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When I was 10 years old a girl gave me a valentine card. She asked her friend how to spell Chris, and her friend told her, c h r I s t. 43 years later we are still close friends, and I never let her forget who she’s talking to, lol.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: February 21, 2020 6:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? ...And I once referred to another Chris on another list by accidentally adding a T to his name as in Chris = Christ. Until the day he died, he never let me forget it. What bad hings happen over simple typos.
On 2/21/2020 4:44 PM, John Dowling wrote: Gerald, I wasn't around for windows 95, but I did come along during windows 2000, and I remember using windows xp during 3rd grade lol. Man, I feel so old, although, I think I'm the youngest on this list, I'm 19. No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do it again. Gerald On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote: Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he? Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it? And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can never happen. Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote: Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says? So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place? Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote: Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by: - Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you. Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech. Gerald On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote: That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try. Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: February 21, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? No, but he can surely try the patience of Jobe. Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he? Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it? And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can never happen. Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote: Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says? So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place? Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote: Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by: - Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you. Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech. Gerald On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote: That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try. Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
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Well, no way to really know for sure.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: February 21, 2020 4:35 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Surely he isn’t really Christ, is he? Christ Gerald, that’s true of everything, isn’t it? And why do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone. Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like this can never happen. Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone wrote: Why do you insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone says? So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place? Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote: Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by: - Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you. Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech. Gerald On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote: That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try. Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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And for all you iPhone users, in all seriousness, how many times have your IPhones crashed? I can state with confidence that I can count the times my Phone has crashed on 1 hand, and this is after almost 11 years of using one.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: February 21, 2020 2:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi Gerald,
Usually I respect your cynicism, but in this case, I have to disagree. You are talking a lot about the fact that a smart phone can crash and you have major problems without speech. This of course is true, but if I had the amount f money I spent on correcting my old fashion Windows PC with the Microsoft Windows operating system, I could take a month vacation ti Tahiti.
So what is your point? All things made by human beings can crash for everyone: sighted, blind and even Yogi Bear.
On 2/21/2020 7:15 AM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote: So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place? Gerald On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote: Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused by: - Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when the device is new to you. Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech. Gerald On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote: That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try. Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...> wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. ----- Origial Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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The thread is ending by itself. If it doesn't
produce new useful information but continues, I'll ask that it end.
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Is there any chance that we could possibly move on from this thread?
It's getting out of hand and I have had over 75 plus messages with this
topic. It's just my take on it. If the discussion needs to continue,
can you possibly change the subject line? Thanks!
Shelly
On 2/21/2020 9:51 AM, Gene wrote:
You don't know that. Interesting how
someone with absolutely no experience has so many opinions on something he
chooses to know nothing about from a standpoint of practical experience.
Mix apples and oranges? If your mother board fails, please explain how
having a tactile keyboard makes speech easier to obtain or how it is easier to
diagnose the probem?
If your sound card fails and you don't have a USB
sound card or a USB headset, explain the same thing. There are certain
instances where having a physical keyboard would make solving a problem
easier. But these rare instances are no reason not to use a smart
phone. And a smart phone with a keypad can certainly fail in ways that
make having the keypad useless in trying to solve the problem.
You have followed these lists long enough to know
that no matter what you use, some problems require sighted assistance and that
is no reason not to use such products. If Windows becomes corrupted and
doesn't fully boot and displays an error message, please explain to me how you
are going to read it unless you have an optacon, which very few blind people
have. Again, begging the question just to support your
bias.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A smart
phone doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind consumer to resolve a
problem without sighted help. Don't mix Apples with oraanges. (pun
intended)
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:
He is not saying that. Your computer's
mother board can develop a problem and the computer won't function at
all. I don't see you begging the question about your computer or
implying that you shouldn't use a computer. Sooner or later, it all
comes down to this, no matter how often you discuss such topics and ask such
questions, after a point, you are simply begging the question and setting up
straw men because you are irremediably biased against smart phones.
