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Re: NLS cartrage

Richard <thegothot@...>
 

If you look at the system volume information properties, it will probably
report zero bytes.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage


System volume information is used by system restore. You may have to tell
Windows not to monitor that drive to keep that file from being placed on the
drive. If no one tells you how, I can look up information but someone may
tell you.

If you want to find out how much room it is taking up, open the properties
for the drive and compare the amount of free space with the amount of used
space when nothing else is on the drive. System Volume information can't be
looked at for size using drive properties.

It may be, as Richard says, that you are going through work to free up space
that isn't enough to matter.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage


Hi Howard,
Every drive has system volume information, usually hidden,
for identification by the operating system.
The size of that folder is usually not enough to worry about.

HTH,
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage


Absolutely correct. I have a half dozen that I purchased from someone
on one of these lists. And windows always leaves the folder I
mentioned. So, I'd like to make a clean cartrage before I stick boox on it.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 4:23 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi,

OK, I'm just guessing here. Maybe Pamela is thinking that you want to
format a NLS cartridge owned by the NLS library. And, that should not be
done because it isn't your personal property.

However, blank NLS cartridges are available for legal purchase. And, like
all USB drives, they can become corrupt and need to be formatted.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Well, I guess formatting the cartrage is a quick way to get rid of all
the stuff on it. And there are certain folders that windows won't
delete; "System Volume Information" for example. I don't know what
that's even for anyway. Just something to waste space.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 11:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Tell me why you should have to format an NLS cartridge. But if you
really do, it should be phat 32. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Hi all,
I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer. It offers
four different types of format. I'm wondering which one I should choose?

Thanks.
Howard











Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Touche! Actually, I think the comment RE googling referred to getting a copy of the manual, not reading the serial number which is inaccessible.

Ann P.


Original message:

Oh, just wondering what does googling something have to do with needing a brailled serial number being placed on a braille device! Or why should I be disappointed that I was not given a braille manual or even a braille guide to go with my braille only device! It is a “braille,” oriented device that came with a “print manual,” and a “print serial number,” on the bottom of a braille oriented device. How many sighted people do you see walking around with a braille labeler that does not have a spec of print accept for that lovely serial number on the bottom that I am told one has to have super vision to read! Cheers Heather
From: Tim Grady <mailto:timfgrady758@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker
Don’t you know how to google info?
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 6:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker
Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet. I really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there infinite wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing, it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide. Sie! Heather
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Googling is definitely a basic computer skill, but many do not have it. Moreover, if the manual is in .pdf, she will have to convert it to a .brf file if she has access to paperless braille.

Apparently, she's supposed to be getting the hard copy manual tomorrow. Let's see what happens.

Ann P.

Original message:

Tim, unfortunately some people can’t, but I suspect giving them a hard time about it is unlikely to encourage them to learn.



On 13 Feb 2020, at 19:57, Tim Grady <timfgrady758@gmail.com> wrote:



Don’t you know how to google info?
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 6:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker
Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet. I really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there infinite wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing, it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide. Sie! Heather
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: NLS cartrage

Gene
 

System volume information is used by system restore.  You may have to tell Windows not to monitor that drive to keep that file from being placed on the drive.  If no one tells you how, I can look up information but someone may tell you. 
If you want to find out how much room it is taking up, open the properties for the drive and compare the amount of free space with the amount of used space when nothing else is on the drive.  System Volume information can't be looked at for size using drive properties. 
 
It may be, as Richard says, that you are going through work to free up space that isn't enough to matter.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Hi Howard,
Every drive has system volume information, usually hidden,
for identification by the operating system.
The size of that folder is usually not enough to worry about.

