On Jul 25, 2020, at 7:58 PM, Donna <mermaid7@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Marie,

I access AT&T's website & mail via Safari on my iPhone or iPad. Both are accessible. The My AT&T app is not accessible using an iDevice. Sorry I can't comment on any accessibility from a computer user standpoint. I have been an AT&T customer since 1996. I have landline phone service, cellular service & internet. I have found customer service to be Excellent. And the customer reps at the AT&T stores to be professional, friendly & very helpful.

Donna

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.

I haven't seen any complaints of any kind about the utility. It is completely independent of the screen-reader and just sends some sort of inaudible signal to the soundcard to keep it active. I don't expect it to affect NVDA in any way.

I don't know if the JAWS solution can be turnned off or uninstalled or whatever should be possible for disabling it. But you should be able to use Silenzio with no ill effects on JAWS either.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Does this prevent NVDA from using Audio ducking?




Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio. Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion. The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program. It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do. If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie

I am considering changing to AT&T internet and a streaming package. I already know that their streaming package is very accessible with the Apple devices. But I want to know how it is to use their web site and their email. I am currently with Spectrum and their sites are not simple but usable. Not too happy with the streaming package so far as usability.

The aT&T service here in Reno is Fiber optics so the equipment is good.

I haven't seen any complaints of any kind about the utility.  It is completely independent of the screen-reader and just sends some sort of inaudible signal to the soundcard to keep it active.  I don't expect it to affect NVDA in any way.

I don't know if the JAWS solution can be turnned off or uninstalled or whatever should be possible for disabling it.  But you should be able to use Silenzio with no ill effects on JAWS either.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Marie
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 10:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Does this prevent NVDA from using Audio ducking?




Marie
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter

Use a small utility called Silenzio.  Read about it in this article.
https://mosen.org/soundsfrustrating/

Move by heading to find the beginning of the discussion.  The heading says
"The Realtek sound problem"

A link is given to go to the page to download the program.  It is the name
of the utility, "Silenzio."

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Marie
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 9:11 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA cutting off first letter


Does anyone know if you can set NVDA to stop this? Jaws just put out a fix
for it by stopping the sounds card from sleeping when not using and someone
on a chat group is having this issue with NVDA.
Personally I don’t find it all that much of a problem but some do.  If you
use the new setting in Jaws, you can not use Audio ducking, which I do find
very useful.
Marie

I'm talking about whether a screen-reader shows an entry for a voice.  How does it know?  If there are supposed to be four SAPI 5 voices on a machine, is their any information in the registry that causes the list to include any of these voices?

Whatever the case in this specific instance, it is a bad idea to try to remove programs by removing folders and files. Windows provides a removal mechanism as the proper way to do so and other removal utilities exist because it is generally a bad idea to remove programs jjust by removing files.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 1:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Screenreaders don't use the Windows Registry to determine what, if any,
auxiliary configurations should be loaded. You can test and prove this
by creating a config for any standalone program. Of course, standalone
programs don't have Registry keys.


On 7/24/2020 1:43 PM, Gene wrote:

It is a bad idea to remove program files in that way.  It won't change what is in the registrhy but, in the current example, what if there is a registry entry that makes the screen-reader think there are voices available that aren't.  You might move to a SAPI 5 voice in a list showing voices that no longer exist and the screen-reader might freeze. At times, you might remove files and, on startup, you might get an error message about one thing or another not being found. There are times when its better just to leave things alone.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Since folder and Registry entries don't know or care that each other
exist, removing the folders will just clear up space on your system disk
and probably remove some shortcuts. If you have any shortcuts remaining
on the Windows Desktop or Start menu, they of course will fail when
executed, so they, too, should be removed, if for no other reason than
to keep you from tripping over them on your way to other things.


If the removed program had file asociations, they will still be in
effect, so if you were to press ENTER (double-click) on one, Windows
will attempt to launch the program asociated with that filetype,
resulting in the obvious error that the program can't be found any more.


The above tasks are what uninstallers do--clean all this up for
you--files, shortcuts (which are also files), Registry entries, the
works. The good thing is, because processors and memory are fast and
cheap, big fat Registries with lots of things in them that one doesn't
need are no real hindrance to system performance. True, they take up
space in memory and take longer to load from disk when the system boots,
but we're talking about a few kilobytes here and there, and a handful of
milliseconds in startup time--totally negligible amounts of time and
space in the grand scheem of things. So, while it's mesy to jut delete
directories, it'll surely get that program off your computer.


On 7/24/2020 1:02 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:

Hi Gene,

I was thinking the same thing, it's not causing any problems so I figured if the advice I was given didn't seem like a good idea I'd just give up. Somebody not on the list even told me to just delete everything associated with the program by removing the folders but I was afraid that that might mess up the registry so I didn't do it.

