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smart television

Fanus
 

Hello list
From a blind person's perspective this may seem like a stupid question.
During this lock down I stream many of the metropolitan opera house operas.
It is quite a pain with my fairly old tv and laptop to stream and now I
examine all kinds of products because my wife is sighted and she enjoys the
shows and we did not realize there are so many things from youtube that one
can stream. I looked at specs for the Amazon fire 4K stick and cube, the
Google Chromecast ultra and the Apple tv but all of them have things that I
like and things that I would want in the device. I have read the Take
Control of Apple TV book and the writer asks what I want to ask year: is it
worth while to buy an apple tv if one can buy a smart television with
Airplay2 and the apple tv app built-in. Here in South Africa I can get such
a tv for not very much more than an Apple tv. So, is there someone who uses
a smart television with airplay and if so, is it a workable better option
for a blind person?
Regards
Fanus
,


Re: accessible air purifier

Steve Matzura
 

And not all machines are electrostatic. Some juse only carbon and/or HEPA filtration.


On 4/12/2020 11:14 AM, Geoff Eden wrote:
Unfortunately, the way air purifiers work is that they set up an electric field that ionizes the dust and makes it stick to its elements for later cleaning. This electric field is not easily contained within this electric field's effects are not necessarily contained within the device, as the eye and ice particles pass out on the airstream and stick to anything that's slightly positively charged in the environment. Hence, there will always be a slight bloom of dust that sticks to things around an air purifier.

Geoff
 
From: Mike Gurney
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessible air purifier
 

Hello Robin

 

This machine does attract some dust but I think that is inevitable because of the way air purifiers work.  As they suck the air and all that it contains towards the unit, it inevitably attracts some just Etc. which doesn't make it right inside the machine.  I find a regular wipe around and over the unit will keep it to an acceptable level.  I have used my machines both on top of cupboards and also stood on the floor.

 

The one in my bedroom is never turned off and provided I wipe it over it isn't a problem.  I also VACUUM the grills which helps keep the dust issue to a MINIMUM.

  I believe Heaven Fresh are based in America.

 

Best wishes

 

Mike.

1/04/2020 23:51, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi Mike,

One more question for you. Every single air purifier I've ever had has sadly had the terrible problem of attracting a grey or black residue near wherever it's set up even if I placed it the prescribed 1 to 2 feet away from walls and the like. Is this a table top or floor standing model and have you had any difficulties with this unit drawing dirt to itself and depositing it on surfaces nearby? Thanks again for enlightening us all.

Take good care.

Robin

 

On 4/11/2020 4:25 PM, Mike Gurney wrote:
Hello Everyone


I found my Heaven Fresh air purifier on the Web.  I believe Amazon used to sell them.


My machines consume 20 watts on low setting and I believe  it is 40 watts on high.  My machines include a 3 speed fan setting, a timer which is not accessible and a low level ozone generator.


I hope I have answered all the questions.


Best wishes


Mike.

#/04/2020 20:27, Curtis Delzer wrote:

Mike, where did you get your Heaven sent air purifier?

Curtis Delzer
HS
K 6 V F O
Rialto, CA

curtis@...

On 4/11/2020 12:15 AM, Mike Gurney wrote:
Hello


I have a couple of heaven fresh 300 models which are both reasonably accessible.  They have buttons and the unit bleeps when the buttons are pressed.They also have an ultraviolet lamp inside which they claim will kill bugs and virus.    Filters last approximately 2 years if the units are in use 24 hour per day and 7 days a week.


Best wishes


Mike

On 11/04/2020 07:18, heather albright wrote:

Hello, does anyone know of any accessible air

Purifiers? They the apartments said I cant get any knew air filters till all of this is over. So I needed away to clean my air around me. I just want to know has anyone found one that is accessible either with buttons or threw the app! It would have to be a stand alone, not one that is connected to my air AC  unit; it is not allowed! Thanks stay safe everyone Heather


Re: Games to play?

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hi Dave,

I don't remember if it is called "extreme", but the second one we got has four things you have to do instead of two besides bopping it. It will tell you to twist, flick, pull, spin, or bop. It is pretty chalenging, especially when it really speeds up.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [main@TechTalk.groups.io] on behalf of Dave via groups.io [dlh007=centurylink.net@groups.io]
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 1:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?

