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Re: My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

Monte Single
 

Hi Dave,

Iagree with Gene, Cathyann produces very good training.
For those on a tight budget, her courses may be a bit pricey.

For some people, The ATI courses may start too far ahead as it is necessary to know the keyboard and some really basic concepts, whether using Mac or Windows.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: June-09-20 7:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

One of the mailing lists to which I'm subscribed is for trainers who provide technology training to the visually impaired. Truth be told I haven't done regular formal training in over four years but I do provide training and assistance to friends and I regularly help out on various lists and other forums where I can. Anyway, I posted the following message to that list regarding what I think is a real need for good, comprehensive training products for users who are either new or inexperienced with Windows. There is a surprisingly small amount of such products and I feel that it's time for that to change. Please consider reading the below message and let me know what you honestly think, even if you feel that there really isn't the need for this sort of material.
Here is what I posted.


Hello. I am working with a couple of friends who are new or at least inexperienced in using Windows 10 with a screen reader. One user has not used a Windows computer in quite some time and so she would need a tutorial to guide her not only with introducing her to a screen reader but to the Windows operating system itself. In the early days of Windows
3.1 and the Windows 95/98 era there were a few such products in existence. I am honestly amazed at how few of these tutorials are actually available today covering the use of Windows 10 from the perspective of a very new visually impaired user. I realize that there is no shortage of competent trainers but some users may not be able to afford the services of one on one training. However, they might be willing to purchase a prepackaged tutorial. I realize that there are perhaps many challenges to a one size fits all approach and some might very correctly argue that having customized one on one training is ultimately better for the user since the trainer can more easily adapt to the needs and learning style of the user. This is certainly a valid point and one which I would not debate. However, I have fond memories of some very good training materials from some very talented trainers. The "Speaking Of" series from Krista Earl comes to mind and I had the opportunity to meet Krista about four years ago and I wasted no time in telling her that this new generation of computer users needs her talents. Braille tutorials would also be nice and would be very inclusive for those who are deaf-blind. I'd love to produce one myself but I not only detest the sound of my own voice but I'm a bit of a newcomer myself when it comes to audio production.

I guess that I'll finish up with two questions. First, what tutorials are currently available covering Windows 10 from the perspective of a total novice? Second, have any of you considered producing one? I can almost guarantee that you'd find that many people would gladly purchase it. I realize the irony of the catch 22 situation where promoting such a product on the Web might not actually reach the very people being targeted since many of them aren't savvy when it comes to Web navigation. To that objection I offer the following responses for your consideration.

First, if your tutorial or tutorials are thorough many people who are already online might still purchase them if they feel that they will be able to learn even more or to perhaps fill in any missing gaps in their knowledge. For that matter I'd likely purchase it myself if I knew it would be comprehensive even though I've been using Windows competently since the Windows 3.1 days as there are always new things I know I could learn or perhaps more efficient methods of performing certain tasks that I already perform. I acknowledge that I'm good at what I do but I also acknowledge that I don't know everything.

Second, people like me or others in the assistive technology field would surely be happy to promote anyone's product if it's good, presented well and if it's comprehensive and user friendly.

Third, you could always advertise in periodicals such as the Braille Forum or the Braille Monitor which reaches a very wide and diverse audience. You could ask an organization like Computers for the Blind to mention you as a potential resource by including your information along with every computer they sell. In fact, you could create a mini tutorial for free and ask if they'd be willing to distribute it with their computers and the tutorial could mention a more complete package with your company's contact information.

I'd welcome your input on this topic. I think there is a real need for good, comprehensive training materials either in Braille, in an audio format or, ideally, both. I will likely attempt to do this myself but in my case it's likely going to take a bit of time.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


This week on Eyes On Success: Comcast Innovations in Accessible TV

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Re: My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

Gene
 

I don't know what is currently available in any detail. Kathy Anne Murtha's material is designed for new users of Windows who know nothing or almost nothing. They need to know how to type and that's about it. They may be priced high enough that many people wouldn't buy them, but if someone really wants that kind of thorough training, her material is very good. Hadley School may have material for free. I don't know what they offer, but I know they offer training material.

