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Re: At&T accessibility

Sean Paul
 

I’ve never had one issue using the AT&T app on my iPhone. I pay my bill, check my data usage even though it’s unlimited, I’ve now set up auto pay, etc.

Sean Paul informs y'all from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2020, at 20:58, Donna <mermaid7@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna


I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: punctuation levels in jaws

Monte Single
 

Hi Mike,

 

I don’t understand the finer points of baseball,  but I suspect  you play shortstop.

You’re always on the ball.

I’ll read through your directions carefully and choose the path that is closest to idiot proof.

 

Thanks a migful,

 

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: July 25, 2020 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] punctuation levels in jaws

 

Monte,

 

Jaws doesn't have a shortcut keystroke for quickly accessing punctuation levels, but below are steps for creating 1.  Below the steps are 3 ways to change punctuation levels the traditional ways.

 

1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws Manager, go to, Keyboard Manager, press enter, navigate to, Default, & tab 1 time to get into the list of options. 
Or, you can go directly from within any program to its JAWS Keyboard Manager (.JKM) by pressing, Insert / Jaws Key + 8, on the number row, then press,
Control, Shift, + D, to open the DEFAULT JAWS Keyboard Manager.
2. In the Default keyboard manager list navigate to, Set Punctuation Level none.  None means there has not been a keystroke assigned.
3. Press the, Alt key, to open the menues, & right arrow to, Action, down arrow to, Add Keystroke..., & press enter.  Or, press, control + A, is the shortcut
keystroke for, asigning a keystroke.
4. Insert a keystroke combination like, control + dash, for example. if the combination is already being used for another command jaws will tell you. 
Doing this in the Default Keyboard Manager, allows this keystroke to be used in all aplications.
5. Tab to the, Okay button, press the spacebar, a dialogue will open asking if you're sure you want to modify the default JKM, press the spacebar on the,
Yes, option.
 
Now, every time you press the control + dash keystroke it changes the punctuation level.  So, press the control + dash keystroke until you hear the punctuation
level you want.
 
If you ever want to change or remove the keystroke open the Keyboard Manager, Find Default, Find Set Punctuation Level, press the, Alt key, right arrow
to Action, & arrow down to make your choice of what you want to do.
 
*** 

 Here are 3 ways of changing the punctuation level setting:
#1.  For an individual application using Jaws Quick Settings:
1. While in any application / program press, Insert + V, to open the Jaws quick settings.
2. In the search field type, punctuation, or just the 1st 4 letters will work as well and it'll take a second for the list to populate.  You should hear
something like, Punctuation 1 of 1 search results.  Now down arrow and you should hear Jaws report, punctuation... with the ... meaning your current level
setting.  Now press the spacebar to toggle through your punctuation level options.  They are None, Some, Most & All.
3. When you hear the level setting you want stop pressing the spacebar, tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.
 
 
 
#2.  To change the punctuation level for an individual application in the Settings Center:
1. Open the Settings Center by pressing, Insert + 6, on the number row.
2. Down arrow to, Punctuation closed, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 2 times to, Punctuation level..., the ... is the current level you're set on.  Now press the spacebar to toggle through your punctuation
level options.  They are None, Some, Most & All.
4. When you hear the level setting you want stop pressing the spacebar, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and
close.
 
#3. To change the punctuation level for all applications in Settings Center default all applications:
1. Open the Settings Center by pressing, Insert + 6, on the number row, now press, control, shift + D, to open Settings Center default all applications.
2. Down arrow to, Punctuation closed, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 2 times to, Punctuation level..., the ... is the current level you're set on.  Now press the spacebar to toggle through your punctuation
level options.  They are None, Some, Most & All.
4. When you hear the level setting you want stop pressing the spacebar, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.
 


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 6:17 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] punctuation levels in jaws

 

Yes,

What is the key combo in jaws to bring up the punctuation level selector?

 

Thanks,

Monte
Re: At&T accessibility

enes sarıbaş
 

Well, I wish they would put the money they spent on stock buybacks and paying shareholders on upgrading their terrible dsl service areas. The worst thing, they charge the exact same price for dsl as fiber or VDSL service.

