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Re: web browsers and windows 10

Gene
 

According to what I've read, Brave isn't inherently faster than other equivalent browsers. The difference is that Brave blocks advertising from web sites and provides their own. Therefore, much less content is loaded by the browser.

Here is an article from 2019 that explains what Brave is trying to do regarding advertising.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/brave-browser-will-pay-you-to-view-ads-but-theres-a-catch

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 4:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] web browsers and windows 10



Brave has become my browser of choice. On my older PC I find it a tad faster than Chrome.


On 8/4/2020 4:46 PM, Dave wrote:


I use Brave, and it is very responsive. I also use Firefox when for what ever reason, Brave doesn't read a given web site well. This doesn't happen all that often, but I have seen a difference in the way Brave does things and Firefox does the same thing.





But, I use Brave most of the time.




Grumpy Dave







On 8/4/2020 7:06 AM, Shirley Healy wrote:

Is there a good browser to use with windows 10? I am using internet explorer, but its very slow. Anyone know an accessible browser with jaws 2020 and win 10? And if I am removing IE or updating it then how do I go about it?
shirley

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Free or paid learning?

Susie Stageberg <sstageberg2@...>
 

I think everyone's learning style is different; some people can learn by themselves with a tutorial; some are afraid of messing things up; some aren't. Some people really need coaching. All of this is good. I used to write computer tutorials teaching people how to use various Windows programs with various screen readers; some people bought our stuff and just went to town; some were totally bamboozled.
If you're somebody who needs coaching, my opinion is that it's worth paying for someone to get you started. I know money is a problem for people, but computer literacy really isn't optional these days. Just my tuppence worth.

Susie


"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." Eleanor RooseveltOn Aug 4, 2020 4:48 PM, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:


I wish I loved tinkering like that, and felt comfortable with it, rather
than getting stressed and feeling afraid that I did something wrong that i
might not get myself out of.  A long time ago, I used to say:  "Nothing will
defeat me!"  But that was a long time ago, before computer stuff came into
my life.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Free or paid learning?

Sharon wrote in part:

"I'm curious about how most of us would want to learn technology. Would you
prefer to glean free resources, or would it be better to get paid tutorials
and training?"

Difficult question to answer.  I think that most of the answers will be
subjective.  Each individual must necessarily do that which makes such a one
more comfortable with the learning process.

For me, I take joy in tinkering, making my trillion mistakes and then
figuring out ways to fix whatever problems I create.  It can be daunting,
time-consuming, but I'm never in a hurry and I'm not seeking to join any
number of gurus for a talent show.  When I do get stuck, I ask questions
either in this space, or use some other source to get myself back on the
right track.  For instance, I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; a part of
me DOES NOT WISH TO; why?  Because I want to DITCH WINDOWS and KEEP RUNNING
with My Shiny Android Toys!  I took that decision following the death of my
preferred Windows screen reader, Window-Eyes!  I'm getting much more done
lately with My Shiny Android Toys and the push towards Windows10 has no real
effect on me.  If secondary work causes me to migrate to Windows10 for a
while, I believe I am equal to the challenge.

I always check things out in the mainstream first before giving anythought
to specialized anything for the blind.  If, for instance, there is no free
tutorial on a subject I am investigating, but such a tutorial is available
in the mainstream at a price point I feel comfortable with, then I'll buy
the needed tutorial from the mainstream.  No doubt there are brilliant minds
amongst us who produce great tutorials; I have not liked the price points on
most of these and so I leave well alone.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado





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google and or echo

Monte Single
 

Hi Heather Albright,

 

I noticed in your recent posting on the subject of “lessons”,  you indicated you have both google and echo devices.

Is this correct?

If so,  would you share your thoughts  and impressions on the two.

I have a google home mini which I think is pretty good for the 25 bucks I paid  for it;  and then sometimes it just frustrates me too much.

 

Thanks for your input

…and of course the input of others on this subject.

 

Monte


Re: Google Chrome issue?

Gene
 

Even if that were the case, some sort of contexxt menu would open. The context menu, if you aren't on a link, would have nothing to do with working with a link, but there would be one. This needs to be clarified. Does any context menu open or nothing?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 6:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Google Chrome issue?



Hi Adam,

Could their document presentation mode be set to screen layout instead of simple layout in JAWS, or is screen layout on if using NVDA, thus they aren't actually focused on the link?


Alternatively if you can right click on the link, could you email them the direct link by using copy link address?




On 5/08/2020 9:00 am, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,
I'm working with someone who has a strange issue with Chrome.
If they go to a site to download a file and they try to bring up the context menu to save link as the menu doesn't activate.
I am able to activate the menu on two machines of mine from the same site.
Wondering what setting may have been changed in chrome to make this happen?
TIA.


-- Adam Morris Email, iMessage & FaceTime adam@damorris.com


Re: Free or paid learning?