Your questions in the beginning of such
discussions may serve a useful purpose because there may be people who are
worried about trying such phones and people give answers that may be
reassuring. But beyond a point, you are just indulging your antismart
phone bias. No user who knows something about computers or
minicomputers, which is what smart phones are, would say that loss of speech
is impossible, A component may fail, something may become corrupted,
and that is true of any computer or minicomputer. That is no reason
not to use one. The brakes could fail when you are in a car, but do
you ride busses or cabs? assessing risk is a risk/benefit
evaluation. If the risk is low enough and the benefitsworht the risk,
people constantly do activities with some risk. Almost any activity
has at least a very small amount of risk.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible
for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes
like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest
IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you
locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge
wrote:
Yes, but once you
learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually caused
by:
- Speech
being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice
over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on, or
pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
- Voice
over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then
pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than they seem when
the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no
speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over without
sighted help if you have no idea what's causing the problem in the first
place? No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems
that could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an IPhone
since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you
that I am really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion
that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at
15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all,
but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate
around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to
use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help.
Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and
Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing
about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new
Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene
wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen
on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the
I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination
doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the
screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm
not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an
I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?
You often
state the worst case interpretation of
situations.
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Sent: Thursday,
February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip
Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone
employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and
flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in
tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it,
especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would
probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even
unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones:
eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for
a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot
of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
wrote:
I heard
about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the company producing
it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it
sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn
well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below
for a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my
iBarstool.
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Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi,
all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his
old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same
body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of
a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this
type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier,
etc?
TIA
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Is there any chance that we could possibly move on from this
thread? It's getting out of hand and I have had over 75 plus
messages with this topic. It's just my take on it. If the
discussion needs to continue, can you possibly change the subject
line? Thanks!
Shelly
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On 2/21/2020 9:51 AM, Gene wrote:
You don't know that. Interesting
how someone with absolutely no experience has so many opinions
on something he chooses to know nothing about from a
standpoint of practical experience. Mix apples and oranges?
If your mother board fails, please explain how having a
tactile keyboard makes speech easier to obtain or how it is
easier to diagnose the probem?
If your sound card fails and you
don't have a USB sound card or a USB headset, explain the same
thing. There are certain instances where having a physical
keyboard would make solving a problem easier. But these rare
instances are no reason not to use a smart phone. And a smart
phone with a keypad can certainly fail in ways that make
having the keypad useless in trying to solve the problem.
You have followed these lists
long enough to know that no matter what you use, some problems
require sighted assistance and that is no reason not to use
such products. If Windows becomes corrupted and doesn't fully
boot and displays an error message, please explain to me how
you are going to read it unless you have an optacon, which
very few blind people have. Again, begging the question just
to support your bias.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
The difference is that a computer has a tactile keyboard. A
smart phone doesn't, which makes it more difficult for a blind
consumer to resolve a problem without sighted help. Don't mix
Apples with oraanges. (pun intended)
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:
He is not saying that. Your
computer's mother board can develop a problem and the
computer won't function at all. I don't see you begging the
question about your computer or implying that you shouldn't
use a computer. Sooner or later, it all comes down to this,
no matter how often you discuss such topics and ask such
questions, after a point, you are simply begging the
question and setting up straw men because you are
irremediably biased against smart phones.
Your questions in the beginning
of such discussions may serve a useful purpose because there
may be people who are worried about trying such phones and
people give answers that may be reassuring. But beyond a
point, you are just indulging your antismart phone bias. No
user who knows something about computers or minicomputers,
which is what smart phones are, would say that loss of
speech is impossible, A component may fail, something may
become corrupted, and that is true of any computer or
minicomputer. That is no reason not to use one. The brakes
could fail when you are in a car, but do you ride busses or
cabs? assessing risk is a risk/benefit evaluation. If the
risk is low enough and the benefitsworht the risk, people
constantly do activities with some risk. Almost any
activity has at least a very small amount of risk.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is
impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of
speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't
resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have
no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate the
volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge
wrote:
Yes, but once you learn the
device you will learn that loss of speech is usually
caused by:
- Speech being
muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
- Voice over being
turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it
on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the
case of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button
3 times.
- Voice over volume
being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then
pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler
than they seem when the device is new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is
no speech? Then what? How do you restore Voice Over
without sighted help if you have no idea what's causing
the problem in the first place? No operating system, not
even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of
speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
wrote:
That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind
since birth and have used an IPhone since 2009. Give
it a try.
