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Re: NVDA

Carlos
 

I think you basically have to use common sense. Look at the source of the
add-on, read associated documentation, and so on. Also, if it is listed on
the official NVDA add-ons page,
http://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html
then the chances are pretty good that it is legal.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



So how can you determine whether an NVDA add-on is legal or not?
Apparently, the Eloquence add-on is illegal, but what about other add-ons?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for illegal use
of their product and also you will be supporting your very nice free screen
reader.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company
with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or
incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say
unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a
semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to pay
the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@...


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment I
can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves
in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen
reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while
Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it might
not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now I sure
you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the money to do
that and you find out what company puts it out the one they use. But
understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck screen
reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial grade
synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you call
and get the automative things and the one you get that comes in cars
and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and
responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us
paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of
Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then you
can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot use
the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t allow
use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from dealer
for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you
sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with JAWS
until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision in
their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really
not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it
below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and
am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the
frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid so
I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is free
if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in synthesizer
to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing impairment. I
tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I am looking for
a good option that is very clear to understand – preferably free? Some
of the other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe



Re: NVDA

Gerald Levy
 

So how can you determine whether an NVDA add-on is legal or not? Apparently, the Eloquence add-on is illegal, but what about other add-ons?

Gerald

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a
semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to pay
the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@...


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment I
can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves
in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen
reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while
Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it might
not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now I sure
you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the money to do
that and you find out what company puts it out the one they use. But
understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck screen
reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial grade
synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you call
and get the automative things and the one you get that comes in cars
and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and
responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us
paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of
Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then you
can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot use
the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t allow
use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from dealer
for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you
sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with JAWS
until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision in
their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really
not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and
am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the
frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid so
I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is free
if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in synthesizer
to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing impairment. I
tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I am looking for
a good option that is very clear to understand – preferably free? Some
of the other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe



Re: NVDA

Matt
 

Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a
semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to pay
the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@...


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment I
can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves
in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen
reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while
Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it might
not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now I sure
you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the money to do
that and you find out what company puts it out the one they use. But
understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck screen
reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial grade
synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you call
and get the automative things and the one you get that comes in cars
and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and
responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us
paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of
Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then you
can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot use
the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t allow
use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from dealer
for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you
sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with JAWS
until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision in
their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really
not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and
am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the
frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid so
I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is free
if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in synthesizer
to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing impairment. I
tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I am looking for
a good option that is very clear to understand – preferably free? Some
of the other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe



Re: Talking Windows10 Installer

Carlos
 

If you choose the "upgrade' option, then what you describe is not necessary
since you will have speech available until setup needs to reboot. And at
that point no further interaction is required until Windows 10 has finished
installing. You can then start Narrator to complete the setup and install
another screen reader. If you mean for the purposes of performing a clean
installation, then what you are describing is not possible. However, there
are a couple of options for performing a clean installation with speech
available.
1. When you upgrade, choose to not keep anything. This is effectively the
same thing as a clean installation.
2. Boot into one of my Win7PE images and run the Windows 10 setup from the
root of your flash installation media.

----- Original Message -----
From: "George Zaynoun" <humorlessgeza@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 4:46 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Talking Windows10 Installer


Hi!

Now that I used the Microsoft Media Creation Tool and created my flash
drive for both architectures 32 and 64 bit, I wonder, can I add NVDA to
it so that the installer talks through the setup process? By saying
talks I don't mean it loads a win-pe like thing but keeps the setup
process as is but talks using NVDA of course through usb device or from
the pc if it finds a sound card. I don't mind using winstaller or
Carlos's image or a combination of both to reach this result, thanks.

--
Georges Zeinoun
Timmerv. 6A ITR LGH1102, 54163 SKÖVDE SWEDEN
Tel: +46 (500) 48 29 29
Mobile: +46 (73) 986 17 43


Re: downloading m s 10

Monte Single
 

Thank you,,

Now I am smiling too!!

Monte

 

From: Smiling? [mailto:blind7@...]
Sent: November-29-15 5:03 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] downloading m s 10

 

Tech Bench, Windows10 ISO's:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench

 

From: Monte Single [mailto:mrsingle@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:50 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] downloading m s 10

 

Would someone please point me to a link where I can download a copy of m s 10, yes, preferably a site where  I have a choice  of which version

Thanks,

Monte


Re: downloading m s 10

Monte Single
 

Definitely win 10 o s.