Troy



On 7/23/2020 10:37 PM, Gene wrote:

There may be, but is the program causing any problem or does it just sit there and do nothing? Sometimes, its better to just leave things alone. We don't know if this program is well designed or if it uninstalls properly in general.  Sometimes, a poorly designed program takes something with it when you uninstall it that you need.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Hi all,

I have a program that I want to uninstall from my computer, it's the
multiextra program I was asking about recently, but when I try to
install it I get this error message:
Windows cannot find 'c:\ProgramData\MultiExtra\unins000.exe'. Make sure
you typed the name correctly and then try again. It then gives me an
okay button but when I hit that the dialogue closes. Is there a
different way to uninstall this?

Thanks.

Troy

How can one turn Talkback or Sony screen reader on first setup when the music comes? This is an Android tv 2015Model KDL-series.

It is a bad idea to remove program files in that way. It won't change what is in the registrhy but, in the current example, what if there is a registry entry that makes the screen-reader think there are voices available that aren't. You might move to a SAPI 5 voice in a list showing voices that no longer exist and the screen-reader might freeze. At times, you might remove files and, on startup, you might get an error message about one thing or another not being found. There are times when its better just to leave things alone.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Since folder and Registry entries don't know or care that each other
exist, removing the folders will just clear up space on your system disk
and probably remove some shortcuts. If you have any shortcuts remaining
on the Windows Desktop or Start menu, they of course will fail when
executed, so they, too, should be removed, if for no other reason than
to keep you from tripping over them on your way to other things.


If the removed program had file asociations, they will still be in
effect, so if you were to press ENTER (double-click) on one, Windows
will attempt to launch the program asociated with that filetype,
resulting in the obvious error that the program can't be found any more.


The above tasks are what uninstallers do--clean all this up for
you--files, shortcuts (which are also files), Registry entries, the
works. The good thing is, because processors and memory are fast and
cheap, big fat Registries with lots of things in them that one doesn't
need are no real hindrance to system performance. True, they take up
space in memory and take longer to load from disk when the system boots,
but we're talking about a few kilobytes here and there, and a handful of
milliseconds in startup time--totally negligible amounts of time and
space in the grand scheem of things. So, while it's mesy to jut delete
directories, it'll surely get that program off your computer.


On 7/24/2020 1:02 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:

Hi Gene,

I was thinking the same thing, it's not causing any problems so I figured if the advice I was given didn't seem like a good idea I'd just give up. Somebody not on the list even told me to just delete everything associated with the program by removing the folders but I was afraid that that might mess up the registry so I didn't do it.

Troy



On 7/23/2020 10:37 PM, Gene wrote:

There may be, but is the program causing any problem or does it just sit there and do nothing? Sometimes, its better to just leave things alone. We don't know if this program is well designed or if it uninstalls properly in general. Sometimes, a poorly designed program takes something with it when you uninstall it that you need.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Hi all,

I have a program that I want to uninstall from my computer, it's the
multiextra program I was asking about recently, but when I try to
install it I get this error message:
Windows cannot find 'c:\ProgramData\MultiExtra\unins000.exe'. Make sure
you typed the name correctly and then try again. It then gives me an
okay button but when I hit that the dialogue closes. Is there a
different way to uninstall this?

Thanks.

Troy

It is a bad idea to remove program files in that way.  It won't change what is in the registrhy but, in the current example, what if there is a registry entry that makes the screen-reader think there are voices available that aren't.  You might move to a SAPI 5 voice in a list showing voices that no longer exist and the screen-reader might freeze.  At times, you might remove files and, on startup, you might get an error message about one thing or another not being found.  There are times when its better just to leave things alone.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Since folder and Registry entries don't know or care that each other
exist, removing the folders will just clear up space on your system disk
and probably remove some shortcuts. If you have any shortcuts remaining
on the Windows Desktop or Start menu, they of course will fail when
executed, so they, too, should be removed, if for no other reason than
to keep you from tripping over them on your way to other things.


If the removed program had file asociations, they will still be in
effect, so if you were to press ENTER (double-click) on one, Windows
will attempt to launch the program asociated with that filetype,
resulting in the obvious error that the program can't be found any more.


The above tasks are what uninstallers do--clean all this up for
you--files, shortcuts (which are also files), Registry entries, the
works. The good thing is, because processors and memory are fast and
cheap, big fat Registries with lots of things in them that one doesn't
need are no real hindrance to system performance. True, they take up
space in memory and take longer to load from disk when the system boots,
but we're talking about a few kilobytes here and there, and a handful of
milliseconds in startup time--totally negligible amounts of time and
space in the grand scheem of things. So, while it's mesy to jut delete
directories, it'll surely get that program off your computer.