HTH,
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage


Absolutely correct. I have a half dozen that I purchased from someone
on one of these lists. And windows always leaves the folder I
mentioned. So, I'd like to make a clean cartrage before I stick boox on it.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 4:23 PM, James Bentley wrote:
> Hi,
>
> OK, I'm just guessing here.  Maybe Pamela is thinking that you want to
> format a NLS cartridge owned by the NLS library.  And, that should not be
> done because it isn't your personal property.
>
> However, blank NLS cartridges are available for legal purchase.  And, like
> all USB drives, they can become corrupt and need to be formatted.
>
> Cheers,
>
> James B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
> Howard Traxler
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:46 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage
>
> Well, I guess formatting the cartrage is a quick way to get rid of all
> the stuff on it.  And there are certain folders that windows won't
> delete; "System Volume Information" for example.  I don't know what
> that's even for anyway.  Just something to waste space.
>
> Howard
>
> On 2/13/2020 11:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
>> Tell me why you should have to format an NLS cartridge.  But if you
>> really do, it should be phat 32.  Pam.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Howard Traxler
>> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
>> To: TechTalk
>> Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer.  It offers
>> four different types of format.  I'm wondering which one I should choose?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Howard
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>







Re: NLS cartrage

Richard <thegothot@...>
 

Hi Howard,
Every drive has system volume information, usually hidden,
for identification by the operating system.
The size of that folder is usually not enough to worry about.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage


Absolutely correct. I have a half dozen that I purchased from someone
on one of these lists. And windows always leaves the folder I
mentioned. So, I'd like to make a clean cartrage before I stick boox on it.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 4:23 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi,

OK, I'm just guessing here. Maybe Pamela is thinking that you want to
format a NLS cartridge owned by the NLS library. And, that should not be
done because it isn't your personal property.

However, blank NLS cartridges are available for legal purchase. And, like
all USB drives, they can become corrupt and need to be formatted.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Well, I guess formatting the cartrage is a quick way to get rid of all
the stuff on it. And there are certain folders that windows won't
delete; "System Volume Information" for example. I don't know what
that's even for anyway. Just something to waste space.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 11:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Tell me why you should have to format an NLS cartridge. But if you
really do, it should be phat 32. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Hi all,
I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer. It offers
four different types of format. I'm wondering which one I should choose?

Thanks.
Howard











Re: NLS cartrage

Howard Traxler
 

Absolutely correct.  I have a half dozen that I purchased from someone on one of these lists.  And windows always leaves the folder I mentioned.  So, I'd like to make a clean cartrage before I stick boox on it.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 4:23 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi,

OK, I'm just guessing here. Maybe Pamela is thinking that you want to format a NLS cartridge owned by the NLS library. And, that should not be done because it isn't your personal property.

However, blank NLS cartridges are available for legal purchase. And, like all USB drives, they can become corrupt and need to be formatted.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Well, I guess formatting the cartrage is a quick way to get rid of all
the stuff on it. And there are certain folders that windows won't
delete; "System Volume Information" for example. I don't know what
that's even for anyway. Just something to waste space.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 11:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Tell me why you should have to format an NLS cartridge. But if you
really do, it should be phat 32. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Hi all,
I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer. It offers
four different types of format. I'm wondering which one I should choose?

Thanks.
Howard










Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Gene
 

First, you made a general statement in your previous message, not applying to this situation, specifically.  They may be breaking the law in this specific instance. 
 
Second, you are making general statements that are unsupportable because they are general where such generalizations can't correctly be made.  Braille is and will always be the best way to look something up?  What kind of Braille, paper Braille or computer Braille.  No sighted person would say that a print book is anywhere near as efficient to look something up with as a word processor document or a web page or an Internet search. 
 
With Braille, just as with print, the point is what you use to look something up, not whether it is Braille or print.  You can read the results using a Braille display with a computer or listen with speech.  They are both fast and there is little, difference, there may be a slight difference at times, such as checking the spelling of a word if you are checking the spelling to learn it for yourself.  It may be faster often, to use a Braille display for this purpose. 
 
But you simply can't maintain that paper Braille can compare in efficiency even remotely, to using a computer. 
 
