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locked Re: A Letter From Carlos To All!

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
Janet writes:
"Robin, you say, Further he
wasn't one to speak of his personal views on things spiritual, how do you know that, you don't."
Please refrain from telling others what they may or may not know. It isn't factual, fair, accurate or necessary. You don't have knowledge of what others may or may not know anymore that others have knowledge of what you do or do not know.
What I was addressing was that Carlos did not enter into discussions of matters of faith or political persuasion on lists publicly ever as I recall. Further just as others wouldn't have knowledge of any personal correspondents you may have shared with him nor would you have knowledge of that which was exchanged between myself and Carlos.
As I said I was merely indicating that never during his time as owner and moderator of this list or a participant on other lists that wasn't the focus of that which he wished to share.
I don't know who did or did not write that poem all I know is the way it was presented here made it seem as though its words and meaning were attributed to Carlos. And I think that is what gave so many pause.
In closing I will once again express gratitude to Carlos for his friendship and his presence on this and many other lists. May he rest in peace and may his memory always be a blessing.
Robin

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 8:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

Hello Robin,
I sure hope you don't mean I actually wrote something this beautiful, but if you are, you are giving me way too much credit. Robin, you say, Further he wasn't one to speak of his personal views on things spiritual, how do you know that, you don't. You also say how would his family feel about seeing something in Carlos's name, once again, this poem was written to mean it was coming from a person who is deceased not a person who is living, and I would think Carlos's family would love to see this. The whole point to this poem is to give hope to living people that their love ones are happy and resting Peacefully, so what is wrong with that, nothing is wrong with that. That is why poems like this are written.
Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robin Frost
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

Hi,
I appreciated the sentiment and am in awe of anyone who can write structured
verse poetry. It's a talent I always wish I had. Still I couldn't help but
wonder how his family and loved ones would feel reading something penned in
his name. Further he wasn't one to speak of his personal views on things
spiritual on lists his own or others which is why it took me aback a bit to
read something of this nature ascribed to him.
I mean no disrespect or to detract still it does cause me some concern for
the reasons stated above.
Take good care.
Robin


-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

Hi All,
Well here it is Christmas once again, and Carlos just sent this so I could
share it with you all. I copied and pasted it below.
Janet

Hi To All!
I see the countless Christmas Trees around the world below,
with tiny lights, like heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away that tear,
for I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.
I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
but the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring,
for it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
I know how much you miss me. I see the pain inside your heart,
but I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
So be happy for me dear ones. You all know I hold you dear,
and be glad I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
I send you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
I send you each a memory of, of my undying love.
After all "Love" is the gift, more precious than pure gold.
It was always most import in the stories Jesus told.
Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
for I can't count the blessing or love he has for each of you.
So, have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
Remember, I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.

Carlos!

Peace Be With You.


Re: using Malwarebytes?

heather albright
 

Ah, I am using the free version now as my trial exspired . I cant get them them to e-mail me back perhaps because I am not using a paid version! Cheers Heather s

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 

From: Brian Zolo
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] using Malwarebytes?

 

Hey there, heather, I’m glad I’m not the only one who is frustrated with Malwarebytes 4.0.  I’ve strongly considered going back to the older version with respect to accessibility.  Brian Zolo 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:33 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] using Malwarebytes?

 

Does anyone have a written tutorial for Malwarebytes? It seems to have lost the screenreader useability that 3.0 had or, I am not using the program right! I have jaws20 orNVDA latest! Thanks, Cheers Heather

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 

 


Re: using Malwarebytes?

Brian Zolo <bzolo@...>
 

Hey there, heather, I’m glad I’m not the only one who is frustrated with Malwarebytes 4.0.  I’ve strongly considered going back to the older version with respect to accessibility.  Brian Zolo 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 9:33 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] using Malwarebytes?

 

Does anyone have a written tutorial for Malwarebytes? It seems to have lost the screenreader useability that 3.0 had or, I am not using the program right! I have jaws20 orNVDA latest! Thanks, Cheers Heather

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 


using Malwarebytes?

heather albright
 

Does anyone have a written tutorial for Malwarebytes? It seems to have lost the screenreader useability that 3.0 had or, I am not using the program right! I have jaws20 orNVDA latest! Thanks, Cheers Heather

 

"Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap!" Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
e-mail:
kd5cbl@...
sites:
National Federation of The Blind:
www.nfb.org
An Accessible Online Library:
www.bookshare.org

 


locked Re: A Letter From Carlos To All!

DJ
 

thank you so very much. I for one am discusted. 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 7:37 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
While the thread is still receiving a message now and then, it appears to me that it is just about ready to stop.  Because it may cause ill feeling on the list, if I still see enough activity to amount to anything in the next few hours, I’ll lock the thread. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
 
I’d rather let the discussion continue if it doesn’t take over the list rather than censor what is said about Carlos.  As an individual and not speakihng as the owner. I agree that things representing Carlos as having or believing certain views shouldn’t be sent because we don’t know what he thought about such things.  We know the kind of person he was and how he lived and that he helped people in valuable ways and that is worth commemorating.  If someone says something like I believe he is in heaven, or something of the sort, that’s the person’s belief, which is fine, but putting beliefs in
Carlos’ mouth, as though he believed them is without foundation.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
 
Hi Pat,
 
Since I'm the one that usually initiates the emails for the birthdays & the passing of Carlos to keep his memory alive, are you asking / suggesting that all posts' regarding Carlos are stopped?!  You said,
 
" we need to Honor him and let him truly (Rest in Peace)."
 
Are you just referring to the Xmas post / prayer?  Anyways, if list members would like for all posts' about Carlos be stopped, then maybe this is something the list owner / moderators should take a poll on.  Personally, I've never met anyone as computer savvy that could explain things in lamens terms as well as carlos, and I just don't see anything wrong with giving him his coodos at times.  Thoughts please list owner & moderators?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.  "Eyden I"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Seed
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
 
Hi Everyone,
I too, Definitely appreciate the sentiment in what was sent. However, I do
not believe that we should write anything in Carlos name, as if he had
written it.

