For one thing, a sighted persohn wouldn't close the lid.  That is a hint that laptops aren't designed to operate in that way.  How hot a computer gets depends on the computer and I don't know if one can generalize.  But wwhy do anything that causes extra heat to build up that might be too much. Also, I don't know what the default action is, but laptops generally are set at the factory to shut down or sleepp or in some way stop or suspend working when the lid is closed.  You can change the close the lid setting to do nothing, in which case the computer will still run but again, I think the setting that by default in some way stops operation is a hint that it is not a good idea to let a computer run with the lid down.  And why did the person want to do so in the first place?  I see no benefit.  Just because someone may think its cool to do something because its appealing doesn't mean it is.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] closing laptop's lid while using?

Hi all,

I use a USB keyboard with my laptop and somebody who also uses a USB
keyboard told me the other day that they keep the lid closed even when
they're using it. I just wonder if that's advisable though because I
remember once I let my mom use my laptop, and she just closed the lid
without shutting it down first and when I found out and went back
several hours later the whole machine was so hot that I could barely
touch it.

That was several years ago now, but between that and leaving a desktop
computer on for a few days in a row many years ago and the motherboard
ended up burning up I don't want to take any chances, but if there is
some way that I can keep my laptop lid closed when I'm using it and the
heat won't damage it I might do that.

Oh, I don't run my laptop 24/7 but it is on all day long most days.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this matter.

Troy

For one thing, a sighted persohn wouldn't close the lid.  That is a hint that laptops aren't designed to operate in that way.  How hot a computer gets depends on the computer and I don't know if one can generalize.  But wwhy do anything that causes extra heat to build up that might be too much. Also, I don't know what the default action is, but laptops generally are set at the factory to shut down or sleepp or in some way stop or suspend working when the lid is closed.  You can change the close the lid setting to do nothing, in which case the computer will still run but again, I think the setting that by default in some way stops operation is a hint that it is not a good idea to let a computer run with the lid down.  And why did the person want to do so in the first place?  I see no benefit.  Just because someone may think its cool to do something because its appealing doesn't mean it is.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Troy Burnham
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 3:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] closing laptop's lid while using?

Hi all,

I use a USB keyboard with my laptop and somebody who also uses a USB
keyboard told me the other day that they keep the lid closed even when
they're using it. I just wonder if that's advisable though because I
remember once I let my mom use my laptop, and she just closed the lid
without shutting it down first and when I found out and went back
several hours later the whole machine was so hot that I could barely
touch it.

That was several years ago now, but between that and leaving a desktop
computer on for a few days in a row many years ago and the motherboard
ended up burning up I don't want to take any chances, but if there is
some way that I can keep my laptop lid closed when I'm using it and the
heat won't damage it I might do that.

Oh, I don't run my laptop 24/7 but it is on all day long most days.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this matter.

Troy

Hi all,

I use a USB keyboard with my laptop and somebody who also uses a USB keyboard told me the other day that they keep the lid closed even when they're using it. I just wonder if that's advisable though because I remember once I let my mom use my laptop, and she just closed the lid without shutting it down first and when I found out and went back several hours later the whole machine was so hot that I could barely touch it.

That was several years ago now, but between that and leaving a desktop computer on for a few days in a row many years ago and the motherboard ended up burning up I don't want to take any chances, but if there is some way that I can keep my laptop lid closed when I'm using it and the heat won't damage it I might do that.

Oh, I don't run my laptop 24/7 but it is on all day long most days.

Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this matter.

Troy

On Aug 10, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com> wrote:

I have a charter email account set up and I can send and receive messages just fine except to or from Groups.io. Is there some conflict between the two?

Marie

The few times I’ve used it on my PC (via the browser and not the Win 10 app), it’s been fine. I’m almost exclusively an iPhone user for this service though.

say

How well does this application work with jaws

Thanks,

Jeff

How well does this application work with jaws

Thanks,

Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 10:01 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

I don't have an answer Heather, but I wonder if there are at least several factors involved:

1) Complexity: A Braille display has a lot of moving parts - each Braille cell needs six (often 8) moving individual pins, plus the frame, plus whatever holds them plus the circuitry to run it.  So even a 14 cell Braille display would need 112 pieces printed individually just for the pins.  You could probably setup and print a "Sheet" of them that you then snap off, much like the little plastic pieces you get in a model kit, but even so, putting them together is going to be fiddly.