We need to have discussion of what is available now, if people know. I don't know whether new material should be created or if its just repeating what is already available.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 8:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

One of the mailing lists to which I'm subscribed is for trainers who
provide technology training to the visually impaired. Truth be told I
haven't done regular formal training in over four years but I do provide
training and assistance to friends and I regularly help out on various
lists and other forums where I can. Anyway, I posted the following
message to that list regarding what I think is a real need for good,
comprehensive training products for users who are either new or
inexperienced with Windows. There is a surprisingly small amount of such
products and I feel that it's time for that to change. Please consider
reading the below message and let me know what you honestly think, even
if you feel that there really isn't the need for this sort of material.
Here is what I posted.


Hello. I am working with a couple of friends who are new or at least
inexperienced in using Windows 10 with a screen reader. One user has not
used a Windows computer in quite some time and so she would need a
tutorial to guide her not only with introducing her to a screen reader
but to the Windows operating system itself. In the early days of Windows
3.1 and the Windows 95/98 era there were a few such products in
existence. I am honestly amazed at how few of these tutorials are
actually available today covering the use of Windows 10 from the
perspective of a very new visually impaired user. I realize that there
is no shortage of competent trainers but some users may not be able to
afford the services of one on one training. However, they might be
willing to purchase a prepackaged tutorial. I realize that there are
perhaps many challenges to a one size fits all approach and some might
very correctly argue that having customized one on one training is
ultimately better for the user since the trainer can more easily adapt
to the needs and learning style of the user. This is certainly a valid
point and one which I would not debate. However, I have fond memories of
some very good training materials from some very talented trainers. The
"Speaking Of" series from Krista Earl comes to mind and I had the
opportunity to meet Krista about four years ago and I wasted no time in
telling her that this new generation of computer users needs her
talents. Braille tutorials would also be nice and would be very
inclusive for those who are deaf-blind. I'd love to produce one myself
but I not only detest the sound of my own voice but I'm a bit of a
newcomer myself when it comes to audio production.

I guess that I'll finish up with two questions. First, what tutorials
are currently available covering Windows 10 from the perspective of a
total novice? Second, have any of you considered producing one? I can
almost guarantee that you'd find that many people would gladly purchase
it. I realize the irony of the catch 22 situation where promoting such a
product on the Web might not actually reach the very people being
targeted since many of them aren't savvy when it comes to Web
navigation. To that objection I offer the following responses for your
consideration.

First, if your tutorial or tutorials are thorough many people who are
already online might still purchase them if they feel that they will be
able to learn even more or to perhaps fill in any missing gaps in their
knowledge. For that matter I'd likely purchase it myself if I knew it
would be comprehensive even though I've been using Windows competently
since the Windows 3.1 days as there are always new things I know I could
learn or perhaps more efficient methods of performing certain tasks that
I already perform. I acknowledge that I'm good at what I do but I also
acknowledge that I don't know everything.

Second, people like me or others in the assistive technology field would
surely be happy to promote anyone's product if it's good, presented well
and if it's comprehensive and user friendly.

Third, you could always advertise in periodicals such as the Braille
Forum or the Braille Monitor which reaches a very wide and diverse
audience. You could ask an organization like Computers for the Blind to
mention you as a potential resource by including your information along
with every computer they sell. In fact, you could create a mini tutorial
for free and ask if they'd be willing to distribute it with their
computers and the tutorial could mention a more complete package with
your company's contact information.

I'd welcome your input on this topic. I think there is a real need for
good, comprehensive training materials either in Braille, in an audio
format or, ideally, both. I will likely attempt to do this myself but in
my case it's likely going to take a bit of time.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

E.M. Kirtley
 

I agree with you whole heartedly. I would buy it, and know several people that would also.
krista or someone as knowledgeable as she is very much needed.

Ms. E. Kirtley

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

One of the mailing lists to which I'm subscribed is for trainers who
provide technology training to the visually impaired. Truth be told I
haven't done regular formal training in over four years but I do provide
training and assistance to friends and I regularly help out on various
lists and other forums where I can. Anyway, I posted the following
message to that list regarding what I think is a real need for good,
comprehensive training products for users who are either new or
inexperienced with Windows. There is a surprisingly small amount of such
products and I feel that it's time for that to change. Please consider
reading the below message and let me know what you honestly think, even
if you feel that there really isn't the need for this sort of material.
Here is what I posted.


