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Re: Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my computer?

Peter Spitz
 

I have my headphone system set up from my computer through a USB
digital analog converter to my headphone amplifier. I would like to
listen to radio stations on my iPhone through that system. I have no
way to connect the 3.5mm headphone jack from the iPhone to my DAC.
Hope this clarifies the issue. Thanks very much for the responses!

Peter

On 1/7/20, Mich Verrier <michv@eastlink.ca> wrote:
Hi I think you would need to use eye tunes to do this how ever I am not
shure. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter
Spitz
Sent: January 7, 2020 11:22 AM
To: main <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my
computer?

I would like to connect my iPhone 6 to my computer and listen to the
radio stations through my computer speakers. I cannot figure out how
to do this. Any advice is greatly appreciated in advance.

Thanks,

Peter








Re: Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my computer?

goshawk on horseback
 

hope you don't mind me asking, but why do you specifically want to run it
through your computer?
if it is purely for the better audio from the speakers you are using, then
with your iPhone being a 6, you can use either a 2way audio switch, or even
a 2 channel mixer desk to connect directly from the headphone jack to your
speakers, unless I am missing something else you want to do.
hope this helps.

Simon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Spitz" <peter.a.spitz@gmail.com>
To: "main" <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 4:21 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my
computer?


I would like to connect my iPhone 6 to my computer and listen to the
radio stations through my computer speakers. I cannot figure out how
to do this. Any advice is greatly appreciated in advance.

Thanks,

Peter


Drop Box Issue

lynn white
 

Can someone explain how to get Drop Box reading correctly?  On one of my machines, it's treating the folders and files like some type of header which is making things very tedious.  Thanks.


Re: Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my computer?

Mich Verrier
 

Hi I think you would need to use eye tunes to do this how ever I am not shure. From Mich.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Spitz
Sent: January 7, 2020 11:22 AM
To: main <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my computer?

I would like to connect my iPhone 6 to my computer and listen to the
radio stations through my computer speakers. I cannot figure out how
to do this. Any advice is greatly appreciated in advance.

Thanks,

Peter


Is there a way to listen to my iPhone through my computer?

Peter Spitz
 

I would like to connect my iPhone 6 to my computer and listen to the
radio stations through my computer speakers. I cannot figure out how
to do this. Any advice is greatly appreciated in advance.

Thanks,

Peter


Fit bit flex

Kathy Pingstock
 

Good morning

My name is Kathy and I am new to the less a question I have is there any totally blind person set use the fit bit flex I am looking for a device that I can wear that will count my steps besides an Apple Watch. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated


braille sense polaris not showing

Kimsan
 

Hi,

When I connect my Polaris to my laptop, windows 10, I go into file explorer, I don’t see it. Why is this?

The other question is how do I navigate to my external hard drive when it’s connected to my ppolaris?

 

 

Thank you,

Sincerely,

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

 


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

As I said yesterday, I don't recommend it unless there isn't anything better at a reasonable cost.  Aside from inadequate accessibility, you can use many features of the phone but you often have to use work arounds, my phone has a problem with the alarm.  If you intend to use the phone in part for its alarm, I'll discuss the bug, actually two bugs.  They are serious problems if that feature is important to you.  I doubt the bugs are just on my phone.  And the phone crashes far more than it should.  As I said yesterday, I think the crashing is caused by the screen-reader in the phone because it got a good review in PC World and the reviewer would have mentioned the crashing problem if it happened to him to any extent.
 
And again, while it is possible these problems are limited to my phone, I doubt it. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

That’s fine;

Just wanted a basic idea of cost.

I am currently satisified  with my I phone 7, though the alcatel go flip sounds like a good choice  if one wants a real keypad.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 5:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I'm not sure.  T Mobile told me that it would cost one-hundred dollars if I had a data plan but that since I'm just using a pay as you go plan, it cost one-hundred-fifty dollars.  I don't know if you can get it in stores and what you would pay or how much other providers charge.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Monte Single

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Hi Gene,

 

How much does this phone cost?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 4:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.

