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Re: Admin. A possible change to list settings

Gene
 

That's an advantage of making the change I made. This setting has nothing to do with addresses being seen inn the to line in the web interface. They aren't shown. The setting I changed, before I changed it, wouldn't have allowed your address to be seen in the tag line. With the change the address will be seen.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Admin. A possible change to list settings

Hi all,

The problem with this, now that I read it again is that if somebody
wants to recommend a product or service and puts the email address in
the message, it won't be seen. My email address will not be seen in my
tagline. I have it there for a specific reason. I want people to
contact me if they need training. How can they do that if the email
address doesn't show?

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Gene
 

I generally don't bother about such things. Something may annoy or amuse me a bit that a committee decides a program should do or say, but that's about it. I get much more disgusted when hospital workers or staff in a docgtor's office wish me or others to have a great day. this is the result of no thought or incompetent thought being given to what staff should say and directing them about it.

They don't know anything about the patient's visit or what medical news he has been given. If someone receives bad news, its really insulting and downright cruel to say to the person, have a great day. What if the person is in pain of which they are unaware.

Its those kinds of things that really bother me, not something an inanimate machine says.

But I didn't bring it up as a criticism, I was pointing out that it is a sort of attempt to be more friendly than to have an ok button or something less friendly sounding.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 7:35 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Hi all,

Yes, of course it wasn't worth getting all upset for, but I'm only
human, Gene. That dialog just made me so angry! It reminded me of
well meaning but clueless people who say, "You're coming to a
stairway." Or, "You're going to run into the wall...." That, "Do you
want to find this file now?" just pressed my buttons! I do distinctly
remember screaming at the computer, "When else would I want the file?
Tuesday, next week, next Christmas?"

Perhaps the fact that the file for which I was searching was crucial in
my prep for a student and I had about twenty minutes to find it might
have had something to do with my knee-jerk reaction. Oh, well,
nobody's perfect, only God.

Ann P.


Original message:
That question was just a substitution for an ok button or a find now button
and was a consumer device to appear friendly. Its not worth getting angry
about, just as its not worth getting angry or annoyed when you call an
automated phone system and it pretends to be a person, though the phoniness
of it bothers me when it says things like I'll just look that up, as though
its an overly friendly person, or it thanks me for calling when it doesn't
even know I called or the phony pretense of the system pressing computer
keys while its doing something.


Re: Admin. A possible change to list settings

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

The problem with this, now that I read it again is that if somebody wants to recommend a product or service and puts the email address in the message, it won't be seen. My email address will not be seen in my tagline. I have it there for a specific reason. I want people to contact me if they need training. How can they do that if the email address doesn't show?

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Question About Desktop

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Yes, you're right, but sometimes too much 411 is confusing. I actually like the way Win10 has arranged 'This PC'. It just makes sense to put all the various folders and drives in the same place.

Ann P.


Original message:

Actually, in Windows 10 the Downloads folder is also located in
c:\users\(name of user)\downloads
as in
c:\users\david\downloads
The item in "This PC" is a shortcut.
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Yes, of course it wasn't worth getting all upset for, but I'm only human, Gene. That dialog just made me so angry! It reminded me of well meaning but clueless people who say, "You're coming to a stairway." Or, "You're going to run into the wall...." That, "Do you want to find this file now?" just pressed my buttons! I do distinctly remember screaming at the computer, "When else would I want the file? Tuesday, next week, next Christmas?"

Perhaps the fact that the file for which I was searching was crucial in my prep for a student and I had about twenty minutes to find it might have had something to do with my knee-jerk reaction. Oh, well, nobody's perfect, only God.

Ann P.


Original message:

That question was just a substitution for an ok button or a find now button
and was a consumer device to appear friendly. Its not worth getting angry
about, just as its not worth getting angry or annoyed when you call an
automated phone system and it pretends to be a person, though the phoniness
of it bothers me when it says things like I'll just look that up, as though
its an overly friendly person, or it thanks me for calling when it doesn't
even know I called or the phony pretense of the system pressing computer
keys while its doing something.