Hello. I am working with a couple of friends who are new or at least
inexperienced in using Windows 10 with a screen reader. One user has not
used a Windows computer in quite some time and so she would need a
tutorial to guide her not only with introducing her to a screen reader
but to the Windows operating system itself. In the early days of Windows
3.1 and the Windows 95/98 era there were a few such products in
existence. I am honestly amazed at how few of these tutorials are
actually available today covering the use of Windows 10 from the
perspective of a very new visually impaired user. I realize that there
is no shortage of competent trainers but some users may not be able to
afford the services of one on one training. However, they might be
willing to purchase a prepackaged tutorial. I realize that there are
perhaps many challenges to a one size fits all approach and some might
very correctly argue that having customized one on one training is
ultimately better for the user since the trainer can more easily adapt
to the needs and learning style of the user. This is certainly a valid
point and one which I would not debate. However, I have fond memories of
some very good training materials from some very talented trainers. The
"Speaking Of" series from Krista Earl comes to mind and I had the
opportunity to meet Krista about four years ago and I wasted no time in
telling her that this new generation of computer users needs her
talents. Braille tutorials would also be nice and would be very
inclusive for those who are deaf-blind. I'd love to produce one myself
but I not only detest the sound of my own voice but I'm a bit of a
newcomer myself when it comes to audio production.

I guess that I'll finish up with two questions. First, what tutorials
are currently available covering Windows 10 from the perspective of a
total novice? Second, have any of you considered producing one? I can
almost guarantee that you'd find that many people would gladly purchase
it. I realize the irony of the catch 22 situation where promoting such a
product on the Web might not actually reach the very people being
targeted since many of them aren't savvy when it comes to Web
navigation. To that objection I offer the following responses for your
consideration.

First, if your tutorial or tutorials are thorough many people who are
already online might still purchase them if they feel that they will be
able to learn even more or to perhaps fill in any missing gaps in their
knowledge. For that matter I'd likely purchase it myself if I knew it
would be comprehensive even though I've been using Windows competently
since the Windows 3.1 days as there are always new things I know I could
learn or perhaps more efficient methods of performing certain tasks that
I already perform. I acknowledge that I'm good at what I do but I also
acknowledge that I don't know everything.

Second, people like me or others in the assistive technology field would
surely be happy to promote anyone's product if it's good, presented well
and if it's comprehensive and user friendly.

Third, you could always advertise in periodicals such as the Braille
Forum or the Braille Monitor which reaches a very wide and diverse
audience. You could ask an organization like Computers for the Blind to
mention you as a potential resource by including your information along
with every computer they sell. In fact, you could create a mini tutorial
for free and ask if they'd be willing to distribute it with their
computers and the tutorial could mention a more complete package with
your company's contact information.

I'd welcome your input on this topic. I think there is a real need for
good, comprehensive training materials either in Braille, in an audio
format or, ideally, both. I will likely attempt to do this myself but in
my case it's likely going to take a bit of time.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: MY AUDIO ISSUES

E.M. Kirtley
 

I have a pair of Harmon Kardon speakers that I have been using for twenty years, no problems. The sound is great.

Ms. E. Kirtley

-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 8:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I cant get another cable because the cable that has a short is connected
permanently to the right speaker. I did get another cable, the one that
connected to the pc audio jack.My main issues is to find a pare of speakers
that has a long cord between them. I need about six feet to go across my
work area. All the USB speakers, have short cords. I am looking for another
2.0 or 2.1 satellite speaker system! I just will not use the brand of
speakers I had before. It claimed life time coverage and they refused to
honor it! Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES


Why not just get another cable? You would save a lot of money. If the speakers stay in one place, that would be by far the cheapest way to solve the problem if it is the cable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 8:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES



Well, I am thinking after all my testing that one of my speakers has a short in it! So has anyone heard of a set of speakers that does not rely on a cable to connect the other speaker. That one has to rely on a connecting cable to pare both speakers? I refuse to buy a set of speakers where one always has a connecting wire to it, rather just have one that allows one to connect both speakers manually! My speaker with the wire is the one with the short. I had to reconnect the speakers to the pc with a different audio cable to figure out it was not the audio sound card. I am not very technical about what you would call a set of speakers connected by a cable instead of one speaker having a wire that connect to the other speaker. I want to avoid this issue if the one with the wire has the short again! I only had these speakers for 5 years, my others lasted 10 years and I actually gave them to someone when I moved! Thanks Heather









