there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it. When
you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press
enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and
press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any
time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens,
you will be in the web page with one exception. If you have set a
blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address
bar. Most people don't use a blank page. If you do , let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant. Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up? I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there. If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me. Am I hearing thatany new browser
I set up will have all that extra stuff by default? Is there no way
to get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to
as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page?
If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of
thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads.
Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page,
you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or
top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me
just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will
help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in
addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there
was no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or
anything like that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I
think I will see about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with
win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy

there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it. When you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens, you will be in the web page with one exception. If you have set a blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address bar. Most people don't use a blank page. If you do , let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant. Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up? I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there. If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me. Am I hearing thatany new browser I
set up will have all that extra stuff by default? Is there no way to
get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page? If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads. Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy

there may be ways to get rid of some of it but not all of it.  When you open a browser, type control l and type an address and press enter, or use a bookmark or use control k, type a search string and press enter. or follow a link that opens another page, in short, any time you do something that opens a page or when your home page opens, you will be in the web page with one exception.  If you have set a blank page as your home page, you will be, I believe, on the address bar.  Most people don't use a blank page.  If you do , let us know.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2020 12:29 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Gene, I think you have interpreted what I meant.  Do all the things

you mentioned have to sho up?  I really only want to look for answers
or see what's out there.  If I find something I want to keep, I simply
link to it and then put it in the Misc folder on my Desktop.

My simple system works well for me.  Am I hearing thatany new browser I
set up will have all that extra stuff by default?  Is there no way to
get rid of all that extra stuff?

Thanks,
Nancy

8/31/2020 7:46 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page?  If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads.  Use f6 if you are to return to the page.  Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it.  When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous  'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that.  I hope I can find another browser like that.  I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy

I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry.  I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry.  When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question.  That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.

I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.

Thanks to all!

Nancy

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:

What do you mean by invisible?

-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns. Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there. When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list. Down arrow through all the items you can. Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column. But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training. In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options. You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out. Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running? It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area. Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows. Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons. You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS. If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'. If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:

Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven. How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop? One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder? I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.

Shelly

Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page? If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads. Use f6 if you are to return to the page. Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it. When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous 'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that. I hope I can find another browser like that. I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy

It’s a good idea to provide a systeematic way of doing things in such cases. To illustrate in this case, as was said, the desktop is a list view in columns.  Let's say you want to move through every item on the desktop to see what is there.  When on the desktop, press home to move you to the top of the list at the left, the very beginning of the list.  Down arrow through all the items you can.  Then press home again to move to the top of the list, right arrow once, then down arrow through all the things in the second column. Again, use home, then right arrow two times, which will place you on the third column.

When you get to the last column and are down arrowing, you will either jump back to things you heard in the previous column at some point, or if the final column is full, you will stop at the bottom and still be in that column.  But the desktop, if the final column isn't full, automatically moves you into the column to the left of where you are if you down arrow past the last item in that column and you aren't at the bottom of the column, in other words, if part of that column is not yet filled.

the concept of movement following form isn't taught well, if at all, in training.  In other wordss, even though you can't see if a tool bar has items from left to right or up and down, if you can't move through the items by up or down arrowing but you can move through them with the left and right arrows, those aren't just meaningless arbitrary movement options.  You move as the form of what you are moving through is laid out.  Knowing this helps you understand how things are laid out and may help you brealize that if you can't move one way, try another.

It may also help you understand what you are doing when you look at something using screen review, keeping in mind that movement follows form.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Question About Desktop

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS
you're running as to where the downloads folder is.  Before I explain
how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put
files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor
job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in
columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures
and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it? There
will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids'
lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing
of Spot the Dog and so on.   That's what your desktop looks like. So,
if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the
second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation
too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10,
it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at:
c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:

         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.

Shelly

Hi all,

Shelly, what operating system are you running?   It depends on what OS you're running as to where the downloads folder is. Before I explain how to find your downloads folder, which is where all programs put files unless you tell them differently, I want to explain your desktop to you.