Carlos was a Very Kind person, so Very Gifted in computer knowledge and
know-how, and helped so many of us. This is evidenced by how we are still
passing around is so Very Helpful information. All of it is Definitely
Carlos' gift to us, and I know that all of us Treasure that information.

We also Treasure our many memories of and with him, which will forever be in
our hearts.

I have to say something about the author of the letter. I am not sure who
wrote the original letter way back when. However, I do know that this same
letter was sent to me after my Mom passed away on December 19th of 2011. I
can tell you that it really helped me through Christmas that year.

There is only one other thing that I would like to say. Because we Treasure
Carlos So Much, as a person and as a helper, we need to Honor him and let
him truly (Rest in Peace).

Take care, Everyone, and let us, as I will,  keep remembering Carlos with
Joy.

Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Frost" <robini71@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!


> Hi,
> I appreciated the sentiment and am in awe of anyone who can write
> structured verse poetry. It's a talent I always wish I had. Still I
> couldn't help but wonder how his family and loved ones would feel reading
> something penned in his name. Further he wasn't one to speak of his
> personal views on things spiritual on lists his own or others which is why
> it took me aback a bit to read something of this nature ascribed to him.
> I mean no disrespect or to detract still it does cause me some concern for
> the reasons stated above.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet
> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:32 PM
> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
> Subject: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
>
> Hi All,
> Well here it is Christmas once again, and Carlos just sent this so I could
> share it with you all.  I copied and pasted it below.
> Janet
>
> Hi To All!
> I see the countless Christmas Trees around the world below,
> with tiny lights, like heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
> The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away that tear,
> for I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.
> I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
> but the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
> I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring,
> for it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
> I know how much you miss me. I see the pain inside your heart,
> but I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
> So be happy for me dear ones. You all know I hold you dear,
> and be glad I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
> I send you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
> I send you each a memory of, of my undying love.
> After all "Love" is the gift, more precious than pure gold.
> It was always most import in the stories Jesus told.
> Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
> for I can't count the blessing or love he has for each of you.
> So, have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
> Remember, I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
>
> Carlos!
>
> Peace Be With You.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




locked Re: A Letter From Carlos To All!

Gene
 

While the thread is still receiving a message now and then, it appears to me that it is just about ready to stop.  Because it may cause ill feeling on the list, if I still see enough activity to amount to anything in the next few hours, I’ll lock the thread. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
 
I’d rather let the discussion continue if it doesn’t take over the list rather than censor what is said about Carlos.  As an individual and not speakihng as the owner. I agree that things representing Carlos as having or believing certain views shouldn’t be sent because we don’t know what he thought about such things.  We know the kind of person he was and how he lived and that he helped people in valuable ways and that is worth commemorating.  If someone says something like I believe he is in heaven, or something of the sort, that’s the person’s belief, which is fine, but putting beliefs in
Carlos’ mouth, as though he believed them is without foundation.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
 
Hi Pat,
 
Since I'm the one that usually initiates the emails for the birthdays & the passing of Carlos to keep his memory alive, are you asking / suggesting that all posts' regarding Carlos are stopped?!  You said,
 
" we need to Honor him and let him truly (Rest in Peace)."
 
Are you just referring to the Xmas post / prayer?  Anyways, if list members would like for all posts' about Carlos be stopped, then maybe this is something the list owner / moderators should take a poll on.  Personally, I've never met anyone as computer savvy that could explain things in lamens terms as well as carlos, and I just don't see anything wrong with giving him his coodos at times.  Thoughts please list owner & moderators?

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.  "Eyden I"
----- Original Message -----
From: Pat Seed
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
 
Hi Everyone,
I too, Definitely appreciate the sentiment in what was sent. However, I do
not believe that we should write anything in Carlos name, as if he had
written it.

Carlos was a Very Kind person, so Very Gifted in computer knowledge and
know-how, and helped so many of us. This is evidenced by how we are still
passing around is so Very Helpful information. All of it is Definitely
Carlos' gift to us, and I know that all of us Treasure that information.

We also Treasure our many memories of and with him, which will forever be in
our hearts.

I have to say something about the author of the letter. I am not sure who
wrote the original letter way back when. However, I do know that this same
letter was sent to me after my Mom passed away on December 19th of 2011. I
can tell you that it really helped me through Christmas that year.

There is only one other thing that I would like to say. Because we Treasure
Carlos So Much, as a person and as a helper, we need to Honor him and let
him truly (Rest in Peace).

Take care, Everyone, and let us, as I will,  keep remembering Carlos with
Joy.

Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Frost" <robini71@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!


> Hi,
> I appreciated the sentiment and am in awe of anyone who can write
> structured verse poetry. It's a talent I always wish I had. Still I
> couldn't help but wonder how his family and loved ones would feel reading
> something penned in his name. Further he wasn't one to speak of his
> personal views on things spiritual on lists his own or others which is why
> it took me aback a bit to read something of this nature ascribed to him.
> I mean no disrespect or to detract still it does cause me some concern for
> the reasons stated above.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet
> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:32 PM
> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
> Subject: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
>
> Hi All,
> Well here it is Christmas once again, and Carlos just sent this so I could
> share it with you all.  I copied and pasted it below.
> Janet
>
> Hi To All!
> I see the countless Christmas Trees around the world below,
> with tiny lights, like heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
> The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away that tear,
> for I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.
> I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
> but the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
> I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring,
> for it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
> I know how much you miss me. I see the pain inside your heart,
> but I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
> So be happy for me dear ones. You all know I hold you dear,
> and be glad I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
> I send you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
> I send you each a memory of, of my undying love.
> After all "Love" is the gift, more precious than pure gold.
> It was always most import in the stories Jesus told.
> Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
> for I can't count the blessing or love he has for each of you.
> So, have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
> Remember, I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
>
> Carlos!
>
> Peace Be With You.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Alcatel flip phone alarm setting

