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locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Laz
 

Hmm. I post a message so that people have a fuller understanding of
where you're coming from and you point out how invalid my message is.

It's not an obsession to top post;it's what we as blind people find
easier for us. And please explain to us why the majority of blind
people on every list you join need to adopt your way of doing things
instead of you adapting to the way things are done on a blind mailing
list?

You have to walk the walk of being blind before you actually
understand what it's like; it's not something you jusdt pick up from
talking with some blind people, reading books, watching movies andTV
shows, etc. It doesn't just rub off of them and onto yourself. It's an
experience that until you go through it yourself you can't claim to
understand what it's like to be blind.

Please attempt to be civil in your replies and messages.

Laz

On 8/27/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Laz wrote:


it should be noted that Brian is fully sighted and does things as a
sighted person does
-
Indeed I am and do. I've never made a secret of the fact I'm fully
sighted.

That doesn't make any of the rest of your message have the slightest bit of
validity. I've been working with blind individuals for many, many years
now, and am acutely aware of "how things work." But the fact is that "how
things work" in any community often need to be changed, at least somewhat.

The obsession with only top-posting, and never including any reference
material before starting one's own content, is one of those things. I hear,
and frequently, "We/I want to be treated just like anyone else." Well, I'm
not going to back down on my earlier assertion that this particular style of
"quote response quote response" has been the norm in most email I've dealt
with since the 1980s when one cannot simply presume that the reader will
know exactly who and/or what is being replied to at the outset. It's long
past time that the complaints about this cease, period. It's done, it's
done commonly, you (any you) need to know how to deal with it. And most
sighted people would not bother with including a hyphen, as I do, because
they'd have no reason to believe it is necessary.

I do conform myself to the customs of any community in which I participate
when possible and when those customs do not interfere with effective
communication. If I had not left the tiny bit of context at the outset to
which I was replying, this message would have been much less clear. It's
that simply, so I'm not going to even try to please those that want me to
write in a manner I know to be less clear, not more so.

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Re: Repeated message about filling out survey for census Bureau

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Regardless of "the where" the general advice remains the same:   Look at the link, and by that I mean the click-through text AND what the actual link for said text is.

If you've participated in the US Census and supplied them with your cell number as part of that, it could very well be legitimate.  If the link indicates www.census.gov at the beginning it is almost certainly legitimate.

But, if you want to exercise the maximum caution, even if the link appears to be legitimate, don't activate it as presented.  Go to your web browser and hand-type the link in, and see if that takes you where you'd expect it to.

In this case, if it starts with census.gov I have little reason to believe it's fake, but it's not impossible.

But the basic principle with suspect links is you never activate them directly.   
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Pamela Dominguez
 

I am the same way. Sometimes, it takes so long to find the message. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

I, for one, will not bother with bottom posting. If it is not at the top, where it is convenient to read, I just move on to the next one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

I totally agree with those who don't like to see the original message at the top. The interesting thing is, back in 2001 and somewhat later, when I started joining groups, many sighted people put the original messages on top. At that time most were from AOL, and I did have to delete most of these because yes it's confusing and even putting a hyphen in you still don't know how long the original message is and where to find that hyphen and read the reply. Now it seems that few if any sighted people in groups reply with the original message at the top, and I admit I was a little surprised a blind person would do it simply because many blind people, just like me, were confused and even annoyed by this practice. I wonder if many in the sighted community found it to be as frustrating as we sometimes get, because I haven't seen this hardly at all in groups where mostly sighted people are members. I do know who replies at the bottom in this and another group, and I just delete those messages. Leaving the original message in emails can be very helpful, and many of us leave the originals but at the bottom. I don't want it to be an argument either, and the original member who simply pointed out that it's confusing, wasn't trying to be rude but was trying to just point out something that would be helpful to many of us. Of course people will do what they want, but I don't think this was originally intended to start an argument but to let the poster know that it can be confusing. I'd never tell someone how to post, and just because some of us don't like it that doesn't mean a person has to make a change if he doesn't want to.
Without arguing, I'm simply expressing my opinion as others have and that's all.









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Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:57 AM, <gbmagoo@...> wrote:
Did this come to you only?
-
No
 
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Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

gbmagoo@...
 