Obviously, the serial number should be in Braille.  Braille should be available for those who want it.  You don't know how many people want it and a company can, rightly, make this optional if they tell people that Braille is available.  its obviously cheaper to have material available in a computer document.  I used the example of an audio file not because it is the desirable format, but to demonstrate that the law isn't dictatorial or specific.  Reasonable is the important word.  and reasonable doesn't dictate how something id done, other than that it is reasonable.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

    Heather is right if you can't use audio then yes they do have to provide braille they just don't want to comply with the ada they just want to take the easy out because they are lazy and don't care how would they feel if one day they find themselves blind and they can't get braille.  For us it's always just use audio or go on line but the sighted have print but we are denied the writen word when braille is the best sulution for blind people.  Just try to look somthing up on an audio cd or find it on line.  Lets not forget that some people don't have unlimited data if they do have internet.  There is just not only one sulution that is best for everyone but to them there is.  Braille is and will always be the best way to look somthing up just as sighted people use print.  Try telling sighted people to just use audio or go on line.  Not everyone has on line access.  aAny company that sells products for the blind and refuses to provide braille should be ashamed of themselves and should be forced to by law.

Brian Sackrider

On 2/13/2020 2:24 PM, heather albright wrote:

I think it is a reasonable accommodation  as I am considered partially deaf blind and I do not get a lot of things threw audio. One of the reasons I was given a electronic braille labeler was because I have mussel weakness and needed a way to use braille. It was noted that, I do not use audio so I needed away to have braille as an alternative instead of say, a pen labeler that uses audio or the hand held labeler which my mussel weakness prevents me from using. I cant use that stupid prescription audio thing, I have to label all my stuff by hand!  So knowing this, how can I be given a medical device, as they coded it, without braille! Is that not why the social security was ordered to provide letters in braille format! I think it falls under the same thing. Heather

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I doubt any law mandates that something be made accessible in that specific a way.  If it is accessible because a document is given that you can use, PDF or otherwise, even an audio file, I think that would satisfy the law.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Well, I was given this device by my insureance provider threw mobility and seating. They purchased it from a rehav place which know one has bothered to tell me wich one. So I called Logan  tec up in Dallas who wanted to send me to a site to download the pdf file. I insisted I get a embossed braille coppy. They are the original makers of the device which is currently sitting on my desk till I get the manual for it. I can only turn it on but, that is all I know how to do. I know what the different parts are but, do not know how to operate it. I am still waiting for my insureance to tell me where exactly they purchased the device from. I hope to get my manual tomorrow. I was thinking, if they bought a device under the medical laws, does the section508 law apply. I was not given materials in my format when I received it.  I will not bother my NFB chapter about this, do not think they would care here, sie! Cheers Heather

 

From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I agree! When our nfb chapter meets next month, I will bring this

up for discussion.  Braille will never die! We will not let it. 

It is the quickest way for us.  It is faster than speech if you

already know it.  You should not have to open an app and aim a

camera that may not read it.  I was not aware that Roger can

braille the manual for his items.  But I am very happy with

Roger.  He puts the serial number in braille on the box.  He

works harder than HumanWare.  But if these agencies claim that

they sell products for us, then they should follow through and

not do half their job.  The product should definitely come with a

braille manual and serial number.  Thank you.

 

Jan

 

 

 

 


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

adam morris
 

Hi Heather,

I have one of these units so happy to help re operations till you get your guide.

The email address to contact them is:

info@...


On 13/02/2020 10:42, heather albright wrote:

Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet.  I really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there infinite  wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing, it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide. Sie! Heather

 

-- 

Adam Morris
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
adam@...


