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Announcement: Accessibility Webinar from Comcast; February 24

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Xfinity TV: Simple, Easy, Awesome…for All

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Join members of the Comcast Accessibility Team on Monday, February 24 at 1:00 PM, EST for a free web conference live from the Comcast Accessibility Lab. We’ll demonstrate the latest Accessibility enhancements on Xfinity X1 and the Xfinity Stream iOS App that empower blind and low vision customers, including:

·         Using Voice Guidance, the X1 Talking Guide

·         Finding and watching shows with video description

·         Shortcuts for common accessibility options

·         Using Stream with Voiceover on iOS

·         Exciting new features for Xfinity Internet customers

 

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Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Gene
 

I think the real thing to get used to will be the keyboard itself, with its smaller keys and different action than a desktop keyboard. 
 
My laptop only has one Windows key and I suspect that is common.  I can see where you might want a right Windows key but I never changed anything because I don't want to lose any key function that is already available.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Hi, Gene, yes, the laptop has the num-pad. 

I rather thought that often I would use the laptop with an external keyboard like the one on my pc, to just cut down on my possible frustrations. but there would be times that I would want to just drop an email, or write something brief.

In any event, I'm sure my upcoming fun with a laptop will require help from the list.

Thanks so much.

Penny



On 2/20/2020 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
Does the laptop have a numpad?  If so, you may not find a need to reassign anything.  If it doesn't have one, you can buy a USB numpad if you want to use one.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Hi.  I just got a laptop and haven't begun to fight, as it were.

But tell me, or us, if you wish, what you've renamed.   Inquiring minds
want to know.

The first thing I did was to have a friend turn off the mouse pad. 
Sorry, I did get that done by a sighted friend of mine. Could I have
done it myself?  Yes, but it was tricky for him, and he works I T day in
and day out every day.  Could I have done it on my own?  Probably; but
it would have been a time-waster.  And that is why I do sometimes have
things done for me.

I don't have to prove anything to myself. I can do many things I choose
not to do, because doing them would complicate life; and not doing them
does not make me less capable.

Sorry, but that's my take on this.

And to nail it down, I just love BeMyEyes.  It is so delightful to have
someone do a little reading or identifying. the other evening late, I
spoke to an american in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.  two nights later, I spoke
to a delightful lady in Iran.

Pen



On 2/20/2020 11:20 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
> I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be
> fantastic!  It is easy to use and works perfectly.
>
>
> On 2/20/2020 11:26 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>> I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
>> called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap,
>> and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace
>> it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation
>> at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me
>> know if you don't find it on Google.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@...> wrote:
>>> The subject says it all.  Are there any such programs?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich De Steno
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>





Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Penny Golden
 

Hi, Gene, yes, the laptop has the num-pad. 

I rather thought that often I would use the laptop with an external keyboard like the one on my pc, to just cut down on my possible frustrations. but there would be times that I would want to just drop an email, or write something brief.

In any event, I'm sure my upcoming fun with a laptop will require help from the list.

Thanks so much.

Penny



On 2/20/2020 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:
Does the laptop have a numpad?  If so, you may not find a need to reassign anything.  If it doesn't have one, you can buy a USB numpad if you want to use one.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Hi.  I just got a laptop and haven't begun to fight, as it were.

But tell me, or us, if you wish, what you've renamed.   Inquiring minds
want to know.

The first thing I did was to have a friend turn off the mouse pad. 
Sorry, I did get that done by a sighted friend of mine. Could I have
done it myself?  Yes, but it was tricky for him, and he works I T day in
and day out every day.  Could I have done it on my own?  Probably; but
it would have been a time-waster.  And that is why I do sometimes have
things done for me.

I don't have to prove anything to myself. I can do many things I choose
not to do, because doing them would complicate life; and not doing them
does not make me less capable.

Sorry, but that's my take on this.