Don't know where you got your training, but whomever it was did a poor job in this area.  Your desktop is a list view, but it is displayed in columns and rows.  Have you ever seen a bulletin board with pictures and announcements and so on placed in columns and rows on it?  There will be a picture, and below that will be the menu for the kids' lunches at school, to the right of the picture will be Martha's drawing of Spot the Dog and so on. That's what your desktop looks like.  So, if you want to see items 8-14, use your right arrow key to move to the second column of icons.  You can always use first letter navigation too, which is sometimes more efficient.

As for the downloads folder, that depends on the OS.  If it's win10, it's in 'this PC'.  If it's Win7, look in 'computer' at: c:\users\name\downloads\.

Ann P.


Original message:

         Hi Everyone:

I was wondering if anyone can tell me that when I have the desktop open
and I can see all of my programs, I have 11 in there but I can only see
seven.  How do I get Jaws to read the others? Also, how do I delete a
program from the desktop?  One more thing, how do I get to the download
folder?  I usually have all of my programs go right to desktop but
someone told me some of them may be in the downloads folder. Thanks in
advance.

Shelly

Not to mention that all modern browsers use what they tried to get the world to call the omnibox, which is what most of us still call the address box because that's mostly what we're used to entering in it.  But I don't know of a single browser these days where the address box/omnibox is not a combination web search box and address box.  If you type something like "largest cranberry harvest" and hit enter, the search engine you've chosen as your default will run that search and present the results to you then and there.

What each uses as the default search engine is different, but they all allow you to set up a search engine of your choosing in the settings.  You can be certain that Chrome has Google as its default search engine and that Edge has Bing.

And ALT+D will throw focus to the address box/omnibox in all of them, and if something already happens to be there, it will be selected, so you can just start typing to replace it if you're done with whatever you had been looking at, be it a web page or prior search results.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

Are you talking about tool bars or other structures you can move to as you tab around the program window that are outside of the page?  If so, and I'm still not sure what you are referring to, that sort of thing is standard today.

I'm not sure how or if you are moving out of the page after it loads.  Use f6 if you are to return to the page.  Once you are in the page, you won't leave it unless you tab or shift tab beyond the bottom or top of it.  When you load a page, you should always be in the page.

I don't know if these comments will help because it isn't clear to me just what you are seeing but they may.

Without more information, I doubt that trying different browsers will help, as I said, having various tool bars and structures on screen in addition to the web page is standard these days.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nancy Hill
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 6:36 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] switching browsers

Guys, Thanks for the tips on the browser.


By invisible, I mean that when I looked up something with IE, there was
no extraneous  'things' such as places to put favorites or anything like
that.  I hope I can find another browser like that.  I think I will see
about starting out with brave or the new edge.


After all, I did get used to win 10 even though I was very happy with win7.


Thank you for being there for me.


Nancy

I am not good at explaining...When I go to google to look something up, IE puts me right where I need to enter my inquiry.  I do not see any mention of IE...just the place where I neeed to ask my inquiry.  When I have tried to use edge, there seems to be more 'things' involved than just landingt on the place I need to ask my question.  That total simplicity is what I am looking for in a new browser.

I am using an updated win10 and one of the latest jaws.

Thanks to all!

Nancy

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:

What do you mean by invisible?

-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:50 AM, chris judge wrote:

What do you mean by invisible?

-
I share this question.  Without a definition of what this means, in practice, it's really impossible to help much.

And, like so much in Windows, and in this case in browsers, ALT+D throws focus straight to the web address edit box and selects what's already there, so if you wish to overtype on a tab/page already open to go somewhere else you can.  It works in every modern browser I'm aware of and I just tested it in Firefox, Edge, Chrome, and Brave and it has this behavior in all of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Burnham" <troyburnham34@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 7:41 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] computer speaker recommendations please


Hi all,

I seem to be getting a short in the computer speakers I'm using now and
so I need to replace them, does anybody have recommendations on a set of
reasonably priced speakers? Btw I rarely if ever listen to music on the
computer so I don't need anything with a lot of base or anything, just
something that sounds good with jaws. I would like what I get to be a
pair of speakers, but they can be USB, bluetooth, or they can just plug
in via the earphone jack.

Thanks.

Troy