Because I was in a hurry and without thinking I sent it to the list

Did this come to yyou only?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 07:46
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

But it came to the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Yes it did

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 07:36
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Sorry to bother you, just seeing if this works,l thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why in your in box list of mails.
On the one you wish to reply to or to the group do the following Right click on the email which is shift f10 Now I got a lis of choices the first was reply the second was reply to all arrow to the one you wish and hit enter and do your email thing in the opened email

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 04:49
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm almost embarrassed that I'm even asking this question as I assumed that the method for doing this was obvious. Perhaps it is but clearly it isn't to me.

Using Win10, version 2004 with what is likely the latest build or at least a very current version of Outlook 365.

Normally, if a sender has sent a message to you along with other individuals pressing ctrl-r replies to the original sender only and pressing shift-ctrl-r replies to everyone in the thread.

Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message using Outlook. In that instance pressing ctrl-R does reply to the group.

If I press the tab key a few times after opening the message I do encounter a button with the name of the original sender. You would think that pressing space or enter on that button would allow you to send an email to that person but it does not. Even the context menu doesn't have an option to send an email message as it does with Thunderbird. What's the most efficient method for sending an email to just the sender?


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Re: Repeated message about filling out survey for census Bureau

Sharon Hooley
 

Actually, it's not an email, but a text message on my phone.

On 8/26/2020 4:13 PM, Gene wrote:
First, make sure it is from the census.  Phishers can try to use almost anything to get people to go to malicious sites or go to sites that ask you for personal information that is sent to the criminals.

Don't follow any links.  Do a search on whether the census bureau is, in fact, asking people for information about the coronavirus. it sounds very implausible to me.  they are an organization to enumerate the number of people in the United States.  I would think medical information would be solicited by a different agency.  And I haven't heard a word, with all the coverage of the census controversy, of the census bureau collecting any such information.

Then, if you find there is such a legitimate survey, don't follow the link. Find out how to get to the site another way, or if you know how to check the link for authenticity, you can do that and follow it if it really is.  But this sounds like classic phishing.  Be very skeptical of any e-mail that claims to come from somewhere and wants you to do something.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Repeated message about filling out survey for census Bureau

Hi,

I keep getting a message that the Census needs for me to fill out a survey about Covid 19.  WHAT would you do?  Would we be in trouble if we ignore it?


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Re: I need a step by step guide to set up a play list in win amp please.

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  This is a very simple m3u file that you could put in the folder for which you want to create a playlist for.


Open up your notepad and use this as a template.


So say you have a folder called Songs, and the first song in there is "Memories" and the artist is Maroon5, you would write something like this, all relevant info separated by comma:


Songs,Maroon5,Memories.mp3


Then save it as a M3U file and put inside your Songs folder.  You could include other types of info as well such as album name, date of release and track number, but all this must be on one line and all the information must be comma separated.  Once you've done editting, go to your Songs folder, enter on the M3U file and Winamp will play the songs as listed in your M3U file to the end.  Cheers!


On 27/8/2020 10:13 pm, Jim Rawls wrote:

Hi all, I am running jaws 2020 and windows ten. Thanks. Jim        


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

But it came to the list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Yes it did

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 07:36
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Sorry to bother you, just seeing if this works,l thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why in your in box list of mails.
On the one you wish to reply to or to the group do the following Right click on the email which is shift f10 Now I got a lis of choices the first was reply the second was reply to all arrow to the one you wish and hit enter and do your email thing in the opened email

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 04:49
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm almost embarrassed that I'm even asking this question as I assumed that the method for doing this was obvious. Perhaps it is but clearly it isn't to me.

Using Win10, version 2004 with what is likely the latest build or at least a very current version of Outlook 365.

Normally, if a sender has sent a message to you along with other individuals pressing ctrl-r replies to the original sender only and pressing shift-ctrl-r replies to everyone in the thread.

Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message using Outlook. In that instance pressing ctrl-R does reply to the group.

If I press the tab key a few times after opening the message I do encounter a button with the name of the original sender. You would think that pressing space or enter on that button would allow you to send an email to that person but it does not. Even the context menu doesn't have an option to send an email message as it does with Thunderbird. What's the most efficient method for sending an email to just the sender?