 

Gene

Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:

What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 

 

I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 

 

If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 

 

I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 

 

The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

 

And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:

I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 

All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.

 

Gene

 

An important point about time:

In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.

New main steps start on new lines:

 

Press the button surrounded by a circle once.

Press the top of the circle five times. 

Press the button in the middle of the circle again.

Wait about five seconds.

Then press the right of the circle four times.

Press the top of the circle two times.

Press the button in the circle again.

Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 

Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.

Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.

 

You should now have speech.

Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 

 

When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard

On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:

The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 

 

So I'm asking two questions:

First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 

 

Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.

 

My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.

 

Gene

 

 


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Monte Single
 

That’s fine;

Just wanted a basic idea of cost.

I am currently satisified  with my I phone 7, though the alcatel go flip sounds like a good choice  if one wants a real keypad.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 5:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I'm not sure.  T Mobile told me that it would cost one-hundred dollars if I had a data plan but that since I'm just using a pay as you go plan, it cost one-hundred-fifty dollars.  I don't know if you can get it in stores and what you would pay or how much other providers charge.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Hi Gene,

 

How much does this phone cost?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 4:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.

 

Gene

Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:

What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 

 

I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 

 

If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 

 

I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 

 

The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

 

And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:

I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 

All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.

 

Gene

 

An important point about time:

In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.

New main steps start on new lines:

 

Press the button surrounded by a circle once.

Press the top of the circle five times. 

Press the button in the middle of the circle again.

Wait about five seconds.

Then press the right of the circle four times.

Press the top of the circle two times.

Press the button in the circle again.

Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 

Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.

Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.

 

You should now have speech.

Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 

 

When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard

On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:

The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 

 

So I'm asking two questions:

First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 

 

Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.

 

My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.

 

Gene

 

 


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

Actually, I'm not sure if that was the price with a data plan.  it might be that if I had the unlimited text and talk plan with no data, I could have gotten the lower price, I'm not sure.  but I'll pay more for the phone but save a lot more money over time keeping my present plan, considering how little I use the phone for calls or text. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Hi Gene,

 

How much does this phone cost?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 4:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.

 

Gene

Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:

What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 

 

I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 

 

If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 

 

I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 

 

The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

 

And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:

I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 

All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.

 

Gene

 

An important point about time:

In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.

New main steps start on new lines:

 

Press the button surrounded by a circle once.

Press the top of the circle five times. 

Press the button in the middle of the circle again.

Wait about five seconds.

Then press the right of the circle four times.

Press the top of the circle two times.

Press the button in the circle again.

Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 

Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.

Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.

 

You should now have speech.

Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 

 

When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard

On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:

The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 

 

So I'm asking two questions:

First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 

 

Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.

 

My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.

 

Gene

 

 


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

I'm not sure.  T Mobile told me that it would cost one-hundred dollars if I had a data plan but that since I'm just using a pay as you go plan, it cost one-hundred-fifty dollars.  I don't know if you can get it in stores and what you would pay or how much other providers charge.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Hi Gene,

 

How much does this phone cost?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 4:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.

 

Gene

Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:

What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 

 

I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 

 

If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 

 

I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 

 

The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

 

And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:

I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 

All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.

 

Gene

 

An important point about time:

In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.

New main steps start on new lines:

 

Press the button surrounded by a circle once.

Press the top of the circle five times. 

Press the button in the middle of the circle again.

Wait about five seconds.

Then press the right of the circle four times.

Press the top of the circle two times.

Press the button in the circle again.

Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 

Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.

Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.

 

You should now have speech.

Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 

 

When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard

On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:

The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 

 

So I'm asking two questions:

First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 

 

Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.

 

My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.

 

Gene

 

 


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Monte Single
 

Hi Gene,

 

How much does this phone cost?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January-06-20 4:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.

 

Gene

Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:

 

Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:

What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 

 

I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 

 

If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 

 

I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 

 

The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

 

And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:

I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 

All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.