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

brian
 

    Heather is right if you can't use audio then yes they do have to provide braille they just don't want to comply with the ada they just want to take the easy out because they are lazy and don't care how would they feel if one day they find themselves blind and they can't get braille.  For us it's always just use audio or go on line but the sighted have print but we are denied the writen word when braille is the best sulution for blind people.  Just try to look somthing up on an audio cd or find it on line.  Lets not forget that some people don't have unlimited data if they do have internet.  There is just not only one sulution that is best for everyone but to them there is.  Braille is and will always be the best way to look somthing up just as sighted people use print.  Try telling sighted people to just use audio or go on line.  Not everyone has on line access.  aAny company that sells products for the blind and refuses to provide braille should be ashamed of themselves and should be forced to by law.

Brian Sackrider

On 2/13/2020 2:24 PM, heather albright wrote:

I think it is a reasonable accommodation  as I am considered partially deaf blind and I do not get a lot of things threw audio. One of the reasons I was given a electronic braille labeler was because I have mussel weakness and needed a way to use braille. It was noted that, I do not use audio so I needed away to have braille as an alternative instead of say, a pen labeler that uses audio or the hand held labeler which my mussel weakness prevents me from using. I cant use that stupid prescription audio thing, I have to label all my stuff by hand!  So knowing this, how can I be given a medical device, as they coded it, without braille! Is that not why the social security was ordered to provide letters in braille format! I think it falls under the same thing. Heather

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I doubt any law mandates that something be made accessible in that specific a way.  If it is accessible because a document is given that you can use, PDF or otherwise, even an audio file, I think that would satisfy the law.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Well, I was given this device by my insureance provider threw mobility and seating. They purchased it from a rehav place which know one has bothered to tell me wich one. So I called Logan  tec up in Dallas who wanted to send me to a site to download the pdf file. I insisted I get a embossed braille coppy. They are the original makers of the device which is currently sitting on my desk till I get the manual for it. I can only turn it on but, that is all I know how to do. I know what the different parts are but, do not know how to operate it. I am still waiting for my insureance to tell me where exactly they purchased the device from. I hope to get my manual tomorrow. I was thinking, if they bought a device under the medical laws, does the section508 law apply. I was not given materials in my format when I received it.  I will not bother my NFB chapter about this, do not think they would care here, sie! Cheers Heather

 

From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I agree! When our nfb chapter meets next month, I will bring this

up for discussion.  Braille will never die! We will not let it. 

It is the quickest way for us.  It is faster than speech if you

already know it.  You should not have to open an app and aim a

camera that may not read it.  I was not aware that Roger can

braille the manual for his items.  But I am very happy with

Roger.  He puts the serial number in braille on the box.  He

works harder than HumanWare.  But if these agencies claim that

they sell products for us, then they should follow through and

not do half their job.  The product should definitely come with a

braille manual and serial number.  Thank you.

 

Jan

 

 

 

 


Re: NLS cartrage

James Bentley
 

Hi,

OK, I'm just guessing here. Maybe Pamela is thinking that you want to format a NLS cartridge owned by the NLS library. And, that should not be done because it isn't your personal property.

However, blank NLS cartridges are available for legal purchase. And, like all USB drives, they can become corrupt and need to be formatted.

Cheers,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Well, I guess formatting the cartrage is a quick way to get rid of all
the stuff on it. And there are certain folders that windows won't
delete; "System Volume Information" for example. I don't know what
that's even for anyway. Just something to waste space.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 11:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Tell me why you should have to format an NLS cartridge. But if you
really do, it should be phat 32. Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Hi all,
I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer. It offers
four different types of format. I'm wondering which one I should choose?

Thanks.
Howard






Re: NLS cartrage

Howard Traxler
 

Well, I guess formatting the cartrage is a quick way to get rid of all the stuff on it.  And there are certain folders that windows won't delete; "System Volume Information" for example.  I don't know what that's even for anyway.  Just something to waste space.

Howard

On 2/13/2020 11:42 AM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
Tell me why you should have to format an NLS cartridge.  But if you really do, it should be phat 32.  Pam.

-----Original Message----- From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage

Hi all,
I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer.  It offers
four different types of format.  I'm wondering which one I should choose?