Gene
 

That doesn’t mean you might not have missed it.  On my phone, the slot doesn’t take up much room and its in a corner.  There is almost certainly such a slot somewhere.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
Nobody told me, but I looked all over the phone, and don’t seem to see a place.  A friend of mine got the store to take the battery out of her phone when she had to get the phone replaced.  But I didn’t know if they didn’t break the back, since the phone was already broken.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
I don’t know who told you you can’t remove the battery and thus I don’t know how reliable the information is.  I’m very skeptical.  Have someone look at the phone and see if there is a groove anhywhere, particularly at one of the corners designed to stick a fingernail in.  Don’t mistake the groove for something like a USB module designed to insert a USB plug in.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
You mean you can actually take the battery out of that one?  Mine, you can’t.  I discovered when mine freezes, I have to press the speed dial button to make it talk, then get out of speed dial, and it should land on the home screen and talk.  That’s not one hundred percent foolproof, but you can usually get it back if you either press that button, or the square one above the end button.  I know your model is later than mine, but I have been told it’s almost like mine.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
Thank you for the recommendation.  I'll consider it if the alarm on the phone isn't loud enough.  its pretty loud but I'm not sure if its loud enough to wake me reliably if II'm in a deep sleep.  At times, its hard to wake me when I don't get as much sleep as usual or if I want to be wakened after a few hours of sleep for some reason. 
 
As for the clock, the buttons are ones you can tell apart if you have a good or I would think average sense of touch but not if you have a deficiency in touch.  There are very small ridges separating them and the five, though marked, is marked with very small dots that I consider almost useless. 
 
I had the person in the store turn on the screen-reader and I'd have to look at the settings again to see how it is done.  I did so, but I don't recall the details now. 
 
But I'm not at all impressed with the phone.  Mne.  I can't say if this is a general problem, but it has frozen a number of times, necessitating me removing and reinserting the battery after a short interval. 
 
Important things don't read such as the contacts list.  There is a workaround but there is no excuse for such lack of ability.  You can search for a contact by typing as many letters of the name as you wish and then calling the person using the search result but the result isn't read.  You can assume it is correct if you type enough letters to distinguish the name but would any sighted person be satisfied with needing to do that and not seeing any information? 
 
The phone is generally useavle but I consider it inferior to the popular phone lots of blind people got from SamSung for years whose name I don't recall now.  My previous Samsung feature phone, similar to the one lots of blind people got,, I just remembered, it’s the Haven, (spelling) was much more accessible. 
 
I could see the contacts list, I could have the phone read the signal strength, and I could have it tell me the battery level without having to go through a number of settings to get to the information.  So, while a lot of the phone is accessible and it is mostly useable, it requires cumbersome work arounds that shouldn't be necessary to use contacts and the alarm.  There may be other such cases I haven't found yet. 
 
If there are no other feature phones available, then this phone might be one some or many people would want, but perhaps Laz or others know about other phones with better accessibility.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 

 

Aside from the alarm problem, how is the speech quality on this phone?  Is it easy to turn on the screen reader?  And are the buttons large and easy to distinguish by touch?  As for a loud alarm clock check out this small pocket-sized alarm clock that Speak to Me sells for about $19.  Besides having loud speech and alarm, it also has an optional vibrating alarm which can be set to go off alone or in conjuntion with one of the selected alarm sounds.  You can keep this clock in your pajama top pocket or under your pillow.  If you use it with the vibrating alarm, it will definitely wake you up:

 

http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

On 12/31/2019 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.  It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out, but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to a sighted person.
 
If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very loud alarm clock? 
 
Gene


Re: Alcatel flip phone

Gene
 

I haven’t found any such problems.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
I scanned the manual when I first got the 4044, but that was more than two years ago, so I don’t remember how much help I got out of it.  Another problem with the speech has to do with the fact that the people didn’t speak English as a first language.  If I make a call, and I press okay to initiate the call, instead of saying “call outgoing”, it will say “call incoming”.  At first, that freaked me out, because I thought I was getting a call at the same time I was trying to make one.  I hope they fixed things like that in your model.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
I didn't look at the manual much.  I don't think it will be very helpful in learning how to do things.  For example, when you open settings, you can see certain ones by using the up or down arrows.  You can see other items by using the left or right arrows.  The manual won't describe any of this because a sighted person, by looking at the screen, would see that some items are arranged up and down the screen and others from left to right. 
 
I don't know if anyone has done a tutorial for blind people regarding this phone.  I may do one if there isn't one or if it isn't good.  This is a product that you can't learn by reading the manual.  The manual may help you learn how to do things once you have a reasonable amount of information but not before.
 
In addition, some things happen that are specific to improper implementation of speech or for their not being some sort of sleep function for speech.
 
For example, I tried putting a song on the phone and playing it today.  The speech constantly interrupted the song by reading the elapsed time shown on the screen.  I experimented and evidently figured out how to cause the elapsed time indicator not to be shown and the file played well, but you would never see this discussed in the manual because it is specifically a problem caused by some sighted person or people implementing speech with no understanding or thought to how to cause it to not cause serious problems by properly automatically controlling what it reads or simply not having things read such as elapsed time indicators. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
Does someone have the accessible manual for this one that you could share?  Or could someone give me a few pointers?  I don't know how to get the speech turned on.  Once I get it talking, I might be able to figure out more of it.  Thanks.
Howard


On 12/31/2019 5:22 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Aside from the alarm problem, how is the speech quality on this phone?  Is it easy to turn on the screen reader?  And are the buttons large and easy to distinguish by touch?  As for a loud alarm clock check out this small pocket-sized alarm clock that Speak to Me sells for about $19.  Besides having loud speech and alarm, it also has an optional vibrating alarm which can be set to go off alone or in conjuntion with one of the selected alarm sounds.  You can keep this clock in your pajama top pocket or under your pillow.  If you use it with the vibrating alarm, it will definitely wake you up:

 

http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

On 12/31/2019 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.  It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out, but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to a sighted person.
 
If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very loud alarm clock? 
 
Gene


locked Re: A Letter From Carlos To All!

DJ
 

Oh for crying out loud! Just drop the subject already and allow the list to go back to normal functionality without all of this nonsense! It’s gone on long enough!



On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 6:35 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hello Marie,

No I did not create this pone, so, you are dead wrong when you accuse me of creating this beautiful pone!  I resent you for saying this, and I flat out refuse to discuss this matter with you any further!