I too have one of those Bop-it games. Never heard of the Extreme
version, what is that like?


I love playing mine from time to time. Can't get anyone else to play it
with me. No one likes Memory games but me in our family.


I have an Old Old Simon Game that is also one of my Favorites, and no
one wants to play that either. Boo Hoo!


Grumpy Dave


Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Walter Ramage
 

Hi  Thanks, that is helpful.  My internet useage is basic; browsing, file downloading and on line banking etc.  Walter.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 12 April 2020 23:20
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

 

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the Virtual PC Cursor, as JAWS calls it, or browse mode, as NVDA calls it.  If you want to change settings, the interfaces of the browsers are different from Internet Explorer, but just for browsing, you will use all the same commands you have been using if you use JAWS of whatever version and if you use NVDA, all or just about all the browsing commands will be identical.  I don’t know if your version of JAWS works with Firefox.  Firefox went through internal changes ;perhaps a year ago and I don’t know if your version of JAWS is compatible with it.  If it isn’t, when you open Firefox, you will get a message that you need to upgrade JAWS, whatever it says, that’s what it amounts to.  But you needn’t worry about using NVDA with whatever browser you want, for just browsing, there will be very little to learn.  You may want to learn screen-reader commands such as read current line, read title bar, that command is the same in JAWS and NVDA, and perhaps a small number of others, such as controling the speaking speed and such commands but if you want to use JAWS in general and NVDA for browsing, if you don’t want to learn more about NVDA, you don’t have to.

 

But you may want to.  At some point, you will switch to Windows 10.  You may want to learn NVDA so you can switch whenever you want without learning what you need to know about Windows 10 and the screen-reader at the same time.  That is, of course, if you don’t want to continue using JAWS at that time, and you will have to upgrade JAWS then.

Gene,

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:07 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

 

Hi All.  I am finding that increasingly web sites won't support I.E. and although many still do, it is happening more often that they are instructing me to get a more up-to-date browser and I think the time for doing so has arrived.

 

I am at this point using Jaws 17 on this computer and I'm not at this point able to upgrade to a higher version but that means I can't use Google Chrome, at least not to it's fullest potential.

 

I'm just trying to think of the options I have.

 

One option is to use Firefox or Brave but will I get full function whilst I use Jaws 17 with these two browsers and if I would, which versions of either of these two is the optimal for using with Jaws 17?

 

Another option is to use NVDA but would I get full function of Google Chrome if I did use NVDA.  If I could stick with Jaws that would please me the most as I am familiar with that screen reader.

 

Whether I go for Firefox, Brave or even Google Chrome or even use NVDA I will have a learning curve and I wonder which would be the least troublesome.

 

Opinions and observations are welcome please.  Walter.

 

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Re: Gold Wave problem- Help?

Damien Garwood <damien@...>
 

Hi Dave,
I have experienced things like this in the past. No idea what causes them, sometimes I can't help but wonder if the settings files become corrupt or whatever.
The best workaround I've found so far for this situation, unfortunately, is to uninstall and reinstall. Of course it goes without saying, you may have to reset any preferences or custom presets and possibly reinstall any VST plugins that you had in that directory.
I'm sorry I can't come up with a more satisfactory solution at the moment. The best thing I can suggest is, next time you install and set it up the way you like, back up your settings file. Then when it breaks again you can try restoring from that. If that doesn't work then, again, uninstall and reinstall, but at least you'll still have your settings that you can easily restore from.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 13/04/2020 12:41 pm, Dave wrote:
Hello,
I use the latest edition of Gold Wave in Win 10 Pro.
This just started a day or two ago.
I can no longer move  to the End of the Recording by pressing CTRL-End
And I can no longer play the recording backwards by pressing the J key.
I use these commands to move around quickly when editing recordings.
I am guessing I activated or de-activated something within Gold Wave,
because both Jaws and NVDA read fine, but Gold Wave does not respond
when using the Short cut Keys mentioned above.
I looked for a Master Set Back to original Settings Button, but failed
to find even something like this.
So, any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks to any who attempt to
help out with this one.
Grumpy Dave


Backgammon was RE: [TechTalk] Games to play?

