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locked Re: References to Christ.

Gene
 

The discussion started because someone said "Christ, Gerald," as a form of emphasis.  This is offensive to some people as for serious Christians, it is taking the Lord's name in vain.  That has been made clear and any such expressions, using any religious language that any believer in any religion may find offensive, along with vulgarity, is not allowed.  Further discussion is off topic for the list.  I ask that it be stopped now. 
 
Gene, Owner

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] References to Christ.

Hi Group,

As I recall in this thread, nobody was taking the Lord's name in vain. 
There was a reference to someone accidentally placing the letter 't' on
the end of a fellow whose name was Chris.  I had done that accidentally
years ago on another list.  I playfully referred t that incident to
lighten up the rather intense discussion concerning the smart phone
usability issue--since it was getting way off topic anyway; I was doing
nothing more.

Some of you so-called Christians are a bit thin-skinned if that offended
you!
With some of the references in the Bible itself--a few of the Apostles
were a bit playful.  I can think of Peter himself who seemed to be
playing dumb at times with Jesus.


On 2/22/2020 7:17 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
> Yes. Penny, I'd like to sincerely thank you for speaking up about
> this. Some of us are practicing Christians and I myself, being a
> practicing Catholic Christian, am one of them and I find that using
> the name of Jesus as a curse word is extremely offensive. I always try
> to respect the beliefs of others, even if I may not personally share
> them, and I try to avoid language which might be considered offensive.
> I think it would be helpful to please consider this.
>
> David Goldfield,
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
> JAWS Certified, 2019
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
> On 2/22/2020 6:56 PM, Victor wrote:
>> I agree with you. Let’s make sure we keep everything respectful.
>>
>> Victor
>>> On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Penny Golden <pengold2@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>    Some of us take exception to the discussion of Christ that is
>>> going on.
>>>
>>> I mean, bash each other, or laud each other, but can't we keep
>>> references to Christ out of it, maybe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




locked Re: References to Christ.

Victor
 

In any case, I think enough has been said on this topic and the topic of a smart phone. Let’s all move on and just try to be a little more careful from now on.

Victor

On Feb 22, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Hi Group,

As I recall in this thread, nobody was taking the Lord's name in vain. There was a reference to someone accidentally placing the letter 't' on the end of a fellow whose name was Chris. I had done that accidentally years ago on another list. I playfully referred t that incident to lighten up the rather intense discussion concerning the smart phone usability issue--since it was getting way off topic anyway; I was doing nothing more.

Some of you so-called Christians are a bit thin-skinned if that offended you!
With some of the references in the Bible itself--a few of the Apostles were a bit playful. I can think of Peter himself who seemed to be playing dumb at times with Jesus.


On 2/22/2020 7:17 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Yes. Penny, I'd like to sincerely thank you for speaking up about this. Some of us are practicing Christians and I myself, being a practicing Catholic Christian, am one of them and I find that using the name of Jesus as a curse word is extremely offensive. I always try to respect the beliefs of others, even if I may not personally share them, and I try to avoid language which might be considered offensive. I think it would be helpful to please consider this.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 2/22/2020 6:56 PM, Victor wrote:
I agree with you. Let’s make sure we keep everything respectful.

Victor
On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Penny Golden <pengold2@gmail.com> wrote:

 Some of us take exception to the discussion of Christ that is going on.

I mean, bash each other, or laud each other, but can't we keep references to Christ out of it, maybe?





--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




locked Re: References to Christ.

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

As I recall in this thread, nobody was taking the Lord's name in vain.  There was a reference to someone accidentally placing the letter 't' on the end of a fellow whose name was Chris.  I had done that accidentally years ago on another list.  I playfully referred t that incident to lighten up the rather intense discussion concerning the smart phone usability issue--since it was getting way off topic anyway; I was doing nothing more.

Some of you so-called Christians are a bit thin-skinned if that offended you!
With some of the references in the Bible itself--a few of the Apostles were a bit playful.  I can think of Peter himself who seemed to be playing dumb at times with Jesus.

On 2/22/2020 7:17 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Yes. Penny, I'd like to sincerely thank you for speaking up about this. Some of us are practicing Christians and I myself, being a practicing Catholic Christian, am one of them and I find that using the name of Jesus as a curse word is extremely offensive. I always try to respect the beliefs of others, even if I may not personally share them, and I try to avoid language which might be considered offensive. I think it would be helpful to please consider this.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 2/22/2020 6:56 PM, Victor wrote:
I agree with you. Let’s make sure we keep everything respectful.