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of M.E.N.
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

I have to agree with this. I did know and love Carlos as did many of us on the TechTalk list and the Chat sub group. He was an extremely knowledgeable computer user and probably the best list owner ever.  His death was a tragic event and touch many of us a great deal. So I actually resent anyone trying to create a "letter" from him.

To me, this is not a way to remember Carlos, even though I realize the best of intentions were behind this.

Marie

 

On 12/27/2019 7:42 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

My only gripe if you can call it that is the weird first person letter thing.

I don’t even recall if Carlos was the religious type so I don’t know if even penning something in his name with this theme is appropriate, but again, the whole thing just seemed weird and off. There are a myriad of ways to honor/remember someone without going all ghost of Christmas past or something. Especially if we’re not sure if that person was into Christmas to begin with.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 10:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

Hi Pat,

 

Since I'm the one that usually initiates the emails for the birthdays & the passing of Carlos to keep his memory alive, are you asking / suggesting that all posts' regarding Carlos are stopped?!  You said,

 

" we need to Honor him and let him truly (Rest in Peace)."

 

Are you just referring to the Xmas post / prayer?  Anyways, if list members would like for all posts' about Carlos be stopped, then maybe this is something the list owner / moderators should take a poll on.  Personally, I've never met anyone as computer savvy that could explain things in lamens terms as well as carlos, and I just don't see anything wrong with giving him his coodos at times.  Thoughts please list owner & moderators?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.  "Eyden I"

----- Original Message -----

From: Pat Seed

Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

Hi Everyone,
I too, Definitely appreciate the sentiment in what was sent. However, I do
not believe that we should write anything in Carlos name, as if he had
written it.

Carlos was a Very Kind person, so Very Gifted in computer knowledge and
know-how, and helped so many of us. This is evidenced by how we are still
passing around is so Very Helpful information. All of it is Definitely
Carlos' gift to us, and I know that all of us Treasure that information.

We also Treasure our many memories of and with him, which will forever be in
our hearts.

I have to say something about the author of the letter. I am not sure who
wrote the original letter way back when. However, I do know that this same
letter was sent to me after my Mom passed away on December 19th of 2011. I
can tell you that it really helped me through Christmas that year.

There is only one other thing that I would like to say. Because we Treasure
Carlos So Much, as a person and as a helper, we need to Honor him and let
him truly (Rest in Peace).

Take care, Everyone, and let us, as I will,  keep remembering Carlos with
Joy.

Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Frost" <robini71@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!


> Hi,
> I appreciated the sentiment and am in awe of anyone who can write
> structured verse poetry. It's a talent I always wish I had. Still I
> couldn't help but wonder how his family and loved ones would feel reading
> something penned in his name. Further he wasn't one to speak of his
> personal views on things spiritual on lists his own or others which is why
> it took me aback a bit to read something of this nature ascribed to him.
> I mean no disrespect or to detract still it does cause me some concern for
> the reasons stated above.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet
> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:32 PM
> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
> Subject: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
>
> Hi All,
> Well here it is Christmas once again, and Carlos just sent this so I could
> share it with you all.  I copied and pasted it below.
> Janet
>
> Hi To All!
> I see the countless Christmas Trees around the world below,
> with tiny lights, like heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
> The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away that tear,
> for I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.
> I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
> but the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
> I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring,
> for it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
> I know how much you miss me. I see the pain inside your heart,
> but I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
> So be happy for me dear ones. You all know I hold you dear,
> and be glad I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
> I send you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
> I send you each a memory of, of my undying love.
> After all "Love" is the gift, more precious than pure gold.
> It was always most import in the stories Jesus told.
> Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
> for I can't count the blessing or love he has for each of you.
> So, have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
> Remember, I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
>
> Carlos!
>
> Peace Be With You.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




locked Re: A Letter From Carlos To All!

rex wisdom
 

This is very interesting technology discussion for a technology list.

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

Thank you Gene. This is getting way uncomfortable. We'll always remember him as a caring friend who put a lot of work into this group even when he was sick, but I really wish we could just leave it at that.

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 10:49 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

People addressed there points in a civil manner, which unfortunately, you take as an attack. 

 

You spread a message that, whoever wrote it, purports to be from Carlos beyond the grave.  You are spreading thoughts and ideas attributed to Carloss and I doubt you have any specific knowledge that allows you to determine if you are honoring Carlos in this way. 

 

As I said before, if someone said, I believe Carlos is in heaven or whatever they believe, that is different from writing or propagating a fictional writing, purporting to come from Carlos and to be his thoughts or his speech. 

 

If you don't see the difference and consider this to be an attack, I'm sorry.  I've stated the case in as unemotionally and in as respectful a way as I can. 

 

If someone had said, I believe Carlos is in heaven and thinking this or that, again, that is that person's beliefs and people are free to believe what they wish.  But that is different from writing something like a letter as though it came from the person.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 6:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

Hello Gene,

You are so wrong when you say I am putting words in to Carlos’s mouth!  This pone was written for a deceased person, not a person who is living!  I would like to think these words in this beautiful pone are definitely the words of Carlos, as well as others who have passed on, in hopes they are resting peacefully, as well as happy.  This is the whole point to this pone.  When I talked to Carlos vs email, he told me he was praying, and he also asked me to pray for him.  This tells me something!  Having said all this, I will not discuss this matter with you any longer.  Because I was accused of being weird, putting words in to Carlos’s mouth, creating this pone, I felt it is only fair I had a chance to defend myself, and that I did!

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 4:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

I’d rather let the discussion continue if it doesn’t take over the list rather than censor what is said about Carlos.  As an individual and not speakihng as the owner. I agree that things representing Carlos as having or believing certain views shouldn’t be sent because we don’t know what he thought about such things.  We know the kind of person he was and how he lived and that he helped people in valuable ways and that is worth commemorating.  If someone says something like I believe he is in heaven, or something of the sort, that’s the person’s belief, which is fine, but putting beliefs in
Carlos’ mouth, as though he believed them is without foundation.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mike B

Sent: Friday, December 27, 2019 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

Hi Pat,

 

Since I'm the one that usually initiates the emails for the birthdays & the passing of Carlos to keep his memory alive, are you asking / suggesting that all posts' regarding Carlos are stopped?!  You said,

 

" we need to Honor him and let him truly (Rest in Peace)."