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

So, it did not work.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:36 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Sorry to bother you, just seeing if this works,l thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why in your in box list of mails.
On the one you wish to reply to or to the group do the following Right click on the email which is shift f10 Now I got a lis of choices the first was reply the second was reply to all arrow to the one you wish and hit enter and do your email thing in the opened email

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 04:49
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm almost embarrassed that I'm even asking this question as I assumed that the method for doing this was obvious. Perhaps it is but clearly it isn't to me.

Using Win10, version 2004 with what is likely the latest build or at least a very current version of Outlook 365.

Normally, if a sender has sent a message to you along with other individuals pressing ctrl-r replies to the original sender only and pressing shift-ctrl-r replies to everyone in the thread.

Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message using Outlook. In that instance pressing ctrl-R does reply to the group.

If I press the tab key a few times after opening the message I do encounter a button with the name of the original sender. You would think that pressing space or enter on that button would allow you to send an email to that person but it does not. Even the context menu doesn't have an option to send an email message as it does with Thunderbird. What's the most efficient method for sending an email to just the sender?


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Carolyn Arnold
 

I would much rather someone post, Brian, like you, and a few others with a bit on top about what was said that just post and cut off at their message, where, sometimes, I have to flounder to know what in the world they are talking about, with no reference.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:34 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Laz wrote:


it should be noted that Brian is fully sighted and does things as a sighted person does

-
Indeed I am and do. I've never made a secret of the fact I'm fully sighted.

That doesn't make any of the rest of your message have the slightest bit of validity. I've been working with blind individuals for many, many years now, and am acutely aware of "how things work." But the fact is that "how things work" in any community often need to be changed, at least somewhat.

The obsession with only top-posting, and never including any reference material before starting one's own content, is one of those things. I hear, and frequently, "We/I want to be treated just like anyone else." Well, I'm not going to back down on my earlier assertion that this particular style of "quote response quote response" has been the norm in most email I've dealt with since the 1980s when one cannot simply presume that the reader will know exactly who and/or what is being replied to at the outset. It's long past time that the complaints about this cease, period. It's done, it's done commonly, you (any you) need to know how to deal with it. And most sighted people would not bother with including a hyphen, as I do, because they'd have no reason to believe it is necessary.

I do conform myself to the customs of any community in which I participate when possible and when those customs do not interfere with effective communication. If I had not left the tiny bit of context at the outset to which I was replying, this message would have been much less clear. It's that simply, so I'm not going to even try to please those that want me to write in a manner I know to be less clear, not more so.

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Laz
 

Actually this isn't always the case; mostly people actually just leave
quietly. However in Joseph Hudson's case I believe he wanted people to
know that he has his own list where he does things his way and
announced it after attacking this list's owner. This is not the first
time he has done this.

And yes, Gene has done a marvelous jobrunning this list closely
channeling Carlos.

Stay well,

Laz

On 8/27/20, Dave <dlh007@centurylink.net> wrote:
Why do Members of a list usually threaten to leave the list when someone
else says something they find objectionable?


Holding yourself Hostage just seems a bit Self Centered to me.


I've been a list owner in years past, and a member of many lists through
the years.


If I don't care for someone's attitude, or their opinions, I rarely kick
them off the list, nor do I cry to the list owner to have them bring
correction.


I use my Delete Key, and I don't read posts with that subject line. I
once was on a list not too long ago, when I had two other members just
bringing material that was meant to be obnoxious.


I found their comments to be irritating, and so I just stopped reading
anything they posted. If I could have figured out how to do it, I would
have had my Email program just filter out all messages sent to the list
by these two people.


Instead I just Deleted them by hand.


Everyone has their opinions, and I may not care for some, they still
have the right to state them.


Freedom of Speech is valuable, extremely valuable. And to lose it, as
we are experiencing in the Western Nations will end up being a terrible
thing.


Be careful what you ask for and demand, as some day it could, and
probably will be used against you.


Grumpy Dave






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locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Carolyn Arnold
 

If I intend to leave a list, I do not intrude on everyone in the list, just simply to go bottom of email and click on unsubscribe. If I'm leaving, why throw a fit about it, just bye, bye, way easier for me and everyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Why do Members of a list usually threaten to leave the list when someone else says something they find objectionable?


Holding yourself Hostage just seems a bit Self Centered to me.