 

Gene

 

An important point about time:

In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.

New main steps start on new lines:

 

Press the button surrounded by a circle once.

Press the top of the circle five times. 

Press the button in the middle of the circle again.

Wait about five seconds.

Then press the right of the circle four times.

Press the top of the circle two times.

Press the button in the circle again.

Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 

Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.

Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.

 

You should now have speech.

Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 

 

When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

 

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard

On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:

The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 

 

So I'm asking two questions:

First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 

 

Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.

 

My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.

 

Gene

 

 


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

I should have said that with speech on, in stead of with speech.  it is more clear.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.
 
Gene
Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene



Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

I should add that with speech, if you are good at figuring things out and you are familiar with or can figure out the interface, you can then find things discussed in the manual.  You may or may not be able to use them, depending on whether they are accessible and if you can figure them out.  I'm not saying you can't use a manual for some, perhaps, many things, but that depends on the users' general knowledge, such as how you work with the kinds of interfaces in feature phones, for example, and the user's ability to figure things out where accessibility isn't complete.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.
 
Gene
Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene



Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

If all you want to do is make calls, you won't have much to learn.  But you will need sighted assistance to turn on speech.  Manuals don't describe things in ways that will allow you to do so by reading what the manual says.  It will say to do this or that but it won't tell you how to get to this or that as a blind user.  A sighted person would do something and see what is being discussed.  Without speech, a blind person needs every stetp to be written to turn it on.
 
Gene
Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene



Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Howard Traxler
 

Well Gene, you're right, it seems.  My phone being much older must not be the same or even have the same menu structure.  I went through the steps you listed and nothing happened.  So I'll try to find out the model number and see if I can find a manual online or get someone to help with it.

Thanks anyway.

Howard

On 1/6/2020 2:59 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene



Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

I'm not sure.  It can use Google Assistant, but I don't know if there are limitations or if you can use Google Assistant to dial numbers.
 
I can't use it because I don't have a data plan.  I just have text and calling, or whatever its called, perhaps text and talk.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gerald Levy
 


Does the Alcatel Flip have voice dialing capability?  Or must phone numbers be dialed using the numeric keypad or contacts list?


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 3:03 PM, Gene wrote:
What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene


Re: Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene
 

What does it matter if there are many steps?  If you have a copy of the steps, execute one step and then refer to the copy and do the next one, and are careful in what you press and work slowly to be sure, the number of steps won't matter.  As I said, there is no difficulty in knowing when you press a key.  There is a very firm and noticeable movement. 
 
I specifically said that I have done everything but the last step.  They should work. 
 
If you need to use them, and you follow them as written, the worst that can happen is that you won't have speech.  You won't change any settings, you just won't have speech.  And if you have speech already on, for example if a store person turns it on, you will be very unlikely to have to try this sequence.  It is very unlikely that somehow, speech will turn off. 
 
I should add that yesterday, I said you can use this sequence when you get the phone and first turn it on.  On further consideration, I don't know if you can.  In the store, someone turned on speech.  I don't know if any sort of first run screen comes up when you first turn on the phone sso that would be something to find out about.  In other words, when you turn on the phone for the first time, does the standard home page come up, or some other page where you set certain things and enter information.  The manual doesn't say that any other than the home page comes up, it says you should set certain things when you first get the phone but doesn't indicate that you do anything else than set them in the usual way.  So it is my guess that the home screen comes up.  If some other first run screen comes up, my procedure won't work and whether you inadvertently change or enter any information on the first run screen is something I don't know. 
 
The main reason I learned these steps is so that, in the very unlikely event that I lose speech, I can turn it on again.  But that shouldn't be the first thing you try with this phone.  You should first try raising the volume in case it was inadvertently turned down and sometimes, though a volume control is provided on the case, it doesn't work so you would work with the volume settings or probably restarting the phone would let the volume control on the phone case work again. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone


And suppose you don't have speech?  Then what? This is a long and complicated sequence of steps, and although executing it successfully should turn on speech, have you actually tried these instructions yourself?  Or are you just assuming that they will work?  The designers of the Alcatel Flip obviously did not put much thought or consideration into accessibility because  they made it so difficult for a blind consumer to enable speech without sighted help.  They should have designed it so that speech could be enabled by pressing the menu button three or four times in succession, much like activating Voice Over on an IPhone.  I would not consider buying this phone unless a phone store clerk could turn on speech for me.


