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Re: Turning Off Office Clipboard

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know but usually such symbols have words associated with them in menus or ribbons.
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Gene, you are correct.  But you are correct because you say "usually."

I can tell you, without question, this is an exception, and they do exist.  There truly are times when there is no substitute for vision, and when a single symbol in a given complex system is reused, again and again, for different functions there will be no "set words" that will be reliably associated with same.  This is one of those cases.
 
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Re: Turning Off Office Clipboard

Gene
 

I don't know but usually such symbols have words associated with them in menus or ribbons. You often see instructions to click the gear icon in menus and that is the icon for what our screen-reader says is tools, that is the tools menu. I think sighted people see the worrd tools so I don't know why the description of the gear icon is preferred. Others may be able to explain such matters. So in this case, I don't know what you will find but you will probably find something that has words that most likely match what you are trying to do. Why that icon is used is something I don't know. Maybe someone will. Screen-readers often say question mark at a help menu but that is clearly not what is meant here. Perhaps it implies a question like what do you want to do.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 8:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Turning Off Office Clipboard


Yes, I know how to access the menues, but I'm only asking about the use of the, ↘ symbol. I've never read this in a step before and I wonder what they mean by this symbol. I understand it does contain the word, arrow, in there, but what's this, southeast, lingo supposed to mean? LOL

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Turning Off Office Clipboard


I don't know if this applies to your version of Word. In Word Starter 2010, in the clipboard group, I have a button that says something like show clipboard task pane. If I press the space bar on that button, I am placed on the options button. I press the space bar and a menu opens up. It doesn't have a disable option but it does have settings that affect how you make it come up and whether it is displayed. If I no longer want to have the item displayed, I once again find the button in the ribbon and even though it still says show, I press the space bar again and the item is no longer shown.


On 9/16/2020 8:24 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,

My question has to do with step #3 in the steps below where it says to, Click the ↘ symbol. How do you determine what a ↘ symbol is using a screenreading program? I know how to access the menues, but this is the first time I've ever read steps whether for sighted or blind that used this kind of lingo! What are we supposed to do, turn on our braille compass app? LOL LOL


How to disable office clipboard
list of 5 items
1. Open Word or Excel.
2. Create a new document or spreadsheet.
3. Click the ↘ symbol at the Clipboard group on the Home tab.
4. Click the Options button at the bottom.
5. Uncheck all items.
list end
Clipboard

Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers!


Re: Turning Off Office Clipboard

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I should have corrected my first sentence in my last message to read, "part and parcel of most control groupings," rather than "all control groupings."  There are more that have them as the last control than don't.
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Re: Turning Off Office Clipboard

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Mike,

            Again, there is no real way to describe this other than visually, as that tiny arrow that points downward and to the right is part and parcel of every control group in a ribbon.  In the case of the Clipboard Grouping, the actual shortcut you want to use is ALT+H, FO  (Home Ribbon, Office Clipboard - See all the items you've copied to the clipboard).  You can think of that downward right pointing arrow at the end of each control grouping as being it's equivalent of an advanced pop-out menu.  You will land on it if you tab through any given control grouping and it will always be the thing you land on immediately prior to entering whatever the next grouping happens to be.

             In the case of the Clipboard grouping, that is just before you pass into the Font grouping.  For the Font grouping it's just before you pass into the Paragraph grouping.  In the Paragraph Grouping it's just before you pass into the Styles grouping.  In the styles grouping it's just before you enter into the Editing grouping.  The Editing grouping actually doesn't have one of these.  

             Not every grouping has one of these, and which groupings do varies by program.  For instance, in Excel the Clipboard, Font, Alignment, and Number groupings all have one of these "pop-out" controls, but the rest don't.  It seems to be a function of whether there are more options than can be shown at one time in the ribbon (or you could also think of it as whether there are advanced options not often used related to that grouping).

             Because I can see, when I was navigating the ribbon and landed on that control in the Clipboard Grouping I could hear NVDA announce it as, "Office Clipboard - See all the items you've copied to the clipboard; ALT+H,FO."  The corresponding control in the Font Grouping is reached by ALT+H,FN, and is announced as, "Font, customize your text using advanced font and character options (plus a lot more stuff); ALT+H,FN."  What the screen reader is reading is the pop-up text that shows to a sighted user if they hover over that control and that shows up in a little mouse "hover over window."  That hover-over window does not appear when you land on the control via tabbing or arrowing, but if you linger for a moment the exact text that I see if I hover over is what the screen reader reads.

