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Re: looking for a few more VI games please

goshawk on horseback
 

thanks, downloading it now.
 
Simon
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] looking for a few more VI games please

Here is World of Legends on my Dropbox.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:39 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] looking for a few more VI games please

as before, these are some VI games that I am interested in getting hold of, but where download or purchase links don't work any more, so am hoping some of you out there can help me get them, thanks in advance.
scrolling battles
shell shock
the snowball war
World of Legends
Three D velocity, (yes I know this is a pay for one, but as the site for it won't come up and can't be found, have no qualms about requesting it here)
 
can take files via sendspace, dropbox, or skype, if too big to send by e-mail.
 
Simon
 
 


Re: Jaws & Chrome

Flor Lynch
 

Mike,
 
Try Settings, or the nearest equivalent. Then the rest of the steps outlined, i.e., Security, etc. I hope that makes at least some sense. (From a Google search, on the question, “what is a ‘gear cicon’”? it emerges that blind users aren’t the only people who don’t have or see a ‘gear icon’. I occurs in the modern gmail, apparently.)
 

From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 12:00 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws & Chrome
Howdy Y'all,
 
Running Jaws 16 / 17 latest, Chrome, & Windows 7 Pro.  I need to turn something from the PayPal website off but, in the steps it says to click on a, Gear icon.  How do you do this?  The steps to turn the option off are below:
 

To turn this off:

  1. Log into your PayPal account.
  2. Click the gear icon.
  3. Click Security.
  4. Click Edit next to "Stay logged in for faster purchases".
  5. Click Log Out Everywhere
 
Or, is this a totally visual thing?  Thank you all very much.
Take care.
Mike


Re: looking for a few more VI games please

Carlos
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:39 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] looking for a few more VI games please

as before, these are some VI games that I am interested in getting hold of, but where download or purchase links don't work any more, so am hoping some of you out there can help me get them, thanks in advance.
scrolling battles
shell shock
the snowball war
World of Legends
Three D velocity, (yes I know this is a pay for one, but as the site for it won't come up and can't be found, have no qualms about requesting it here)
 
can take files via sendspace, dropbox, or skype, if too big to send by e-mail.
 
Simon
 
 


Re: tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

When I use burning software over the years: Nero, Adaptech, XP Burn and so on, when I number the tracks with double digits: 01 02 03 and so on, and when I then choose sort by name descending, the tracks always come out right. Try that with any or all burning software and see what happens.

On 11/29/2015 5:12 PM, Carlos wrote:
Did you try either of the applications I suggested? They can both copy discs as well.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Giovanelli" <joegio1@earthlink.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order


Hi again,

As it happens, track names were single digits. I renamed each one but the tracks still do not copy in the correct order.

Just tried Express Burn, and, as you'll see if you read my reply to that message, the program does not seem to work. I know it could be pilot error!

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: William Vandervest <timelord09@comcast.net>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:31
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order



I have seen this problem before, if the tracks ar renamed using 2digits
instead of just 1 the sequencing should be corrected



There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See
William and LD Lynerd
timelord09@comcast.net


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looking for a few more VI games please

goshawk on horseback
 

as before, these are some VI games that I am interested in getting hold of, but where download or purchase links don't work any more, so am hoping some of you out there can help me get them, thanks in advance.
scrolling battles
shell shock
the snowball war
World of Legends
Three D velocity, (yes I know this is a pay for one, but as the site for it won't come up and can't be found, have no qualms about requesting it here)
 
can take files via sendspace, dropbox, or skype, if too big to send by e-mail.
 
Simon
 
 


Re: Digital recorders

Bob J
 

There is no way to add more memory and the recording time differs depending on your selection of sound quality. I only know of one size of the Wilson so, if there is more than one size, I don't know which I have.

I suspect that all of your questions could be answered with a google search.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Digital recorders


How much storage does it have and will it take a SD card?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob J [mailto:rjustice004@woh.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:40 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Digital recorders

Matt,

I don't know the exact size of the Wilson but, you could probably put two of
them in your shirt pocket.

BTW, the Wilson is usually available for order through your Amazon account.

hth

Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Digital recorders


Well, have heard about this voice recorder but never had a description of
it
like this. Sounds like a very nice note taking recorder . I might look at
getting one . What size is this thing?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob J [mailto:rjustice004@woh.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 9:21 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Digital recorders

Margaret,

I have a Wilson. It has an on/off slide switch with three positions:
off/hifi/not so hifi. It has a small button used to adjust the playback
volume in multiple steps.