Gerald



On 1/6/2020 1:31 AM, Gene wrote:
I have slightly revised these instructions.  I'll send them again with the revisions in this message.  If anyone tries this procedure, the revisions may make success more likely. 
All the steps are correct in the old instructions but just to be sure things aren't done too fast, I have lengthoned the time to wait between commands.  I'll present the new instructions below my signature.  Please replace the old ones with these.
 
Gene
 
An important point about time:
In between every command in this procedure wait about three seconds.  There is one place where I say to wait about five seconds but elsewhere, about three seconds between every command will be sufficient.  With no speech, I don't know how long it will take the commands to be carried out so leave about a three second margin, which will be enough, except for the one time when I specify five.
New main steps start on new lines:
 
Press the button surrounded by a circle once.
Press the top of the circle five times. 
Press the button in the middle of the circle again.
Wait about five seconds.
Then press the right of the circle four times.
Press the top of the circle two times.
Press the button in the circle again.
Then press the top of the circcle seven times. 
Press the button in the circle once, wait the usual three seconds, then press it again.
Then press the top of the circle and then press the button in the circle once.
 
You should now have speech.
Press the second button from the top on the rightmost column of buttons a number of times to return to the home screen. 
 
When you get there, home screen will be announced along with the time and date and after a pause a little bit of help information about certain keys will be spoken.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Regarding a possible tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 and some comments on the phone

Gene, Thanks for offerring a tutorial.  I for one, just use my phone for making and receiving calls; so not interested in any other functions and probably would not make use of a tutorial.  I do thank you for the steps you gave me to get speech going and I've yet to get someone to watch while I go through the steps.

Howard


On 1/5/2020 1:55 PM, Gene wrote:
The following is both an attempt to see if I might do a tutorial on the Alcatel GoFlip 3 feature phone and also I've made many comments on the phone in a sort of minireview.  Those interested in flip phones that are feature phones and use a keypad, not a touch screen may want to read what follows.

My old feature phone stopped working a number of days ago and I replaced it with an Alcatel GoFlip 3.  I don't know what other options are available and I don't recommend the phone, based on my experience with it and the incomplete accessibility.  But it may be the only option around for an accessible feature phone that is more or less reasonably priced. 
 
So I'm asking two questions:
First, are there other better options?  I'll keep what I have; I've learned how to do what I want on it, but I have to use a number of work arounds to deal with the incomplete accessibility.  Also, it has crashed often while I've been doing a lot of experimenting and learning how to use it.  I would think it would crash less if it weren't used nearly as much as I have been during learning, but even so it shouldn't happen, and I suspect it would happen less, but still often enough to be annoying.  The crashes necessitate taking out the battery for a short time, then putting it in and starting the phone again.  I suspect that these crashes are related to the speech, because the phone got a very good review in PC World by a sighted user and he would have discussed a crashing problem if it had occurred during his testing. 
 
Also, at least on my phone, the alarm is unreliable.  The phone often doesn't wake up to play the alarm.  I've figured out a workaround to keep the phone awake but even so, if this is a general problem, its serious.
 
My second question is whether there is enough interest in the phone for me to do a tutorial.  I'm willing to review the phone further if people are interested but a tutorial is a different matter.  If enough people have the phone and want a tutorial, I'll create one.
 
Gene


Audio Descriptions on Fox

Danny Park
 

On the Fox network almost all of the shows used to be described but for the last while there has not been any descriptions.  I was wondering if anyone has any idea of what is going on with Fox at this time.
 
Thanks,
Danny

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