Re: How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

<LOL> You're right there, Howard!

Ann P.


Original message:

Right Ann:
Don't let your computer control you, you control your computer.
but before that, just let microsoft tell you how much of your computer
they will let you control.
Howard
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Admin. A possible change to list settings

Gene
 

Two days ago, I explained a requested change to list settings. I asked for comments about this change. I've received none and I shall assume that there are no objections. I have made the requested change. You can learn about this change by reading the quoted message below this one.

If anyone objects and didn't notify me or didn't see the original message, you may do so now, but at this time, it appears there are no objections or almost none. I believe this change is adventageous.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 2:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Admin. A possible change to list settings

From the owner:

I have had a request to make a change in list settings. This doesn't affect
what members see if they receive e-mails from the list. But if someone
sends a message containing an e-mail address, someone searching the archives
or reading messages in their browser on the site now wouldn't see it. For
example, if someone sent the e-mail address of a Braille Repair service,
that address wouldn't be seen in the archives or when reading mail on the
web site instead of in an e-mail program.

this sounds like a reasonable change to make. I know a small number of
people read messages using the browser interface and from time to time,
someone may search for information and see archived messages.

If anyone has any objection to this change, let me know at
gsasner@gmail.com.
I can only think of one instance where this might be objected to. Now and
then, someone sends a message asking if anyone knows the e-mail address of
someone a member is trying to contact who is a person, not a business.
While I would expect such information to rarely, if ever, come up if someone
is searching the archives for a topic, it is the only case where I can see
that anyone might object. But I want to give people a chance to comment in
case they do object or if I haven't thought of something that they think
should be considered.

the e-mail address of the sender of the message would still be hidden, as it
is now.

Gene


Re: Question About Desktop

chris judge
 

This works the same in windows 10 as it does in windows 7. If you want to add a shortcut key to a folder, once you've place the shortcut key on the desktop, just highlight the icon, press altEnter, tab twice to the shortcut key field, type the key of your choice and press enter.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: August 30, 2020 1:42 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

In Windows 7, you can use send to to create a short cut to the folder. I don't know if you can in Windows 10. You can make a shortcut to an entire drive by using send to to make a shortcut to the drive when you are on the drive letter in Windows 7. I want to open the drive on the root often enough that I have a short cut on the desktop to which I've assigned a short cut command. You can do the same to a file. I have one or two shortcuts to the exe files of portable programs I want to open conveniently and I've assigned short cut commands to one or two of those exe files.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Ann, you wrote ..


didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option
in properties,


It most certainly is. Provided that the items are shortcuts you can assign a hotkey to open any folder or, for that matter, in any file that you want.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/29/2020 4:29 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Excellent post, didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a
folder, is that option in properties, David?

Ann P.


Original message:
Shelly,
Bear in mind that items on your desktop are not always going to be
arranged vertically and so just using up or down arrow won't
guarantee that you'll see all of the available items. Press the home
key to move to the first item and then press right arrow and you may
find the other items.
Pressing the Delete key should allow you to delete **most** items on
your desktop.
I would advise users to not have downloaded items go to your desktop.
You're free to do that, of course, but over time your desktop will
become extremely cluttered and it may become more difficult to locate
the downloaded item you want to find.
To open your downloads folder, press the Windows key to open the
start menu.
Begin typing the word "downloads" without the quotes and you will
likely find the Downloads folder in the search results. In fact, the
downloads folder may well be the first item that you hear and, if
this is the case, press enter to open it.
What I do is to have a shortcut to the downloads folder on my desktop
and I also assign a shortcut key, such as control-alt-D, to open it.
That way I still have quick access to that folder without cluttering
the desktop. Let us know if you need the steps to do this and we'll
be happy to help.
Are you using Windows 10?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.
davidgoldfield.org%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C9577bbb87cf44a763d6708d84
c5a3cdf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C6373432977280693
07&amp;sdata=xLmywm7NwrZFeNJ5mQYP6QNDCny1mNc7lgIJVB2GUFE%3D&amp;reser
ved=0
On 8/29/2020 4:11 PM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop
open and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can
only see seven. How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do
I delete a program from the desktop? One more thing, how do I get
to the download folder? I usually have all of my programs go right
to desktop but someone told me some of them may be in the downloads
folder. Thanks in advance.
Shelly