And to nail it down, I just love BeMyEyes.  It is so delightful to have
someone do a little reading or identifying. the other evening late, I
spoke to an american in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.  two nights later, I spoke
to a delightful lady in Iran.

Pen



On 2/20/2020 11:20 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
> I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be
> fantastic!  It is easy to use and works perfectly.
>
>
> On 2/20/2020 11:26 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>> I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
>> called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap,
>> and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace
>> it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation
>> at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me
>> know if you don't find it on Google.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@...> wrote:
>>> The subject says it all.  Are there any such programs?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich De Steno
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>





locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Gene
 

Such a phone may become more popular in future years as the cost becomes more reasonable and the technology improves.  For now, its an early adopter toy, which is the way so many products begin.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

And, wow, you could get two iPhone 11's with AT&T contract for $21.57 for 30 months, which would equal that $1,300 dollars - getting two phones with higher trade value down the line.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I’m sure it is smart and it flips.

But holy moly, 1300 u s dollars and then you have to pay x dollars a month to use it!!

Great for those with money to burn.

I purchased a second-hand I phone for 20 per cent of that price and it does way more than what I need from a smart  phone.There’s more than one reason to call it a wallet phone.

…and on that note,  I fold…

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-20-20 8:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited@...>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@...>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@... <mailto:missktlab1217@...>









Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Gene
 

Does the laptop have a numpad?  If so, you may not find a need to reassign anything.  If it doesn't have one, you can buy a USB numpad if you want to use one.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Hi.  I just got a laptop and haven't begun to fight, as it were.

But tell me, or us, if you wish, what you've renamed.   Inquiring minds
want to know.

The first thing I did was to have a friend turn off the mouse pad. 
Sorry, I did get that done by a sighted friend of mine. Could I have
done it myself?  Yes, but it was tricky for him, and he works I T day in
and day out every day.  Could I have done it on my own?  Probably; but
it would have been a time-waster.  And that is why I do sometimes have
things done for me.

I don't have to prove anything to myself. I can do many things I choose
not to do, because doing them would complicate life; and not doing them
does not make me less capable.

Sorry, but that's my take on this.

And to nail it down, I just love BeMyEyes.  It is so delightful to have
someone do a little reading or identifying. the other evening late, I
spoke to an american in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.  two nights later, I spoke
to a delightful lady in Iran.

Pen



On 2/20/2020 11:20 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
> I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be
> fantastic!  It is easy to use and works perfectly.
>
>
> On 2/20/2020 11:26 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>> I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
>> called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap,
>> and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace
>> it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation
>> at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me
>> know if you don't find it on Google.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@...> wrote:
>>> The subject says it all.  Are there any such programs?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich De Steno
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>




locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

I had an Android tablet and did read articles and a couple
of books on it, something I have not done on my iPhone other
than some news articles, emails or texts, stuff like that. I
read a couple of books on that tablet, tricky, because I was
winging it without help. I might have stayed with Android,
had that tablet not had a keyboard, which I could have
removed. That keyboard, to me, was so clumsy, that I never
want another one for a touch-screen device.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Gerald, I was 18 months old when blindness set in due to
measles. I don't recall what anyone's face looks like; I
can't blink or make any expressions with my eyes; I can't
MOVE MY EYES, look down, left or right as the
ophthalmologists at the eye clinic try to make me do when I
present for checkup. Colors are just that, I've never seen
them, and so I don't make sense of them. Yet, people talk
about colors all the time.

Ok, silly child, why go through this charade? I have done
so to refute your argument that those of us who are blind
using touchscreen toys do so with sighted assistance and or
help.

Sorry sir, this is NOT THE CASE with me! My touchscreen toy
HAS NO PHYSICAL BUTTONS of any kind and I use it unperturbed
with NO SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND HELP! I took my Shiny
Android Toy OUT OF THE BOX and got it going ALL ON MY OWN
sitting at my desk at work. And, yes, I'm THE ONLY EMPLOYEE
here until I fire myself!