             The only way I can tell you to identify these controls is to use CTRL+Left or Right arrow to move between control groupings, then SHIFT+TAB to jump back to the last control within the last control grouping.  It becomes obvious pretty quickly, just based on the amount of verbiage involved, whether the thing you've landed on is one of these pop-out controls for a grouping or one of the normal controls within that grouping.  There is no real "shorthand name" for these things, and since the text is unique to each one, that's why the downward right pointing arrow is used in those instructions.

              Give the above a try and see what you find.

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Re: Turning Off Office Clipboard

Mike B
 


Yes, I know how to access the menues, but I'm only asking about the use of the, ↘ symbol.  I've never read this in a step before and I wonder what they mean by this symbol.  I understand it does contain the word, arrow, in there, but what's this, southeast, lingo supposed to mean?  LOL 

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Turning Off Office Clipboard

I don't know if this applies to your version of Word.  In Word Starter 2010, in the clipboard group, I have a button that says something like show clipboard task pane.  If I press the space bar on that button, I am placed on the options button.  I press the space bar and a menu opens up.  It doesn't have a disable option but it does have settings that affect how you make it come up and whether it is displayed.  If I no longer want to have the item displayed, I once again find the button in the ribbon and even though it still says show, I press the space bar again and the item is no longer shown.

On 9/16/2020 8:24 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,
 
My question has to do with step #3 in the steps below where it says to, Click the ↘ symbol.  How do you determine what a ↘  symbol is using a screenreading program?  I know how to access the menues, but this is the first time I've ever read steps whether for sighted or blind that used this kind of lingo!  What are we supposed to do, turn on our braille compass app?  LOL  LOL 
 
 
How to disable office clipboard
list of 5 items
1. Open Word or Excel.
2. Create a new document or spreadsheet.
3. Click the ↘ symbol at the Clipboard group on the Home tab.
4. Click the Options button at the bottom.
5. Uncheck all items.
list end
Clipboard

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


Re: Turning Off Office Clipboard

Gene
 

I don't know if this applies to your version of Word.  In Word Starter 2010, in the clipboard group, I have a button that says something like show clipboard task pane.  If I press the space bar on that button, I am placed on the options button.  I press the space bar and a menu opens up.  It doesn't have a disable option but it does have settings that affect how you make it come up and whether it is displayed.  If I no longer want to have the item displayed, I once again find the button in the ribbon and even though it still says show, I press the space bar again and the item is no longer shown.

On 9/16/2020 8:24 PM, Mike B wrote:

Hi All,
 
My question has to do with step #3 in the steps below where it says to, Click the ↘ symbol.  How do you determine what a ↘  symbol is using a screenreading program?  I know how to access the menues, but this is the first time I've ever read steps whether for sighted or blind that used this kind of lingo!  What are we supposed to do, turn on our braille compass app?  LOL  LOL 
 
 
How to disable office clipboard
list of 5 items
1. Open Word or Excel.
2. Create a new document or spreadsheet.
3. Click the ↘ symbol at the Clipboard group on the Home tab.
4. Click the Options button at the bottom.
5. Uncheck all items.
list end
Clipboard

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


Turning Off Office Clipboard

Mike B
 


Hi All,
 
My question has to do with step #3 in the steps below where it says to, Click the ↘ symbol.  How do you determine what a ↘  symbol is using a screenreading program?  I know how to access the menues, but this is the first time I've ever read steps whether for sighted or blind that used this kind of lingo!  What are we supposed to do, turn on our braille compass app?  LOL  LOL 
 
 
How to disable office clipboard
list of 5 items
1. Open Word or Excel.
2. Create a new document or spreadsheet.
3. Click the ↘ symbol at the Clipboard group on the Home tab.
4. Click the Options button at the bottom.
5. Uncheck all items.
list end
Clipboard

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


A warning about IOS 14 and the M Braille App, in case anyone doesn't know

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

I'm on the M Braille list. We were told that beta testers of IOS 14 experienced this app not functional. So I'm going to wait until the developer says it's fixed, as I use this soft keyboard a lot.