Re: Zoom Enhancements Addon for NVDA

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

As I realize that the direct download link for this addon may be difficult to locate I'll provide it here.

https://github.com/mohammad-suliman/zoom-enhancements/releases/download/v1.0/zoomEnhancements-1.0.nvda-addon


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/30/2020 2:25 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
I was browsing Facebook and saw an announcement about a new addon for the NVDA screen reader which promises some additional functionality when using Zoom. I offer the following caveats.


1. I don't know if this particular addon has been vetted by the NVDA community. This doesn't in any way mean that the addon is harmful.

2. While I do use the NVDA screen reader I have not yet tested this addon and so I cannot offer any support or feedback as to its usefulness.

3. Because of this I am not endorsing this addon and so I am not responsible if it does have any negative side effects on your machine or when using Zoom.

Here is an extract from the Github page where this addon is located, along with a URL to obtain it.


Zoom Accessibility enhancements add-on for NVDA
By: Mohamad Suliman and Eilana Benish

This add-on will improve the experience of using Zoom for NVDA users by providing keyboard shortcuts to Handle alerts for Different events While In a meeting, make the process of remote control much more accessible and smoother, and more...

keyboard shortcuts for controlling alerts In meetings
NVDA + Shift + A: cycles between different modes of reporting alerts. The following modes are available:
Report all alerts mode, where all alerts are reported as usual
Beep for alerts, where NVDA will play a short beep for every alert displayed in Zoom
Silence all alerts, where NVDA will ignore all alerts
Custom mode, Where the user can customize which alerts they want to have and which not. This can be done using the settings dialog of the add-on, or by using the dedicated keyboard shortcuts for that
The following shortcuts can be used to toggle on / off the announcements of each type of alert (note that this will be effective when custom mode is selected):

NVDA + Ctrl + 1: Participant Has Joined/Left Meeting (Host Only)
NVDA + Ctrl + 2: Participant Has Joined/Left Waiting Room (Host Only)
NVDA + Ctrl + 3: Audio Muted by Host
NVDA + Ctrl + 4: Video Stopped by Host
NVDA + Ctrl + 5: Screen Sharing Started/Stopped by a Participant
NVDA + Ctrl + 6: Recording Permission Granted/Revoked
NVDA + Ctrl + 7: Public In-meeting Chat Received
NVDA + Ctrl + 8: Private In-meeting Chat Received
NVDA + Ctrl + 9: In-meeting File Upload Completed
NVDA + Ctrl + 0: Host Privilege Granted/Revoked
NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + 1: Participant Has Raised/Lowered Hand (Host Only)
NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + 2: Remote Control Permission Granted/Revoked
NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + 3: IM chat message received
Note that you need to leave reporting all alert types selected (in Zoom accessibility settings) to have the add-on function as expected.

Keyboard shortcut for Opening add on Dialogue
NVDA + Z Opens the add-on dialog !

Using this dialog you can :

See which alerts are announced and which aren't
Select the types of the alerts you want to be announced
Choose alerts reporting mode
Save custom changes
Remote control
after a remote control permission is granted, NVDA + O will move the focus in /Out of the remote controlled screen

Note that the focus should be on one of the meeting controls to be able to remote control the other screen

About
An add-on for NVDA screen reader to enhance the experience while using Zoom
https://github.com/mohammad-suliman/zoom-enhancements


Zoom Enhancements Addon for NVDA

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I was browsing Facebook and saw an announcement about a new addon for the NVDA screen reader which promises some additional functionality when using Zoom. I offer the following caveats.