 

Are you just referring to the Xmas post / prayer?  Anyways, if list members would like for all posts' about Carlos be stopped, then maybe this is something the list owner / moderators should take a poll on.  Personally, I've never met anyone as computer savvy that could explain things in lamens terms as well as carlos, and I just don't see anything wrong with giving him his coodos at times.  Thoughts please list owner & moderators?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.  "Eyden I"

----- Original Message -----

From: Pat Seed

Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 9:17 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!

 

Hi Everyone,
I too, Definitely appreciate the sentiment in what was sent. However, I do
not believe that we should write anything in Carlos name, as if he had
written it.

Carlos was a Very Kind person, so Very Gifted in computer knowledge and
know-how, and helped so many of us. This is evidenced by how we are still
passing around is so Very Helpful information. All of it is Definitely
Carlos' gift to us, and I know that all of us Treasure that information.

We also Treasure our many memories of and with him, which will forever be in
our hearts.

I have to say something about the author of the letter. I am not sure who
wrote the original letter way back when. However, I do know that this same
letter was sent to me after my Mom passed away on December 19th of 2011. I
can tell you that it really helped me through Christmas that year.

There is only one other thing that I would like to say. Because we Treasure
Carlos So Much, as a person and as a helper, we need to Honor him and let
him truly (Rest in Peace).

Take care, Everyone, and let us, as I will,  keep remembering Carlos with
Joy.

Blessings and All the Very Best,
Pat Seed


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robin Frost" <robini71@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!


> Hi,
> I appreciated the sentiment and am in awe of anyone who can write
> structured verse poetry. It's a talent I always wish I had. Still I
> couldn't help but wonder how his family and loved ones would feel reading
> something penned in his name. Further he wasn't one to speak of his
> personal views on things spiritual on lists his own or others which is why
> it took me aback a bit to read something of this nature ascribed to him.
> I mean no disrespect or to detract still it does cause me some concern for
> the reasons stated above.
> Take good care.
> Robin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet
> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:32 PM
> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
> Subject: [TechTalk] A Letter From Carlos To All!
>
> Hi All,
> Well here it is Christmas once again, and Carlos just sent this so I could
> share it with you all.  I copied and pasted it below.
> Janet
>
> Hi To All!
> I see the countless Christmas Trees around the world below,
> with tiny lights, like heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
> The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away that tear,
> for I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.
> I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
> but the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
> I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring,
> for it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
> I know how much you miss me. I see the pain inside your heart,
> but I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
> So be happy for me dear ones. You all know I hold you dear,
> and be glad I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
> I send you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
> I send you each a memory of, of my undying love.
> After all "Love" is the gift, more precious than pure gold.
> It was always most import in the stories Jesus told.
> Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
> for I can't count the blessing or love he has for each of you.
> So, have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
> Remember, I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
>
> Carlos!
>
> Peace Be With You.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


How do I create shortcut keys in Foobar 2000?

Peter Spitz
 

I am trying to program some shortcuts in Foobar 2000 and can't figure
out how to enter the actual shortcut. I can go to Preferences,
Keyboard Shortcuts but then am at a loss on how to select and enter a
new shortcut.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Peter


Re: Loose headphone jack on an Acer laptop

James Bentley
 

Hi Howard,

 

I sent you a private email with the Sabrent sound card manual attached.  Just in case my attempt fails, You can go to the Amazon product page and search for the letters, pdf

 

Hit enter on that link to download the .PDF manual.

 

Note, After I opened the file with Adobe DC, I got a message telling me to run Jaws OCR in order to read the file.  That did work for me.

 

James B

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Loose headphone jack on an Acer laptop

 

Yes, this is an OK external sound device.  However, I didn't find the pdf manual for it.  James, did you get the manual?  If so, could you please pass it on too me?  'twould be much appreciated.  Thanks.
Howard

On 12/31/2019 12:16 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Got it.  Thanks, James

 

Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids?  Visit



On Dec 30, 2019, at 7:48 PM, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> wrote:



Hi Sharon

 

I am pasting an Amazon link at the end of this email.  This link goes to the $6.50, external USB sound card that I purchased two years ago.  It is the number one recommended USB sound card at Amazon.

 

It does have a 3.5 MM stereo headphone jack and a 3.5mm microphone jack.  I have not ever used the microphone jack but I believe it is mono.  The soundcard sticks out from the PC about one inch.

 

If your mike and headphones each have their own plug, it is easier to plug everything in to this sound card.  If your mic is built in to your headphones, then, you would need to purchase an inexpensive splitter to make both work.

 

I think that all screen reader users should have this sound card because it works if your internal sound card or your earphone jack become defective.  You can use a PC sound system or a pair of headphones with this sound card.

 

There is also a link to a PDF manual for this device on this page.

 

 

https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-External-Adapter-Windows-AU-MMSA/dp/B00IRVQ0F8/ref=ice_ac_b_dpb?keywords=sabrent+usb+external+sound+card&qid=1577758996&sr=8-1

 

 

James B

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 3:12 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Loose headphone jack on an Acer laptop

 

So, just for clarification,   does Sabrent itself have one jack for headphone, and another jack for the mic?  I want to be able to use both at the same time, using a mic with a wider screen instead of the headset and mic -bo with a much smaller one that's mostly for speech.

 

Thanks again for your suggestion,

 

 

Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids?  Visit




On Dec 28, 2019, at 3:59 PM, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...> wrote:



I reccomend a USB sound card from Amazon.  Sabrent  makes a couple models for under ten dollars.  Most have a stereo 3.5MM jack for connecting to either headphones or a pair of speakers.  All of mine also have a mono microphone jack.

 

These cards stick out less than one inch.  I use a 6 inch USB extension cable to reduce the chance of setting something down on top of the sound card which does stick out a bit like a sore thumb.  Note, I admit I am a bit clumsy.  Most will not need the extension cable.