Gerald, I
can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I
take exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20
Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart
phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons
are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired
and retain some funtional vision to navigate around
a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and
purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably
had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones
with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart
Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward
to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind
consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene
wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate based on
discussions I've seen on this topic before.
Most smart phones already had very few
buttons, and, as for the elimination of the
home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen
enough comments on lists like this that the
button's elimination doesn't mean blind people
can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen
simulates the presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely
understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen say
they stopped using an I-Phone because of
elimination of the home button?
You often
state the worst case interpretation of
situations.
-----
Origial Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 20,
2020 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart
Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart
flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology
that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to
be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it
proved to be very fragile, and CR did not
recommend it, especially in view of its very high
price tag. And it would probably not be a good
choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded
the touchscreen is relatively small and has no
tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend
in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons,
making it virtually impossible for a blind
consumer to use the phone without some sighted
help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
wrote:
I
heard about a phone like you're describing
just the other day and I think they said
that Samsung was the company producing it.
From the way the guy was describing the way
it works, it sounds like it'll be a really
cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta
be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for
a review.
Take care. Mike. Sent
from my iBarstool.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 19,
2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart
Flip Phone?
Hi,
all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in
his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a
smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature
flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart
phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any
info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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Do you have predictive text turned on? I know that works the way you described. Diane Bomar On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:31, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Ron, it seems like on my SE, that VoiceOver would say a word, and I could check above my text for choices, but I am not noticing that on my 11. It could be that I haven't typed enough for that yet. I usually dictate texts, but I do type emails. I don't know why I do that, but that has been my habbit. -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:02 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi Chris, I was initially scared of the touch screen keyboard. But I kept trying and trying and I've gotten pretty good at it as well. I am not very fast with it, but I m very accurate. I learned the method of editing by using the rotor to move around in a text field by word and character and then to edit mistakes. I would say it takes me about a half an hour to write a 250 word message. I am wondering if you have been able to develop any real speed. Sighted people have the advantage of the suggestions list--where in if you are typing along, the words are anticipated and they appear and can be selected by tapping on them before the need to type the whole word. I have not mastered that feature. Is there any way a blind person can take advantage of the suggestions list. On 2/21/2020 5:21 AM, chris judge wrote: I find the on-screen keyboard fine now. What made it so was practice, practice, practice. From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor Sent: February 20, 2020 8:38 PM To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi again: I wish there were some good tutorials for learning the on screen keyboard so that more of us could type on that keyboard as easily as sighted people do. I know of an app called talking Taiper, but it has not been updated in over a year. It might not be a very good tutorial anymore and it might not be compatible with iOS 13. But if you know braille, braille screen input is a very good way to use your on screen keyboard. Especially if you have one of the larger iPhones such as the iPhone 7 Plus or later. Victor On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth <wohlggie@gmail.com <mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com> > wrote: Hi There Again! When I received my first Iphone I purchased a blue tooth keyboard expecting to have issues with the onscreen keyboard. After about a month to month and a half I found myself using the external keyboard less and less. I do wish there was a blue tooth keyboard with a numberpad so when I wish to enter a string of numbers I could do it much easier. Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de <wohlggie@gmail.com> <mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>. On 20-Feb-20 18:19, Victor wrote: The one thing I have not mastered on touchscreens is using the on-screen keyboard well. However, I work around that by using braille screen input and dictation. But again, those who have dexterity issues and finger sensitivity issues may have trouble using a touchscreen. Victor On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Victor via Groups.Io <victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote: Hello again: For those who have lost their eyesight later in life, I can totally understand why they might have trouble using touch screens. They may have a deck stair ready issues and finger sensitivity issues that those of us who have been blind since birth or since we were very young do not have. Therefore, I can certainly see the exceptions to what we are talking about. In these cases, maybe a flip phone would be best. Victor On Feb 20, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth via Groups.Io <wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote: Hello Jerald! Wonder what you base you conclusions on? I personally know quite a number of totally blind iPhone users and I personally have owned 6 or 7 touch screen phones and know of a fairly large number of other totally blind Androind users. So wonder if you actually took any sort of poll -scientific or other wise to come up with your conclusions..? Yes, I had a small amount of sighted help in getting my first iphone setup and a bit more in getting my Android setup but using a touch screen device is far from being difficult for the folks that I know as well as don't know. To answer your question as to how a totally blind or partially sighted person uses the touch screens, we use our fingers to navigate around the screen and locate the various items that we wish to activate and then double tap them to activate them. Yes, my first touch screen was a bit of a challenge but now I would rather have a touch screen phone than a physical key board. I do use blue tooth keyboards with my various touch screen devices but that is more out of convenience rather than necessity. Of course I have always been a very inquisitive indevisual. Just my thoughts! Catch Ya later! de <wohlggie@gmail.com> <mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>. On 20-Feb-20 10:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote: I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone. Gerald On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote: Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button? You often state the worst case interpretation of situations. Gene ----- Origial Message ----- From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training. Gerald On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote: Hi Lisa, I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review. https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884 Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com> To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Hi, all. My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon. He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc? TIA Lisa -- Lisa Belville missktlab1217@frontier.com <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com> -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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It’s longer than that, I can remember testing a windows surface tablet in about 2012 which had a removable Bluetooth keyboard.