1. I don't know if this particular addon has been vetted by the NVDA community. This doesn't in any way mean that the addon is harmful.

2. While I do use the NVDA screen reader I have not yet tested this addon and so I cannot offer any support or feedback as to its usefulness.

3. Because of this I am not endorsing this addon and so I am not responsible if it does have any negative side effects on your machine or when using Zoom.

Here is an extract from the Github page where this addon is located, along with a URL to obtain it.


Zoom Accessibility enhancements add-on for NVDA
By: Mohamad Suliman and Eilana Benish

This add-on will improve the experience of using Zoom for NVDA users by providing keyboard shortcuts to Handle alerts for Different events While In a meeting, make the process of remote control much more accessible and smoother, and more...

keyboard shortcuts for controlling alerts In meetings
NVDA + Shift + A: cycles between different modes of reporting alerts. The following modes are available:
Report all alerts mode, where all alerts are reported as usual
Beep for alerts, where NVDA will play a short beep for every alert displayed in Zoom
Silence all alerts, where NVDA will ignore all alerts
Custom mode, Where the user can customize which alerts they want to have and which not. This can be done using the settings dialog of the add-on, or by using the dedicated keyboard shortcuts for that
The following shortcuts can be used to toggle on / off the announcements of each type of alert (note that this will be effective when custom mode is selected):

NVDA + Ctrl + 1: Participant Has Joined/Left Meeting (Host Only)
NVDA + Ctrl + 2: Participant Has Joined/Left Waiting Room (Host Only)
NVDA + Ctrl + 3: Audio Muted by Host
NVDA + Ctrl + 4: Video Stopped by Host
NVDA + Ctrl + 5: Screen Sharing Started/Stopped by a Participant
NVDA + Ctrl + 6: Recording Permission Granted/Revoked
NVDA + Ctrl + 7: Public In-meeting Chat Received
NVDA + Ctrl + 8: Private In-meeting Chat Received
NVDA + Ctrl + 9: In-meeting File Upload Completed
NVDA + Ctrl + 0: Host Privilege Granted/Revoked
NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + 1: Participant Has Raised/Lowered Hand (Host Only)
NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + 2: Remote Control Permission Granted/Revoked
NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + 3: IM chat message received
Note that you need to leave reporting all alert types selected (in Zoom accessibility settings) to have the add-on function as expected.

Keyboard shortcut for Opening add on Dialogue
NVDA + Z Opens the add-on dialog !

Using this dialog you can :

See which alerts are announced and which aren't
Select the types of the alerts you want to be announced
Choose alerts reporting mode
Save custom changes
Remote control
after a remote control permission is granted, NVDA + O will move the focus in /Out of the remote controlled screen

Note that the focus should be on one of the meeting controls to be able to remote control the other screen

About
An add-on for NVDA screen reader to enhance the experience while using Zoom
https://github.com/mohammad-suliman/zoom-enhancements

--
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org


Re: Question About Desktop

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

The Send To command is also available in Windows 10 with the letter N usually being the shortcut key from the context menu.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/30/2020 12:41 AM, Gene wrote:
In Windows 7, you can use send to to create a short cut to the folder.  I don't know if you can in Windows 10.  You can make a shortcut to an entire drive by using send to to make a shortcut to the drive when you are on the drive letter in Windows 7.  I want to open the drive on the root often enough that I have a short cut on the desktop to which I've assigned a short cut command.  You can do the same to a file.  I have one or two shortcuts to the exe files of portable programs I want to open conveniently and I've assigned short cut commands to one or two of those exe files.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Ann, you wrote ..


didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option
in properties,


It most certainly is. Provided that the items are shortcuts you can
assign a hotkey to open any folder or, for that matter, in any file that
you want.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd7ccc8f3ff7e4724e2ef08d84c9f09cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637343593225667122&amp;sdata=EXZo1Kpcwz81Ok0Njm29kkCLHbfuJaxUQoCka23G2EQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

On 8/29/2020 4:29 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Excellent post, didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option in properties, David?