On 7/24/2020 1:02 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:

Hi Gene,

I was thinking the same thing, it's not causing any problems so I figured if the advice I was given didn't seem like a good idea I'd just give up. Somebody not on the list even told me to just delete everything associated with the program by removing the folders but I was afraid that that might mess up the registry so I didn't do it.

Troy



On 7/23/2020 10:37 PM, Gene wrote:

There may be, but is the program causing any problem or does it just sit there and do nothing? Sometimes, its better to just leave things alone. We don't know if this program is well designed or if it uninstalls properly in general.  Sometimes, a poorly designed program takes something with it when you uninstall it that you need.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Hi all,

I have a program that I want to uninstall from my computer, it's the
multiextra program I was asking about recently, but when I try to
install it I get this error message:
Windows cannot find 'c:\ProgramData\MultiExtra\unins000.exe'. Make sure
you typed the name correctly and then try again. It then gives me an
okay button but when I hit that the dialogue closes. Is there a
different way to uninstall this?

Thanks.

Troy

I'm not sure what accounts for your experience. I wouldn't think location or prior search history would matter in this case. But when I did the search, the first result didn't say the name of what I was looking for . It said Nathan Tech's software page! - Nathan Tech When I looked down to see an excerpt of what is on the page, I saw this After the page address:
Grab your copy today: Installable: Luna RSS v3.4 setup.exe

Then there was a little more information that didn't matter. Do you check the excerpts of what is on pages if you aren't sure? Some of the time, you may know if you found what you want without doing so. Sometimes, you don't know or you can't be sure.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] needing info on a program

Thank you. I usually have no trouble researching things and finding the info
I need and more, but for some reason this one wasn't showing what I needed.
I typed in exactly what you did, in fact I did that first, and didn't get
the result that showed up for you, using two browsers.

Do you think that a person's location or even the time of day a search is
done makes a difference?

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] needing info on a program

This is a good illustration of how to tailor a search. I did a search for just what was written and got no relevant results. So I took out everything but Luna RSS and searched for that. the rest were numbers and version information for a specific version. I immediately found relevant results, including this one:
https://www.mail-archive.com/audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/msg294898.html

Experimenting with searches will help those who are not very good at it improve.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicki W
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 5:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] needing info on a program


I have just found a .exe file in my downloads, and even though I looked it up on Google, I still can't quite figure out why I have it and what it's used for. The .exe file is called Luna RSS v3.4 setup.

Can anyone tell me more about this program and how it is used?

Thanks.

Vicki

Hi Gene,

I was thinking the same thing, it's not causing any problems so I figured if the advice I was given didn't seem like a good idea I'd just give up. Somebody not on the list even told me to just delete everything associated with the program by removing the folders but I was afraid that that might mess up the registry so I didn't do it.

Troy



On 7/23/2020 10:37 PM, Gene wrote:

There may be, but is the program causing any problem or does it just sit there and do nothing? Sometimes, its better to just leave things alone. We don't know if this program is well designed or if it uninstalls properly in general. Sometimes, a poorly designed program takes something with it when you uninstall it that you need.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Hi all,

I have a program that I want to uninstall from my computer, it's the
multiextra program I was asking about recently, but when I try to
install it I get this error message:
Windows cannot find 'c:\ProgramData\MultiExtra\unins000.exe'. Make sure
you typed the name correctly and then try again. It then gives me an
okay button but when I hit that the dialogue closes. Is there a
different way to uninstall this?

Thanks.

Troy

Hi Gene,

I was thinking the same thing, it's not causing any problems so I figured if the advice I was given didn't seem like a good idea I'd just give up. Somebody not on the list even told me to just delete everything associated with the program by removing the folders but I was afraid that that might mess up the registry so I didn't do it.

Troy



On 7/23/2020 10:37 PM, Gene wrote:

There may be, but is the program causing any problem or does it just sit there and do nothing? Sometimes, its better to just leave things alone.  We don't know if this program is well designed or if it uninstalls properly in general.  Sometimes, a poorly designed program takes something with it when you uninstall it that you need.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] need help uninstalling a program

Hi all,

I have a program that I want to uninstall from my computer, it's the
multiextra program I was asking about recently, but when I try to
install it I get this error message:
Windows cannot find 'c:\ProgramData\MultiExtra\unins000.exe'. Make sure
you typed the name correctly and then try again. It then gives me an
okay button but when I hit that the dialogue closes. Is there a
different way to uninstall this?

Thanks.

Troy