Victor
On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Penny Golden <pengold2@gmail.com> wrote:

   Some of us take exception to the discussion of Christ that is going on.

I mean, bash each other, or laud each other, but can't we keep references to Christ out of it, maybe?





--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Problem Updating New Machine

lynn white
 

Sent from my iPhoneI received a new laptop. I opened Microsoft Edge and got one of those messages that my computer was locked and that trying to restart would not help. It was one of those programs where they want money from you.

I was able to restart my machine and then went into Internet Explorer and finished setting up the machine.

But, what is worrying me is that when I update and restart the machine, the update cycle seems to be rather short and I’ve had to do this pretty often.

The seller of the machine always lets us know that the machine has to update fairly often. I’m used to this happening since I have bought from him several times. But, I’ve never encountered this other issue before.

I always thought that ransom ware made it that (1) you couldn’t restart a machine and (2) you wouldn’t be able to use another browser.

I have no intention of paying these people. The machine didn’t cost me that much and, if I have to, I will just not use the equipment at all even though it seems to be a good computer. I would appreciate any thoughts.


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Monte Single
 

Nvda says the synth is sapi 5 with vw Paul.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: February-22-20 2:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

ole voice?

what tts ingin has that voice?

On 2/22/2020 12:43 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Gerald,
Probably my mistake, sometimes my ole voice synth which I am using with nvda says five instead of v; this is because the voice synth is interpreting the letter v as roman numeral five.
I know I neeed a more accurate synth, but I do like the voice.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gerald Levy via Groups.Io
Sent: February-22-20 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?


Okay, a little clarification. There is no such model as the Alcatel Flip Go 5. There is a model called the Alcatel Flip Go V, and perhaps somebody assumed that the "V" was actually the Roman numeral for 5. But nowhere is this phone referred to as the Alcatel Flip Go 5. I suspect that the "V" actually stands for Verizon, because this phone is apparently designed for Verizon Wireless and also works with US Cellular. It apparently does not work with T Mobile, which uses a different technology than T Mobile. The only Alcatel phone listed for T Mobile is the Flip Go 3. Judging from the product description, it sounds that the Flip Go V is essentially similar in features to the Go Flip 3, although there is no mention of the voice guidance feature. Both models sell for about $100.


Gerald



On 2/22/2020 1:50 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Yes, this is the first I have hear of the alcatel go 5. But that's
what consumer technology is all about; the latest and the greatest.
The fact that you have a device that works fine for you is irrelevant.
The only way to generate new sales is with new products. Sometimes
it's the same old thing with a new label or costume.
Buy, buy, buy.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: February-22-20 9:43 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

I have never heard of a go 5 before this one. I always heard of the
go 3, and I thought that was the newest one. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 11:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

What is the difference between the alcatel go 3 and go 5.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of jan howells via Groups.Io
Sent: February-21-20 6:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Yesterday, my brother bought me an Alcatel Go 5 cell phone nn his
plan. I will get it at Easter time.

Jan


















Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

My bro sets it up for me. Thank you.


locked Re: References to Christ.

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

I would like to thank you, Penny. We were asked not to discuss religion and politics. But hearing people use Jesus Christ as a curse, is very offensive to me. We all need to respect each other the to be fair. We are a family.

Jan


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gene
 

You may need a sighted person to set up the WiFi connection.  I haven't tried the browser in the Flip3 and I don't know how usable it is. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I will be using my Go 5 with wifi, calls, texts, and internet.  I
had the Keyo Cera Cadence, but it fell in water.

Jan



Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gene
 

If you only hear the word contact when you arrow from contact to contact, let us know.  I'll tell you how to work around that problem using the Flip 3 and it is very likely to work with the V or 5 or whatever it is. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I am hoping that contacts can be used on the Go 5.  My brother is
setting it up for me.  He is working with it.  He has it all
activated and programmed already.  He has it active with my
number.

Jan



locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

Ok, my bro must have thought that the V stood for a 5. I will let him know that is a V for Verizon. It was $100.

Jan


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

I will be using my Go 5 with wifi, calls, texts, and internet. I had the Keyo Cera Cadence, but it fell in water.

Jan


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

The phone is an Alcatel Go 5. I assume that means that it is a 5 G. It has a button keypad like a phone.


Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

I am hoping that contacts can be used on the Go 5. My brother is setting it up for me. He is working with it. He has it all activated and programmed already. He has it active with my number.

Jan


locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

jan howells <gale7978@...>
 

According to Verizon, the Go 5 is the newest phone in the Alcatel.


locked Re: References to Christ.

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Yes. Penny, I'd like to sincerely thank you for speaking up about this. Some of us are practicing Christians and I myself, being a practicing Catholic Christian, am one of them and I find that using the name of Jesus as a curse word is extremely offensive. I always try to respect the beliefs of others, even if I may not personally share them, and I try to avoid language which might be considered offensive. I think it would be helpful to please consider this.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 2/22/2020 6:56 PM, Victor wrote:
I agree with you. Let’s make sure we keep everything respectful.

Victor
On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Penny Golden <pengold2@gmail.com> wrote:

 Some of us take exception to the discussion of Christ that is going on.

I mean, bash each other, or laud each other, but can't we keep references to Christ out of it, maybe?





locked Re: References to Christ.

Victor
 

I agree with you. Let’s make sure we keep everything respectful.

Victor

On Feb 22, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Penny Golden <pengold2@gmail.com> wrote:

 Some of us take exception to the discussion of Christ that is going on.

I mean, bash each other, or laud each other, but can't we keep references to Christ out of it, maybe?





Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gerald Levy
 


The clock I use that you refer to is small enough to fit in a pajama top pocket and has spoken prompts for all menu functions, so it is very easy to set.  The speech and alarm sounds are pretty loud, but what sets this little clock apart is that it has a selectable vibrating alarm, so if you are a deep sleeper and even the explosion of an atomic bomb wouldn't be loud enough to wake you up, the vibrating alarm certainly will. It sells for $19 on Speak to Me:


http://www.speaktomecatalog.com/individual.php?item=CLKVTRV


I also have another talking clock that I purchased on EBay for $7.  It is cube shaped and announces the time and temperature at the touch of the top button, which also causes the time to be projected in large numerals on the wall or ceiling which is useful if you still have some remaining vision.  But the alarm is not especially loud, and I would not recommend it for a heavy sleeper or someone who is hearing impaired.


Gerald


 

On 2/22/2020 4:01 PM, Gene wrote:
If the phone is that much, then the question is, how are you going to use the phone and does it make sense to buy that one and save about a hundred dollars over something like the Shell phone, or does it make sense to get a phone like mine and save from about 100 to 150 dollars more?  That's a lot of money for a feature phone and if all you want to do is call, text and use the MP3 player, for example, I think it is better to put up with the accessibility limitations on the phone I have for those limited uses. 
 
And, for an alarm that doesn't have the bugs I spoke of yesterday, that's a lot to spend.  It might make a lot more sense to buy the small, evidently very convenient to carry clock Gerald has spoken of.  I don't know how loud the alarm is on that clock but its only something like seven dollars.
 
Unless the need is urgent, it might make sense to wait for my presentation, so you will have a good sense of my phone before making a decision.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

It's probably pretty good, if it is that much.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynette
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I am not Bob but did check and on Verizon, the retail is
$264 or $11 for 24 months. So it is indeed expensive for a
feature phone, but I want to do some more checking on
usability.


-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

Hi Bob,
Do you know how much your phone cost without a contract, or
with?
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: February-22-20 11:11 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I have the Kyocera Dura and like it. It isn't cheap but it
is very accessible and full featured.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Terry Olandese
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 5:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the
year because of
3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone
that I can buy?
Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can
give to me about the phone would be appreciated.
















Re: What is a good flip phone to buy?

Gene
 

If the phone is that much, then the question is, how are you going to use the phone and does it make sense to buy that one and save about a hundred dollars over something like the Shell phone, or does it make sense to get a phone like mine and save from about 100 to 150 dollars more?  That's a lot of money for a feature phone and if all you want to do is call, text and use the MP3 player, for example, I think it is better to put up with the accessibility limitations on the phone I have for those limited uses. 
 
And, for an alarm that doesn't have the bugs I spoke of yesterday, that's a lot to spend.  It might make a lot more sense to buy the small, evidently very convenient to carry clock Gerald has spoken of.  I don't know how loud the alarm is on that clock but its only something like seven dollars.
 