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 4:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Loose headphone jack on an Acer laptop

 

It might not be convenient and it is technically primitive, but you could stick tape to the plug handle and once it is plugged in, tape it to the case.  but you might find the best solution is to buy a cheap USB sound card and plug whatever you want into it, such as headphones.  You would unplug it for listening through speakers and connect it again for uses such as with headphones.  You can buy very small USB sound cards.  I don't know how small the very cheap ones are but of course, you can spend more.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 3:43 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Loose headphone jack on an Acer laptop

 

Hi,

I have an Acer laptop with a loose jack.  The guy who was working on it was able to tighten the grip  a little, and I have used it for headphones and  one or two other cables, but they slip out too easily.  Since that's not a part that can be replaced,  and he didn't want to try to improve any further, does anyone have a suggestion for making cables  stay securely plugged in?

Thanks,


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www.CochlearAmericas.com

 


locked Re: A Letter From Carlos To All!

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Jean & List:

While the poem was decidedly Christian, as long as the author is sincere and respectful, it could be a Buddhist, Jewish or Prayer to Gitchi Manitou, an indigenous deity.

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter from Carlos To All!

 

Some members may not know that I am the list owner and I'm writing in that capacity now, though I usually write as a member, contributing to various discussions and wishing to be treated as any member in such discussions. People should feel free to disagree with me as they would any member during such discussions. 

 

I will let this thread continue for a number of hours but I will ask that it stop later today if it hasn't.  It has stirred up emotions and ideas and I think it’s good that they be aired, but I think that most of what needs to be said in terms of clarifying positions and explaining positions has been.  Carlos has also been discussed in terms of the kind of person he was and his contributions to blind computer users.  I only knew Carlos through the list but he may have helped people in other ways as well such as encouraging them to achieve. 

 

But this is the kind of thread that may spread ill feeling on the list.

 

it’s appropriate to remember Carlos at times like Christmas and his birthday but it doesn't serve people well for the remembrance to become divisive.

 

Since I'm writing as list owner, if people disagree with my decision, please write to me at the owner's address given in the footer of every message since this is a list administration matter.  I'll provide it here as well.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 8:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A Letter from Carlos To All!

 

Morning all,

I haven't replied to this thread till now because I deleted many of the
messages; not because I didn't appreciate Carlos' contribution to this
fine list, but because I didn't want to get embroiled in an emotional
hoodoo for no reason.  However, the pop and crackle has continued
until I can't ignore it any longer.  My plea is for some common sense.

First, I'd like to suggest that Janet's poem be placed in our file list
so that anyone who wishes to read it may do so.  Second, I'd like to
plead for some understanding of how people may feel about those loved
ones who have gone on before us.  Janet, what you seem to have
forgotten here, is that this list is an international list.  Therefore,
its members comprise a microcosm of the entire world.  There are
blacks, whites, Latinos, Asians, Africans, and Europeans.  There are
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, pagans, and atheists here.  There
are members from all political persuasions.  Therefore, a poem of this
kind, beautiful as it is, may not be the best way to share your grief
and your memories of Carlos.  This is because that poem has a definite
Christian slant to it.  Many members may not believe in the Christian
afterlife.  Grieving is often a private and individually personal thing
which cannot be shared; and shouldn't be unless with close friends. 
Memories of what The Departed has done in life are certainly valid
things to share, but not this type of personal poetry.

Now, I'm not going to go into whether I believe that those who have
gone on before us take an interest in our lives.  That, for me, is a
personal belief.  Writing poems or plays or novels as if from The Other
Side is not uncommon.  Nancy Atherton's books come to mind as well as
Noel Coward's "Blithe Spirit", and "The Ghost and Mrs. More".  So,
Carlos may very well be looking over our shoulders and kibitzing.

However, my solution to this crackle and pop thread is to place the
poem in the file list remind people every Christmas about it, maybe,
but let's move on.  Thanks for writing it, Janet.  It was well crafted,
and it came from the heart.

Pax foci’s-cum,
Ann P.


> dear list please tell me who was Carlos and what was his contribution.
> because if everyone respects a person he deserved to be respected. regards
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 8:32 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] A Letter from Carlos To All!

>> Hi All,
>> Well here it is Christmas once again, and Carlos just sent this so I could
>> share it with you all.  I copied and pasted it below.
>> Janet

>> Hi to All!
>> I see the countless Christmas Trees around the world below,
>> with tiny lights, like heaven's stars, reflecting on the snow.
>> The sight is so spectacular, please wipe away that tear,
>> for I am spending Christmas with Jesus Christ this year.
>> I hear the many Christmas songs that people hold so dear,
>> but the sounds of music can't compare with the Christmas choir up here.
>> I have no words to tell you, the joy their voices bring,
>> for it is beyond description, to hear the angels sing.
>> I know how much you miss me. I see the pain inside your heart,
>> but I am not so far away. We really aren't apart.
>> So be happy for me dear ones. You all know I hold you dear,
>> and be glad I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.
>> I send you each a special gift, from my heavenly home above.
>> I send you each a memory of, of my undying love.
>> After all, "Love" is the gift, more precious than pure gold.
>> It was always most import in the stories Jesus told.
>> Please love and keep each other, as my Father said to do,
>> for I can't count the blessing or love he has for each of you.
>> So, have a Merry Christmas and wipe away that tear.
>> Remember, I'm spending Christmas, with Jesus Christ this year.

>> Carlos!

>> Peace Be with You.
















>

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Re: Alcatel flip phone alarm setting

Pamela Dominguez
 

Nobody told me, but I looked all over the phone, and don’t seem to see a place.  A friend of mine got the store to take the battery out of her phone when she had to get the phone replaced.  But I didn’t know if they didn’t break the back, since the phone was already broken.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
I don’t know who told you you can’t remove the battery and thus I don’t know how reliable the information is.  I’m very skeptical.  Have someone look at the phone and see if there is a groove anhywhere, particularly at one of the corners designed to stick a fingernail in.  Don’t mistake the groove for something like a USB module designed to insert a USB plug in.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
You mean you can actually take the battery out of that one?  Mine, you can’t.  I discovered when mine freezes, I have to press the speed dial button to make it talk, then get out of speed dial, and it should land on the home screen and talk.  That’s not one hundred percent foolproof, but you can usually get it back if you either press that button, or the square one above the end button.  I know your model is later than mine, but I have been told it’s almost like mine.  Pam.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
Thank you for the recommendation.  I'll consider it if the alarm on the phone isn't loud enough.  its pretty loud but I'm not sure if its loud enough to wake me reliably if II'm in a deep sleep.  At times, its hard to wake me when I don't get as much sleep as usual or if I want to be wakened after a few hours of sleep for some reason. 
 