For the records, I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT in
anything; I am CONSTANTLY LEARNING and seeking for ways to
learn. I start out by trying to explore anything on my own;
when I get stuck, I ask questions either here on this list,
or some other lists I roam on, but I don't go around looking
for sighted help until I have exhausted my channels within
the blind community.


All that said, is there an area where I fall short? Sure!
I'm not too good at using my toy to scan and read printed
materials; I suppose this has to do with my spatial
orientation; I'm working on it on my own presently.
However, if I don't hatch it down within the period I have
allotted, I'll seek sighted assistance for this purpose
only.

Apologies for making this post rather long; I, like several
others, had to write to dispel the notion that blind users
of touchscreen toys are heavily reliant on folks with a pair
of eyes! Of course, I belong to the school which believes
that if an individual is visually impaired and has
sufficient residual vision, this should be used always to
the maximum extent possible.
Any such individual should NEVER PERMIT anyone to PULL
SLEEPSHADES over his or her face for any reason. I still
have LIGHT PERCEPTION which is slowly going away. I do
enjoy being able to use it and I'll never participate in any
rehabilitative training skill or program that seeks to force
me to wear sleepshades.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Right on, Marie.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 11:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I have no experience with the foldable Samsun but I am totally blind and use the newest IPhone which only has buttons on the sides for volume and power. I have no problem using the phone with no home button and I did not have any assistance learning to use it except for some written instructions.
And I know quite a few totally blind users of this phone.
Marie

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.






Gerald






On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:


Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

Gene
----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald






On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.

https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa Belville
To: Tech Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

I am as blind as the wall in front of me and use my iPhone every single day. Incidentaly, it does not have a Home Button.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?




I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.








Gerald








On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:


Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

Gene
----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.




Gerald








On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.

https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>
To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

And, wow, you could get two iPhone 11's with AT&T contract for $21.57 for 30 months, which would equal that $1,300 dollars - getting two phones with higher trade value down the line.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I’m sure it is smart and it flips.

But holy moly, 1300 u s dollars and then you have to pay x dollars a month to use it!!

Great for those with money to burn.

I purchased a second-hand I phone for 20 per cent of that price and it does way more than what I need from a smart phone.There’s more than one reason to call it a wallet phone.

…and on that note, I fold…

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February-20-20 8:41 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?



You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.



Gene

----- Origial Message -----

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io>

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?





According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.



Gerald





On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,



I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.



https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884






Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>

To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>


Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Penny Golden
 

Hi.  I just got a laptop and haven't begun to fight, as it were.

But tell me, or us, if you wish, what you've renamed.   Inquiring minds want to know.

The first thing I did was to have a friend turn off the mouse pad.  Sorry, I did get that done by a sighted friend of mine. Could I have done it myself?  Yes, but it was tricky for him, and he works I T day in and day out every day.  Could I have done it on my own?  Probably; but it would have been a time-waster.  And that is why I do sometimes have things done for me.

I don't have to prove anything to myself. I can do many things I choose not to do, because doing them would complicate life; and not doing them does not make me less capable.

Sorry, but that's my take on this.

And to nail it down, I just love BeMyEyes.  It is so delightful to have someone do a little reading or identifying. the other evening late, I spoke to an american in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.  two nights later, I spoke to a delightful lady in Iran.

Pen

On 2/20/2020 11:20 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be fantastic!  It is easy to use and works perfectly.


On 2/20/2020 11:26 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap,
and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace
it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation
at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me
know if you don't find it on Google.

Joe

On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@gmail.com> wrote:
The subject says it all.  Are there any such programs?

--
Rich De Steno





Mail app question

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I have set up one of my gmail email accounts as IMAP in the mail app. I have set it to down load the messages from last three months, but it only downloads current mail. What am I doing wrong.


Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Rich DeSteno
 

I did indeed find this key-remapping program and I find it to be fantastic!  It is easy to use and works perfectly.