Unless the need is urgent, it might make sense to wait for my presentation, so you will have a good sense of my phone before making a decision.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

It's probably pretty good, if it is that much.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynette
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I am not Bob but did check and on Verizon, the retail is
$264 or $11 for 24 months. So it is indeed expensive for a
feature phone, but I want to do some more checking on
usability.


-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

Hi Bob,
Do you know how much your phone cost without a contract, or
with?
Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Onwardbob
Sent: February-22-20 11:11 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I have the Kyocera Dura and like it. It isn't cheap but it
is very accessible and full featured.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Terry Olandese
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 5:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] What is a good flip phone to buy?

I'm going to have to replace my flip phone at the end of the
year because of
3 g going away. Could someone recommend a inexpensive phone
that I can buy?
Would appreciate the help. All the information that you can
give to me about the phone would be appreciated.
















Re: Charter account on WLM

Brian Zolo
 

Hey there, Lynn, it looks like you got some good pointers to check with regard to your sending settings but don't hesitate to let me know if I can be of further assistance, have a great day! BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynette
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

I am using it with Win10 1909 and Jaws 2020

Newest WLM (laugh!)

Lynn


On 2/22/2020 8:56 AM, Brian Zolo wrote:
Hey there,Lynn, Brian Zolo in Gahanna, Ohio, feel free to call me BZ, grin! I'm also a charter subscriber though I use outlook. I'll certainly be happy to research this issue and see whether they are still supporting windows live mail. Are you using windows live mail with windows ten or are you using an older operating system? Have a great day and let me know if you'll need further assistance as I'll be happy to do more research and let you know what I find out. BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lynette
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 10:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Charter account on WLM

Is anyone using a Charter.net email account with WLM?I can receive messages but they won't send?

Lynn









locked Re: New Smart Flip Phone?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Try:

1. Launch Settings.
2. Open General.
3. Go to Keyboard.
4. Flick through.

When you have what you want about Auto-Correct, leave Keyboard, General, and Settings; I closed mine.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Leedy Diane Bomar
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2020 2:19 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Diane Bomar
On Feb 22, 2020, at 08:23, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
AHi Diane,

Where do you go for the setting for 'predictive text?'


On 2/22/2020 1:26 AM, Leedy Diane Bomar wrote:
Do you have predictive text turned on? I know that works the way you described.


Diane Bomar
On Feb 21, 2020, at 16:31, Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@windstream.net> wrote:
Ron, it seems like on my SE, that VoiceOver would say a word, and I could check above my text for choices, but I am not noticing that on my 11. It could be that I haven't typed enough for that yet. I usually dictate texts, but I do type emails. I don't know why I do that, but that has been my habbit.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?

Hi Chris,

I was initially scared of the touch screen keyboard. But I kept trying and trying and I've gotten pretty good at it as well. I am not very fast with it, but I m very accurate. I learned the method of editing by using the rotor to move around in a text field by word and character and then to edit mistakes.

I would say it takes me about a half an hour to write a 250 word message.

I am wondering if you have been able to develop any real speed. Sighted people have the advantage of the suggestions list--where in if you are typing along, the words are anticipated and they appear and can be selected by tapping on them before the need to type the whole word. I have not mastered that feature. Is there any way a blind person can take advantage of the suggestions list.



On 2/21/2020 5:21 AM, chris judge wrote:


I find the on-screen keyboard fine now. What made it so was practice, practice, practice.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Victor
Sent: February 20, 2020 8:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?



Hi again:



I wish there were some good tutorials for learning the on screen keyboard so that more of us could type on that keyboard as easily as sighted people do. I know of an app called talking Taiper, but it has not been updated in over a year. It might not be a very good tutorial anymore and it might not be compatible with iOS 13. But if you know braille, braille screen input is a very good way to use your on screen keyboard. Especially if you have one of the larger iPhones such as the iPhone 7 Plus or later.



Victor




On Feb 20, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth <wohlggie@gmail.com <mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi There Again!

When I received my first Iphone I purchased a blue tooth keyboard expecting to have issues with the onscreen keyboard. After about a month to month and a half I found myself using the external keyboard less and less. I do wish there was a blue tooth keyboard with a numberpad so when I wish to enter a string of numbers I could do it much easier. Good Luck and Have A Good 1! de

<wohlggie@gmail.com> <mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 20-Feb-20 18:19, Victor wrote:

The one thing I have not mastered on touchscreens is using the on-screen keyboard well. However, I work around that by using braille screen input and dictation. But again, those who have dexterity issues and finger sensitivity issues may have trouble using a touchscreen.


