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Re: 3d printing

Monte Single
 

A few years ago there was some buzz about a boy who was building a braille embosser  with lego parts;  I thing he even got some funding from m s.

Another great idea that has not materialized.

I know I wondering off topic.

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: August 9, 2020 9:02 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

 

I don't have an answer Heather, but I wonder if there are at least several factors involved:

 

1) Complexity: A Braille display has a lot of moving parts - each Braille cell needs six (often 8) moving individual pins, plus the frame, plus whatever holds them plus the circuitry to run it.  So even a 14 cell Braille display would need 112 pieces printed individually just for the pins.  You could probably setup and print a "Sheet" of them that you then snap off, much like the little plastic pieces you get in a model kit, but even so, putting them together is going to be fiddly.

 

Assuming you overcome that, you also need someone to make those models in the first place.  For many companies, by the time they have invested the R&D into that, they're probably going to think it is more worth their while simply employing a factory to make the units, and sell them with such a markup that they recoup their costs.  If they distributed 3D files for you to print yourself, A) they'd need to sell a lot to cover the cost, b) Who would be responsible for faults? and c) Unless they made them very cheap (see point a)) they'd likely find the files were readily pirated and shared between people, with no revenue then going back to them.

 

That's all pure speculation off the top of my head, I really haven't looked into it.  I expect the complexity would be a big issue.  A 3d Printed Braille stylus I expect wouldn't be that hard to make (if someone hasn't already) as would be something like a signature guide. But many of the 3d models I've seen, particularly at the consumer end of the scale, tend to be things which can be printed in one or at least a small number of pieces.

 

But I am definitely surprised there doesn't seem to be more out there.

 

Actually just looking, here is an article from 2016 on a 3d printed refreshable Braille display which aimed to be a low cost device: https://www.3ders.org/articles/20160508-low-cost-3d-printed-braille-reader-aims-to-increase-literacy-rates-for-the-blind.html

 

There might be more out there!

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:57 AM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

I was thinking now, we can just 3d print our parts  to make our braille displays so they would be cheaper; the embossers would be cheaper; electric braille labeler makers would be cheaper etc. It has not happened this way, wonder why? So is the cost of 3d printing off set the cost of making these items or has 3d printing not cost effective enough to make these items? I read about people being able to 3d print houses which is much larger than say a braille display or embosser so, why are makers of blindness products not taking advantage of this technology?

CHeers Heather

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:05 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

 

I found a couple of models of things like dice and signature guides on  https://www.thingiverse.com/ but I thought there would be more of a community somewhere.  Maybe there is and I just haven't found it yet, but the response I've got to this message and on twitter etc, indicates that if there is, it mustn't be widely known about...

 

 

 

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

When 3D printing was having its moment and really coming into the mainstream a few years ago, I really thought there’d be more enthusiasm for it in the blind community. Imagine all the possibilities. 3D printed maps accurately depicting mountain ranges and terrain. All sorts of objects. I for one whenever I travel, make it a point to snatch up all the cheesy miniatures of all the landmarks I visit, but imagine all the structures and layouts for recreation education and mobility you can think of printing to get a better idea of how things and places are shaped. Alas, cant’ say I know of too many places or companies that delved into this.

It could just be me too. Maybe I’m just not aware of it. I for one wouldn’t mind getting my hands on some of these things.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:44 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

 

Thanks Sharon!

 

I figure there are things I can think of - such as guides, small tactile objects and so on, but I'm sure there are plenty more things I haven't even thought of, and others interested in the same thing (either people who are blind or have low vision, family members or people in the industry for their clients).

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:31 PM Sharon Hooley <shooley42@...> wrote:

There was a zoom meeting on Open Scad coding, but I didn't see an invitation.  It was with the National Federation of the Blind.  I'll ask your question on their crafters list.

 

 

On 8/5/2020 1:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

This is a personal question, I'm considering getting a 3d printer, and was wondering whether there were any resources available on using these as accessibility tools? For instance, I have found 3d files to print tactile dice or signature guides with them, and was interested in exploring what else can be done in that regard. Are there any mailing lists, web pages, facebook groups etc dedicated to this aspect of 3d printing that anyone is aware of please?  