There are three large buttons on the face of the Wilson. The one on the
left is the record button. The button also acts as a pause/resume button
when recording.

The center button is the playback button. This button also acts as the
stop
button to terminate a recording session. Recorded notes can only be
accessed sequentially. The center button also acts as a pause/resume
button
while listening to any note.

When seeking a particular recorded note, pressing the center button twice
quickly will jump to the end of the note being played.

Previously recorded notes cannot be edited on the Wilson.

The button on the right is used to delete existing notes. Press this
button
twice quickly to delete the currently playing note.

The only voice on the Wilson is your recorded voice.

I believe the output jack for the earpiece is the size typical for modern
headphones.

hth

Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: "Margaret Thomas" <iluvtoread@cox.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Digital recorders


Shirley and All:

Thanks for the suggestion. So far, from Maxi-Aids, I've found


"The Wilson Digital Voice Recorder
Record & Play up to 12 Hours of Messages on the Go

List Price: $49.95
Our Price: $39.95

. Record and play back multiple messages

Add, delete and download messages to your PC Clips to belts, purses
and car visors

Includes clip, USB cable & ear piece

Uses 2 AAA batteries (not included)


Does anyone know if this talks? What size is the jack? I may like to
substitute earphones for the ear piece. Does anyone have a Wilson
Digital Voice Recorder and can comment on how accessible it it is?

Thanks,

Margaret



On 11/27/2015 9:26 AM, Many of us wrote:
You can get a note recorder, rather than the complete digital recorder.
Its cheaper. You cant do as much with just the note recorder, but it
will work if you want just to record notes or small items. If your
in the UK the RNIB sells them for 39 pounds.
shirley
Shirley
----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Thomas"
<iluvtoread@cox.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Digital recorders


I'm also interested in this thread. I'm primarily interested in
making reminders, adding items to a list when the original note has
been made, inserting an appointment in the correct place also once
the original note has been recorded. I'm currently using my
original version Victor Reader Stream and can make quick notes, but
the notes function doesn't seem to do exactly what I want.

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

Margaret


On 11/27/2015 8:46 AM, Many of us wrote:
Does anyone have the olympus digital recorder?
do you like it? Is it worth buying?
shirley


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Jaws & Chrome

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 

Howdy Y'all,
 
Running Jaws 16 / 17 latest, Chrome, & Windows 7 Pro.  I need to turn something from the PayPal website off but, in the steps it says to click on a, Gear icon.  How do you do this?  The steps to turn the option off are below:
 

To turn this off:

  1. Log into your PayPal account.
  2. Click the gear icon.
  3. Click Security.
  4. Click Edit next to "Stay logged in for faster purchases".
  5. Click Log Out Everywhere
 
Or, is this a totally visual thing?  Thank you all very much.
Take care.
Mike


Re: NVDA

Carlos
 

No, a trial won't usually reset it's expiration, but it will often resume
where it left off.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Just usually if you uninstall a demo with a time line it will not reset
itself. At least in my experience.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:19 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Why is it unusual? Many demo applications use this type of model.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hmm, that is unusual . So if this is the case I would go back to what I said
in an early email.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The demo lasts 7 days and apparently according to the web page, you can
uninstall and reinstall and the software phones home so it will know the
original time of installation and start counting down from that day/time.


On 11/29/2015 1:07 PM, Matt wrote:
So it is demo ? I did not see that to start with. How long is the demo
good for and so on . Usually a demo if you uninstall it especially one
with a time line that will run out if you uninstall it will not reinstall.
Also if it was a demo you might only get a sample of one of the voices
not both. II did not know they was going to give a demo of it out
first. I thought you just had to buy it?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:29 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi Matt, Carlos and Others,

I downloaded the Code Factory for NVDA package for Eloquence and
Vocalizer. I am currently running it in demo mode. When I first
installed it, I saw only the Code Factory Vocalizer for NVDA under
synthesizers. I did not see any reference to Eloquence. I
reinstalled the add on but still nothing. Then when I restarted the
system---thinking this might solve the problem--now I don't even see
the Code Factory vocalizer reference under synthesizers. The add on
manager for NVDA tells me the add on is installed and running.

What is going on and how can it be remedied?