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On 22 Feb 2020, at 04:52, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
For the last years, at least 4 or 5, there are laptops on which the keyboard can be easily removed or reattached. Thus, it is a cross or combo laptop or tablet.
Of course when the keyboard is detached, you use the on-screen keyboard. -----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: February-21-20 10:41 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard.
Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam.
-----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you.
Jan
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hahahahahah
On 2/21/2020 6:32 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
And
did he crucify you?
On 21 Feb 2020, at 22:47, Ron Canazzi
<aa2vm@...> wrote:
...And I once referred to another Chris on
another list by accidentally adding a T to his name as in
Chris = Christ. Until the day he died, he never let me forget
it. What bad hings happen over simple typos.
On 2/21/2020 4:44 PM, John
Dowling wrote:
Gerald,
Lighten up man.
I wasn't around for windows 95, but I did come along
during windows 2000, and I remember using windows xp
during 3rd grade lol.
Man, I feel so old, although, I think I'm the youngest
on this list, I'm 19.
No, I'm not really Christ. I'm Jewish and find
your reference to Christ in this context highly
offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do
it again.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 3:34 PM,
Alex Stone wrote:
Surely
he isn’t really Christ, is he?
Christ Gerald,
that’s true of everything, isn’t it?
And why do you guys insist on evading my
question? Don't sit there and tell me that
nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.
Something as simple as a loose battery
connection could cause it to stop working.
My understanding is that the battery is
sealed and is not user accessible. A
sighted friend of mine had his IPhone
sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard
of his car. He apparently hit a bump, and
when he reached his destination, he
discovered that the screen was blank. He
wound up taking the phone to a phone or
electronics store(I don't know which), and
it turned out that the battery had been
jostled loose. And blind pedestrians bump
into things all the time. It's just one of
the hazards of being blined. So don't tell
me that things like this can never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM,
Alex Stone wrote:
Why do you insist on
deliberately misunderstanding everything
that anyone says?
So you are saying that IOS is such a
wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause
complete loss of speech that simple
fixes like the ones you suggest won't
resolve? And is it not true that the
latest IPhone models have no physical
buttons of any kind? If so, how do
you locate the volume and home keys if
you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03
AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but
once you learn the device you will
learn that loss of speech is
usually caused by:
- Speech
being muted. Solved by a 3
finger double tap.
- Voice
over being turned off. Solved by
either asking siri to turn it
on, or pressing the home key 3
times quickly. In the case of
the iPhone 10 or above, press
the power button 3 times.
- Voice
over volume being turned down.
Solved by invoking a gesture,
then pressing up on the volume
button.
It’s like
any other technology, Once you
learn it, things are much simpler
than they seem when the device is
new to you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on
your IPhone, and there is no
speech? Then what? How do you
restore Voice Over without sighted
help if you have no idea what's
causing the problem in the first
place? No operating system, not
even IOS, is immune from problems
that could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020
5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally
blind since birth and have used
an IPhone since 2009. Give it a
try.