Dave
 

There is a Ton of things to be learned for Free, say on Youtube. The
problem with Youtube is that most everything is given as if you can see
what to Click on and what you are likely to see on Screen.


Never the less, I have just watched multiple videos on the same thing,
and most of the time, I can tell what I need to know.


For those times I haven't been able, well that is a problem.


There are those times when you know so little that you are unable to ask
an intelligent question.


So, to just run a search on the Internet can give you some starting
points, but I've spent a lot of time digging through web page after web
page, not finding what I need.


If money is short, go the Free way.


If you have a budget, and can afford some training, and someone is
offering it for a price, if it is geared towards instructing the Blind
using a Screen Reader, I'd pay the money.


If it is just another video like found on Youtube, and you are again
getting taught as if you can see, then you still may have Dots that need
connecting at the end of the lessons.


Grumpy Dave

On 8/4/2020 7:30 AM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
Hi,


I'm curious about how most of us would want to learn technology. Would
you prefer to glean free resources, or would it be better to get paid
tutorials and training?  Any feedback would be much appreciated.


Thanks,




Re: Google Chrome issue?

Sam Taylor
 

Hi Adam,

Could their document presentation mode be set to screen layout instead of simple layout in JAWS, or is screen layout on if using NVDA, thus they aren't actually focused on the link?

Alternatively if you can right click on the link, could you email them the direct link by using copy link address?


On 5/08/2020 9:00 am, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,
I'm working with someone who has a strange issue with Chrome.
If they go to a site to download a file and they try to bring up the context menu to save link as the menu doesn't activate.
I am able to activate the menu on two machines of mine from the same site.
Wondering what setting may have been changed in chrome to make this happen?
TIA.


-- 

Adam Morris
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
adam@...


Re: Google Chrome issue?

Gene
 

I doubt it has anything to do with a setting. There would be no reason to have a setting that causes the menu not to come up.

Did you try the usual generic things? Unload and reload the screen-reader. Sometimes, a screen-reader will cause problems with an action and this easy possible solution is all that is necessary. If that doesn't work, did you reboot? If that doesn't work, have you verified that this inability to bring up the context menu is a general problem and not specific to this site? I suspect it is a general problem.

I won't go on making possible suggestions until I find out if all these things have been done and what the results are.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: adam morris
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 6:00 PM
To: tech talk
Subject: [TechTalk] Google Chrome issue?

Hi all,
I'm working with someone who has a strange issue with Chrome.
If they go to a site to download a file and they try to bring up the context menu to save link as the menu doesn't activate.
I am able to activate the menu on two machines of mine from the same site.
Wondering what setting may have been changed in chrome to make this happen?
TIA.


-- Adam Morris Email, iMessage & FaceTime adam@damorris.com


Google Chrome issue?

adam morris
 

Hi all,
I'm working with someone who has a strange issue with Chrome.
If they go to a site to download a file and they try to bring up the context menu to save link as the menu doesn't activate.
I am able to activate the menu on two machines of mine from the same site.
Wondering what setting may have been changed in chrome to make this happen?
TIA.


-- 

Adam Morris
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
adam@...


Re: web browsers and windows 10

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Brave has become my browser of choice. On my older PC I find it a tad faster than Chrome.

On 8/4/2020 4:46 PM, Dave wrote:

I use Brave, and it is very responsive.  I also use Firefox when for what ever reason, Brave doesn't read a given web site well.  This doesn't happen all that often, but I have seen a difference in the way Brave does things and Firefox does the same thing. 


But, I use Brave most of the time.


Grumpy Dave



On 8/4/2020 7:06 AM, Shirley Healy wrote:
Is there a good browser to use with windows 10? I am using internet explorer, but its very slow. Anyone know an accessible browser with jaws 2020 and win 10? And if I am removing IE or updating it then how do I go about it?
shirley

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Lessons, Free of Paid for?

Gene
 

But at the outset, organized learning is important and even if you don't do that much of it and learn by asking and tinkering, you are likely to not get important information if you don't use organized good learning material in early learning. You may not learn important things about Windows or browsing, for example, with unorganized learning or it may be a long time before you learn one or more things that are very valuable in making your computer use easier and faster to an extent that matters.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: heather albright
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 4:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lessons, Free of Paid for?

I join list to learn what I need to know. And I am greatful for all the free
lessons on both the jaws users list and the apple list. I try to copy the
free posted lessons and put them in a computer file separating them between
the pc and apple files. I have a list of what I need to know for both my
google home and my echo speakers.
I do like it when one can learn from someone who uses accessible tec. It is
nice to learn how to do something with someone who uses say jaws or NVDA
instead, of you need to click here or just drag and drop it here! cheers
Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@centurylink.net>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Lessons, Free of Paid for?