Ann P.


Original message:
Shelly,
Bear in mind that items on your desktop are not always going to be
arranged vertically and so just using up or down arrow won't guarantee
that you'll see all of the available items. Press the home key to move
to the first item and then press right arrow and you may find the other
items.
Pressing the Delete key should allow you to delete **most** items on
your desktop.
I would advise users to not have downloaded items go to your desktop.
You're free to do that, of course, but over time your desktop will
become extremely cluttered and it may become more difficult to locate
the downloaded item you want to find.
To open your downloads folder, press the Windows key to open the start menu.
Begin typing the word "downloads" without the quotes and you will likely
find the Downloads folder in the search results. In fact, the downloads
folder may well be the first item that you hear and, if this is the
case, press enter to open it.
What I do is to have a shortcut to the downloads folder on my desktop
and I also assign a shortcut key, such as control-alt-D, to open it.
That way I still have quick access to that folder without cluttering the
desktop. Let us know if you need the steps to do this and we'll be happy
to help.
Are you using Windows 10?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd7ccc8f3ff7e4724e2ef08d84c9f09cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637343593225667122&amp;sdata=EXZo1Kpcwz81Ok0Njm29kkCLHbfuJaxUQoCka23G2EQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
On 8/29/2020 4:11 PM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop
open and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can
only see seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I
delete a program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to
the download folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to
desktop but someone told me some of them may be in the downloads
folder.  Thanks in advance.
Shelly








Re: Question About Desktop

Gene
 

In Windows 7, you can use send to to create a short cut to the folder. I don't know if you can in Windows 10. You can make a shortcut to an entire drive by using send to to make a shortcut to the drive when you are on the drive letter in Windows 7. I want to open the drive on the root often enough that I have a short cut on the desktop to which I've assigned a short cut command. You can do the same to a file. I have one or two shortcuts to the exe files of portable programs I want to open conveniently and I've assigned short cut commands to one or two of those exe files.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: David Goldfield
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 7:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Ann, you wrote ..


didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option
in properties,


It most certainly is. Provided that the items are shortcuts you can
assign a hotkey to open any folder or, for that matter, in any file that
you want.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/29/2020 4:29 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Excellent post, didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option in properties, David?

Ann P.


Original message:
Shelly,
Bear in mind that items on your desktop are not always going to be
arranged vertically and so just using up or down arrow won't guarantee
that you'll see all of the available items. Press the home key to move
to the first item and then press right arrow and you may find the other
items.
Pressing the Delete key should allow you to delete **most** items on
your desktop.
I would advise users to not have downloaded items go to your desktop.
You're free to do that, of course, but over time your desktop will
become extremely cluttered and it may become more difficult to locate
the downloaded item you want to find.
To open your downloads folder, press the Windows key to open the start menu.
Begin typing the word "downloads" without the quotes and you will likely
find the Downloads folder in the search results. In fact, the downloads
folder may well be the first item that you hear and, if this is the
case, press enter to open it.
What I do is to have a shortcut to the downloads folder on my desktop
and I also assign a shortcut key, such as control-alt-D, to open it.
That way I still have quick access to that folder without cluttering the
desktop. Let us know if you need the steps to do this and we'll be happy
to help.
Are you using Windows 10?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C9577bbb87cf44a763d6708d84c5a3cdf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637343297728069307&amp;sdata=xLmywm7NwrZFeNJ5mQYP6QNDCny1mNc7lgIJVB2GUFE%3D&amp;reserved=0
On 8/29/2020 4:11 PM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop
open and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can
only see seven. How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I
delete a program from the desktop? One more thing, how do I get to
the download folder? I usually have all of my programs go right to
desktop but someone told me some of them may be in the downloads
folder. Thanks in advance.
Shelly





Re: Question About Desktop

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I have over 60 icons on my desktop.  Gene's method works well.  I also use first letter navigation on occasion just to remember all the programs I have installed that I might have forgotten about.  By this I mean that I press the home key to highlight 'this PC (Windows 10) and then start with the letter A and note the programs I land on until I hear the list repeating and then move to B and C and so on.