Gerald, I can
assure you that I am really blind,
and I think I take exception to
the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb
2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy
via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind"
consumers who use smart phones
that are completely devoid of
tactile buttons are not really
"blind" at all, but visually
impaired and retain some
funtional vision to navigate
around a touchscreen. Those
who are totally blind and
purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot
of sighted help. Which is why
smart phones with tactile
keypads like the BlindShell
and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking
forward to hearing about the
experiences of a totally blind
consumer using the new Samsung
smart flip phone.
Gerald
On
2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene
wrote:
Your
statement about buttons
is inaccurate based on
discussions I've seen on
this topic before. Most
smart phones already had
very few buttons, and,
as for the elimination
of the home button on
the I-Phone, while I
can't speak from
personal experience,
I've seen enough
comments on lists like
this that the button's
elimination doesn't mean
blind people can't use
the phone. Evidently,
the screen simulates the
presence of a button by
vibrating. I'm not
saying I definitely
understand the situation
and I await other
comments but how many
people have you seen say
they stopped using an
I-Phone because of
elimination of the home
button?
You
often state the worst
case interpretation of
situations.
-----
Origial Message -----
Sent:
Thursday, February
20, 2020 5:22 AM
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] New
Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer
Reports, this Samsung smart
flip phone employs a new
touchscreen technology that
allows it to be thin and
flexible enough to be folded
in half like a wallet. But
in tests, it proved to be
very fragile, and CR did not
recommend it, especially in
view of its very high price
tag. And it would probably
not be a good choice for a
blind consumer because even
unfolded the touchscreen is
relatively small and has no
tactile buttons. This seems
to be a growing trend in
smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making
it virtually impossible for
a blind consumer to use the
phone without some sighted
help or a lot of hands-on
training.
Gerald
On
2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B
wrote:
I
heard about a phone
like you're describing
just the other day and
I think they said that
Samsung was the
company producing
it. From the way the
guy was describing the
way it works, it
sounds like it'll be a
really cool phone, but
for $1300 it damn well
otta be! LOL LOL
Check out the link
below for a review.
Take
care. Mike. Sent from
my iBarstool.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Wednesday, February
19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject:
[TechTalk] New Smart
Flip Phone?
Hi,
all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad
is going to trade in his
old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something
on TV advertising a smart
flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body
style as a feature flip
phone but with the
capability of a modern
iPhone or Android Smart
phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does
anyone here have any info
about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless
carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Charter account on WLM
I'm with Charter / Spectrum and it sound like your
server settings need to be updated. What do you have for, incoming &
outgoing, settings on yourAccounts / properties / server tab, and are you
using POP3 or IMAP??
Take care. Mike. Sent from
my iBarstool.
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:28 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM
Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can
receive messages but they won't
send? Lynn
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Wow! This tech list has turned into a chat list!
The content is all over the place?
Lynn
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On 2/21/2020 6:33 PM, Lenron wrote: I have never had a problem fitting a phone in my pocket. I do tend to
really like my phone clips though.
On 2/21/20, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Good to kjnow that Otter got rid of that dreadful plastic. I do not like
that feel.
You have a point about the purse. I thought some of my pockets would be too
small, but so far, they have not been.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 8:59 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi Carolyn,
A larger phone is probably perfect for you. You can carry a purse. I would
look funny if I tried that.
The last time that I looked, OtterBox stopped putting the plastic screen
protector on its Defender series. You just add the second tempered glass
protective screen which all by itself might get you by a short drop to a
hard surface.
Glad you are enjoying your new phone.
James B
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
I had wanted one, James, but my SE needed battery replacement. I was not
going to replace a battery, then buy a new phone in a couple of months. So,
I decided to get an XR, but they had none in stock, got an 11 for $648, so a
good deal, and I do like the phone. It, of course, is well built and in a
sturdy case, so feels very stout and reliable. I got a tempered glass screen
protector - like the glass feeling, not the plastic type as with an Otter
Box.
And oh, Seeing A I is really a good thing, and they are working on it to
improve it all the time. When I first got it, I took this picture of Jim
cooking, and was told man cooking.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
James Bentley
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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From what I have read in several places, this S E 2 will have a bezel. The
phisical home button/finger print sensor is on the bottom bezel. And, it
doesn't take up any screen space.
This phone sounds like it is a perfect size for me.
Cheers,
James B
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
The Volume Keys are on the left side. The Power Button is on the right side.