Victor



On Feb 20, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Victor via Groups.Io <victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:victorelawrence=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Hello again:



For those who have lost their eyesight later in life, I can totally understand why they might have trouble using touch screens. They may have a deck stair ready issues and finger sensitivity issues that those of us who have been blind since birth or since we were very young do not have. Therefore, I can certainly see the exceptions to what we are talking about. In these cases, maybe a flip phone would be best.



Victor




On Feb 20, 2020, at 12:37 PM, Jim Wohlgamuth via Groups.Io <wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> <mailto:wohlggie=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:



Hello Jerald!

Wonder what you base you conclusions on? I personally know quite a number of totally blind iPhone users and I personally have owned 6 or 7 touch screen phones and know of a fairly large number of other totally blind Androind users. So wonder if you actually took any sort of poll -scientific or other wise to come up with your conclusions..? Yes, I had a small amount of sighted help in getting my first iphone setup and a bit more in getting my Android setup but using a touch screen device is far from being difficult for the folks that I know as well as don't know.

To answer your question as to how a totally blind or partially sighted person uses the touch screens, we use our fingers to navigate around the screen and locate the various items that we wish to activate and then double tap them to activate them. Yes, my first touch screen was a bit of a challenge but now I would rather have a touch screen phone than a physical key board. I do use blue tooth keyboards with my various touch screen devices but that is more out of convenience rather than necessity. Of course I have always been a very inquisitive indevisual. Just my thoughts! Catch Ya later! de

<wohlggie@gmail.com> <mailto:wohlggie@gmail.com> <KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>.

On 20-Feb-20 10:01, Gerald Levy via Groups.Io wrote:


I suspect that many "blind" consumers who use smart phones that are completely devoid of tactile buttons are not really "blind" at all, but visually impaired and retain some funtional vision to navigate around a touchscreen. Those who are totally blind and purport to use a touchscreen smart phone probably had a lot of sighted help. Which is why smart phones with tactile keypads like the BlindShell and Smart Vision have been introduced. So I'm looking forward to hearing about the experiences of a totally blind consumer using the new Samsung smart flip phone.



Gerald



On 2/20/2020 9:41 AM, Gene wrote:

Your statement about buttons is inaccurate based on discussions I've seen on this topic before. Most smart phones already had very few buttons, and, as for the elimination of the home button on the I-Phone, while I can't speak from personal experience, I've seen enough comments on lists like this that the button's elimination doesn't mean blind people can't use the phone. Evidently, the screen simulates the presence of a button by vibrating. I'm not saying I definitely understand the situation and I await other comments but how many people have you seen say they stopped using an I-Phone because of elimination of the home button?


You often state the worst case interpretation of situations.


Gene

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According to Consumer Reports, this Samsung smart flip phone employs a new touchscreen technology that allows it to be thin and flexible enough to be folded in half like a wallet. But in tests, it proved to be very fragile, and CR did not recommend it, especially in view of its very high price tag. And it would probably not be a good choice for a blind consumer because even unfolded the touchscreen is relatively small and has no tactile buttons. This seems to be a growing trend in smart phones: eliminating all physical buttons, making it virtually impossible for a blind consumer to use the phone without some sighted help or a lot of hands-on training.


Gerald



On 2/19/2020 9:20 PM, Mike B wrote:



Hi Lisa,


I heard about a phone like you're describing just the other day and I think they said that Samsung was the company producing it. From the way the guy was describing the way it works, it sounds like it'll be a really cool phone, but for $1300 it damn well otta be! LOL LOL Check out the link below for a review.


https://gizmodo.com/24-hours-with-the-samsung-galaxy-z-flip-has-me-convince-1841791884



Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.

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From: Lisa Belville <mailto:missktlab1217@frontier.com>

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Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:02 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] New Smart Flip Phone?


Hi, all.
My semi-techno-phobic dad is going to trade in his old flip phone soon.
He said he saw something on TV advertising a smart flip phone, he means
a phone with the same body style as a feature flip phone but with the
capability of a modern iPhone or Android Smart phone. I haven't heard
anything about this. Does anyone here have any info about this type of
phone? Brand, Wireless carrier, etc?
TIA
Lisa
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Hello Ron, I don't use it anymore, but it is under settings/accessibility somewhere. They keep changing what is where in every new version of iOS.

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