One more thought abut lessons designed for the sighted masses-


There are those times when you are going through a lesson, and it seems
that all is well. they are teaching, you are learning, and all is
actually working out without some big hairy Problem popping up to make
the lesson that much more difficult.


I hate it when I am following along, and then suddenly, they tell me I
should see such and such, and I see something entirely different!


then my Brain goes into why did this happen mode!


am I using the same exactly versions of Windows, or the software? Am I
just missing what I should see because my Screen Reader is not picking
it up? Have I some how missed a step?


How old are these lessons? Are they current enough?


I then reverse myself, and go back, and start that lesson over, just
encase it is me who turned left when I should have turned right.


And when I end up with my same original result, and mine is different
than what they say I should have, this is when I dearly wish I had a One
on One instructor, or a List, or a Forum to post my derailment, in hopes
of having someone get me back on track.


Personally, I can't afford every subject I would love to learn more
about. So I spend a lot of time on Youtube, and on Web Sites that
hopefully will give me the info I need to progress forward instead of
getting stalled, or stopped.



Good Luck in your Quest


Grumpy Dave


Re: Free or paid learning?

Pamela Dominguez
 

I wish I loved tinkering like that, and felt comfortable with it, rather than getting stressed and feeling afraid that I did something wrong that i might not get myself out of. A long time ago, I used to say: "Nothing will defeat me!" But that was a long time ago, before computer stuff came into my life. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Free or paid learning?

Sharon wrote in part:

"I'm curious about how most of us would want to learn technology. Would you
prefer to glean free resources, or would it be better to get paid tutorials
and training?"

Difficult question to answer. I think that most of the answers will be
subjective. Each individual must necessarily do that which makes such a one
more comfortable with the learning process.

For me, I take joy in tinkering, making my trillion mistakes and then
figuring out ways to fix whatever problems I create. It can be daunting,
time-consuming, but I'm never in a hurry and I'm not seeking to join any
number of gurus for a talent show. When I do get stuck, I ask questions
either in this space, or use some other source to get myself back on the
right track. For instance, I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; a part of
me DOES NOT WISH TO; why? Because I want to DITCH WINDOWS and KEEP RUNNING
with My Shiny Android Toys! I took that decision following the death of my
preferred Windows screen reader, Window-Eyes! I'm getting much more done
lately with My Shiny Android Toys and the push towards Windows10 has no real
effect on me. If secondary work causes me to migrate to Windows10 for a
while, I believe I am equal to the challenge.

I always check things out in the mainstream first before giving anythought
to specialized anything for the blind. If, for instance, there is no free
tutorial on a subject I am investigating, but such a tutorial is available
in the mainstream at a price point I feel comfortable with, then I'll buy
the needed tutorial from the mainstream. No doubt there are brilliant minds
amongst us who produce great tutorials; I have not liked the price points on
most of these and so I leave well alone.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado





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Re: web browsers and windows 10

Dave
 

I use Brave, and it is very responsive.  I also use Firefox when for what ever reason, Brave doesn't read a given web site well.  This doesn't happen all that often, but I have seen a difference in the way Brave does things and Firefox does the same thing. 


But, I use Brave most of the time.


Grumpy Dave



On 8/4/2020 7:06 AM, Shirley Healy wrote:
Is there a good browser to use with windows 10? I am using internet explorer, but its very slow. Anyone know an accessible browser with jaws 2020 and win 10? And if I am removing IE or updating it then how do I go about it?
shirley

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Lessons, Free of Paid for?

heather albright
 

I join list to learn what I need to know. And I am greatful for all the free lessons on both the jaws users list and the apple list. I try to copy the free posted lessons and put them in a computer file separating them between the pc and apple files. I have a list of what I need to know for both my google home and my echo speakers.
I do like it when one can learn from someone who uses accessible tec. It is nice to learn how to do something with someone who uses say jaws or NVDA instead, of you need to click here or just drag and drop it here! cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@centurylink.net>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Lessons, Free of Paid for?


One more thought abut lessons designed for the sighted masses-


There are those times when you are going through a lesson, and it seems
that all is well. they are teaching, you are learning, and all is
actually working out without some big hairy Problem popping up to make
the lesson that much more difficult.


I hate it when I am following along, and then suddenly, they tell me I
should see such and such, and I see something entirely different!


then my Brain goes into why did this happen mode!


am I using the same exactly versions of Windows, or the software? Am I
just missing what I should see because my Screen Reader is not picking
it up? Have I some how missed a step?


How old are these lessons? Are they current enough?


I then reverse myself, and go back, and start that lesson over, just
encase it is me who turned left when I should have turned right.


And when I end up with my same original result, and mine is different
than what they say I should have, this is when I dearly wish I had a One
on One instructor, or a List, or a Forum to post my derailment, in hopes
of having someone get me back on track.