Assuming you overcome that, you also need someone to make those models in the first place.  For many companies, by the time they have invested the R&D into that, they're probably going to think it is more worth their while simply employing a factory to make the units, and sell them with such a markup that they recoup their costs.  If they distributed 3D files for you to print yourself, A) they'd need to sell a lot to cover the cost, b) Who would be responsible for faults? and c) Unless they made them very cheap (see point a)) they'd likely find the files were readily pirated and shared between people, with no revenue then going back to them.

That's all pure speculation off the top of my head, I really haven't looked into it.  I expect the complexity would be a big issue.  A 3d Printed Braille stylus I expect wouldn't be that hard to make (if someone hasn't already) as would be something like a signature guide. But many of the 3d models I've seen, particularly at the consumer end of the scale, tend to be things which can be printed in one or at least a small number of pieces.

But I am definitely surprised there doesn't seem to be more out there.

Actually just looking, here is an article from 2016 on a 3d printed refreshable Braille display which aimed to be a low cost device: https://www.3ders.org/articles/20160508-low-cost-3d-printed-braille-reader-aims-to-increase-literacy-rates-for-the-blind.html

There might be more out there!

Quentin.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 2:57 AM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

I was thinking now, we can just 3d print our parts  to make our braille displays so they would be cheaper; the embossers would be cheaper; electric braille labeler makers would be cheaper etc. It has not happened this way, wonder why? So is the cost of 3d printing off set the cost of making these items or has 3d printing not cost effective enough to make these items? I read about people being able to 3d print houses which is much larger than say a braille display or embosser so, why are makers of blindness products not taking advantage of this technology?

CHeers Heather

----- Original Message -----

From: Quentin Christensen

To: main@techtalk.groups.io

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:05 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

I found a couple of models of things like dice and signature guides on  https://www.thingiverse.com/ but I thought there would be more of a community somewhere.  Maybe there is and I just haven't found it yet, but the response I've got to this message and on twitter etc, indicates that if there is, it mustn't be widely known about...

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 2:02 PM Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

When 3D printing was having its moment and really coming into the mainstream a few years ago, I really thought there’d be more enthusiasm for it in the blind community. Imagine all the possibilities. 3D printed maps accurately depicting mountain ranges and terrain. All sorts of objects. I for one whenever I travel, make it a point to snatch up all the cheesy miniatures of all the landmarks I visit, but imagine all the structures and layouts for recreation education and mobility you can think of printing to get a better idea of how things and places are shaped. Alas, cant’ say I know of too many places or companies that delved into this.

It could just be me too. Maybe I’m just not aware of it. I for one wouldn’t mind getting my hands on some of these things.

 

 

Cristóbal

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:44 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] 3d printing

 

Thanks Sharon!

 

I figure there are things I can think of - such as guides, small tactile objects and so on, but I'm sure there are plenty more things I haven't even thought of, and others interested in the same thing (either people who are blind or have low vision, family members or people in the industry for their clients).

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:31 PM Sharon Hooley <shooley42@...> wrote:

There was a zoom meeting on Open Scad coding, but I didn't see an invitation.  It was with the National Federation of the Blind.  I'll ask your question on their crafters list.

 

 

On 8/5/2020 1:30 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

This is a personal question, I'm considering getting a 3d printer, and was wondering whether there were any resources available on using these as accessibility tools? For instance, I have found 3d files to print tactile dice or signature guides with them, and was interested in exploring what else can be done in that regard. Are there any mailing lists, web pages, facebook groups etc dedicated to this aspect of 3d printing that anyone is aware of please?  

 

Bonus points of course, for something which works with NVDA :)

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

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Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org 

Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess

Hi Doug,

Press windows and r for the run dialogue and type winver

then press enter and read the dialog with insert b.

Hi all

 

How can I check what version of W10 I’m currently running?

 

Hi all

How can I check what version of W10 I’m currently running?

Hi all

 

How can I check what version of W10 I’m currently running?

 

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