My Note to the Blind Trainers Mailing List Regarding the Need for Training Materials For New or inexperienced Users

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

One of the mailing lists to which I'm subscribed is for trainers who provide technology training to the visually impaired. Truth be told I haven't done regular formal training in over four years but I do provide training and assistance to friends and I regularly help out on various lists and other forums where I can. Anyway, I posted the following message to that list regarding what I think is a real need for good, comprehensive training products for users who are either new or inexperienced with Windows. There is a surprisingly small amount of such products and I feel that it's time for that to change. Please consider reading the below message and let me know what you honestly think, even if you feel that there really isn't the need for this sort of material. Here is what I posted.


Hello. I am working with a couple of friends who are new or at least inexperienced in using Windows 10 with a screen reader. One user has not used a Windows computer in quite some time and so she would need a tutorial to guide her not only with introducing her to a screen reader but to the Windows operating system itself. In the early days of Windows 3.1 and the Windows 95/98 era there were a few such products in existence. I am honestly amazed at how few of these tutorials are actually available today covering the use of Windows 10 from the perspective of a very new visually impaired user. I realize that there is no shortage of competent trainers but some users may not be able to afford the services of one on one training. However, they might be willing to purchase a prepackaged tutorial. I realize that there are perhaps many challenges to a one size fits all approach and some might very correctly argue that having customized one on one training is ultimately better for the user since the trainer can more easily adapt to the needs and learning style of the user. This is certainly a valid point and one which I would not debate. However, I have fond memories of some very good training materials from some very talented trainers. The "Speaking Of" series from Krista Earl comes to mind and I had the opportunity to meet Krista about four years ago and I wasted no time in telling her that this new generation of computer users needs her talents. Braille tutorials would also be nice and would be very inclusive for those who are deaf-blind. I'd love to produce one myself but I not only detest the sound of my own voice but I'm a bit of a newcomer myself when it comes to audio production.

I guess that I'll finish up with two questions. First, what tutorials are currently available covering Windows 10 from the perspective of a total novice? Second, have any of you considered producing one? I can almost guarantee that you'd find that many people would gladly purchase it. I realize the irony of the catch 22 situation where promoting such a product on the Web might not actually reach the very people being targeted since many of them aren't savvy when it comes to Web navigation. To that objection I offer the following responses for your consideration.

First, if your tutorial or tutorials are thorough many people who are already online might still purchase them if they feel that they will be able to learn even more or to perhaps fill in any missing gaps in their knowledge. For that matter I'd likely purchase it myself if I knew it would be comprehensive even though I've been using Windows competently since the Windows 3.1 days as there are always new things I know I could learn or perhaps more efficient methods of performing certain tasks that I already perform. I acknowledge that I'm good at what I do but I also acknowledge that I don't know everything.

Second, people like me or others in the assistive technology field would surely be happy to promote anyone's product if it's good, presented well and if it's comprehensive and user friendly.

Third, you could always advertise in periodicals such as the Braille Forum or the Braille Monitor which reaches a very wide and diverse audience. You could ask an organization like Computers for the Blind to mention you as a potential resource by including your information along with every computer they sell. In fact, you could create a mini tutorial for free and ask if they'd be willing to distribute it with their computers and the tutorial could mention a more complete package with your company's contact information.

I'd welcome your input on this topic. I think there is a real need for good, comprehensive training materials either in Braille, in an audio format or, ideally, both. I will likely attempt to do this myself but in my case it's likely going to take a bit of time.


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: MY AUDIO ISSUES

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  There are Bluetooth speakers that are capable of very decent quality when it comes to music.  I have a pair of portable Bluetooth speakers that I bought for around $80 that is capable of producing good quality music which I use for listening to music on a daily basis of which I am quite satisfied with.  Cheers!

On 9/6/2020 11:29 pm, Gene wrote:
I mean, if you listen to music and want the best sound quality, you might want to discuss that.