 

Bonus points of course, for something which works with NVDA :)

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 
Re: 3d printing

Quentin Christensen
 

I don't have an answer Heather, but I wonder if there are at least several factors involved:

1) Complexity: A Braille display has a lot of moving parts - each Braille cell needs six (often 8) moving individual pins, plus the frame, plus whatever holds them plus the circuitry to run it.  So even a 14 cell Braille display would need 112 pieces printed individually just for the pins.  You could probably setup and print a "Sheet" of them that you then snap off, much like the little plastic pieces you get in a model kit, but even so, putting them together is going to be fiddly.

Assuming you overcome that, you also need someone to make those models in the first place.  For many companies, by the time they have invested the R&D into that, they're probably going to think it is more worth their while simply employing a factory to make the units, and sell them with such a markup that they recoup their costs.  If they distributed 3D files for you to print yourself, A) they'd need to sell a lot to cover the cost, b) Who would be responsible for faults? and c) Unless they made them very cheap (see point a)) they'd likely find the files were readily pirated and shared between people, with no revenue then going back to them.

That's all pure speculation off the top of my head, I really haven't looked into it.  I expect the complexity would be a big issue.  A 3d Printed Braille stylus I expect wouldn't be that hard to make (if someone hasn't already) as would be something like a signature guide. But many of the 3d models I've seen, particularly at the consumer end of the scale, tend to be things which can be printed in one or at least a small number of pieces.

But I am definitely surprised there doesn't seem to be more out there.

Actually just looking, here is an article from 2016 on a 3d printed refreshable Braille display which aimed to be a low cost device: https://www.3ders.org/articles/20160508-low-cost-3d-printed-braille-reader-aims-to-increase-literacy-rates-for-the-blind.html

There might be more out there!

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:57 AM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:
I was thinking now, we can just 3d print our parts  to make our braille displays so they would be cheaper; the embossers would be cheaper; electric braille labeler makers would be cheaper etc. It has not happened this way, wonder why? So is the cost of 3d printing off set the cost of making these items or has 3d printing not cost effective enough to make these items? I read about people being able to 3d print houses which is much larger than say a braille display or embosser so, why are makers of blindness products not taking advantage of this technology?
CHeers Heather
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

I found a couple of models of things like dice and signature guides on  https://www.thingiverse.com/ but I thought there would be more of a community somewhere.  Maybe there is and I just haven't found it yet, but the response I've got to this message and on twitter etc, indicates that if there is, it mustn't be widely known about...



On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

When 3D printing was having its moment and really coming into the mainstream a few years ago, I really thought there’d be more enthusiasm for it in the blind community. Imagine all the possibilities. 3D printed maps accurately depicting mountain ranges and terrain. All sorts of objects. I for one whenever I travel, make it a point to snatch up all the cheesy miniatures of all the landmarks I visit, but imagine all the structures and layouts for recreation education and mobility you can think of printing to get a better idea of how things and places are shaped. Alas, cant’ say I know of too many places or companies that delved into this.

It could just be me too. Maybe I’m just not aware of it. I for one wouldn’t mind getting my hands on some of these things.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:44 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

 

Thanks Sharon!

 

I figure there are things I can think of - such as guides, small tactile objects and so on, but I'm sure there are plenty more things I haven't even thought of, and others interested in the same thing (either people who are blind or have low vision, family members or people in the industry for their clients).

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:31 PM Sharon Hooley <shooley42@...> wrote:

There was a zoom meeting on Open Scad coding, but I didn't see an invitation.  It was with the National Federation of the Blind.  I'll ask your question on their crafters list.

 

 

On 8/5/2020 1:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

This is a personal question, I'm considering getting a 3d printer, and was wondering whether there were any resources available on using these as accessibility tools? For instance, I have found 3d files to print tactile dice or signature guides with them, and was interested in exploring what else can be done in that regard. Are there any mailing lists, web pages, facebook groups etc dedicated to this aspect of 3d printing that anyone is aware of please?  