On 2/20/2020 11:26 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap,
and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace
it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation
at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me
know if you don't find it on Google.

Joe

On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@gmail.com> wrote:
The subject says it all.  Are there any such programs?

--
Rich De Steno




--
Rich De Steno


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Norma A. Boge
 

Ok. I’ve used only Android phones, got my first one in 2014. I’ve been totally blind for 30 years. I’ve never had a phone with a physical home button. Some of us need to quit making these mass generalizations about the capabilities of others. It’s just dumb to do it. Best, Norma

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Dowling
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:29 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi everyone:

I am totally blind, and have been since birth.

Gerald, what your saying is just, bazar...

Of course blind people can use a phone without buttons.

After the introduction of the iPhone 10, apple implemented a way for VoiceOver users to go to the home screen, and app switcher.

I went from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 11.

Don't forget about the 2016 macbook pro with its touch bar which apple also made accessible with VoiceOver.

I'm not an android user, but I'm sure companies like Samsung have made ways of making there phones accessible with services like TalkBack and that other screen reader samsung themselves developed.

if you can, I would suggest going to your local apple store and checking out the new phones. There really easy to use once you get the hang of sliding up to go home instead of pushing buttons.

then again, maybe since I'm so used to change, I really don't think about stuff like that lol.

 

John.

 



On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:



 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 

 

You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.

 

Gene

----- Origial Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,

 

I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.

 


 

 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

 

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...



locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Gerald, I was 18 months old when blindness set in due to measles. I don't
recall what anyone's face looks like; I can't blink or make any expressions
with my eyes; I can't MOVE MY EYES, look down, left or right as the
ophthalmologists at the eye clinic try to make me do when I present for
checkup. Colors are just that, I've never seen them, and so I don't make
sense of them. Yet, people talk about colors all the time.

Ok, silly child, why go through this charade? I have done so to refute your
argument that those of us who are blind using touchscreen toys do so with
sighted assistance and or help.

Sorry sir, this is NOT THE CASE with me! My touchscreen toy HAS NO PHYSICAL
BUTTONS of any kind and I use it unperturbed with NO SIGHTED ASSISTANCE AND
HELP! I took my Shiny Android Toy OUT OF THE BOX and got it going ALL ON MY
OWN sitting at my desk at work. And, yes, I'm THE ONLY EMPLOYEE here until
I fire myself!

For the records, I DO NOT CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT in anything; I am
CONSTANTLY LEARNING and seeking for ways to learn. I start out by trying to
explore anything on my own; when I get stuck, I ask questions either here on
this list, or some other lists I roam on, but I don't go around looking for
sighted help until I have exhausted my channels within the blind community.


All that said, is there an area where I fall short? Sure! I'm not too good
at using my toy to scan and read printed materials; I suppose this has to do
with my spatial orientation; I'm working on it on my own presently.
However, if I don't hatch it down within the period I have allotted, I'll
seek sighted assistance for this purpose only.

Apologies for making this post rather long; I, like several others, had to
write to dispel the notion that blind users of touchscreen toys are heavily
reliant on folks with a pair of eyes! Of course, I belong to the school
which believes that if an individual is visually impaired and has sufficient
residual vision, this should be used always to the maximum extent possible.
Any such individual should NEVER PERMIT anyone to PULL SLEEPSHADES over his
or her face for any reason. I still have LIGHT PERCEPTION which is slowly
going away. I do enjoy being able to use it and I'll never participate in
any rehabilitative training skill or program that seeks to force me to wear
sleepshades.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I have no experience with the foldable Samsun but I am totally blind and use the newest IPhone which only has buttons on the sides for volume and power. I have no problem using the phone with no home button and I did not have any assistance learning to use it except for some written instructions.
And I know quite a few totally blind users of this phone.
Marie
 

From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 7:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
 

 

I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 
 
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
 
Gene
----- Origial Message -----
From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
 

 

According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Lisa,
 
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.
 