On 7/25/2020 8:35 PM, heather albright wrote:
I hate atnt, accessibility is a freaken joke with them. I always remind them of this when someone calls trying to sell something to me. Heck, they still have not followed the law with accessible set-top boxes with uverse! Which, I think they do not have anymore anyways. Good luck! Heather
----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna" <mermaid7@bellsouth.net>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] At&T accessibility


Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna


I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: At&T accessibility

heather albright
 

I hate atnt, accessibility is a freaken joke with them. I always remind them of this when someone calls trying to sell something to me. Heck, they still have not followed the law with accessible set-top boxes with uverse! Which, I think they do not have anymore anyways. Good luck! Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna" <mermaid7@bellsouth.net>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] At&T accessibility


Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna


I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: punctuation levels in jaws

Mike B
 

Monte,
 
Jaws doesn't have a shortcut keystroke for quickly accessing punctuation levels, but below are steps for creating 1.  Below the steps are 3 ways to change punctuation levels the traditional ways.
 
1. Press, Insert + F2, to open the Jaws Manager, go to, Keyboard Manager, press enter, navigate to, Default, & tab 1 time to get into the list of options. 
Or, you can go directly from within any program to its JAWS Keyboard Manager (.JKM) by pressing, Insert / Jaws Key + 8, on the number row, then press,
Control, Shift, + D, to open the DEFAULT JAWS Keyboard Manager.
2. In the Default keyboard manager list navigate to, Set Punctuation Level none.  None means there has not been a keystroke assigned.
3. Press the, Alt key, to open the menues, & right arrow to, Action, down arrow to, Add Keystroke..., & press enter.  Or, press, control + A, is the shortcut
keystroke for, asigning a keystroke.
4. Insert a keystroke combination like, control + dash, for example. if the combination is already being used for another command jaws will tell you. 
Doing this in the Default Keyboard Manager, allows this keystroke to be used in all aplications.
5. Tab to the, Okay button, press the spacebar, a dialogue will open asking if you're sure you want to modify the default JKM, press the spacebar on the,
Yes, option.
 
Now, every time you press the control + dash keystroke it changes the punctuation level.  So, press the control + dash keystroke until you hear the punctuation
level you want.
 
If you ever want to change or remove the keystroke open the Keyboard Manager, Find Default, Find Set Punctuation Level, press the, Alt key, right arrow
to Action, & arrow down to make your choice of what you want to do.
 
*** 
 Here are 3 ways of changing the punctuation level setting:
#1.  For an individual application using Jaws Quick Settings:
1. While in any application / program press, Insert + V, to open the Jaws quick settings.
2. In the search field type, punctuation, or just the 1st 4 letters will work as well and it'll take a second for the list to populate.  You should hear
something like, Punctuation 1 of 1 search results.  Now down arrow and you should hear Jaws report, punctuation... with the ... meaning your current level
setting.  Now press the spacebar to toggle through your punctuation level options.  They are None, Some, Most & All.
3. When you hear the level setting you want stop pressing the spacebar, tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.
 
 
 
#2.  To change the punctuation level for an individual application in the Settings Center:
1. Open the Settings Center by pressing, Insert + 6, on the number row.
2. Down arrow to, Punctuation closed, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 2 times to, Punctuation level..., the ... is the current level you're set on.  Now press the spacebar to toggle through your punctuation
level options.  They are None, Some, Most & All.
4. When you hear the level setting you want stop pressing the spacebar, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and
close.
 
#3. To change the punctuation level for all applications in Settings Center default all applications:
1. Open the Settings Center by pressing, Insert + 6, on the number row, now press, control, shift + D, to open Settings Center default all applications.
2. Down arrow to, Punctuation closed, and right arrow to open.
3. Down arrow 2 times to, Punctuation level..., the ... is the current level you're set on.  Now press the spacebar to toggle through your punctuation
level options.  They are None, Some, Most & All.
4. When you hear the level setting you want stop pressing the spacebar, tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, now tab to, Okay, and press enter to save and close.
 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 6:17 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] punctuation levels in jaws

Yes,

What is the key combo in jaws to bring up the punctuation level selector?

 

Thanks,

Monte
Re: At&T accessibility

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Oh OK that explains it.