 

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: November-29-15 4:55 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] downloading m s 10

 

I assume you are talking about windows 10 OS?

 

 

 

From: Monte Single [mailto:mrsingle@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:50 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] downloading m s 10

 

Would someone please point me to a link where I can download a copy of m s 10, yes, preferably a site where  I have a choice  of which version

Thanks,

Monte


Re: downloading m s 10

Smiling?
 

Tech Bench, Windows10 ISO's:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/techbench

 

From: Monte Single [mailto:mrsingle@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:50 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] downloading m s 10

 

Would someone please point me to a link where I can download a copy of m s 10, yes, preferably a site where  I have a choice  of which version

Thanks,

Monte


Re: NVDA

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,

Just saying.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt <matt.from.florida@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 10:39 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



Yes and the point is?


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:32 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hello,
The braillenote's information does actually say eloquent technology.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:43 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



Here's a quote that briefly mentions the history of the Eloquence
synthesizer taken from a rather old thread on FreeLists.

http://www.freelists.org/post/accessibleimage/Languages,19

"Once, for fun, we worked with the guys at what was
then Eloquent Technologies (it has been acquired by SpeechWorks which
was later acquired by ScanSoft who, last year, changed their name to
Nuance)"

And another quote here.

https://www.mail-archive.com/audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu
.com/msg102457.html

"ETI eloquence was originally owned and maintained by Eloquent
Technologies, incorperated, with IBM licensed to base their Viavoice and
viavoice outloud (fs) sapi4 speech synths off of eloquence in their IBM
voavoice, with the last company to sell that being Wizard Software. Then
Eloquent Technologies were bought out by Nuance."
Sent from a Braille Sense






Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: downloading m s 10

Matt
 

I assume you are talking about windows 10 OS?

 

 

 

From: Monte Single [mailto:mrsingle@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:50 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] downloading m s 10

 

Would someone please point me to a link where I can download a copy of m s 10, yes, preferably a site where  I have a choice  of which version

Thanks,

Monte


induction cooking

Matt
 

Hi, I have a gas stove and always love a gas stove. But I am really interested in like something like the new wave cooktop that uses induction to heat or cook your stuff. I especially interested in it for using with my nice big cast iron duch oven I use for a deep fryer.  If there is a counter top model that is accessible and when I say accessible not talking about talking. I talking about usable. That it would have some kind of buttons that you could tell they are there and when they are pushed. Something simple like on and off and then a up and down temperature. Don’t think in the case of a cooktop they would have a timer but if they did I could just ignore it if possible. My Maine thing would be able to turn it on and off and change temperature. I know they have electric deep fryers but none of them tend to be big enough and almost impossible to clean and keep clean. Also controlling the temperature is way too hard. So I am hoping that something like a counter top induction cook top would work for my needs which is mostly will be used for deep frying stuff in my cast iron duch oven. Any input will be appreciated.

 

 

Matt.from.florida@...

 


downloading m s 10

Monte Single
 

Would someone please point me to a link where I can download a copy of m s 10, yes, preferably a site where  I have a choice  of which version

Thanks,

Monte


Re: NVDA

Matt
 

Yes and the point is?


Matt.from.florida@...

-----Original Message-----
From: rajmund [mailto:brajmund2000@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:32 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hello,
The braillenote's information does actually say eloquent technology.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:43 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



Here's a quote that briefly mentions the history of the Eloquence
synthesizer taken from a rather old thread on FreeLists.

http://www.freelists.org/post/accessibleimage/Languages,19

"Once, for fun, we worked with the guys at what was
then Eloquent Technologies (it has been acquired by SpeechWorks which
was later acquired by ScanSoft who, last year, changed their name to
Nuance)"

And another quote here.

https://www.mail-archive.com/audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu
.com/msg102457.html

"ETI eloquence was originally owned and maintained by Eloquent
Technologies, incorperated, with IBM licensed to base their Viavoice and
viavoice outloud (fs) sapi4 speech synths off of eloquence in their IBM
voavoice, with the last company to sell that being Wizard Software. Then
Eloquent Technologies were bought out by Nuance."
Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: NVDA