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Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Lynette
 

Okay, got that. Where is your profile stored if using the Portable version. I would think it has to be within the folder of the portable TB so can you copy the one on your hard drive into the folder?
Lynette

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 7:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

You aren't creating a portable version from the currently installed
version. You are placing a portable version on your machine. I haven't
looked into whether you can import settings and messages and the address
book from the installed version.


Gene

On 9/16/2020 9:35 AM, Lynette wrote:
If you are currently using TB, and you create a portable version, will all your setting transfer to the portable version?
TIA
Lynette


-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

I don't know what is causing it. Do you have more than one account? If so,
you need to turn off the setting for all accounts individually.

You said this just started happening. Brian spoke of possible corruption of
the program and that could be. You may want to uninstall and install it
again as he suggests. Something detrimental evidently happened since you
didn't have this behavior before.

Even if you solve the problem, you may still want to consider the following:
One thing I encourage people to do is use Thunderbird portable. You can keep
your installed version and try the portable version so you will have no
delay or interruption in receiving e-mail.

The reasons I say that people should use the portable version are that you
can move the program to any machine you want and have all your e-mail and
settings, except that I don't know if you will have message rules
transferred.
You can run it from something like a thumb drive if you are using a machine
that isn't yours and that you don't have the program on. And you can keep a
backup copy so that if the program becomes corrupted, you can simply delete
it and copy the backup copy to the location where you usually have the
program. To keep the backup copy current, you can delete the backup when
you want and copy the one you are using to that location again. This will
preserve your e-mail and any changes you have made to the program, such as
settings changes and probably add-ons as well.

You won't have to trouble shoot problems anymore that arise from corruption
of the program. You can just replace it by deleting it and copying the
backup copy to the location you run the program from.
Although I use the Brave browser for most of my browsing, I use Firefox
portable off and on and I use the portable version for the same reasons.

I use portable versions of programs where they either do everything the
installed version does or where the portable version does the things I want
it to do.

-----Original Message----- From: lynn white
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hey Gene,

First of all, thank you as always. I perform the step by step method
that you gave. Unfortunately, I'm still getting this message from the
Tbird.

If you have any other ideas, I've got an open ear.

On 9/15/2020 9:04 AM, Gene wrote:
You can turn off the spam filter. You don't needit if your provider filters spam well. I don't use a spam filter on my machine and I get almost no spam because the GMail spam filter filters out just about everything.

Here is how you do it.
New main steps start on new lines.
I'll go into more detail if you need me to about how to find things.
Open tools with alt t.
Type s to open the account settings dialog.
Down arrow to junk settings.
Tab a few times until you get to Enable adaptive junk mail controls for this account.
Uncheckit with the space bar.
Tab to and activate the ok button.
The intrusive and annoying messages will be gone and you may wwell se little or no more spam than you do now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: lynn white
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

This has suddenly started popping up for every message. Fixes? Thanks.








I use portable versions of programs where they do the same things as the
nonportable versions or if they do what I want even if they don't do
everything.

Gene







Re: using gmail and thunderbird and getting lots of spam

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 04:43 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:
I just wonder why this problem just started recently when I've actually been using gmail for quite a while.
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All it takes is a "spammer e-mail address sale," and they do sell lists to each other.  If you happen to have your address sold, particularly if it's sold to multiple other spammers, you can experience some pretty severe spikes in the volume of spam.  And while it usually comes down again, the level it comes down to is usually higher than whatever you were accustomed to before.
 
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Re: using gmail and thunderbird and getting lots of spam

Troy Burnham
 

The only reason I even go into the spam folder in thunderbird is to make sure there's nothing there that's been misclassified as spam that should've come to my inbox. I usually go in every couple of days and delete what's there because I can sometimes get a couple of hundred spam messages a day and I'd hate to have to go through that many messages looking for legitimate messages if I let them build up any longer than that. I just wonder why this problem just started recently when I've actually been using gmail for quite a while.

Troy




On 9/16/2020 12:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It's neither a Gmail problem nor a Thunderbird problem.