On Jul 25, 2020, at 8:27 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

The first bill is a video. But all others are just e-mails with a regular bill amount.

On 7/25/2020 8:25 PM, joseph hudson wrote:
What the heck? The my AT&T app is no longer accessible it was whenever I had it a while back and it looked pretty accessible. I can always reinstall it again and ask my brother if I could look at his deal. Because I used to be on his account. The only thing that was a little weird, was when they sent you your bill, it was in a video so he had to tell me what I owed him.
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@twc.com


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Donna <mermaid7@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: At&T accessibility

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi,

The first bill is a video. But all others are just e-mails with a regular bill amount.

On 7/25/2020 8:25 PM, joseph hudson wrote:
What the heck? The my AT&T app is no longer accessible it was whenever I had it a while back and it looked pretty accessible. I can always reinstall it again and ask my brother if I could look at his deal. Because I used to be on his account. The only thing that was a little weird, was when they sent you your bill, it was in a video so he had to tell me what I owed him.
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@twc.com


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Donna <mermaid7@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: At&T accessibility

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi,

The app is accessible. I can do everything with it.

On 7/25/2020 7:58 PM, Donna wrote:
Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: At&T accessibility

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

What the heck? The my AT&T app is no longer accessible it was whenever I had it a while back and it looked pretty accessible. I can always reinstall it again and ask my brother if I could look at his deal. Because I used to be on his account. The only thing that was a little weird, was when they sent you your bill, it was in a video so he had to tell me what I owed him.
joseph hudson

Email FaceTime and iMessage
jhud7789@twc.com


Office phone/what's up messenger

254-300-7667

Emergency sell

254-813-2461

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Donna <mermaid7@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna


I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
punctuation levels in jaws

Monte Single
 

Yes,

What is the key combo in jaws to bring up the punctuation level selector?

 

Thanks,

Monte
Re: At&T accessibility

Donna
 

Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna


I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: NVDA cutting off first letter

Gene
 

I haven't tried it and of course I wouldn't knowingly recommend one. I'm not recommending it based on personal experience, I'm saying that its been around for quite a while and since I haven't heard any complaints and I have heard a number of times that it works, I expect it to and not to cause problems.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 6:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

according to the podcast by Mosen, the setting is not on by default in
Jaws and if you turn it on, you can't use audio ducking. So I will give
the utility a try since I doubt you would ever recommend one that caused
any harm.

On 7/25/2020 10:22 AM, Gene wrote:
I haven't seen any complaints of any kind about the utility. It is completely independent of the screen-reader and just sends some sort of inaudible signal to the soundcard to keep it active. I don't expect it to affect NVDA in any way.

I don't know if the JAWS solution can be turnned off or uninstalled or whatever should be possible for disabling it. But you should be able to use Silenzio with no ill effects on JAWS either.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Does this prevent NVDA from using Audio ducking?




Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio. Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion. The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program. It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do. If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie
Re: At&T accessibility

enes sarıbaş
 

There website is rather arcaic,  but accessible. Good thing you have fiber optics though. I wouldn't use them if you had copper dsl, which is terrible.

On 7/25/2020 6:52 PM, Marie wrote:
I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: NVDA cutting off first letter

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

according to the podcast by Mosen, the setting is not on by default in Jaws and if you turn it on, you can't use audio ducking. So I will give the utility a try since I doubt you would ever recommend one that caused any harm.

On 7/25/2020 10:22 AM, Gene wrote:
I haven't seen any complaints of any kind about the utility.  It is completely independent of the screen-reader and just sends some sort of inaudible signal to the soundcard to keep it active.  I don't expect it to affect NVDA in any way.

I don't know if the JAWS solution can be turnned off or uninstalled or whatever should be possible for disabling it.  But you should be able to use Silenzio with no ill effects on JAWS either.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Does this prevent NVDA from using Audio ducking?




Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio.  Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion.  The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program.  It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do.  If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie
At&T accessibility

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.
Re: NVDA cutting off first letter

Gene
 

I haven't seen any complaints of any kind about the utility. It is completely independent of the screen-reader and just sends some sort of inaudible signal to the soundcard to keep it active. I don't expect it to affect NVDA in any way.