On 8/29/2020 5:41 PM, Gene wrote:
It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns.  Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there.  When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list.  Down arrow through all the items you can.  Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column.  But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training.  In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options.  You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out.  Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is.  Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on.   That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly

--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Question About Desktop

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Actually, in Windows 10 the Downloads folder is also located in

c:\users\(name of user)\downloads

as in

c:\users\david\downloads

The item in "This PC" is a shortcut.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/29/2020 4:26 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it?  There will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids' lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like.  So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10, it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at: c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly


Re: Question About Desktop

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Ann, you wrote ..


didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option
in properties,


It most certainly is. Provided that the items are shortcuts you can assign a hotkey to open any folder or, for that matter, in any file that you want.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/29/2020 4:29 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Hi all,

Excellent post, didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option in properties, David?

Ann P.


Original message:
Shelly,
Bear in mind that items on your desktop are not always going to be
arranged vertically and so just using up or down arrow won't guarantee
that you'll see all of the available items. Press the home key to move
to the first item and then press right arrow and you may find the other
items.
Pressing the Delete key should allow you to delete **most** items on
your desktop.
I would advise users to not have downloaded items go to your desktop.
You're free to do that, of course, but over time your desktop will
become extremely cluttered and it may become more difficult to locate
the downloaded item you want to find.
To open your downloads folder, press the Windows key to open the start menu.
Begin typing the word "downloads" without the quotes and you will likely
find the Downloads folder in the search results. In fact, the downloads
folder may well be the first item that you hear and, if this is the
case, press enter to open it.
What I do is to have a shortcut to the downloads folder on my desktop
and I also assign a shortcut key, such as control-alt-D, to open it.
That way I still have quick access to that folder without cluttering the
desktop. Let us know if you need the steps to do this and we'll be happy
to help.
Are you using Windows 10?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.davidgoldfield.org%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C9577bbb87cf44a763d6708d84c5a3cdf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637343297728069307&amp;sdata=xLmywm7NwrZFeNJ5mQYP6QNDCny1mNc7lgIJVB2GUFE%3D&amp;reserved=0
On 8/29/2020 4:11 PM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop
open and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can
only see seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I
delete a program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to
the download folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to
desktop but someone told me some of them may be in the downloads
folder.  Thanks in advance.
Shelly





Re: Question About Desktop

Gene
 

It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns. Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there. When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list. Down arrow through all the items you can. Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column. But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training. In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options. You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out. Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running? It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area. Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows. Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons. You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS. If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'. If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven. How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop? One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder? I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.
Shelly

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Gene
 

That question was just a substitution for an ok button or a find now button and was a consumer device to appear friendly. Its not worth getting angry about, just as its not worth getting angry or annoyed when you call an automated phone system and it pretends to be a person, though the phoniness of it bothers me when it says things like I'll just look that up, as though its an overly friendly person, or it thanks me for calling when it doesn't even know I called or the phony pretense of the system pressing computer keys while its doing something.

These days file find in Windows is more automated but I suspect that is because programming is more sophisticated and because the programmers didn't want the much less powerful computers in the old days to get sluggish or unresponsive by automatically starting a search before you said to start.
I'm not sure Windows is better or worse in offering you to do things or to do them automatically and I'm not sure Windows programs are much different.

Browsers are more automated, they open more file types such as PDF in the browser unless you tell them not to.