Personally, I can't afford every subject I would love to learn more
about. So I spend a lot of time on Youtube, and on Web Sites that
hopefully will give me the info I need to progress forward instead of
getting stalled, or stopped.



Good Luck in your Quest


Grumpy Dave


Re: Free or paid learning?

Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
 

Sharon wrote in part:

"I'm curious about how most of us would want to learn technology. Would you
prefer to glean free resources, or would it be better to get paid tutorials
and training?"

Difficult question to answer. I think that most of the answers will be
subjective. Each individual must necessarily do that which makes such a one
more comfortable with the learning process.

For me, I take joy in tinkering, making my trillion mistakes and then
figuring out ways to fix whatever problems I create. It can be daunting,
time-consuming, but I'm never in a hurry and I'm not seeking to join any
number of gurus for a talent show. When I do get stuck, I ask questions
either in this space, or use some other source to get myself back on the
right track. For instance, I have not migrated to Windows10 yet; a part of
me DOES NOT WISH TO; why? Because I want to DITCH WINDOWS and KEEP RUNNING
with My Shiny Android Toys! I took that decision following the death of my
preferred Windows screen reader, Window-Eyes! I'm getting much more done
lately with My Shiny Android Toys and the push towards Windows10 has no real
effect on me. If secondary work causes me to migrate to Windows10 for a
while, I believe I am equal to the challenge.

I always check things out in the mainstream first before giving anythought
to specialized anything for the blind. If, for instance, there is no free
tutorial on a subject I am investigating, but such a tutorial is available
in the mainstream at a price point I feel comfortable with, then I'll buy
the needed tutorial from the mainstream. No doubt there are brilliant minds
amongst us who produce great tutorials; I have not liked the price points on
most of these and so I leave well alone.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: web browsers and windows 10

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Shirley,

Since you're using JAWS I would recommend a Chromium-based browser such as Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge (the newer one) or Brave. I would advise not using IE.

On 8/4/2020 10:06 AM, Shirley Healy wrote:
Is there a good browser to use with windows 10? I am using internet explorer, but its very slow. Anyone know an accessible browser with jaws 2020 and win 10? And if I am removing IE or updating it then how do I go about it?
shirley

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Lessons, Free of Paid for?

Dave
 

One more thought abut lessons designed for the sighted masses-


There are those times when you are going through a lesson, and it seems
that all is well.  they are teaching, you are learning, and all is
actually working out without some big hairy Problem popping up to make
the lesson that much more difficult.


I hate it when I am following along, and then suddenly, they tell me I
should see such and such, and I see something entirely different!


then my Brain goes into why did this happen mode!


am I using the same exactly versions of Windows, or the software?  Am I
just missing what I should see because my Screen Reader is not picking
it up?  Have I some how missed a step?


How old are these lessons?  Are they current enough?


I then reverse myself, and go back, and start that lesson over, just
encase it is me who turned left when I should have turned right.


And when I end up with my same original result, and mine is different
than what they say I should have, this is when I dearly wish I had a One
on One instructor, or a List, or a Forum to post my derailment, in hopes
of having someone get me back on track.


Personally, I can't afford every subject I would love to learn more
about.  So I spend a lot of time on Youtube, and on Web Sites that
hopefully will give me the info I need to progress forward instead of
getting stalled, or stopped.



Good Luck in your Quest


Grumpy Dave


Re: Free or paid learning?

Pamela Dominguez
 

I only work well with one-on-one training. I need the person to make sure I got it right. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 10:30 AM
To: Techtalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Free or paid learning?

Hi,


I'm curious about how most of us would want to learn technology. Would
you prefer to glean free resources, or would it be better to get paid
tutorials and training? Any feedback would be much appreciated.


Thanks,






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Re: web browsers and windows 10

Wendy Walker
 

I use Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Firefox on rare occasions. Some
sites work differently on different browsers so you may use one
browser for most sites but it is likely you will need to use a
different one sometimes.

On 8/4/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@gmail.com> wrote:
Do not forget about brave! It is a simplar version of google chrome and more

secure too! cheers Heather
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] web browsers and windows 10


Hi all,

Use Chrome or Firefox.

Don't worry about MSIE, just make Chrome or FF the default and you'll be
fine.

Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."






Re: web browsers and windows 10

heather albright
 

Do not forget about brave! It is a simplar version of google chrome and more secure too! cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ann Parsons" <akp@sero.email>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] web browsers and windows 10


Hi all,

Use Chrome or Firefox.

Don't worry about MSIE, just make Chrome or FF the default and you'll be fine.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Free or paid learning?

Monte Single
 

I use free resources where and when I can.
Sometimes I pay for products.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: August 4, 2020 8:30 AM
To: Techtalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Free or paid learning?

Hi,


I'm curious about how most of us would want to learn technology. Would you prefer to glean free resources, or would it be better to get paid tutorials and training? Any feedback would be much appreciated.


Thanks,

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