I don't know if the JAWS solution can be turnned off or uninstalled or whatever should be possible for disabling it. But you should be able to use Silenzio with no ill effects on JAWS either.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Does this prevent NVDA from using Audio ducking?




Marie
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio. Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion. The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program. It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do. If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie
Re: NVDA cutting off first letter

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Does this prevent NVDA from using Audio ducking?




Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio. Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion. The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program. It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do. If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie
Re: need help uninstalling a program

Steve Matzura
 

I don't know how it work in NVDA, but in JAWS all those things are stored in a configuration file. I don't use the feature, but I'll create something and tell where it's stored. Of course, if someone already knows, do chime in.

On 7/24/2020 2:59 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm talking about whether a screen-reader shows an entry for a voice.  How does it know?  If there are supposed to be four SAPI 5 voices on a machine, is their any information in the registry that causes the list to include any of these voices?

Whatever the case in this specific instance, it is a bad idea to try to remove programs by removing folders and files. Windows provides a removal mechanism as the proper way to do so and other removal utilities exist because it is generally a bad idea to remove programs jjust by removing files.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Screenreaders don't use the Windows Registry to determine what, if any,
auxiliary configurations should be loaded. You can test and prove this
by creating a config for any standalone program. Of course, standalone
programs don't have Registry keys.


On 7/24/2020 1:43 PM, Gene wrote:
It is a bad idea to remove program files in that way.  It won't change what is in the registrhy but, in the current example, what if there is a registry entry that makes the screen-reader think there are voices available that aren't.  You might move to a SAPI 5 voice in a list showing voices that no longer exist and the screen-reader might freeze. At times, you might remove files and, on startup, you might get an error message about one thing or another not being found. There are times when its better just to leave things alone.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Since folder and Registry entries don't know or care that each other
exist, removing the folders will just clear up space on your system disk
and probably remove some shortcuts. If you have any shortcuts remaining
on the Windows Desktop or Start menu, they of course will fail when
executed, so they, too, should be removed, if for no other reason than
to keep you from tripping over them on your way to other things.


If the removed program had file asociations, they will still be in
effect, so if you were to press ENTER (double-click) on one, Windows
will attempt to launch the program asociated with that filetype,
resulting in the obvious error that the program can't be found any more.


The above tasks are what uninstallers do--clean all this up for
you--files, shortcuts (which are also files), Registry entries, the
works. The good thing is, because processors and memory are fast and
cheap, big fat Registries with lots of things in them that one doesn't
need are no real hindrance to system performance. True, they take up
space in memory and take longer to load from disk when the system boots,
but we're talking about a few kilobytes here and there, and a handful of
milliseconds in startup time--totally negligible amounts of time and
space in the grand scheem of things. So, while it's mesy to jut delete
directories, it'll surely get that program off your computer.


On 7/24/2020 1:02 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:
Hi Gene,

I was thinking the same thing, it's not causing any problems so I figured if the advice I was given didn't seem like a good idea I'd just give up. Somebody not on the list even told me to just delete everything associated with the program by removing the folders but I was afraid that that might mess up the registry so I didn't do it.

Troy



On 7/23/2020 10:37 PM, Gene wrote:
There may be, but is the program causing any problem or does it just sit there and do nothing? Sometimes, its better to just leave things alone. We don't know if this program is well designed or if it uninstalls properly in general.  Sometimes, a poorly designed program takes something with it when you uninstall it that you need.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Hi all,

I have a program that I want to uninstall from my computer, it's the
multiextra program I was asking about recently, but when I try to
install it I get this error message:
Windows cannot find 'c:\ProgramData\MultiExtra\unins000.exe'. Make sure
you typed the name correctly and then try again. It then gives me an
okay button but when I hit that the dialogue closes. Is there a
different way to uninstall this?

Thanks.

Troy
Re: NVDA cutting off first letter

Gene
 

I was wrong. The link doesn't take you to a page that opens as a web page. It is the direct download link for the utility.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 11:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio. Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion. The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program. It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do. If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie
Re: NVDA cutting off first letter

Gene
 

Use a small utility called Silenzio. Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion. The heading says "The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program. It is the name of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do. If you use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find very useful.
Marie
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