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hello,
The braillenote's information does actually say eloquent technology.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:43 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



Here's a quote that briefly mentions the history of the Eloquence synthesizer taken from a rather old thread on FreeLists.

http://www.freelists.org/post/accessibleimage/Languages,19

"Once, for fun, we worked with the guys at what was
then Eloquent Technologies (it has been acquired by SpeechWorks which was
later acquired by ScanSoft who, last year, changed their name to Nuance)"
And another quote here.

https://www.mail-archive.com/audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/msg102457.html

"ETI eloquence was originally owned and maintained by Eloquent Technologies, incorperated, with IBM licensed to base their Viavoice and viavoice outloud (fs) sapi4 speech synths off of eloquence in their IBM voavoice, with the last company to sell that being Wizard Software. Then Eloquent Technologies were bought out by Nuance."
Sent from a Braille Sense


Re: NVDA

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

HI, ah, OK, thanks for this. As I said, I wasn't sure, but I thought it was.

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@...>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 2:05 am
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



No, it was definitely not created by Freedom Scientific.
----- Original Message -----
From: rajmund
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


hello,
I thought, but could be wrong, FS made it, and it is now owned by nuance.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.

On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:58 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:


Apparently Nuance currently owns the rights to Eloquence, but I'm still not sure that they were the original developers.
Sent from a Braille Sense


Talking Windows10 Installer

George Zaynoun
 

Hi!

Now that I used the Microsoft Media Creation Tool and created my flash drive for both architectures 32 and 64 bit, I wonder, can I add NVDA to it so that the installer talks through the setup process? By saying talks I don't mean it loads a win-pe like thing but keeps the setup process as is but talks using NVDA of course through usb device or from the pc if it finds a sound card. I don't mind using winstaller or Carlos's image or a combination of both to reach this result, thanks.

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Mobile: +46 (73) 986 17 43


Re: selecting a sound bar to compliment a tV

Matt
 

Well, if you are just going for stereo sound from it I think you could buy some very good speakers a pair of them for that that would give you a much better robust sound. I would if possible and in the states go to best buy and look at some speakers there. I would look at maybe some of the studio speakers . they have some very good small speakers today with the technology that will really fill the room with a budget of a 200 bucks.  I assume you are not talking about surround sound as no audio bar will really come anywhere near that. They have some that will mimic it fairly well but it is not surround sound. There is nothing like listening to the speaker or bar and take in consideration that in a place like best buy the size and the noise level in the place. But nothing like putting your ears on it than just going by specs and such. Something could have great specs and terrible sound. But it is hard to trick them old ears. JMO!

 

 

 

From: Cristóbal [mailto:crismunoz54@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 1:00 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] selecting a sound bar to compliment a tV

 

Hello list,

So the wife and I are planning on upgrading a TV in a spare room that we use as a TV room. We have one of those older plasma models that had solid speakers, but according to my sighted better half, people are starting to look like washed out spectral figures from time to time. I’ll probably move it to my office or something since it still sounds fine and picture quality is irrelevant to me.

In any event, it looks like most TV’s around while super thin and light regardless of screen size have pretty crappy audio due to the fact that they’re so thin to begin with and don’t have enough space but for the minimal of speakers. I’m sure if I look hard enough, I would be able to find something, but I don’t want to go all budget buster either.

As a result of this, I’m now poking around online for sound bars. I’ve never really been an audiophile, so I’m not terribly familiar with hertz this or wats that.

There are enough models and brands at varying price points to where one can easily become overwhelmed. I’m aware that sound like anything can be highly subjective along with the particular set up of the system (acoustics, room structure, etc.), but in this case, again, it would be used in a completely enclosed room measuring more or less 15 FT x 13 FT. Typical bedroom. Surround sound would be a plus, but we don’t exactly have space to set up speakers behind us or go all crazy and insert into the walls. Running cables on the floor or along the walls is also undesirable.

Can anyone give in general terms what to look out for specs-wise? Be it for a standalone sound bar or even something with additional speakers or subwoofer. I’ve seen enough Vizios and Samsungs and Insignias and other models under $200 to as low as $50.00 with all the deals going on right now.  I don’t want to go all crazy and would prefer to stay under $180 or so for example. We also have devices like Apple TV, Roku (her toy) and DVD player that we would like to hook up for sound.