There are just no buttons on the screen; they occupy screen space. They are
saying that there will be a Home Button on the SE that could come out this
spring, but my bet is against a button that would occupy screen space. There
are others more savvy than I, who disagree with my opinion in that regard.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
So you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is impossible for
anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of speech that simple fixes
like the ones you suggest won't resolve? And is it not true that the latest
IPhone models have no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you
locate the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge wrote:
Yes, but once you learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is
usually caused by:
a. Speech being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double tap.
b. Voice over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn it on,
or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case of the iPhone 10 or
above, press the power button 3 times.
c. Voice over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture, then
pressing up on the volume button.
It’s like any other technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler
than they seem when the device is new to you.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February 21, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your IPhone, and there is no speech? Then
what? How do you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have no
idea what's causing the problem in the first place? No operating system,
not even IOS, is immune from problems that could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge wrote:
That’s ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have used an
IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Alex Stone via Groups.Io
Sent: February 20, 2020 3:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald, I can assure you that I am really blind, and I think I take
exception to the suggestion that I’m not!
On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
<bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io
<mailto:bwaylimited=verizon.net@groups.io> > wrote:
I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are
completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a
touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen
smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones
with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been
introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a
totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've
seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons,
and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't
speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this
that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone.
Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm
not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments
but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because
of elimination of the home button?
You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.
Gene
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From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
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Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a
new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to
be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very
fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high
price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer
because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile
buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all
physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use
the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:
Hi Lisa,
I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I
think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way
the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really
cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the
link below for a review.
https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>
To: Tech Talk <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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I really like the fact that the Apple accessibility reps cannot alter my phone. I remember things better if I am taught how to do it myself. Though, there have been times that an app didn't have an image button labeled on the screen, that I cannot click with VoiceOver, and Apple doesn't like to help with apps they didn't create. Diane Bomar On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:34, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Oh yes, they will screen share, and what I like, unlike Microsoft Disability, they'll say, go to Settings; then General, then Battery or whatever. They will direct instead of fix the question. -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:10 PM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Also, the Apple magic keyboards have tactile markings on the F and J keys. Seeing AI is actually produced by Microsoft but runs on iOS. Apple Accessibility is available 24/7 for free, and they will screen share with you. Diane Bomar On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:02, Holly <feyk7@comcast.net> wrote:
Gerald: I have an Apple Magic blue tooth keyboard. It is light weight and portable, and the keys are large enough to accommodate locator dots. Of course, it would not be practical to walk and use it. Also, with a smart phone, you have access to sighted help anytime with apps like 'Be My Eyes' and AiRA. There are many text to speech scanning apps, money identifiers, color identifiers. Apple also has a free app called Seeing AI, which does many amazing things to help blind people. Even can read handwriting. I was very reluctant to switch from my flip phone to a smart phone, but after taking the plunge, I never looked back. I am 75 years old, so no spring chicken either.
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For the last years, at least 4 or 5, there are laptops on which the keyboard can be easily removed or reattached. Thus, it is a cross or combo laptop or tablet.
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Of course when the keyboard is detached, you use the on-screen keyboard. -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar Sent: February-21-20 10:41 PM To: main@techtalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard. Diane Bomar On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam. -----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you. Jan
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Don't all laptops have keyboards? I thought that only tablets do not have built-in keyboard. Diane Bomar On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:16, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
Did you ask if there are any laptops with physical built-in keyboards? Because I think you made a writing mistake. Yes, there are laptops with built-in keyboards. I'm writing on one. But I have connected a keyboard to mine, because I am having problems with my built-in keyboard. Pam. -----Original Message----- From: jan howells via Groups.Io Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:31 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone? Are there any such things any more, or what was the last thing that would be a lapto to carry around with a physical built in keyboard? Thank you. Jan
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None at all, I can’t even see the screen if it’s lit up like a Christmas tree!
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On 22 Feb 2020, at 02:08, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
So it is no help to you with the phone screen?
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:18 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
No, I have a little bit of light perception, but nothing much.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:59, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Oh! Do you have partial sight? My sighted husband prefers bigger screens. He just loves hi iPad.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:50 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
A 10 x max
On 21 Feb 2020, at 23:45, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote: What is an ssmax?