Norma A. Boge
 

Hey Grumpy Dave,

QuentinC's playroom has Backgammon. This site has games with which you can play with other members from around the world. Large selection of games, and it's free. You can check it out at
https://www.qcsalon.net/en/

HTH
Norma

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?

I too have one of those Bop-it games. Never heard of the Extreme version, what is that like?


I love playing mine from time to time. Can't get anyone else to play it with me. No one likes Memory games but me in our family.


I have an Old Old Simon Game that is also one of my Favorites, and no one wants to play that either. Boo Hoo!


Grumpy Dave


Re: Games to play?

Kerryann Ifill
 

Good morning,

Any recommendations on games for the Mac?

Regards
Kerry

On 13 Apr 2020, at 7:30 AM, john s <jschwery@centurylink.net> wrote:

Spoonbill Software has a number of word games as well as card games and other games. Penguin is my favorite. Here is the link.

http://www.omninet.net.au/~irhumph/index.htm


At 06:13 PM 4/12/2020, Shelly Kane, wrote:
Thanks Everyone:


I will give these games a try. I do like monopoly but have never played it on the computer. I am really into word games though. Thanks again for your suggestions.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 7:32 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Shelly,

The sports games are what I like. In particular, Golf and Baseball. There are Casino games. The games gives you the instructions for each of the various card games and how to play if you don't know these real card games.

Trucker is also a nice game. You are a trucker and you pick a route to go cross country. You get to choose one of four routes. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of the routes. You get a certain amount of money to start, to pick sleep times, gas up times and so on. If you complete the trick the game sis over and you win. If you are out of cash or out of gas and/or the police stop you too many times and you wind up in jail, you lose the game.

There are some adult oriented games such as coupling and dungeons and dragons. The rules are explained when you launch these games. There is also a concentration game similar to the old TV game show. There is Monopoly similar to the board game.

I know there used to be a bop-it game but for some reason, this installation doesn't include it. Maybe it's on the site as a stand alone game somewhere. I used to like that one. I'll check it out.

On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems. I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it. It has been a long time. I really enjoy that game. Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded? Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked. If you wish to write off line, please do. Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before? I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app. It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed. I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it. One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends? Thank you all for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh>Â I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class.  Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved. So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game. The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do, is to play a
Tournament. Which is an agreed on number of Games. Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you. by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before. Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning. You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double. Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money. In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries. But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave




John



Re: batch converting multi-folders in goldwave

Smiling?
 

So choose a different directory than your Documents folder, as you said it’s titled 0 files, so select it instead.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 4:20
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] batch converting multi-folders in goldwave

 

but the problem is that the my documents folder does not have anything under it, and if I select all sub folders, that means all the  files  in the my documents folder and all sub folders will be converted, which is not what I want to do.

 

Basically, I have a folder in my documents that is called 0 files to convert.  that folder contains other files.  I wish to covert all files in the 0 files to convert folder and all sub folders within that folder.

 

HTH

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 5:00 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] batch converting multi-folders in goldwave

 

Hi Keith,
Next to the "add files" button, there is an "add folders" button. You
can type the pathname in there or select browse to access a treeview.
Once selected, check the "include all subfolders" option.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 12/04/2020 10:53 am, Keith S wrote:
> Okay, not sure exactly how to find, let alone select multiple folders
> for batch conversion in goldwave.
> There is a folder in my documents folder I wish to convert all files
> inside those folders. But, the tree view does not have sub-limbs, so to
> speak in the various directories.
> How do I select multiple folders under batch conversion instead of just
> adding files under the batch conversion option?
> Thanks
> Keith
>


Gold Wave problem- Help?

Dave
 

Hello,


I use the latest edition of Gold Wave in Win 10 Pro.


This just started a day or two ago.


I can no longer move  to the End of the Recording by pressing CTRL-End 
And I can no longer play the recording backwards by pressing the J key.


I use these commands to move around quickly when editing recordings.


I am guessing I activated or de-activated something within Gold Wave,
because both Jaws and NVDA read fine, but Gold Wave does not respond
when using the Short cut Keys mentioned above.


I looked for a Master Set Back to original Settings Button, but failed
to find even something like this.