Gene
----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

As implied in mhy last answer, getting a pair of speakers where the wires
can be detatched and replaced may solve your problem, or I would think a set
of bluetooth speakers would or some sort of USB speakers might. I'm not
sure if you lose sound quality to any extent using Bluetooth speakers.  If
you listen to music, you may want to discuss that.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:26 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

That's really bad design, ever having a cable permanently connected to a
speaker.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I cant get another cable because the cable that has a short is connected
permanently to the right speaker. I did get another cable, the one that
connected to the pc audio jack.My main issues is to find a pare of speakers
that has a long cord between them. I need about six feet to go across my
work area. All the USB speakers, have short cords. I am looking for another
2.0 or 2.1  satellite speaker system! I just will not use the brand of
speakers I had before. It claimed life time coverage and they refused to
honor it! Thanks Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES


Why not just get another cable?  You would save a lot of money.  If the speakers stay in one place, that would be by far the cheapest way to solve the problem if it is the cable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message----- From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 8:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES



Well, I am thinking after all my testing that one of my speakers has a short in it! So has anyone heard of a set of speakers that does not rely on a cable to connect the other speaker. That one has to rely on a connecting cable to pare both speakers? I refuse to buy a set of speakers where one always has a connecting wire to it, rather just have one that allows one to connect both speakers manually! My speaker with the wire is the one with the short. I had to reconnect the speakers to the pc with a different audio cable to figure out it was not the audio sound card. I am not very technical about what you would call a set of speakers connected by a cable instead of one speaker having a wire that connect to the other speaker. I want to avoid this issue if the one with the wire has the short again! I only had these speakers for 5 years, my others lasted 10 years and I actually gave them to someone when I moved! Thanks Heather
















Re: MY AUDIO ISSUES

chris judge
 

Some higher end ones might have detachable cables, but I don't think I've ever seen such.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 9, 2020 4:25 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I've used headphones for quite a while and I don't recall if my speakers had wires permanently connected. If so, and if that is what is generally done, I consider it bad design. I think speakers should be able to be connected to wires, you would plug into the computer so that if they become damaged, they can be easily replaced.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

Interesting. I can't recall ever seeing a set of computer speakers that didn't have the cables permanently attached.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 9, 2020 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

That's really bad design, ever having a cable permanently connected to a speaker.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I cant get another cable because the cable that has a short is connected permanently to the right speaker. I did get another cable, the one that connected to the pc audio jack.My main issues is to find a pare of speakers that has a long cord between them. I need about six feet to go across my work area. All the USB speakers, have short cords. I am looking for another
2.0 or 2.1 satellite speaker system! I just will not use the brand of speakers I had before. It claimed life time coverage and they refused to honor it! Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES


Why not just get another cable? You would save a lot of money. If
the speakers stay in one place, that would be by far the cheapest way
to solve the problem if it is the cable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 8:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES



Well, I am thinking after all my testing that one of my speakers has a
short in it! So has anyone heard of a set of speakers that does not
rely on a cable to connect the other speaker. That one has to rely on
a connecting cable to pare both speakers? I refuse to buy a set of
speakers where one always has a connecting wire to it, rather just
have one that allows one to connect both speakers manually! My speaker
with the wire is the one with the short. I had to reconnect the
speakers to the pc with a different audio cable to figure out it was
not the audio sound card. I am not very technical about what you would
call a set of speakers connected by a cable instead of one speaker
having a wire that connect to the other speaker. I want to avoid this
issue if the one with the wire has the short again! I only had these
speakers for 5 years, my others lasted 10 years and I actually gave
them to someone when I moved! Thanks Heather









Re: File Explorer View and Total Items

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Howdy Joe,
 
I never have problems with reading the incorrect amount of files / folders anywhere on either my Windows 7 or 10 computers.  I always set my view settings to, List , Sort by, Name , and Group by, None.
Maybe you can give these settings a try to see if you like them, and if not, switch them to whatever,  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet.