Thanks.
Howard





Re: 6 dot braille label maker

heather albright
 

Oh, just wondering what does googling something have to do with needing a brailled serial number being placed on a braille device! Or why should I be disappointed that I was not given a braille manual or even a braille guide to go with my braille only device! It is a “braille,” oriented device that came with a “print manual,” and a “print serial number,” on the bottom of a braille oriented device. How many sighted people do you see walking around with a braille labeler that does not have a spec of print accept for that lovely serial number on the bottom that I am told one has to have super vision to read! Cheers Heather

 

From: Tim Grady
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Don’t you know how to google info?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 6:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet.  I really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there infinite  wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing, it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide. Sie! Heather

 

 


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

heather albright
 

I did google info woe. Afterall  that is how I found the device and was able to get my insureance to get it for me. So I called today to see about that braille manual and than I asked about why they did not bother to label the serial number on the unit and this is an exact quote:

“I don’t know why they did not label with braille Heather!”  SO there’s the answer! They do not care! They did not say, Oh that is a good idea, I will mention it for future orders or, well, that is a good point, maybe we can start for future orders etc.  

 So for all those who want a number to logan tec:

(866) 962-0966. Do not bother e-mailing, think the e-mail thing is broke; I have been e-mailing for a while and it always took me to a 404 page. You do better calling to get answers.

 For anyone who has a documented medical need, independent living aids and  mobility and seating just two companies that accept prescriptions to obtain this device! I am sure there are others but, these are the two I came across off hand. My primary doctor did my prescription but, I had my neurologist and rehab specialist chiming in too. It did take a year to get the device. But, that is usually how insureance goes right? Cheers Heather

 

 

From: Tim Grady
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

It is made by a guy that originally made products for his autistic son.  It

was featured in a podcast from blind bargains a few years ago.  Ask them.

 

-----Original Message-----

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann

Parsons

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:27 AM

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Hi all,

 

Heather, I'm glad you got your rant off your chest, but right this second,

it's only a rant.  What is the name of this device?  Who sells it?  When did

you buy it?  Who gave it to you?  If we have this info, we can more easily

publish your problem on public media.  If you received this item from rehab,

let them know you're dissatisfied and why.

 

This is an ongoing problem which I feel should be taken up by ACB and NFB to

get these companies like LS&S and Maxi-Aids to quit sending out items with

only printed information.  Did you know that Humanware places its manual on

its products but does not provide braille hard copy, even for braille

devices like The BrailleNote Touch.  Roger Behm is the *only* vendor of whom

I am aware that automatically includes a braille hard copy start up guide

and he can braille the manual for you too.

 

This kind of deliberate inattentiveness to the needs of consumers is

flagrant all over the place!  The least these companies could do is include

a .brf file in an email.  Heaven forbid they should actually include hard

copy braille instructions and serial numbers for a "six dot braille labeler"

Hello?

 

Yet some of you are willing to let the sighted teachers and rehab people

convince you that you don't need braille any more.  Braille is outdated,

they say.  Yet a consumer can't even read a serial number on a product

specifically designed for use by a braille reader.  C'mon guys, c'mon, we've

got to stop this.  It should be against the law to sell a product

specifically designed for braille readers which doesn't include a braille

manual and all the pertinent information in braille.

 

Ann P.

 

 

Original message:

 

> Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet. I

> really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is

> for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered

> to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to

> emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial

> number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was

> when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there

> infinite wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am

> not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could

> read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I

> could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was

> off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the

> heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do

> not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who

> are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have

> sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing,

> it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet

> as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide.

> Sie! Heather

 

>

 

--

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

EMAIL:  akp@...

Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/

Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info

Skype: Putertutor

 

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Alex Stone
 

Tim, unfortunately some people can’t, but I suspect giving them a hard time about it is unlikely to encourage them to learn.