I've been a list owner in years past, and a member of many lists through the years.


If I don't care for someone's attitude, or their opinions, I rarely kick them off the list, nor do I cry to the list owner to have them bring correction.


I use my Delete Key, and I don't read posts with that subject line. I once was on a list not too long ago, when I had two other members just bringing material that was meant to be obnoxious.


I found their comments to be irritating, and so I just stopped reading anything they posted. If I could have figured out how to do it, I would have had my Email program just filter out all messages sent to the list by these two people.


Instead I just Deleted them by hand.


Everyone has their opinions, and I may not care for some, they still have the right to state them.


Freedom of Speech is valuable, extremely valuable. And to lose it, as we are experiencing in the Western Nations will end up being a terrible thing.


Be careful what you ask for and demand, as some day it could, and probably will be used against you.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The default behavior for "Reply" for any Groups.io message is "Reply to List" unless a group owner has engineered something very odd, which I have yet to see a single one do.

I will repeat, one last time, if you wish to reply to the sender of a given message, privately, then use the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of that message.  Activating same should trigger your email client or webmail to open a blank message with the sender's address filled in and with the subject reading, "Private:," followed by the title of the actual topic.  Of course, you can alter the Subject to your liking if you so choose.

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

gbmagoo@...
 

Yes it did

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 07:36
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Sorry to bother you, just seeing if this works,l thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why in your in box list of mails.
On the one you wish to reply to or to the group do the following Right click on the email which is shift f10 Now I got a lis of choices the first was reply the second was reply to all arrow to the one you wish and hit enter and do your email thing in the opened email

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 04:49
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm almost embarrassed that I'm even asking this question as I assumed that the method for doing this was obvious. Perhaps it is but clearly it isn't to me.

Using Win10, version 2004 with what is likely the latest build or at least a very current version of Outlook 365.

Normally, if a sender has sent a message to you along with other individuals pressing ctrl-r replies to the original sender only and pressing shift-ctrl-r replies to everyone in the thread.

Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message using Outlook. In that instance pressing ctrl-R does reply to the group.

If I press the tab key a few times after opening the message I do encounter a button with the name of the original sender. You would think that pressing space or enter on that button would allow you to send an email to that person but it does not. Even the context menu doesn't have an option to send an email message as it does with Thunderbird. What's the most efficient method for sending an email to just the sender?


--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: headphone style microphone?

Abbie Taylor
 

Sharon, if you also want a headset, you can get headset/microphone combinations that plug into 3 millimeter jacks. I hope that helps.
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Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

Sorry to bother you, just seeing if this works,l thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Why in your in box list of mails.
On the one you wish to reply to or to the group do the following Right click on the email which is shift f10 Now I got a lis of choices the first was reply the second was reply to all arrow to the one you wish and hit enter and do your email thing in the opened email

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 04:49
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

I'm almost embarrassed that I'm even asking this question as I assumed that the method for doing this was obvious. Perhaps it is but clearly it isn't to me.

Using Win10, version 2004 with what is likely the latest build or at least a very current version of Outlook 365.

Normally, if a sender has sent a message to you along with other individuals pressing ctrl-r replies to the original sender only and pressing shift-ctrl-r replies to everyone in the thread.

Someone asked me how to reply to the original sender of a Groups.io message using Outlook. In that instance pressing ctrl-R does reply to the group.

If I press the tab key a few times after opening the message I do encounter a button with the name of the original sender. You would think that pressing space or enter on that button would allow you to send an email to that person but it does not. Even the context menu doesn't have an option to send an email message as it does with Thunderbird. What's the most efficient method for sending an email to just the sender?


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locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Laz wrote:
it should be noted that Brian is fully sighted and does things as a sighted person does
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Indeed I am and do.  I've never made a secret of the fact I'm fully sighted.

That doesn't make any of the rest of your message have the slightest bit of validity.  I've been working with blind individuals for many, many years now, and am acutely aware of "how things work."  But the fact is that "how things work" in any community often need to be changed, at least somewhat.