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Rose
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] File Explorer View and Total Items




Hi Joe, this issue was mentioned on Freedom Scientific podcast 184, they suggested making sure the file view is set to detailed mode.  Below is a transcript of the question.
And my second thing is kind of a longstanding thing that I’ve noticed, I just thought to bring up, probably all the way back to XP, I’m thinking.  The
reporting of the number of items in a list view in File Explorer or Windows Explorer is not very accurate.
So, for example, let’s say you’re in the Documents folder, and you’re moving down into seven of 12, and you’re moving down eight, nine.  And then it’ll
say, like, 14 of 22.  So it’s almost like it’s not seeing everything, or completely getting the total count of items in there.  And I’ve noticed that,
I think that’s been going on for a pretty long time.
GLEN:  And you’re running Windows 10 currently?
JASON:  Yes, sir.
GLEN:  Yeah.  This has come up in the last year or so, and I remember actually personally looking at it and not being able to replicate the problem in
more recent versions of Windows 10.
JASON:  Okay.
GLEN:  But I admit I haven’t looked at it in the last six or nine months.  Or I may have just gotten it wrong.  So probably worth us investigating again.
JASON:  Yeah, I just noticed it this morning.  That’s kind of what made me think to bring it up.  It’s like, oh, since I’m on here, I might as well ask
about that.  I was going through the Documents folder, as a matter of fact, and it was kind of doing the same thing I just mentioned.  So thought that
was quite unusual.
GLEN:  We got something from Aaron Spears.  And he said he’s set to Details Mode.  And so am I.  And he said that in Details Mode for him he’s not seeing
that problem, where you only get a count of how many items are on the screen, rather than how many items are in the list.
JASON:  Okay.  Okay.
GLEN:  So you might try Details Mode and see if that improves things.
JASON:  Thank you.  Appreciate everybody’s time.  Thank you.
GLEN:  Yeah.
RACHEL:  Yeah, thank you so much.
GLEN:  Thank Aaron.  I take no credit.


Re: MY AUDIO ISSUES

Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@...>
 

That's exactly why they sell the speakers with fixed connections. So when one breaks you have to replace the whole set. Think of the bottom line.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:25:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I've used headphones for quite a while and I don't recall if my speakers had
wires permanently connected. If so, and if that is what is generally done,
I consider it bad design. I think speakers should be able to be connected
to wires, you would plug into the computer so that if they become damaged,
they can be easily replaced.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

Interesting. I can't recall ever seeing a set of computer speakers that
didn't have the cables permanently attached.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 9, 2020 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

That's really bad design, ever having a cable permanently connected to a
speaker.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I cant get another cable because the cable that has a short is connected
permanently to the right speaker. I did get another cable, the one that
connected to the pc audio jack.My main issues is to find a pare of speakers
that has a long cord between them. I need about six feet to go across my
work area. All the USB speakers, have short cords. I am looking for another
2.0 or 2.1 satellite speaker system! I just will not use the brand of
speakers I had before. It claimed life time coverage and they refused to
honor it! Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES


Why not just get another cable? You would save a lot of money. If the
speakers stay in one place, that would be by far the cheapest way to solve
the problem if it is the cable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 8:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES



Well, I am thinking after all my testing that one of my speakers has a
short in it! So has anyone heard of a set of speakers that does not rely
on a cable to connect the other speaker. That one has to rely on a
connecting cable to pare both speakers? I refuse to buy a set of speakers
where one always has a connecting wire to it, rather just have one that
allows one to connect both speakers manually! My speaker with the wire is
the one with the short. I had to reconnect the speakers to the pc with a
different audio cable to figure out it was not the audio sound card. I am
not very technical about what you would call a set of speakers connected
by a cable instead of one speaker having a wire that connect to the other
speaker. I want to avoid this issue if the one with the wire has the short
again! I only had these speakers for 5 years, my others lasted 10 years
and I actually gave them to someone when I moved! Thanks Heather






