It may be that people who use more programs than I do will disagree, but I haven't seen a lot more automation in general in programs or Windows.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:02 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Hi all,

<smiling> Thanks, Brian. Those of us who have been on the net for
ages have learned through hard experience how to treat stuff like this.
Dunnow what your background is, but I've been on the net since I joined
the bulletin board system in 1989. My first computer was a Zenith 151
with 10MB of disk space. No, that's not a typo.

Always best to have control over what your computer does. Windows has
become better about not making arbitrary decisions about what you want
or don't want, but sometimes you have to speak firmly and take action.

I remember becoming absolutely insensed with Win98 one day what I was
searching for a file. The computer put me through a huge dialog which
asked how big the file was, when it was created, what kind it was and
on and on. I finally got to the end of the dialog and the computer
said, "Do you want to find this file now?" I started screaming! When
else would I want the blankity-blank file, next Tuesday? Things have
definitely improved since then.

Have a great day!

Ann P.


Original message:
On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Ann Parsons wrote:

save whatever file it is and run it yourself.
-
Ann, Amen, Amen, AMEN!!!
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: How to make Firefox let me choose to run rather than save a download?

Howard Traxler
 

Right Ann:
Don't let your computer control you, you control your computer.
but before that, just let microsoft tell you how much of your computer they will let you control.

Howard

On 8/29/2020 11:03 AM, Ann Parsons wrote:
Morning all,

I wouldn't change FF's options at all!  It is always, always, always safer to download an executable file rather than to run it.  Some of the little applets for conferencing software like to have you run them rather than save them, but you don't have to do that.  If you download the executable file, you will have a copy of it in case your computer goes south, you can upload the file to Dropbox or wherever you save files.  I don't know what instructions you're reading, but save whatever file it is and run it yourself.  Don't let your computer control you, you control your computer.

Ann P.

P.S., It's always courteous to sign your posts.  It allows people who reply to you to address you by name instead of saying, "Hey you!"



Original message:
Hi,

As I understand it, there are times when a Windows app needs to be run
directly in order to follow online instructions.  I have set firefox to
save, rather than open, an app I want to download, but I don't
understand how to revert to have the option to open it again. With the
latest Windows and Firefox update, how do I reset this option?


Re: Question About Desktop

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Excellent post, didn't know you could assign a hotkey to open a folder, is that option in properties, David?

Ann P.


Original message:

Shelly,
Bear in mind that items on your desktop are not always going to be
arranged vertically and so just using up or down arrow won't guarantee
that you'll see all of the available items. Press the home key to move
to the first item and then press right arrow and you may find the other
items.
Pressing the Delete key should allow you to delete **most** items on
your desktop.
I would advise users to not have downloaded items go to your desktop.
You're free to do that, of course, but over time your desktop will
become extremely cluttered and it may become more difficult to locate
the downloaded item you want to find.
To open your downloads folder, press the Windows key to open the start menu.
Begin typing the word "downloads" without the quotes and you will likely
find the Downloads folder in the search results. In fact, the downloads
folder may well be the first item that you hear and, if this is the
case, press enter to open it.
What I do is to have a shortcut to the downloads folder on my desktop
and I also assign a shortcut key, such as control-alt-D, to open it.
That way I still have quick access to that folder without cluttering the
desktop. Let us know if you need the steps to do this and we'll be happy
to help.
Are you using Windows 10?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 8/29/2020 4:11 PM, Shelly Kane wrote:
Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop
open and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can
only see seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I
delete a program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to
the download folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to
desktop but someone told me some of them may be in the downloads
folder.  Thanks in advance.
Shelly




--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Question About Desktop

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running? It depends on what OS you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor job in this area. Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in columns and rows. Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids' lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like. So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the second column of icons. You can always use first letter navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS. If it's win10, it's in 'this PC'. If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at: c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:

        Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder.  Thanks in
advance.
Shelly

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

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