On 11/29/2015 7:23 AM, Matt wrote:
Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for
illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your
very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a
company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if
problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's
say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for
a semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to
pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the
moment I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence
themselves in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos
<carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a
screen reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own,
while Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it
might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now
I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the
money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the one
they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck
screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually
commercial grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on
companies you call and get the automative things and the one you get
that comes in cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are
very nice and responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t
see any of us paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a
computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version
of Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then
you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot
use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t
allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from
dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like
you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with
JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision
in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen
readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it
really not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See
link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being
and am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to
the frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid
so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is
free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in
synthesizer to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing
impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I
am looking for a good option that is very clear to understand –
preferably free? Some of the other free options readily available
are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe


















Re: really thinking about just switching to W10 all together.

Carlos
 

Yes, the procedure you describe should work.  Delete the Windows 10 partition, extend the Windows 7 partition, and then perform an upgrade to 10 over the 7 installation.

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:11 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] really thinking about just switching to W10 all together.

So my question is the W10 partition that I made with w10 on it . How can I go about deleting it and then putting W10 on the drive that has W7 on it? The biggest thing is delete ting the W10 partition and then adding that back to my W7 partition so I don’t lose all that space.  I assume I can just wipe the w10 drive clean from within W7 and then Delete the partition and then in W7 just expand the partition? To the amount that W10 was on? Then just run W10 over my W7 OS having it to save all my settings and stuff?  Or will I need to reinstall say like jaws and outlook and other programs?

 

 

Matt.from.florida@...

 


Re: NVDA

Matt
 

Just usually if you uninstall a demo with a time line it will not reset itself. At least in my experience.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 5:19 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Why is it unusual? Many demo applications use this type of model.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hmm, that is unusual . So if this is the case I would go back to what I said in an early email.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The demo lasts 7 days and apparently according to the web page, you can uninstall and reinstall and the software phones home so it will know the original time of installation and start counting down from that day/time.


On 11/29/2015 1:07 PM, Matt wrote:
So it is demo ? I did not see that to start with. How long is the demo
good for and so on . Usually a demo if you uninstall it especially one
with a time line that will run out if you uninstall it will not reinstall.
Also if it was a demo you might only get a sample of one of the voices
not both. II did not know they was going to give a demo of it out
first. I thought you just had to buy it?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:29 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi Matt, Carlos and Others,

I downloaded the Code Factory for NVDA package for Eloquence and
Vocalizer. I am currently running it in demo mode. When I first
installed it, I saw only the Code Factory Vocalizer for NVDA under
synthesizers. I did not see any reference to Eloquence. I
reinstalled the add on but still nothing. Then when I restarted the
system---thinking this might solve the problem--now I don't even see
the Code Factory vocalizer reference under synthesizers. The add on
manager for NVDA tells me the add on is installed and running.

What is going on and how can it be remedied?


On 11/29/2015 7:23 AM, Matt wrote:
Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for
illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your
very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a
company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if
problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's
say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for
a semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to
pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the
moment I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence
themselves in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos
<carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a
screen reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own,
while Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it
might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now
I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the
money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the one
they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck
screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually
commercial grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on
companies you call and get the automative things and the one you get
that comes in cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are
very nice and responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t
see any of us paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a
computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version
of Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then
you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot
use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t
allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from
dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like
you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with
JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision
in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen
readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it
really not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See
link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being
and am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to
the frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid
so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is
free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in
synthesizer to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing
impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I
am looking for a good option that is very clear to understand –
preferably free? Some of the other free options readily available
are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe


















Re: NVDA

Carlos
 

Why is it unusual? Many demo applications use this type of model.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt" <matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hmm, that is unusual . So if this is the case I would go back to what I said
in an early email.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The demo lasts 7 days and apparently according to the web page, you can
uninstall and reinstall and the software phones home so it will know the
original time of installation and start counting down from that day/time.


On 11/29/2015 1:07 PM, Matt wrote:
So it is demo ? I did not see that to start with. How long is the demo
good for and so on . Usually a demo if you uninstall it especially one
with a time line that will run out if you uninstall it will not reinstall.
Also if it was a demo you might only get a sample of one of the voices not
both. II did not know they was going to give a demo of it out first. I
thought you just had to buy it?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:29 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi Matt, Carlos and Others,

I downloaded the Code Factory for NVDA package for Eloquence and
Vocalizer. I am currently running it in demo mode. When I first
installed it, I saw only the Code Factory Vocalizer for NVDA under
synthesizers. I did not see any reference to Eloquence. I reinstalled
the add on but still nothing. Then when I restarted the system---thinking
this might solve the problem--now I don't even see the Code Factory
vocalizer reference under synthesizers. The add on manager for NVDA tells
me the add on is installed and running.