 

Bonus points of course, for something which works with NVDA :)

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 


 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Re: Can one reset pc USB ports

Mike B
 

You would have to delete the USB port drivers and reboot the computer so they reinstall.  If you do this don't have anything plugged into the USB ports if possible.  Do a search for steps for your operating system.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Fanus
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2020 6:59 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Can one reset pc USB ports

Hello list
More and more I get an error "the last USB device has malfunctioned" when
plugging a device into a USB port. For example: on Friday 1 august I made a
backup of my hard drive to an external drive with Casper software. Yesterday
when I inserted the same cable into the same USB port I got that message. As
stated above this happens more and more.
Regards
Fanus
Re: Samsung phone won't connect to pc via USB

Mike B
 

Perhaps your cable is only a charging cable and does not support data transfer. 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Fanus
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2020 7:06 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Samsung phone won't connect to pc via USB

Hello list
I obtained a new Samsung phone. I selected the Connections setting, then USB
and there are a few options and I selected "file transfer". When I plug the
USB cable into the pc the phone responds with "charging battery" which was
one of the choices but I did not select it. Can anyone suggest what the
problem might be? Also, I did a google search for Android phones which
accepts OTG so that I can use a USB keyboard and this phone was on the list.
When I plug the OTG cable in and connect the USB keyboard, the phone does
not "see" the keyboard.
Regards
Fanus
Re: Question

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Hello. I own and moderate the Microsoft Teams accessibility list and this is the correct subscription address.

teams-access+subscribe@groups.io


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/8/2020 10:48 PM, joseph hudson wrote:
Hello And, here is the correct email address as I posted earlier for Heather in the midst of my correction email.ail address as I posted in a previous email.

teams-access+subscribe@groups.io
On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to know the answer to this too. I'm helping a student and he, too, needs to use Microsoft Teams.

Ann P.

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Samsung phone won't connect to pc via USB

Fanus
 

Hello list
I obtained a new Samsung phone. I selected the Connections setting, then USB
and there are a few options and I selected "file transfer". When I plug the
USB cable into the pc the phone responds with "charging battery" which was
one of the choices but I did not select it. Can anyone suggest what the
problem might be? Also, I did a google search for Android phones which
accepts OTG so that I can use a USB keyboard and this phone was on the list.
When I plug the OTG cable in and connect the USB keyboard, the phone does
not "see" the keyboard.
Regards
Fanus
Can one reset pc USB ports

Fanus
 

Hello list
More and more I get an error "the last USB device has malfunctioned" when
plugging a device into a USB port. For example: on Friday 1 august I made a
backup of my hard drive to an external drive with Casper software. Yesterday
when I inserted the same cable into the same USB port I got that message. As
stated above this happens more and more.
Regards
Fanus
Re: reading file information in file explorer JAWS versus window eyes.

Gene
 

Has he tried right arrowing while on a name to see if he can move through information fields? If he sees no fields, he should change the view in the Windows file explorer from list to details.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: adam morris
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2020 5:14 AM
To: tech talk
Subject: [TechTalk] reading file information in file explorer JAWS versus window eyes.

Hi all,
I'm working with someone who is still using Window Eyes but trying to use JAWS more.
If he is in a list of audio files in file explorer in Windows 10 using Window eyes he can hear the file length as he arrows through the list.
If he unloads WE and loads JAWS he doesn't hear any of the information like file length spoken.
Does anyone know how to get JAWS to speak this information apart from going into the file properties with windows enter.
TIA.

-- Adam Morris Email, iMessage & FaceTime adam@damorris.com
talking win pe

Marvin Hunkin
 

Hi would like to thank people for helping me out. Got the bryan smart talking win 7 pe, so will be using that to install windows 8.1 inside vmware and nvda does talk after two to three minutes. And hear the computer desktop for windows 7. Thanks.
Re: microsoft teams

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Yeah, I saw your message right after I sent mine, and I was embarrassed, besides being disgusted with myself because I had been wrestling with my computer for the past hour! You got the results of my upset, and I'm sorry. I was completely exhausted and malarkifized and shouldn't have replied to your message at all.

Ann P.


Original message:

Excuse me, but I accidentally pasted the wrong address. I thought I copied the correct address to the clipboard but I didn't. But then I re-corrected myself before you could even think. So before you tell me what she's looking for just know that I knew what she was looking for. Earlier somebody had asked for the subscription info for another list and it's still happen to be on my clipboard. Not everything is going to be picture perfect around here.
On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:50 PM, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:
Hi all,
Excuse me but what has an echo list to do with microsoft teams? She's looking for a list concerning Microsoft Teams. It's right in the subject. It doesn't say anything about echo or echo products at all, please read more carefully. This is a real question asked by people who need this information for their jobs not to play music with their echo devices.
Ann P.
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Not all those who wander are lost."