So, any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks to any who attempt to
help out with this one.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Games to play?

john s
 

Spoonbill Software has a number of word games as well as card games and other games. Penguin is my favorite. Here is the link.

http://www.omninet.net.au/~irhumph/index.htm


At 06:13 PM 4/12/2020, Shelly Kane, wrote:
Thanks Everyone:


I will give these games a try. I do like monopoly but have never played it on the computer. I am really into word games though. Thanks again for your suggestions.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 7:32 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Shelly,

The sports games are what I like. In particular, Golf and Baseball. There are Casino games. The games gives you the instructions for each of the various card games and how to play if you don't know these real card games.

Trucker is also a nice game. You are a trucker and you pick a route to go cross country. You get to choose one of four routes. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of the routes. You get a certain amount of money to start, to pick sleep times, gas up times and so on. If you complete the trick the game sis over and you win. If you are out of cash or out of gas and/or the police stop you too many times and you wind up in jail, you lose the game.

There are some adult oriented games such as coupling and dungeons and dragons. The rules are explained when you launch these games. There is also a concentration game similar to the old TV game show. There is Monopoly similar to the board game.

I know there used to be a bop-it game but for some reason, this installation doesn't include it. Maybe it's on the site as a stand alone game somewhere. I used to like that one. I'll check it out.

On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems. I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it. It has been a long time. I really enjoy that game. Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded? Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked. If you wish to write off line, please do. Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before? I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app. It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed. I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it. One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends? Thank you all for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh>Â I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class.  Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved. So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game. The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do, is to play a
Tournament. Which is an agreed on number of Games. Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you. by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before. Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning. You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double. Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money. In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries. But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave




John


Re: Games to play?

Pamela Dominguez
 

The extreme is shaped a little different, also has a wheel that you spin, and I forget what other additions there were. I didn't take it with me when I moved. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 1:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?

I too have one of those Bop-it games. Never heard of the Extreme
version, what is that like?


I love playing mine from time to time. Can't get anyone else to play it
with me. No one likes Memory games but me in our family.


I have an Old Old Simon Game that is also one of my Favorites, and no
one wants to play that either. Boo Hoo!


Grumpy Dave







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Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Ann Parsons
 

Hi Gene,

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Ann P.

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Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Gene
 

I haven’t looked but I would expect a Google search for Google Chrome hot keys or short cut keys, I don’t know which might provide better results, would bring up pages with such information. 
 
I was just looking at Chrome to see if a lot of shortcut keys are shown in the menus and submenus.  They are, but that’s not the main reason I’m writing.  I opened the history submenu and I found something I hadn’t known about before.  In the past, I just used control h to open history.  But I found out that when the submenu is opened, you can down arrow through a list of the nine most recently opened pages.  The control h history is a web page interface, as most things are in Chrome.  The list is much more convenient and faster to get to. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome
 
Hi all,

I'm finding that NVDA works better in Chrome.  It's not that different,
though I'd like to find a list of keystrokes for Chrome if anybody
knows where I can find one?

Ann P.

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I need an accessible revo uninstaller

joanne
 

I know that there was a link or website this group had for a Revo Portable that Carlos had made accessible with jaws. Does anyone know how I can get this version, or if not is there a Jaws-friendly version of Revo Uninstaller? I found a portable and a regular one online, but neither show the programs and you just have a page you can't tab through because I'm assuming it's too graphical. Thanks for any help.
 
Joanne
 


Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I'm finding that NVDA works better in Chrome. It's not that different, though I'd like to find a list of keystrokes for Chrome if anybody knows where I can find one?

Ann P.

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Re: Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome

Gene
 

Browsing is browsing with any browser that supports the Virtual PC Cursor, as JAWS calls it, or browse mode, as NVDA calls it.  If you want to change settings, the interfaces of the browsers are different from Internet Explorer, but just for browsing, you will use all the same commands you have been using if you use JAWS of whatever version and if you use NVDA, all or just about all the browsing commands will be identical.  I don’t know if your version of JAWS works with Firefox.  Firefox went through internal changes ;perhaps a year ago and I don’t know if your version of JAWS is compatible with it.  If it isn’t, when you open Firefox, you will get a message that you need to upgrade JAWS, whatever it says, that’s what it amounts to.  But you needn’t worry about using NVDA with whatever browser you want, for just browsing, there will be very little to learn.  You may want to learn screen-reader commands such as read current line, read title bar, that command is the same in JAWS and NVDA, and perhaps a small number of others, such as controling the speaking speed and such commands but if you want to use JAWS in general and NVDA for browsing, if you don’t want to learn more about NVDA, you don’t have to.
 