As for the clock, the buttons are ones you can tell apart if you have a good or I would think average sense of touch but not if you have a deficiency in touch.  There are very small ridges separating them and the five, though marked, is marked with very small dots that I consider almost useless. 
 
I had the person in the store turn on the screen-reader and I'd have to look at the settings again to see how it is done.  I did so, but I don't recall the details now. 
 
But I'm not at all impressed with the phone.  Mne.  I can't say if this is a general problem, but it has frozen a number of times, necessitating me removing and reinserting the battery after a short interval. 
 
Important things don't read such as the contacts list.  There is a workaround but there is no excuse for such lack of ability.  You can search for a contact by typing as many letters of the name as you wish and then calling the person using the search result but the result isn't read.  You can assume it is correct if you type enough letters to distinguish the name but would any sighted person be satisfied with needing to do that and not seeing any information? 
 
The phone is generally useavle but I consider it inferior to the popular phone lots of blind people got from SamSung for years whose name I don't recall now.  My previous Samsung feature phone, similar to the one lots of blind people got,, I just remembered, it’s the Haven, (spelling) was much more accessible. 
 
I could see the contacts list, I could have the phone read the signal strength, and I could have it tell me the battery level without having to go through a number of settings to get to the information.  So, while a lot of the phone is accessible and it is mostly useable, it requires cumbersome work arounds that shouldn't be necessary to use contacts and the alarm.  There may be other such cases I haven't found yet. 
 
If there are no other feature phones available, then this phone might be one some or many people would want, but perhaps Laz or others know about other phones with better accessibility.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 

 

Aside from the alarm problem, how is the speech quality on this phone?  Is it easy to turn on the screen reader?  And are the buttons large and easy to distinguish by touch?  As for a loud alarm clock check out this small pocket-sized alarm clock that Speak to Me sells for about $19.  Besides having loud speech and alarm, it also has an optional vibrating alarm which can be set to go off alone or in conjuntion with one of the selected alarm sounds.  You can keep this clock in your pajama top pocket or under your pillow.  If you use it with the vibrating alarm, it will definitely wake you up:

 

http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

On 12/31/2019 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.  It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out, but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to a sighted person.
 
If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very loud alarm clock? 
 
Gene


Re: Alcatel flip phone

Pamela Dominguez
 

They turned it on in the store for me, so I have no idea how to do it myself.  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
Could you just tell me how to turn on the speech?  Then, a few more commands would be helpful, also.

Thanks.


On 12/31/2019 11:46 AM, Gene wrote:
I didn't look at the manual much.  I don't think it will be very helpful in learning how to do things.  For example, when you open settings, you can see certain ones by using the up or down arrows.  You can see other items by using the left or right arrows.  The manual won't describe any of this because a sighted person, by looking at the screen, would see that some items are arranged up and down the screen and others from left to right. 
 
I don't know if anyone has done a tutorial for blind people regarding this phone.  I may do one if there isn't one or if it isn't good.  This is a product that you can't learn by reading the manual.  The manual may help you learn how to do things once you have a reasonable amount of information but not before.
 
In addition, some things happen that are specific to improper implementation of speech or for their not being some sort of sleep function for speech.
 
For example, I tried putting a song on the phone and playing it today.  The speech constantly interrupted the song by reading the elapsed time shown on the screen.  I experimented and evidently figured out how to cause the elapsed time indicator not to be shown and the file played well, but you would never see this discussed in the manual because it is specifically a problem caused by some sighted person or people implementing speech with no understanding or thought to how to cause it to not cause serious problems by properly automatically controlling what it reads or simply not having things read such as elapsed time indicators. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
Does someone have the accessible manual for this one that you could share?  Or could someone give me a few pointers?  I don't know how to get the speech turned on.  Once I get it talking, I might be able to figure out more of it.  Thanks.
Howard


On 12/31/2019 5:22 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Aside from the alarm problem, how is the speech quality on this phone?  Is it easy to turn on the screen reader?  And are the buttons large and easy to distinguish by touch?  As for a loud alarm clock check out this small pocket-sized alarm clock that Speak to Me sells for about $19.  Besides having loud speech and alarm, it also has an optional vibrating alarm which can be set to go off alone or in conjuntion with one of the selected alarm sounds.  You can keep this clock in your pajama top pocket or under your pillow.  If you use it with the vibrating alarm, it will definitely wake you up:

 

http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

On 12/31/2019 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.  It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out, but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to a sighted person.
 
If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very loud alarm clock? 
 
Gene



Re: Alcatel flip phone

Pamela Dominguez
 

I scanned the manual when I first got the 4044, but that was more than two years ago, so I don’t remember how much help I got out of it.  Another problem with the speech has to do with the fact that the people didn’t speak English as a first language.  If I make a call, and I press okay to initiate the call, instead of saying “call outgoing”, it will say “call incoming”.  At first, that freaked me out, because I thought I was getting a call at the same time I was trying to make one.  I hope they fixed things like that in your model.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
I didn't look at the manual much.  I don't think it will be very helpful in learning how to do things.  For example, when you open settings, you can see certain ones by using the up or down arrows.  You can see other items by using the left or right arrows.  The manual won't describe any of this because a sighted person, by looking at the screen, would see that some items are arranged up and down the screen and others from left to right. 
 
I don't know if anyone has done a tutorial for blind people regarding this phone.  I may do one if there isn't one or if it isn't good.  This is a product that you can't learn by reading the manual.  The manual may help you learn how to do things once you have a reasonable amount of information but not before.
 
In addition, some things happen that are specific to improper implementation of speech or for their not being some sort of sleep function for speech.
 