What is going on and how can it be remedied?


On 11/29/2015 7:23 AM, Matt wrote:
Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for illegal
use of their product and also you will be supporting your very nice free
screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company
with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or
incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say
unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for
a semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to
pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the
moment I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence
themselves in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a
screen reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own,
while Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it
might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now
I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the
money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the one
they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck
screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually
commercial grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on
companies you call and get the automative things and the one you get
that comes in cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are
very nice and responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t
see any of us paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a
computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version
of Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then
you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot
use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t
allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from
dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like
you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with
JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision
in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen
readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it
really not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link
to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being
and am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to
the frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid
so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is
free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in
synthesizer to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing
impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I
am looking for a good option that is very clear to understand –
preferably free? Some of the other free options readily available are
not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe


















Re: tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

Walter Ramage
 

Hi. OK, let's see! 1. Place the disc you want copied in the disc drive. 2
launch Express Burn. 3. Do as you have done before and be sure you have
checked The audio Disc option then tab to "Create." 4. Now press the alt key
and then arrow right once and then arrow down, or up until you hear "copy
Disc." and press enter. From this point you follow the prompts. I'm
heading for bed now so I can't take you through the whole process but if you
have trouble then let me know and I'll do that for you tomorrow, make sure
you have the blank disc handy because when Express Burn has taken an image
of the disc you want copied it will spit it out and ask you to replace it
with a blank disc and proceed to burn it. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli [mailto:joegio1@earthlink.net]
Sent: 29 November 2015 21:41
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

Hi, Walter,

Thanks for the suggestion. Express Rip does what it says it does: rip tracks
from cds. I guess Express Burn is supposed to do what you said.

There is no help nor any other menus. When run, I am asked to select the
kind of disk I wish to burn. I choose Audio CD.

After that choice, I tab till I hear "Create." I already had the disk to be
copied in the drive. I do not hear the disk spin up.

Tabbing further, there's a box which tells me to copy cd. Right below it is
a group of radio buttons about normalization. The first shows this as
disabled, which is what I want. Others show what I guess are progressively
greater normalization amounts.
I try either the spacebar or enter. Nothing happens.

When I select Burn Cd, I'm told there are no files in the list.

What am I missing?

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Ramage <wpr@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:04
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order



Hi. One suggestion would be to use Express burn. This programme has an
option to clone the disc. You put the original disc in the PC then
Express
burn takes an image of the disc, it spits it out and asks you to insert a
blank disc and it will burn it. There is another programme that does that
also but I just can't remember which programme it is but Express burn is a
good programme. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli [mailto:joegio1@earthlink.net]
Sent: 29 November 2015 15:52
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

hello Everybody,

I have used Easy CD-DA Extracter for a long time. I never had a problem.

In this case, I had to copy a cd, which is close to 80 minutes long. I put
all the files into a folder just the way I always do it. The tracks are in
the right order. The tracks on the finished disk are not.

It could be that the length of the disk is greater than the standard 74
minute disk length. I don't know.

Bottom line! How can I copy the disk with all tracks in their right order?

Joe Giovanelli





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Re: tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

Carlos
 

Did you try either of the applications I suggested? They can both copy discs as well.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Giovanelli" <joegio1@earthlink.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order


Hi again,

As it happens, track names were single digits. I renamed each one but the tracks still do not copy in the correct order.

Just tried Express Burn, and, as you'll see if you read my reply to that message, the program does not seem to work. I know it could be pilot error!

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: William Vandervest <timelord09@comcast.net>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:31
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order



I have seen this problem before, if the tracks ar renamed using 2digits
instead of just 1 the sequencing should be corrected



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Re: tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hi again,

As it happens, track names were single digits. I renamed each one but the tracks still do not copy in the correct order.

Just tried Express Burn, and, as you'll see if you read my reply to that message, the program does not seem to work. I know it could be pilot error!

Joe G.

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To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 11:31
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order



I have seen this problem before, if the tracks ar renamed using 2digits
instead of just 1 the sequencing should be corrected



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Re: tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

Joe Giovanelli
 

Hi, Walter,

Thanks for the suggestion. Express Rip does what it says it does: rip tracks from cds. I guess Express Burn is supposed to do what you said.