But you may want to.  At some point, you will switch to Windows 10.  You may want to learn NVDA so you can switch whenever you want without learning what you need to know about Windows 10 and the screen-reader at the same time.  That is, of course, if you don’t want to continue using JAWS at that time, and you will have to upgrade JAWS then.
Gene,

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:07 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws, NVDA & Google Chrome
 

Hi All.  I am finding that increasingly web sites won't support I.E. and although many still do, it is happening more often that they are instructing me to get a more up-to-date browser and I think the time for doing so has arrived.

 

I am at this point using Jaws 17 on this computer and I'm not at this point able to upgrade to a higher version but that means I can't use Google Chrome, at least not to it's fullest potential.

 

I'm just trying to think of the options I have.

 

One option is to use Firefox or Brave but will I get full function whilst I use Jaws 17 with these two browsers and if I would, which versions of either of these two is the optimal for using with Jaws 17?

 

Another option is to use NVDA but would I get full function of Google Chrome if I did use NVDA.  If I could stick with Jaws that would please me the most as I am familiar with that screen reader.

 

Whether I go for Firefox, Brave or even Google Chrome or even use NVDA I will have a learning curve and I wonder which would be the least troublesome.

 

Opinions and observations are welcome please.  Walter.


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Re: Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file

Ron Canazzi
 

Your method works sometimes, but if the station used an embedded player such as a Java applet, you won't find the address very easily. 

On 4/12/2020 2:12 PM, - wrote:
> > I went to the url given and chose an example stream. The listen live > is the url of interest. Download that file, using a text editor the > actual active url is given, in the example: > > http://cms.stream.publicradio.org/cms.mp3 > > When fed to a media player the stream started. There are more > examples of a stream in addition to pls and mu3; as the above > illustrates. > > I have used this method several times to find the active stream url > for web stations. > > On Sat, 11 Apr 2020, Gene wrote: > >> Here is the page: https://billsparks.net/ >> >> If you want to search for a station, use your sscreen-reader???s >> find command to look for the word search. Be at the top of the >> page when you use the find command. it???s a link. Follow it and >> you will be on a search page. There is an edit field, use the >> letter e to move to it and search for a station. When the results >> page comes up, use your screen-reader???s find function again and >> from the top of the page, look for the word results. Then start >> looking down. >> >> If the result you want has a play in media player link, that???s >> the one you want to follow. You may find two links, something like >> play in browser and play in media player. If you follow the media >> player link, the stream will play in your default player. You can >> book mark it in the player itself or you can probably copy the link >> itself to the clipboard. If you want to know how, I???ll explain >> it in another message. >> >> Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene via groups.io Sent: >> Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:08 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio >> Station as a .pls or .m3u playlist file >> >> You may find streams you can use by using the Bill Sparks radio >> page. I???ll look it up and send it in a later message. >> >> Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Canazzi Sent: Saturday, >> April 11, 2020 1:36 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: >> [TechTalk] Saving the URL from an Internet Radio Station as a .pls >> or .m3u playlist file >> >> Hi Steven, >> >> I have done this in the past with mixed results. If the player is >> a JAVA based player, lots of luck. The only way to get a streaming >> address when the player is a Java player is to use a program like >> IP Sniffer and pick from several IP addresses that show up under >> the program. I know sighted people who have had good results doing >> this, but the program is largely inaccessible with JAWS and NVDA. >> >> >> >> >> On 4/11/2020 1:19 PM, Steven Johnson wrote: >> >> I am messing around with the Blaze ET, trying to load a few of my >> favorite streaming radio stations. I know that I need to take the >> URL of a stream and make a .pls or .m3u playlist file out of it. >> My difficulty is finding the right URL that will make a stream >> start playing when pasted into the address bar of my browser. I >> can make the stream play within my browser, but the URL that shows >> up on my address bar when the stream is playing never seems to work >> when I save it as a favorite, or copy it to clipboard and then try >> to open it by pasting it on to my address bar. Anyone ever >> monkeyed around with this and had success? >> >> >> >> >
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Re: Games to play?