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Alex Stone
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
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I feel the same about my xsmax.
On 21 Feb 2020, at 18:21, Victor <victorelawrence@gmail.com> wrote: I love my iPhone 11 and I use it for everything everywhere.
Yes, iPhones do crash. My iPhone 7 Plus that I had for two years crashed last summer. Fortunately, I was able to get a decent deal on the iPhone 11 back in October. Now I use it and I’m very happy with it. Wow phones to crash, it isn’t too hard to get a new one if you can work out a deal with your carrier as I did with T-Mobile.
You can do just about everything with the iPhone and the android phone using Siri, Google assistant and some form of dictation. Yes, the iPhone and the android phone is a very convenient pocket computer that will enable you to do so much in your daily life that you will not believe it! It is well worth the investment and the time it takes to learn.
Blessings,
Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:08 AM, james f hooper <james_hooper@earthlink.net> wrote: Greetings holly I tried writing off list couldn't figure out how or what
command to use, wanted to talk with you about your hearing aids,
I was just diagnosed Tuesday with a severe hearing loss and need to
look in to getting hearing aids.
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf
Of Holly
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Gerald:
I have blue tooth hearing aids from Costco that are compatible with my
iPhone. They cost $1400 a pair and work great.
Also, with dictation and Siri you can do almost everything hands free.
Unfortunately, I don't think any amount of useful information the
list members offer you would convince you, as you are just closed
minded on the subject.
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On my iPhone, going to settings/battery brings up information about the health of my battery, and the hourly charge amount, and the percentage each app I used within the last 24 hours or 10 days has used. That is a great indicator of which apps drain the battery the most. A good battery case is a must for me, and all are not created equal. The cases have the battery max capacity written inside. At a T-mobile store, the sales guy compared the battery capacity of my Apple case with the case they sell, finding that my Apple case had significantly more capacity. He said that as soon as he got off work, he was going to the Apple store and get a case from them. Apple's battery case comes with a one-year warranty, which I once took advantage of after mine dipped into a bowl of soup. I wear my phone on a lanyard around my neck. On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:36, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I don't know enough about this to comment much
except that some apps drain the battery quickly. I'm not sure what the
best way is to get information about whether any you are using drain the battery
quickly, but I've read of apps that do.
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
No, it doesn’t on mine either.
When I listen to my music library or Internet radio stations on my
iPhone, it doesn’t seem to drain the battery too quickly. However, the YouTube
app and FaceTime drain the battery faster. I think that in general, video
drains the battery more quickly than audio.
HTH,
Victor
On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Karim Lakhani
<karim.lakhani@...> wrote:
When
you listen to the radio, on the iphone, does the battery stay at a high
%?
I
can make it last longer when I
used the data option to low usage.
From:
main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 3:43
PM
To:
main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip
Phone?
For
those iPhone users who have problems with their batteries draining quickly,
try using low power mode and make sure that you research ways to save your
battery. There are many ways to do so. Your battery should not drain that
quickly if you are taking certain steps to preserve
it.
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On Feb
21, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Gary Greico <pianotuner3@...>
wrote:
Could we stop
fighting children.
On
21-Feb-20 4:30 PM, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
wrote:
No, I'm not
really Christ. I'm Jewish and find your reference to Christ in
this context highly offensive and inappropriate for this list. Don't do
it again.
Gerald
On
2/21/2020 3:34 PM, Alex Stone wrote:
Surely
he isn’t really Christ, is he?
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On
21 Feb 2020, at 15:47, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...>
wrote:
Christ Gerald, that’s
true of everything, isn’t it?
And why
do you guys insist on evading my question? Don't sit there and
tell me that nothing can ever go wrong with an IPhone.
Something as simple as a loose battery connection could cause it to
stop working. My understanding is that the battery is sealed
and is not user accessible. A sighted friend of mine had his
IPhone sitting in a phone holder on the dashboard of his car.
He apparently hit a bump, and when he reached his destination, he
discovered that the screen was blank. He wound up taking the
phone to a phone or electronics store(I don't know which), and it
turned out that the battery had been jostled loose. And blind
pedestrians bump into things all the time. It's just one of
the hazards of being blined. So don't tell me that things like
this can never happen.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:19 AM, Alex Stone
wrote:
Why do you
insist on deliberately misunderstanding everything that anyone
says?