There is no help nor any other menus. When run, I am asked to select the kind of disk I wish to burn. I choose Audio CD.

After that choice, I tab till I hear "Create." I already had the disk to be copied in the drive. I do not hear the disk spin up.

Tabbing further, there's a box which tells me to copy cd. Right below it is a group of radio buttons about normalization. The first shows this as disabled, which is what I want. Others show what I guess are progressively greater normalization amounts.
I try either the spacebar or enter. Nothing happens.

When I select Burn Cd, I'm told there are no files in the list.

What am I missing?

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Ramage <wpr@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:04
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order



Hi. One suggestion would be to use Express burn. This programme has an
option to clone the disc. You put the original disc in the PC then Express
burn takes an image of the disc, it spits it out and asks you to insert a
blank disc and it will burn it. There is another programme that does that
also but I just can't remember which programme it is but Express burn is a
good programme. Walter.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli [mailto:joegio1@earthlink.net]
Sent: 29 November 2015 15:52
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] tracks on a cd are in the wrong order

hello Everybody,

I have used Easy CD-DA Extracter for a long time. I never had a problem.

In this case, I had to copy a cd, which is close to 80 minutes long. I put
all the files into a folder just the way I always do it. The tracks are in
the right order. The tracks on the finished disk are not.

It could be that the length of the disk is greater than the standard 74
minute disk length. I don't know.

Bottom line! How can I copy the disk with all tracks in their right order?

Joe Giovanelli





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the Wilson digital recorder

Bill K <billmeister@...>
 

Hi Margaret,
You said . .Could I ask if the Wilson seemed to best meet your needs and you found it wasn't all that you had hoped and found something better?
Actually, I bought a dm-620, but it's not completely what I want either, as i can't easily access notes when I'm in a grocery store, but if you can get by without appending to the notes that you made, then the Wilson will do the job.
You will be able to find your original note, and then you can put something which relates to that to that note right behind it, so that's really handy. so iif you're not being able to go backward in your notes isn't a problem with you, then by all means, buy the wilson. Just remember that you should check out your battery fairly often, as it can go out on you at the durndest of times.
One question, can you see a little? If you can, then the wilson has a small LED light on it which will let you know that it's recording ok.
I hope that that's helpful, but if you need any more info, be sure to let me know. I'd be interested in what unit you decide to buy.
Bill K.


Re: NVDA

Matt
 

Hmm, that is unusual . So if this is the case I would go back to what I said in an early email.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 3:36 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The demo lasts 7 days and apparently according to the web page, you can uninstall and reinstall and the software phones home so it will know the original time of installation and start counting down from that day/time.


On 11/29/2015 1:07 PM, Matt wrote:
So it is demo ? I did not see that to start with. How long is the demo good for and so on . Usually a demo if you uninstall it especially one with a time line that will run out if you uninstall it will not reinstall. Also if it was a demo you might only get a sample of one of the voices not both. II did not know they was going to give a demo of it out first. I thought you just had to buy it?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:29 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi Matt, Carlos and Others,

I downloaded the Code Factory for NVDA package for Eloquence and Vocalizer. I am currently running it in demo mode. When I first installed it, I saw only the Code Factory Vocalizer for NVDA under synthesizers. I did not see any reference to Eloquence. I reinstalled the add on but still nothing. Then when I restarted the system---thinking this might solve the problem--now I don't even see the Code Factory vocalizer reference under synthesizers. The add on manager for NVDA tells me the add on is installed and running.

What is going on and how can it be remedied?


On 11/29/2015 7:23 AM, Matt wrote:
Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for
a semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to
pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the
moment I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence
themselves in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a
screen reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own,
while Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it
might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now
I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the
money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the one
they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck
screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually
commercial grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on
companies you call and get the automative things and the one you get
that comes in cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are
very nice and responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t
see any of us paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version
of Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then
you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot
use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t
allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from
dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like
you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with
JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision
in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it
really not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being
and am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to
the frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid
so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is
free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in
synthesizer to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing
impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I
am looking for a good option that is very clear to understand –
preferably free? Some of the other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe


















Re: NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

The demo lasts 7 days and apparently according to the web page, you can
uninstall and reinstall and the software phones home so it will know the
original time of installation and start counting down from that day/time.