Shelly Kane
 

Thanks Everyone:


I will give these games a try.  I do like monopoly but have never played it on the computer.  I am really into word games though. Thanks again for your suggestions.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 7:32 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Shelly,

The sports games are what I like. In particular, Golf and Baseball. There are Casino games.  The games gives you the instructions for each of the various card games and how to play if you don't know these real card games.

Trucker is also a nice game.  You are a trucker and you pick a route to go cross country.  You get to choose one of four routes. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of the routes.  You get a certain amount of money to start, to pick sleep times, gas up times and so on.  If you complete the trick the game sis over and you win. If you are out of cash or out of gas and/or the police stop you too many times and you wind up in jail, you lose the game.

There are some adult oriented games such as coupling and dungeons and dragons.  The rules are explained when you launch these games. There is also a concentration game similar to the old TV game show. There is Monopoly similar to the board game.

I know there used to be a bop-it game but for some reason, this installation doesn't include it. Maybe it's on the site as a stand alone game somewhere.  I used to like that one.  I'll check it out.

On 4/12/2020 4:43 AM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it with no problems.  I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it.  It has been a long time.  I really enjoy that game.  Can you recommend any of the other games in that package I just downloaded?  Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the whole thing worked.  If you wish to write off line, please do.  Another problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later, it crashed on me several times. Have you ever had this problem before?  I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened the app.  It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted ten seconds and then the app crashed.  I will try downloading it again like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother using it.  One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find friends?  Thank you all for your help.  It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
Hello Olusegun,


<Slight laugh>  I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.


But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
"Intro to Grumpiness" class.   Let me know eh?


As for the Backgammon lessons-


I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.


However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
walk you through the basics.


If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
these Games are similar to Backgammon.


The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
Doubling Cube.


Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
involved.  So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
player if they were to only play one game.  The beginner player happen
to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he had to.

So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do,  is to play a
Tournament.  Which is an agreed on number of Games.  Say 10 Games, or 50
Games.


At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game. So if you
should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.


Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
against Olusegun
, and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.


Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
board, as he says, I Double you.  by my doing this, I have just
challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
what it had been before.  Since the game was worth only one game, to
double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
to the person who wins that game.


Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
game.


Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.


As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning.  You could then
challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
offer to Double.  Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
playing, is now worth 4 games.


the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.


So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
four games to the win column.



Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.


There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.


Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
and we would play for money.  In his case I had to give him money, or
take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
take off of my next months rent.


Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
gone down to just about Zero.


Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
Countries.  But, have never checked this out.


Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.


Grumpy Dave







Re: Games to play?

Shelly Kane
 

Gene:


Thank you so much for telling me this.  I kind of had a feeling and tried it last night and it worked.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 7:25 AM, Gene wrote:
This may help you when sighted people are telling you what to do.  The person you were talking to wanted you to open the start menu. I don’t know what she wanted you to do after that.  Others with Windows 10 may explain further what you do after you open the start menu.  I don’t have Windows 10 and my explanation may not completely apply. 
 
The start button is at the bottom left of the screen, but for you just pressing the Windows key opens the start menu and places you in the search field.  It does the same thing as clicking the start button with a mouse. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Games to play?
 
Ron:


I was able to go to the desktop and type the letter K and I found it
with no problems.  I actually played Hangman and I stunk at it.  It has
been a long time.  I really enjoy that game.  Can you recommend any of
the other games in that package I just downloaded?  Not really into sports.


Donna, you had suggested that I download game world and I did and I got
my account all set up but had no idea how to start games and how the
whole thing worked.  If you wish to write off line, please do.  Another
problem I had is when I closed the app and then opened it again later,
it crashed on me several times.  Have you ever had this problem before? 
I called Apple Accessibility and the agent was terrified when I opened
the app.  It was a strange picture of an ugly looking cat and it lasted
ten seconds and then the app crashed.  I will try downloading it again
like he suggested but if this is going to keep happening, I won't bother
using it.  One more question, how do friends find you and how do I find
friends?  Thank you all for your help.  It is greatly appreciated.