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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: reading file information in file explorer JAWS versus window eyes.

Sam Taylor <sjt1982@...>
 

Hi Adam,

JAWS doesn't read these tool tips when arrowing through the filenames.

If the view is set to list, then using right/left arrow keys will present the info. Otherwise they can press jaws key plus tab to read all associated file data.

Cheers

Sam

.


On 9/08/2020 8:14 pm, adam morris wrote:
Hi all,
I'm working with someone who is still using Window Eyes but trying to use JAWS more.
If he is in a list of audio files in file explorer in Windows 10 using Window eyes he can hear the file length as he arrows through the list.
If he unloads WE and loads JAWS he doesn't hear any of the information like file length spoken.
Does anyone know how to get JAWS to speak this information apart from going into the file properties with windows enter.
TIA.

-- 

Adam Morris
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
adam@...

reading file information in file explorer JAWS versus window eyes.

adam morris
 

Hi all,
I'm working with someone who is still using Window Eyes but trying to use JAWS more.
If he is in a list of audio files in file explorer in Windows 10 using Window eyes he can hear the file length as he arrows through the list.
If he unloads WE and loads JAWS he doesn't hear any of the information like file length spoken.
Does anyone know how to get JAWS to speak this information apart from going into the file properties with windows enter.
TIA.

-- 

Adam Morris
Email, iMessage & FaceTime 
adam@...

Re: Question

heather albright
 

Thank you, I appreciate it. cheers Heather

----- Original Message -----
From: "joseph hudson" <jhud7789@twc.com>
To: "main@techtalk.groups.io" <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question


Hello And, here is the correct email address as I posted earlier for Heather in the midst of my correction email.ail address as I posted in a previous email.

teams-access+subscribe@groups.io
On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to know the answer to this too. I'm helping a student and he, too, needs to use Microsoft Teams.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
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Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

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Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: Question

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Hello And, here is the correct email address as I posted earlier for Heather in the midst of my correction email.ail address as I posted in a previous email.

teams-access+subscribe@groups.io

On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:

Hi all,

I'd like to know the answer to this too. I'm helping a student and he, too, needs to use Microsoft Teams.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: microsoft teams

joseph hudson <jhud7789@...>
 

Excuse me, but I accidentally pasted the wrong address. I thought I copied the correct address to the clipboard but I didn't. But then I re-corrected myself before you could even think. So before you tell me what she's looking for just know that I knew what she was looking for. Earlier somebody had asked for the subscription info for another list and it's still happen to be on my clipboard. Not everything is going to be picture perfect around here.

On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:50 PM, Ann Parsons <akp@sero.email> wrote:

Hi all,

Excuse me but what has an echo list to do with microsoft teams? She's looking for a list concerning Microsoft Teams. It's right in the subject. It doesn't say anything about echo or echo products at all, please read more carefully. This is a real question asked by people who need this information for their jobs not to play music with their echo devices.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: win 10 security and malwarebytes

Troy Burnham
 

Hi,

I have windows defender and malware bytes pro both running on a windows 10 machine with nothing disabled in either one and I'm not having any problems.

Hth.

Troy



On 8/8/2020 9:11 PM, mcLeod stinnett wrote:
win 10 security and malwarebytes

mcLeod stinnett
 

--
From Mack I have premium MB with a non expiring license. I have been advised that I need to turn off real time protection when I change to win 10 since windows defender is so much better in that version. I would like to run them both. should I exclude some folders from the scan in each program?
Re: microsoft teams

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Excuse me but what has an echo list to do with microsoft teams? She's looking for a list concerning Microsoft Teams. It's right in the subject. It doesn't say anything about echo or echo products at all, please read more carefully. This is a real question asked by people who need this information for their jobs not to play music with their echo devices.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
Re: Question

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

I'd like to know the answer to this too. I'm helping a student and he, too, needs to use Microsoft Teams.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."
The Next Door app

Kay Malmquist
 

hi all,
I am wondering if this is just me.  When I am looking at things for sale in the Next Door app, I can go in to the add and see everything there except a way to send a message to the seller.  No matter what I click on, nothing happens.  Does anyone else have this problem and if so, can you help by sending a message to the next door team?  If you have a work around, I'd really appreciate hearing it.  Thanks much.
 
Kay Malmquist
kay.malmquist@...
 
When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.
— Lao Tzu
 

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