member of Bookshare.org, then there are books that can probably help them there. It was a good resource for me when I was first learning iOS and Windows 7. I’ll most likely grab a book or two for whenever I have the need to use a Win 10 machine.

 

From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:27 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

Does your friend want only free material or is she interested in paying?  Good material can be found at the Access Technology Institute site

It's somewhat expensive, however.  I think the book on Windows 10 and Window-eyes is about seventy or eighty U.S. dollars.

 

One place to look for free material is the Hadley School.  I don't know specifically what they have but it's a good place to check.

 

Gene

From: Amy Gordon

Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:50 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion

 

I have a friend who boughy a desktop computer with windows 10 and she
uses window eyes the free version with outlook express but she knows
nothing about windows 10 and hasn't ever used window eyes. Is there
any books on recording or someone that could help her learn this?
Thanks

On 11/18/15, Matt <matt.from.florida@...> wrote:
> You can do this if you are not doing a dual boot but if doing dual boot you
> will need sited help. You can use Carlos talking OS installer but just in
> case there you might still want to have sited help just in case.
>
>
>
>
>
>  <mailto:Matt.from.florida@...> Matt.from.florida@...
>
>
>
> From: Monica Jones [mailto:coffeegal57@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:40 PM
> To: TechTalk@groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Windows Ten Confusion
>
>
>
> Since everyone seems to be upgrading to Windows Ten without sighted
> assistance, I thought I might bite the bullet and try it too. I see an
> option in my sys tray that says upgrade, but I’ve had some say to get some
> kind of tool from Microsoft in order to do it. Thanks for advice and/or
> instructions.
>
> Monni, the coffee gal
> Twitter, @Monni52
>
> Facebook, Monica Rose Jones
>
>
>
>

Monni, the coffee gal
Twitter, @Monni52

Facebook, Monica Rose Jones

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