On 13 Feb 2020, at 19:57, Tim Grady <timfgrady758@...> wrote:



Don’t you know how to google info?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 6:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet.  I really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there infinite  wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing, it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide. Sie! Heather

 


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Gene
 

In your case, that may be considered reasonable and other forms might not.  I don't know that much about how the law is interpreted or written.  But the message I responded to was making a blanket statement about reasonable accomodation, which is not correct.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

I think it is a reasonable accommodation  as I am considered partially deaf blind and I do not get a lot of things threw audio. One of the reasons I was given a electronic braille labeler was because I have mussel weakness and needed a way to use braille. It was noted that, I do not use audio so I needed away to have braille as an alternative instead of say, a pen labeler that uses audio or the hand held labeler which my mussel weakness prevents me from using. I cant use that stupid prescription audio thing, I have to label all my stuff by hand!  So knowing this, how can I be given a medical device, as they coded it, without braille! Is that not why the social security was ordered to provide letters in braille format! I think it falls under the same thing. Heather

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I doubt any law mandates that something be made accessible in that specific a way.  If it is accessible because a document is given that you can use, PDF or otherwise, even an audio file, I think that would satisfy the law.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Well, I was given this device by my insureance provider threw mobility and seating. They purchased it from a rehav place which know one has bothered to tell me wich one. So I called Logan  tec up in Dallas who wanted to send me to a site to download the pdf file. I insisted I get a embossed braille coppy. They are the original makers of the device which is currently sitting on my desk till I get the manual for it. I can only turn it on but, that is all I know how to do. I know what the different parts are but, do not know how to operate it. I am still waiting for my insureance to tell me where exactly they purchased the device from. I hope to get my manual tomorrow. I was thinking, if they bought a device under the medical laws, does the section508 law apply. I was not given materials in my format when I received it.  I will not bother my NFB chapter about this, do not think they would care here, sie! Cheers Heather

 

From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I agree! When our nfb chapter meets next month, I will bring this

up for discussion.  Braille will never die! We will not let it. 

It is the quickest way for us.  It is faster than speech if you

already know it.  You should not have to open an app and aim a

camera that may not read it.  I was not aware that Roger can

braille the manual for his items.  But I am very happy with

Roger.  He puts the serial number in braille on the box.  He

works harder than HumanWare.  But if these agencies claim that

they sell products for us, then they should follow through and

not do half their job.  The product should definitely come with a

braille manual and serial number.  Thank you.

 

Jan

 

 

 

 


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Tim Grady <timfgrady758@...>
 

Don’t you know how to google info?

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of heather albright
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 6:43 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet.  I really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there infinite  wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing, it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide. Sie! Heather

 


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

Tim Grady <timfgrady758@...>
 

It is made by a guy that originally made products for his autistic son. It
was featured in a podcast from blind bargains a few years ago. Ask them.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:27 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

Hi all,

Heather, I'm glad you got your rant off your chest, but right this second,
it's only a rant. What is the name of this device? Who sells it? When did
you buy it? Who gave it to you? If we have this info, we can more easily
publish your problem on public media. If you received this item from rehab,
let them know you're dissatisfied and why.

This is an ongoing problem which I feel should be taken up by ACB and NFB to
get these companies like LS&S and Maxi-Aids to quit sending out items with
only printed information. Did you know that Humanware places its manual on
its products but does not provide braille hard copy, even for braille
devices like The BrailleNote Touch. Roger Behm is the *only* vendor of whom
I am aware that automatically includes a braille hard copy start up guide
and he can braille the manual for you too.

This kind of deliberate inattentiveness to the needs of consumers is
flagrant all over the place! The least these companies could do is include
a .brf file in an email. Heaven forbid they should actually include hard
copy braille instructions and serial numbers for a "six dot braille labeler"
Hello?

Yet some of you are willing to let the sighted teachers and rehab people
convince you that you don't need braille any more. Braille is outdated,
they say. Yet a consumer can't even read a serial number on a product
specifically designed for use by a braille reader. C'mon guys, c'mon, we've
got to stop this. It should be against the law to sell a product
specifically designed for braille readers which doesn't include a braille
manual and all the pertinent information in braille.