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On 21 Feb
2020, at 12:15, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
So
you are saying that IOS is such a wonderful OS that it is
impossible for anything to go wrong and cause complete loss of
speech that simple fixes like the ones you suggest won't
resolve? And is it not true that the latest IPhone models have
no physical buttons of any kind? If so, how do you locate
the volume and home keys if you have no speech in the first
place?
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 7:03 AM, chris judge
wrote:
Yes, but once you
learn the device you will learn that loss of speech is usually
caused by:
- Speech
being muted. Solved by a 3 finger double
tap.
- Voice
over being turned off. Solved by either asking siri to turn
it on, or pressing the home key 3 times quickly. In the case
of the iPhone 10 or above, press the power button 3
times.
- Voice
over volume being turned down. Solved by invoking a gesture,
then pressing up on the volume
button.
It’s like any other
technology, Once you learn it, things are much simpler than
they seem when the device is new to
you.
Okay, let's suppose you turn on your
IPhone, and there is no speech? Then what? How do
you restore Voice Over without sighted help if you have
no idea what's causing the problem in the first place?
No operating system, not even IOS, is immune from problems
that could cause loss of speech.
Gerald
On 2/21/2020 5:10 AM, chris judge
wrote:
That’s
ridiculous. I’ve been totally blind since birth and have
used an IPhone since 2009. Give it a try.
Gerald, I can assure you that I am
really blind, and I think I take exception to the suggestion
that I’m not!
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On 20 Feb 2020, at 15:01, Gerald
Levy via Groups.Io <bwaylimited@...>
wrote:
I suspect that many "blind"
consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid
of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but
visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to
navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally
blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone
probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart
phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart
Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to
hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer
using the new Samsung smart flip phone.
Gerald
On 2/20/2020
9:41 AM, Gene wrote:
Your
statement about buttons is inaccurate based on
discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most
smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for
the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while
I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough
comments on lists like this that the button's
elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the
phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the
presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying
I definitely understand the situation and I await other
comments but how many people have you seen say they
stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the
home button?
You
often state the worst case interpretation of
situations.
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Sent:
Thursday, February 20, 2020 5:22
AM
Subject:
Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip
Phone?
According to Consumer Reports,
this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen
technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough
to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests,
it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend
it, especially in view of its very high price tag.
And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind
consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is
relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This
seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating
all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for
a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted
help or a lot of hands-on
training.
Gerald
On 2/19/2020
9:20 PM, Mike B
wrote:
I
heard about a phone like you're describing just the
other day and I think they said that Samsung was the
company producing it. From the way the guy
was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll
be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well
otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link
below for a review.
Take
care. Mike. Sent from my
iBarstool.
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Sent:
Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02
PM
Subject:
[TechTalk] New Smart Flip
Phone?
Hi, all.
My
semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old
flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV
advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone
with the same body style as a feature flip phone but
with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android
Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this.
Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier,
etc?
TIA
Lisa
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I don't understand the advantage you are trying to imply. Without wires, or my computer, I use either the virtual keyboard on my iPhone, or a bluetooth keyboard for longer messages. I usually have an Apple bluetooth keyboard in my backpack, much smaller and lighter than a laptop! In fact, I seldom use my computers for anything, these days. Diane Bomar On Feb 21, 2020, at 18:21, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. <ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com> wrote:
Gerald, I may be stupid as usual, but in My Shiny Android world, I don't necessarily have to use a physical bluetooth keyboard for typing text on my toys. I can, using a USB OTG cable, connect a regular keyboard with a USB interface to my toys and use it. Since I'm always MOVING MY RESTLESS LEGS all over the place, a bluetooth comes in handy as I don't need to tinker with wires and cables. Again, this is what I am able to do in My Shiny Android world; in this regard, my options are almost virtually endless in Android Land! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado
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What is the difference between the alcatel go 3 and go 5.
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jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: February-21-20 6:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?
Yesterday, my brother bought me an Alcatel Go 5 cell phone nn his plan. I
will get it at Easter time.
Jan
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