Is anyone using a sound bar and what is their set up? Can they recommend a particular model and or configuration?

 

Thanks,

Cristobal


selecting a sound bar to compliment a tV

Cristóbal
 

Hello list,

So the wife and I are planning on upgrading a TV in a spare room that we use as a TV room. We have one of those older plasma models that had solid speakers, but according to my sighted better half, people are starting to look like washed out spectral figures from time to time. I’ll probably move it to my office or something since it still sounds fine and picture quality is irrelevant to me.

In any event, it looks like most TV’s around while super thin and light regardless of screen size have pretty crappy audio due to the fact that they’re so thin to begin with and don’t have enough space but for the minimal of speakers. I’m sure if I look hard enough, I would be able to find something, but I don’t want to go all budget buster either.

As a result of this, I’m now poking around online for sound bars. I’ve never really been an audiophile, so I’m not terribly familiar with hertz this or wats that.

There are enough models and brands at varying price points to where one can easily become overwhelmed. I’m aware that sound like anything can be highly subjective along with the particular set up of the system (acoustics, room structure, etc.), but in this case, again, it would be used in a completely enclosed room measuring more or less 15 FT x 13 FT. Typical bedroom. Surround sound would be a plus, but we don’t exactly have space to set up speakers behind us or go all crazy and insert into the walls. Running cables on the floor or along the walls is also undesirable.

Can anyone give in general terms what to look out for specs-wise? Be it for a standalone sound bar or even something with additional speakers or subwoofer. I’ve seen enough Vizios and Samsungs and Insignias and other models under $200 to as low as $50.00 with all the deals going on right now.  I don’t want to go all crazy and would prefer to stay under $180 or so for example. We also have devices like Apple TV, Roku (her toy) and DVD player that we would like to hook up for sound.

Is anyone using a sound bar and what is their set up? Can they recommend a particular model and or configuration?

 

Thanks,

Cristobal


Re: NVDA

Carlos
 

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company
with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or
incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's
say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based version of
Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a
semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to pay the
price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@...


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment I
can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves in
the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen reader
which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while Eloquence is a
speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the company
that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen readers with
their products only. It is out there and you can buy it . Is it the same
one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it might not be the one
they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now I sure you could also buy
the right to it as well if you have the money to do that and you find out
what company puts it out the one they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck screen
reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial grade
synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you call and
get the automative things and the one you get that comes in cars and so
forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and responsive but you
pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us paying that kind of money
to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of
Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own Eloquence
and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other screen readers. If
you purchase the SAPI version separately, then you can use it with what
ever screen reader you like, but you cannot use the copy included with
JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t allow use
Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with JAWS
until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision in
their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an upgrade,
etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really not
that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and am
presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the frre
alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid so I
would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is free if
you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in synthesizer to
be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing impairment. I tested
Outlook but as it is not presently available, I am looking for a good
option that is very clear to understand – preferably free? Some of the
other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe



Re: NVDA

Carlos
 

My guess is that since it is an add-on, it should probably be about on the
same level in terms of performance.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@...>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's
say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based version of
Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a
semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to pay the
price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@...


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment I
can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves in
the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen reader
which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while Eloquence is a
speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the company
that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen readers with
their products only. It is out there and you can buy it . Is it the same
one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it might not be the one
they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now I sure you could also buy
the right to it as well if you have the money to do that and you find out
what company puts it out the one they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck screen
reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial grade
synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you call and
get the automative things and the one you get that comes in cars and so
forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and responsive but you
pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us paying that kind of money
to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of
Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own Eloquence
and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other screen readers. If
you purchase the SAPI version separately, then you can use it with what
ever screen reader you like, but you cannot use the copy included with
JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t allow use
Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with JAWS
until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision in
their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an upgrade,
etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really not
that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and am
presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the frre
alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid so I
would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is free if
you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in synthesizer to
be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing impairment. I tested
Outlook but as it is not presently available, I am looking for a good
option that is very clear to understand – preferably free? Some of the
other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe



Re: NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.

On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@...


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@...> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it . Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the one they use. But understand it will not be a 70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you call and get the automative things and the one you get that comes in cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from dealer for 75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

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From: Joe Foster

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Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.

http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@...]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@...

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in synthesizer to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I am looking for a good option that is very clear to understand – preferably free? Some of the other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe


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