Ann P.


Original message:

Hi am not to pleased with this thing and have not even used it yet. I
really wish there was a e-mail to send my complaint too! So this is
for the blind person who reads braille and they cant even be bothered
to include a braille product guide to the unit! They are to lazy to
emboss the serial number on the back of the unit however, the serial
number is in print and the manual is in print too. So the catch was
when I called to ask where the braille guide was, they in there
infinite wisdom asked me the blind user for a serial number. So I am
not lazy so I had to pull out my app off my phone to see if it could
read it. Apparently it was written on a shiny area on the back and I
could not get my app to capture the serial number or the lighting was
off who knows. So if you can put braille on the unit all over, why the
heck cant you emboss the serial number too. I am blind not stupid I do
not need it to say six dot all over the unit once was enough. So Who
are the morons who provide braille items and still expect you to have
sighted assistance in 2020? I am glad I did not purchase this thing,
it was given to me as a medical device! A device I still cant use yet
as I have to wait for snail male to get my embossed braille guide.
Sie! Heather
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: NLS cartrage

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

You want fat32.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: 6 dot braille label maker

heather albright
 

I think it is a reasonable accommodation  as I am considered partially deaf blind and I do not get a lot of things threw audio. One of the reasons I was given a electronic braille labeler was because I have mussel weakness and needed a way to use braille. It was noted that, I do not use audio so I needed away to have braille as an alternative instead of say, a pen labeler that uses audio or the hand held labeler which my mussel weakness prevents me from using. I cant use that stupid prescription audio thing, I have to label all my stuff by hand!  So knowing this, how can I be given a medical device, as they coded it, without braille! Is that not why the social security was ordered to provide letters in braille format! I think it falls under the same thing. Heather

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I doubt any law mandates that something be made accessible in that specific a way.  If it is accessible because a document is given that you can use, PDF or otherwise, even an audio file, I think that would satisfy the law.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

Well, I was given this device by my insureance provider threw mobility and seating. They purchased it from a rehav place which know one has bothered to tell me wich one. So I called Logan  tec up in Dallas who wanted to send me to a site to download the pdf file. I insisted I get a embossed braille coppy. They are the original makers of the device which is currently sitting on my desk till I get the manual for it. I can only turn it on but, that is all I know how to do. I know what the different parts are but, do not know how to operate it. I am still waiting for my insureance to tell me where exactly they purchased the device from. I hope to get my manual tomorrow. I was thinking, if they bought a device under the medical laws, does the section508 law apply. I was not given materials in my format when I received it.  I will not bother my NFB chapter about this, do not think they would care here, sie! Cheers Heather

 

From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 7:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 6 dot braille label maker

 

I agree! When our nfb chapter meets next month, I will bring this

up for discussion.  Braille will never die! We will not let it. 

It is the quickest way for us.  It is faster than speech if you

already know it.  You should not have to open an app and aim a

camera that may not read it.  I was not aware that Roger can

braille the manual for his items.  But I am very happy with

Roger.  He puts the serial number in braille on the box.  He

works harder than HumanWare.  But if these agencies claim that

they sell products for us, then they should follow through and

not do half their job.  The product should definitely come with a

braille manual and serial number.  Thank you.

 

Jan

 

 

 

 


Re: NLS cartrage

Richard <thegothot@...>
 

To identify the file format of any drive,open the properties with Alt Enter,
then use your screen-reader's review cursor to locate the type of file
system.
If you are using Jaws, this would be the Jaws cursor.

HTH,
Rick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <htraxler7@gmail.com>
To: "TechTalk" <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 11:26 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] NLS cartrage


Hi all,
I'm trying to format an NLS cartrage on my Win10 computer. It offers
four different types of format. I'm wondering which one I should choose?

Thanks.
Howard

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