Re: File Explorer View and Total Items

Doug Rose <dougdrose@...>
 




Hi Joe, this issue was mentioned on Freedom Scientific podcast 184, they suggested making sure the file view is set to detailed mode.  Below is a transcript of the question.
And my second thing is kind of a longstanding thing that I’ve noticed, I just thought to bring up, probably all the way back to XP, I’m thinking.  The
reporting of the number of items in a list view in File Explorer or Windows Explorer is not very accurate.
So, for example, let’s say you’re in the Documents folder, and you’re moving down into seven of 12, and you’re moving down eight, nine.  And then it’ll
say, like, 14 of 22.  So it’s almost like it’s not seeing everything, or completely getting the total count of items in there.  And I’ve noticed that,
I think that’s been going on for a pretty long time.
GLEN:  And you’re running Windows 10 currently?
JASON:  Yes, sir.
GLEN:  Yeah.  This has come up in the last year or so, and I remember actually personally looking at it and not being able to replicate the problem in
more recent versions of Windows 10.
JASON:  Okay.
GLEN:  But I admit I haven’t looked at it in the last six or nine months.  Or I may have just gotten it wrong.  So probably worth us investigating again.
JASON:  Yeah, I just noticed it this morning.  That’s kind of what made me think to bring it up.  It’s like, oh, since I’m on here, I might as well ask
about that.  I was going through the Documents folder, as a matter of fact, and it was kind of doing the same thing I just mentioned.  So thought that
was quite unusual.
GLEN:  We got something from Aaron Spears.  And he said he’s set to Details Mode.  And so am I.  And he said that in Details Mode for him he’s not seeing
that problem, where you only get a count of how many items are on the screen, rather than how many items are in the list.
JASON:  Okay.  Okay.
GLEN:  So you might try Details Mode and see if that improves things.
JASON:  Thank you.  Appreciate everybody’s time.  Thank you.
GLEN:  Yeah.
RACHEL:  Yeah, thank you so much.
GLEN:  Thank Aaron.  I take no credit.


Re: File Transfers

Mary Smith <ms0120@...>
 

Joe, I've been using a program called Teracopy for a long time. I find it better when moving large files.

On 2020-06-09 2:35 p.m., Joe Orozco wrote:
Forgive the second post. In Windows 10, and Windows 7 for that matter,
the system has always been glitchy about transferring large numbers of
files. It'll get hung up on something and wait a bit before asking if
I want to skip and whether or not I want to apply to all the selected
items. Are any of you using File Explorer alternatives, and have you
found them to be better/faster about moving files between internal
folders and external drives? Thank you for any information.

Joe


Re: MY AUDIO ISSUES

Gene
 

I've used headphones for quite a while and I don't recall if my speakers had wires permanently connected. If so, and if that is what is generally done, I consider it bad design. I think speakers should be able to be connected to wires, you would plug into the computer so that if they become damaged, they can be easily replaced.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

Interesting. I can't recall ever seeing a set of computer speakers that didn't have the cables permanently attached.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 9, 2020 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

That's really bad design, ever having a cable permanently connected to a speaker.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I cant get another cable because the cable that has a short is connected permanently to the right speaker. I did get another cable, the one that connected to the pc audio jack.My main issues is to find a pare of speakers that has a long cord between them. I need about six feet to go across my work area. All the USB speakers, have short cords. I am looking for another
2.0 or 2.1 satellite speaker system! I just will not use the brand of speakers I had before. It claimed life time coverage and they refused to honor it! Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES


Why not just get another cable? You would save a lot of money. If the
speakers stay in one place, that would be by far the cheapest way to solve
the problem if it is the cable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 8:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES



Well, I am thinking after all my testing that one of my speakers has a
short in it! So has anyone heard of a set of speakers that does not rely
on a cable to connect the other speaker. That one has to rely on a
connecting cable to pare both speakers? I refuse to buy a set of speakers
where one always has a connecting wire to it, rather just have one that
allows one to connect both speakers manually! My speaker with the wire is
the one with the short. I had to reconnect the speakers to the pc with a
different audio cable to figure out it was not the audio sound card. I am
not very technical about what you would call a set of speakers connected
by a cable instead of one speaker having a wire that connect to the other
speaker. I want to avoid this issue if the one with the wire has the short
again! I only had these speakers for 5 years, my others lasted 10 years
and I actually gave them to someone when I moved! Thanks Heather









Re: File Transfers

Monte Single
 

On this p c I'm using win7 and current nvda.
I have no solution, I recently purchased a 4 tb external usb drive, a w d my passport drive.
I've been moving 2 tb of data from my internal drive, all I use this drive for is storage. The o s and all programs on on a s s d.
Yes, there were a lot of interruption, about skipping, can't move this file, and more.
Definitely not a smoothe transfer
Suggestion appreciated.
Thanks,
Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: June-09-20 12:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] File Transfers

Forgive the second post. In Windows 10, and Windows 7 for that matter, the system has always been glitchy about transferring large numbers of files. It'll get hung up on something and wait a bit before asking if I want to skip and whether or not I want to apply to all the selected items. Are any of you using File Explorer alternatives, and have you found them to be better/faster about moving files between internal folders and external drives? Thank you for any information.