The obsession with only top-posting, and never including any reference material before starting one's own content, is one of those things.  I hear, and frequently, "We/I want to be treated just like anyone else."  Well, I'm not going to back down on my earlier assertion that this particular style of "quote response quote response" has been the norm in most email I've dealt with since the 1980s when one cannot simply presume that the reader will know exactly who and/or what is being replied to at the outset.  It's long past time that the complaints about this cease, period.   It's done, it's done commonly, you (any you) need to know how to deal with it.  And most sighted people would not bother with including a hyphen, as I do, because they'd have no reason to believe it is necessary.

I do conform myself to the customs of any community in which I participate when possible and when those customs do not interfere with effective communication.  If I had not left the tiny bit of context at the outset to which I was replying, this message would have been much less clear.  It's that simply, so I'm not going to even try to please those that want me to write in a manner I know to be less clear, not more so.
 
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Re: number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?

Pamela Dominguez
 

What are developer groups?  Pam.
 

From: Norman
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 5:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] number of people acceptable to keep everyone unmuted during a meeting?
 

I have to agree with brian here.

Quoting the message that you're responding to above your response is a fairly common practice, especially in developer groups. I used to be on a list for drbd, which is a data syncronization program and well over 80 percent of the messages on that list were written in such a manner.

Personally i've not started doing that as a general practice, but the wining on this subject has made me think about starting to do so.

 

On 8/26/2020 11:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:06 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:
In a normal email, if the person answers the person’s questions, you can see what they are responding to under the response.
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No.  In a typical "blind-style" email, perhaps, but I can assure you that most of the world does "quote, response, quote, response, quote, response" not "response, quote, response, quote, response, quote," when complex exchanges are involved.

Even I don't quote at the top when it would be immediately obvious to most readers in a topic what I was responding to.  This message is another case where there have been multiple responses, by multiple members, prior to this offering by me.

This entire message would be far harder to decipher were the assertion I'm saying is incorrect were to be at the bottom.  I would, in fact, for most readers, be entirely backward.

I also found out that NVDA (and, by extension, I'd be willing to presume most screen readers) can handle block quotes in e-mail messages with a built-in single letter navigation command, and a complementary single character (but not letter) built-in command to jump out of a block quote to the next/previous batch of unquoted material.  Anyone who wants to read about that can see the topic on the NVDA Group: 
Access regarding email with quotations and screen readers, NVDA, in this case

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Re: Question: How to Reply To the Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Carolyn Arnold
 

Recently, I tried JAWS-Key+Shift+R, and it came right to the
list.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question: How to Reply To the
Original Sender Of a Groups.io Message Using Outlook 365

Mr. Goldfield asked:

"What's the most efficient method for sending an email to
just the sender?"

If using Jaws as a screen reader, Jaws-Key (AKA
INSERT)+Shift+r does the trick. It will PLACE THE SENDER'S
ADDRESS in the "TO" field automatically, and you can start
typing your text in the message body.

I don't know how this can be done using NVDA.

Hope this is a tad helpful?

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


locked Re: Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

Carolyn Arnold
 

I, for one, will not bother with bottom posting. If it is not at the top, where it is convenient to read, I just move on to the next one.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of joanne
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 7:49 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Talking about quoting threads in the blindness community

I totally agree with those who don't like to see the original message at the top. The interesting thing is, back in 2001 and somewhat later, when I started joining groups, many sighted people put the original messages on top. At that time most were from AOL, and I did have to delete most of these because yes it's confusing and even putting a hyphen in you still don't know how long the original message is and where to find that hyphen and read the reply. Now it seems that few if any sighted people in groups reply with the original message at the top, and I admit I was a little surprised a blind person would do it simply because many blind people, just like me, were confused and even annoyed by this practice. I wonder if many in the sighted community found it to be as frustrating as we sometimes get, because I haven't seen this hardly at all in groups where mostly sighted people are members. I do know who replies at the bottom in this and another group, and I just delete those messages. Leaving the original message in emails can be very helpful, and many of us leave the originals but at the bottom. I don't want it to be an argument either, and the original member who simply pointed out that it's confusing, wasn't trying to be rude but was trying to just point out something that would be helpful to many of us. Of course people will do what they want, but I don't think this was originally intended to start an argument but to let the poster know that it can be confusing. I'd never tell someone how to post, and just because some of us don't like it that doesn't mean a person has to make a change if he doesn't want to.
Without arguing, I'm simply expressing my opinion as others have and that's all.

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