For example, I tried putting a song on the phone and playing it today.  The speech constantly interrupted the song by reading the elapsed time shown on the screen.  I experimented and evidently figured out how to cause the elapsed time indicator not to be shown and the file played well, but you would never see this discussed in the manual because it is specifically a problem caused by some sighted person or people implementing speech with no understanding or thought to how to cause it to not cause serious problems by properly automatically controlling what it reads or simply not having things read such as elapsed time indicators. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
Does someone have the accessible manual for this one that you could share?  Or could someone give me a few pointers?  I don't know how to get the speech turned on.  Once I get it talking, I might be able to figure out more of it.  Thanks.
Howard


On 12/31/2019 5:22 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Aside from the alarm problem, how is the speech quality on this phone?  Is it easy to turn on the screen reader?  And are the buttons large and easy to distinguish by touch?  As for a loud alarm clock check out this small pocket-sized alarm clock that Speak to Me sells for about $19.  Besides having loud speech and alarm, it also has an optional vibrating alarm which can be set to go off alone or in conjuntion with one of the selected alarm sounds.  You can keep this clock in your pajama top pocket or under your pillow.  If you use it with the vibrating alarm, it will definitely wake you up:

 

http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

On 12/31/2019 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.  It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out, but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to a sighted person.
 
If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very loud alarm clock? 
 
Gene


Re: net flicks and pier flicks

Merv Keck <blind5sparrow@...>
 

Unless it improved in the last six or eight months, Pureflix has some serious accessibility issues. I dropped it because it once was accessible on both my iPhone and iPad as well as my Apple TV. It was also accessible on my PC. When I cancelled the service it was no longer accessible on any of my devices other than the PC and that was only marginal and not very good.
I spoke to several people at Pureflix and they were aware of the issue and encouraged several blind individuals including myself to get a refund for our service rather than work toward accessibility.
I hope they changed or will change soon. They had some good family friendly content on there.
Merv

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of andrew edgcumbe
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 2:48 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] net flicks and pier flicks

Hi My name is Andrew. I had a tech question is net flicks excessible through the computer? does it get access ed through windows is that aplication excessible also there is another one a that is more of a christian or faith one calledpier flicks do you know if it is blind friendly?


Re: Alcatel flip phone alarm setting

Pamela Dominguez
 

It’s hard to put contacts in, and to send texts, because,in the contacts, and in a text,  you can’t arrow left and right and have it speak the letters to check them, and also where you are.
  If you make a mistake, say, in a phone number, you have to learn how to find out where the cursor is, the hard way.  I think I finally found out by trial and error, that when you get into something, the cursor is always at the beginning.  So, if you want to add a letter or number, you have to count as you arrow right, without being able to hear anything.  Pam.

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
what does the person want to do with the phone?  for making calls, its fine.  If you want to use contacts, you can learn how, but someone would probably have to show the person or send detailed instructions.  You can send texts and read texts, but I haven't done enough of either to say just how accessible it is.  I don't think its as easy as it should be but with instructions, sending texts can be done.  I'm not sure if you hear all the information you should if you up and down arrow in a text message list.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
 
So is the Alcatell flip phone pretty accessable otherwise for a blind
person and does it work on verizon?  Jujst wondering for a friend.

On 12/31/19, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@...> wrote:
> I can tell you that I have set the alarm twice, but it wasn’t easy to do.
> The first time, I was able to set it for the time I wanted.  The second
> time, it didn’t work at all.  Then,I was able to set it once again.  But I
> can say that it is strange to try to set, and to me, it doesn’t really make
> any sense.  I have the alcatel 4044, which I think is close to the flip go
> 3.  I haven’t figured out what made me able to set it the times I did, and
> what made me unable to do it the other times.  Pam.
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:18 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting
>
> I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its
> very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I
> haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the
> screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.
> It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out,
> but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to
> a sighted person.
>
> If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very
> loud alarm clock?
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>



Re: Alcatel flip phone

Pamela Dominguez
 

There is no accessible manual.  You just have to end up learning it by going in and out of the menus and listening to what it says.  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone
 
Does someone have the accessible manual for this one that you could share?  Or could someone give me a few pointers?  I don't know how to get the speech turned on.  Once I get it talking, I might be able to figure out more of it.  Thanks.
Howard


On 12/31/2019 5:22 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Aside from the alarm problem, how is the speech quality on this phone?  Is it easy to turn on the screen reader?  And are the buttons large and easy to distinguish by touch?  As for a loud alarm clock check out this small pocket-sized alarm clock that Speak to Me sells for about $19.  Besides having loud speech and alarm, it also has an optional vibrating alarm which can be set to go off alone or in conjuntion with one of the selected alarm sounds.  You can keep this clock in your pajama top pocket or under your pillow.  If you use it with the vibrating alarm, it will definitely wake you up:

 

http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV

 

 

Gerald

 

 

 

 

On 12/31/2019 12:18 AM, Gene wrote:
I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name.  its very close if it isn't quite correct.  My old phone stopped working.  I haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the screen-reader not reading the interface properly.  the manual is useless.  It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out, but says nothing about how to work with it.  It must be glaringly obvious to a sighted person.
 
If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very loud alarm clock? 
 
Gene


Re: Alcatel flip phone alarm setting

Pamela Dominguez
 

It does speak, but I'm not sure if it works on Verizon. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amy Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:09 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting

So is the Alcatell flip phone pretty accessable otherwise for a blind
person and does it work on verizon? Jujst wondering for a friend.

On 12/31/19, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
I can tell you that I have set the alarm twice, but it wasn’t easy to do.
The first time, I was able to set it for the time I wanted. The second
time, it didn’t work at all. Then,I was able to set it once again. But I
can say that it is strange to try to set, and to me, it doesn’t really make
any sense. I have the alcatel 4044, which I think is close to the flip go
3. I haven’t figured out what made me able to set it the times I did, and
what made me unable to do it the other times. Pam.

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Alcatel flip phone alarm setting

I just got the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip 3, I believe is the name. its
very close if it isn't quite correct. My old phone stopped working. I
haven't figured out how to set the alarm, which I attribute to the
screen-reader not reading the interface properly. the manual is useless.
It tells you how to get into the interface, which I had already figured out,
but says nothing about how to work with it. It must be glaringly obvious to
a sighted person.

If this problem can't be solved, does anyone have a recommendation on a very
loud alarm clock?

Gene



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