On 11/29/2015 1:07 PM, Matt wrote:
So it is demo ? I did not see that to start with. How long is the demo good for and so on . Usually a demo if you uninstall it especially one with a time line that will run out if you uninstall it will not reinstall. Also if it was a demo you might only get a sample of one of the voices not both. II did not know they was going to give a demo of it out first. I thought you just had to buy it?


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi [mailto:aa2vm@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:29 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi Matt, Carlos and Others,

I downloaded the Code Factory for NVDA package for Eloquence and Vocalizer. I am currently running it in demo mode. When I first installed it, I saw only the Code Factory Vocalizer for NVDA under synthesizers. I did not see any reference to Eloquence. I reinstalled the add on but still nothing. Then when I restarted the system---thinking this might solve the problem--now I don't even see the Code Factory vocalizer reference under synthesizers. The add on manager for NVDA tells me the add on is installed and running.

What is going on and how can it be remedied?


On 11/29/2015 7:23 AM, Matt wrote:
Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well let's say unauthorized version that is circulating around the Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for a
semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the original
developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don’t think no one would be willing to
pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the moment
I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ∫they made eloquence themselves
in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a screen
reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own, while
Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don’t know I assume yes but it
might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it. Now
I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have the
money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the one
they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck
screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually commercial
grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on companies you
call and get the automative things and the one you get that comes in
cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they are very nice and
responsive but you pay for what you get and I don’t see any of us
paying that kind of money to read to us what is on a computer screen. JMT!

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version of
Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then
you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you cannot
use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don’t know that Freedom Scientific don’t
allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from
dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don’t allow license like you
sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with
JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision
in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question…

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it really
not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being and
am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links to the
frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid
so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes is
free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in
synthesizer to be difficult to understand – with a moderate hearing
impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently available, I
am looking for a good option that is very clear to understand –
preferably free? Some of the other free options readily available are not adequate.

Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe

















Re: windows & office?

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Yes, it is still ongoing. Just go to
www.windoweyesforoffice.com

On 29 Nov 2015, at 20:33, Billy Inglis <william.inglis72@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys, Wondering if the offer of a free version of window eyes is still going if you have a version of Microsoft office on your system?, and if so, could some kind person, give me Instructions in how to get this offer please?, Billy


Re: NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Yeah as I said many times before, you've got to be really, really rich to cheat openly and get away with it!

On 11/29/2015 12:50 PM, Matt wrote:
In case of the old open book but I sure there is not a lot of people that
been caught or even if caught might have done anything about it. But does
this make it any less Wrong?! I would say no! Would it make it any more
legal because you have not got caught stealing yet? No! Will you or could
you one day get bit ?Yes! I go back to what is Wrong and what is right and
Stealing is stealing no matter where it is.
I usually find that people that think doing something just because they can
get away with it is usually a person you better not trust as far as you can
see them in our case and in visual case as far as you can throw them.
This is exactly why people need to be very careful when giving there info
out on the list. I see people with their phone numbers and all kind of stuff
out on the list. I even seen people ask for help and give out personal info
like their Apple ID and password and even birth dates and so on. My point
there seems to be some on the list that does not know right from wrong and
thinks that if they can get away with it is ok! JMO!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:48 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Well since the copy of Eloquence for the illegal add-on was retrieved from a
JAWS installation, I suspect it would be Freedom Scientific who would be
prosecuting.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Get real. Has anyone ever been prosecuted for using an illegal add-on?
Precisely who is going to prosecute them? The Cyber Police? Or maybe
the Keystone Kops? To be perfectly blunt, if the Eloquence add-on is
illegal, then the developers of NVDA have an obligation to prevent it
from working in the first place, or at least posting a warning that
the use of this add-on is illegal. There are probably a few NVDA users
who may not even be aware that the Eloquence add-onis illegal.

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Lenron
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:19 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

if you are smart you use it and don't let a bunch of people know
that's what you are using. Because if someone decided to tell on you
you could have trouble.

On 11/29/15, rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I'm just curious. What can one do if someone uses an illegal for
personal use?

----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos <carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Date: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:47 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


I think you basically have to use common sense. Look at the source
of the add-on, read associated documentation, and so on. Also, if
it is listed on the official NVDA add-ons page,
http://addons.nvda-project.org/index.en.html
then the chances are pretty good that it is legal.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited@verizon.net>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA



So how can you determine whether an NVDA add-on is legal or not?
Apparently, the Eloquence add-on is illegal, but what about other
add-ons?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 7:23 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Yes and you don't have to worry about someone coming at you for
illegal use of their product and also you will be supporting your
very nice free screen reader.


Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:17 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

The other point being that since it is legal and being sold by a
company with a good support base, it is more likely to be updated if
problems or incompatibilities arise with newer versions of NVDA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Canazzi" <aa2vm@roadrunner.com>
To: <TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hi Carlos,

I wonder if the Code Factory version works better than the well
let's say unauthorized version that is circulating around the
Internet.


On 11/28/2015 8:48 PM, Carlos wrote:
Interesting, it seems that Code Factory now has an add-on based
version of Eloquence for NVDA as opposed to the SAPI version.
http://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
I was not aware of this point, but it is good news.
----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Well Code Factory seems to be authorized to sell Eloquence for
a semi-reasonable price so it doesn't really matter who the
original developer was.
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Yep me either use to know it would take some googling for the
commercial grade of it. But don't think no one would be willing to
pay the price for it on this list. I know I would not!



Matt.from.florida@gmail.com


From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:26 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


No, Freedom Scientific did not create Eloquence. At the
moment I can't remember the name of the company who did.

----- Original Message -----

From: rajmund

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:23 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Hello,

I know no longer, but haven't ?they made eloquence
themselves in the first place?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors.


On 29 Nov 2015, at 1:18 a.m., Carlos
<carlos1106@nyc.rr.com>
wrote:

You mean synthesizer, not screen reader. JAWS is a
screen reader which Freedom Scientific most certainly does own,
while Eloquence is a speech synthesizer which they do not.

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:14 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA


Correct FS does not own any of it screen readers as the
company that makes them. They only buy the right to use the screen
readers with their products only. It is out there and you can buy it .
Is it the same one that FS uses I don't know I assume yes but it
might not be the one they use might be a commercial grade of it.
Now I sure you could also buy the right to it as well if you have
the money to do that and you find out what company puts it out the
one they use. But understand it will not be a
70 bucks screen reader . I sure it will be more like a 700 buck
screen reader and that would be with just one app. Usually
commercial grade synthizerscost lots of money one like you hear on
companies you call and get the automative things and the one you
get that comes in cars and so forth. They are not cheap. Yes they
are very nice and responsive but you pay for what you get and I
don't see any of us paying that kind of money to read to us what is on
a computer screen.
JMT!

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:21 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As was already mentioned, you can buy the SAPI version
of Eloquence separately. However, Freedom Scientific does not own
Eloquence and their license only covers use with JAWS, not other
screen readers. If you purchase the SAPI version separately, then
you can use it with what ever screen reader you like, but you
cannot use the copy included with JAWS legally with other screen
readers.
----- Original Message -----

From: abdulah aga

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 6:10 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Hi

Carlos I don't know that Freedom Scientific don't
allow use Eloquence for other screen reader user,

I have one friend in Europe he bye Eloquence from
dealer for
75 euro.

Now if Freedom Scientific don't allow license like
you sad,

then how this guy could bye Eloquence?.

thanks Abdulah Hasic.

From: Joe Foster

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 4:45 PM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

Thanks Carlos. Case closed. Guess I will stick with
JAWS until there are more options.

Joe

From: Carlos [mailto:carlos1106@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:35 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

As far as I know, Freedom Scientific has no provision
in their license for allowing Eloquence to be used with other
screen readers.

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Foster

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

One more question...

Since I own Eloquent with JAWS, can I not get an
upgrade, etc. to use it with NDVA at a more reasonable cost??

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 5:12 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

You can buy that screen reader if you want it
really not that bad of a deal. For that kind of screen reader. See
link to it below.


http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php"main_page=index&cPath=20

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 5:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

I am sticking with Windows 07 for the time being
and am presently using JAWS. As mentione,in the immediate links
to the frre alternative none matched Eloquent in clarity.

Joe

From: Matt [mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com]
Sent: 2015-Nov-28 4:58 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] NVDA

There is other voices you can get for free and paid
so I would think this would be the route to go. Also Windows Eyes
is free if you have office 2010 and above. But I think NVDA is better.

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com

From: Joe Foster [mailto:joe01foster@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 3:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] NVDA

I tried this program but found the built-in
synthesizer to be difficult to understand - with a moderate
hearing impairment. I tested Outlook but as it is not presently
available, I am looking for a good option that is very clear to
understand - preferably free? Some of the other free options readily
available are not adequate.
Suggestions?

Thanks, Joe


















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