Shelly

On 4/11/2020 9:10 PM, Dave wrote:
> Hello Olusegun,
>
>
> <Slight laugh>  I think Grumpiness happens when you Care too much about
> something, but can't do a darn thing to change it.
>
>
> But, if you Need Grumpy Lessons, I probably could enroll you in the Next
> "Intro to Grumpiness" class.   Let me know eh?
>
>
> As for the Backgammon lessons-
>
>
> I would think you should be able to Google for the Rules of Backgammon.
>
>
> However, if you would like the Personal Touch, I could call you, or you
> me, and you could have your Backgammon board and I mine, and I could
> walk you through the basics.
>
>
> If you have ever played "Aggravation", or Parcheesi" or Trouble, all of
> these Games are similar to Backgammon.
>
>
> The one thing Backgammon has, that adds a great deal to the Game is the
> Doubling Cube.
>
>
> Since Backgammon is a Dice game, there is a great deal of "Chance"
> involved.  So much so, that a Beginner player, could beat an Expert
> player if they were to only play one game.  The beginner player happen
> to roll some great Dice, and the Expert couldn't roll Doubles if he
> had to.
>
> So, what most do who are serious Backgammon players do,  is to play a
> Tournament.  Which is an agreed on number of Games.  Say 10 Games, or 50
> Games.
>
>
> At the start of the Game, that game is worth only One Game.  So if you
> should win that game, you can put that one game in the Win Col um.
>
>
> Where the Doubling Cube comes into play is when Grumpy Dave is playing
> against Olusegun
> , and Dave looks at the Board and the placement of his Pieces, and the
> placement of your Pieces, and notices that he is ahead.
>
>
> Dave could then take the Doubling Cube, and place it on your side of the
> board, as he says, I Double you.  by my doing this, I have just
> challenged you to raise the worth of the current Game to be Double of
> what it had been before.  Since the game was worth only one game, to
> double the worth of that game would now make that game worth two games
> to the person who wins that game.
>
>
> Now if you hear my challenge, and you take a look at the Board and the
> arrangement of the pieces, and you determine there is no way you will
> win, you can refuse the offer to Double, and at that point the game is
> over, as to refuse the offer to double is an automatic Forfeit of that
> game.
>
>
> Because the nature of Backgammon is very fluid, a couple of bad dice
> rolls and a couple of good ones by the opponent, could easily turn a
> losing game for you, into one that is now a winning game for you.
>
>
> As the game progresses, perhaps the advantage has swung in your
> direction, and it is now you who looks to be winning.  You could then
> challenge me by stating that you are Doubling me, and if I refuse, you
> win two games, since that is what the game was worth when I refused the
> offer to Double.  Now if I accept your challenge, the game we are
> playing, is now worth 4 games.
>
>
> the Doubling cube goes all the way up to 64.
>
>
> So if that game is now worth 4 games, the winner would be able to add
> four games to the win column.
>
>
>
> Having this Doubling Cube adds a great deal of extra energy to the game.
>
>
> There is much more to the game, and you can read the rules, but the best
> way to get an idea is for us to talk by phone, and for both of us to
> have a Backgammon game in front of us as we talk.
>
>
> Back in the 1980's when this game was much more popular, I almost
> Monthly would lower my Rent by $50 as my Land Lord was an avid player,
> and we would play for money.  In his case I had to give him money, or
> take him out to some place for dinner, or lunch, and if I won the
> Tournament, he would play to a limit of $50 lost, which he would then
> take off of my next months rent.
>
>
> Backgammon is my all time favorite game, too bad it's popularity has
> gone down to just about Zero.
>
>
> Perhaps the game is still popular within some cultures from other
> Countries.  But, have never checked this out.
>
>
> Let me know if you want to talk by phone for some Backgammon
> instruction, and we will make arrangements to make it happen.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: OT, happy easter

Shelly Kane
 

Happy Easter Everyone!  Hope you all are having a great day despite the circumstances.  Try to make the best of it.  Stay safe and healthy.

Shelly

On 4/12/2020 4:26 AM, Victor wrote:
Hi all:

I also wish everyone a happy Easter!

Blessings,

Victor
On Apr 12, 2020, at 3:23 AM, aisha <2001.aisha123@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,


I hope everyone has a great easter sunday today what ever you are doing.


and a safe one too


aisha



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