Joe


File Transfers

Joe Orozco
 

Forgive the second post. In Windows 10, and Windows 7 for that matter,
the system has always been glitchy about transferring large numbers of
files. It'll get hung up on something and wait a bit before asking if
I want to skip and whether or not I want to apply to all the selected
items. Are any of you using File Explorer alternatives, and have you
found them to be better/faster about moving files between internal
folders and external drives? Thank you for any information.

Joe


File Explorer View and Total Items

Joe Orozco
 

I'm using the JAWS 2020 latest build on Windows 10. When I go into
File Explorer, JAWS will announce the highlighted folder or file and
give the total number of items in that folder. Except, this number is
wrong. It'll say File Name, 1 of 17, or some such. How can I configure
my view so that it accurately reads the total number of items in a
folder? Thank you so much for your help in advance.

Joe


Re: MY AUDIO ISSUES

chris judge
 

Interesting. I can't recall ever seeing a set of computer speakers that didn't have the cables permanently attached.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 9, 2020 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

That's really bad design, ever having a cable permanently connected to a speaker.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 10:24 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES

I cant get another cable because the cable that has a short is connected permanently to the right speaker. I did get another cable, the one that connected to the pc audio jack.My main issues is to find a pare of speakers that has a long cord between them. I need about six feet to go across my work area. All the USB speakers, have short cords. I am looking for another
2.0 or 2.1 satellite speaker system! I just will not use the brand of speakers I had before. It claimed life time coverage and they refused to honor it! Thanks Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2020 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES


Why not just get another cable? You would save a lot of money. If the
speakers stay in one place, that would be by far the cheapest way to solve
the problem if it is the cable.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 8:24 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] MY AUDIO ISSUES



Well, I am thinking after all my testing that one of my speakers has a
short in it! So has anyone heard of a set of speakers that does not rely
on a cable to connect the other speaker. That one has to rely on a
connecting cable to pare both speakers? I refuse to buy a set of speakers
where one always has a connecting wire to it, rather just have one that
allows one to connect both speakers manually! My speaker with the wire is
the one with the short. I had to reconnect the speakers to the pc with a
different audio cable to figure out it was not the audio sound card. I am
not very technical about what you would call a set of speakers connected
by a cable instead of one speaker having a wire that connect to the other
speaker. I want to avoid this issue if the one with the wire has the short
again! I only had these speakers for 5 years, my others lasted 10 years
and I actually gave them to someone when I moved! Thanks Heather









Re: From the owner: Why I haven't been on the list for a few days

Jan Howells <janhowells54@...>
 

Very happy to hear that you are feeling better and out of hospital, Gene. God's speed!

Jan


2 questions

Amy Gordon
 

Hi, I have the new Iphone se and I have been having trouble with my
text tone not working. Even downloaded anotherone and it did good for
a few days now back to not working sometimes. I already know it isn't
on mute. Just is strange that sometimes it works and sometimes it
don't. Wondering if anyone else has this trouble? My new phone does
have the newest update.
Question 2 On my windows laptop I have the new edge browser and was
wondering if there is a way to set it up like crome to where the
images are described? I use Jaws if that helps.
Thanks,
Amy


Re: From the owner: Why I haven't been on the list for a few days

Madison Martin
 

Hi Jean,
Sorry to hear that, glad to hear that you're doing fine now!! Take care,
Madison

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June 9, 2020 5:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] From the owner: Why I haven't been on the list for a few
days

I unexpectedly had to go into hospital a few days ago because of complications
from a minor surgical procedure I had done shortly before.
Things are going well and the complications may well have been resolved.

I'm back now and I feel fine. I see the main list and the chat list have been
having a lively time in muy absense. I'm catching up on mail now. And when I'm
not around, Laaz does his usual excellent job as moderator, which I very much
appreciate.

Gene, Owner

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