 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa Belville
To: Tech Talk
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
 
Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...




Re: Accessible Program for Remapping Keys on Laptop

Joe Orozco
 

I didn't see anyone respond to this email. Yes, there's a program
called Sharp Keys. In one column you pick the key you want to remap,
and in the second column you pick the key function you want to replace
it with. Make sure you set your screen reader to read all punctuation
at least temporarily so that you can hear the exact key names. Let me
know if you don't find it on Google.

Joe

On 2/7/20, Rich DeSteno <axcruncher@gmail.com> wrote:
The subject says it all.  Are there any such programs?

--
Rich De Steno





locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Pamela Dominguez
 

But they are coming back with a revised version. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

It bombed I am sure like most of that sort of thing does. The price
was probably out of this world. Anyways on the subject of this
foldable phone this is just second gen tech, so I am sure it has some
growing to do. I feel like they will get it right though. I would
still try it because it's something different. Also phones with
buttons not a big deal to me these days. I miss the days of phones
with nice keyboards but it's not what most people care about so they
will not be made much anymore.

On 2/20/20, jan howells via Groups.Io <gale7978=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
A While ago, I have heard about a combo smart phone with a keypad
with buttons at the bottom, and a touch screen at the top with a
small braille display at the bottom. Does anyone know whatever
became of that, or did it bomb? LOL! I think that the had ten or
12 cells. So it could be used by the touch screen with the
little braille display, or the buttons. I thought that it was
going to be available in 2020. Has anyone heard? Thank you.

Jan




--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Pontes Media Downloaded Issue

Joe Orozco
 

Does anyone have a link to download the older version? Thanks in advance.--Joe

On 2/19/20, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi George,

I did reinstall the program and it now works fine.


On 2/19/2020 9:57 AM, George McCoy wrote:
Ron,


Version 3.1.1 is, in many ways, a step backward.  You get almost no
feedback about downloads in progress, so it's hard to know whether a
download is taking place or not.

You might try the following:

Open Pontes Media Downloader 3.1.1.

Press ctrl plus u to update the download engine.

Click the ok button when the update finishes and try your download again.


Hth,

George


On 2/18/2020 4:54 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

For the past day or so, I have been unable to get anything from
Youtube to download using the latest version of Pontes Media
Downloader.  Has anyone else had this issue and if so, is there a
solution?

Thanks in advance for any help.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"





locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Lisa Belville
 

Thank you, Mike, this is probably it.  Dad is sighted, but not used to smart technology beyond his Windows 10 laptop and his smart TV, but I think he would be interested in at least checking this phone out.


Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...
On 2/19/2020 8:20 PM, Mike B wrote:


Hi Lisa,
 
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.
 

 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...




locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

John Dowling <1008jmd@...>
 

Hi everyone:
I am totally blind, and have been since birth.
Gerald, what your saying is just, bazar...
Of course blind people can use a phone without buttons.
After the introduction of the iPhone 10, apple implemented a way for VoiceOver users to go to the home screen, and app switcher.
I went from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 11.
Don't forget about the 2016 macbook pro with its touch bar which apple also made accessible with VoiceOver.
I'm not an android user, but I'm sure companies like Samsung have made ways of making there phones accessible with services like TalkBack and that other screen reader samsung themselves developed.
if you can, I would suggest going to your local apple store and checking out the new phones. There really easy to use once you get the hang of sliding up to go home instead of pushing buttons.
then again, maybe since I'm so used to change, I really don't think about stuff like that lol.

John.



On Feb 20, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:




I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen.  Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.  

 


Gerald



On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before.  Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.  Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating.  I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? 
 
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
 
Gene
----- Origial Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?


According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet.  But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag.  And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons.  This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.


Gerald



On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi Lisa,
 
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company  producing it.  From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be!  LOL  LOL  Check out the link below for a review.
 

 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi, all.


My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?


TIA


Lisa


--
Lisa Belville
missktlab1217@...



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