Gmail has some of the best spam filtering in the business, and it's doing with spam exactly what it should do - classifying it as such and moving those messages to the spam folder.

Gmail itself will, as Gene has noted, purge off anything in the spam folder that's older than 30 days each and every day, and that will be purged out of your spam folder under Thunderbird as well provided you're using IMAP access to your account, which has been the Gmail default access method for years now.

Neither Gmail nor Thunderbird have any ability to prevent you from getting spam nor to control the volume of spam you receive.  What they can do is filter/classify it appropriately and move it to a folder where it will not be a nuisance in daily life.

It is a good idea to check one's spam folder daily for any possible "not spam" messages that may have been classified as such incorrectly.  But I have not had Gmail do this to me for many years, and that's on multiple accounts.
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Re: just curious

james hooper
 

Yes I am going to check that out just wanted other ideas smile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] just curious

 

Did you get my message about the Aftershocks titanium bone conductor headset?  Pam.

 

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:37 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] just curious

 

Greetings all are anyone using blue tooth devices around their neck or earphones I am looking for something other then an ear piece.

 

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Re: just curious

Pamela Dominguez
 

Did you get my message about the Aftershocks titanium bone conductor headset?  Pam.
 

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 7:37 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] just curious
 

Greetings all are anyone using blue tooth devices around their neck or earphones I am looking for something other then an ear piece.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Pamela Dominguez
 

You didn't leave the message underneath that you are questioning, so we don't know what you are talking about. Pam.

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From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:37 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hi all,

What has? There's nothing that makes sense here.

Ann P.

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Re: using gmail and thunderbird and getting lots of spam

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

It's neither a Gmail problem nor a Thunderbird problem.

Gmail has some of the best spam filtering in the business, and it's doing with spam exactly what it should do - classifying it as such and moving those messages to the spam folder.

Gmail itself will, as Gene has noted, purge off anything in the spam folder that's older than 30 days each and every day, and that will be purged out of your spam folder under Thunderbird as well provided you're using IMAP access to your account, which has been the Gmail default access method for years now.

Neither Gmail nor Thunderbird have any ability to prevent you from getting spam nor to control the volume of spam you receive.  What they can do is filter/classify it appropriately and move it to a folder where it will not be a nuisance in daily life.

It is a good idea to check one's spam folder daily for any possible "not spam" messages that may have been classified as such incorrectly.  But I have not had Gmail do this to me for many years, and that's on multiple accounts.
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: using gmail and thunderbird and getting lots of spam

Gene
 

The spam folder is emptied automatically in GMail every thirty days.  I doubt you can do anything.  Since you get so much spam, it would be a good idea to check the folder daily, perhaps more than once, depending on how fast mail builds up there, to be sure no messages that are legitimate end up there.


Gene

On 9/16/2020 11:23 AM, Troy Burnham wrote:
Hi all,

I know there's another similar thread going on but after reading part of it I didn't see anything helpful so I thought I'd start my own thread.

I've been using thunderbird for a couple of years now and have been using gmail for a few months. There is a spam folder in my thunderbird and there used to never be anything in it but for the past couple of months that folder is staying full of spam, I realize it's a gmail problem and not a thunderbird problem but is there anything I can do? Btw I'm still on version 68 of thunderbird, I haven't upgraded to 78 yet because I've been seeing problems that other users are having.

Thanks.

Troy






using gmail and thunderbird and getting lots of spam

Troy Burnham
 

Hi all,

I know there's another similar thread going on but after reading part of it I didn't see anything helpful so I thought I'd start my own thread.

I've been using thunderbird for a couple of years now and have been using gmail for a few months. There is a spam folder in my thunderbird and there used to never be anything in it but for the past couple of months that folder is staying full of spam, I realize it's a gmail problem and not a thunderbird problem but is there anything I can do? Btw I'm still on version 68 of thunderbird, I haven't upgraded to 78 yet because I've been seeing problems that other users are having.

Thanks.

Troy


Re: Faxing questions

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Kathy,

I'll answer your last question first.  Most word processors have a built in template for a FAX Cover Sheet.  There are scads of them in MS-Word, the simplest one of which is "Fax cover sheet (standard format)."  But in all cases most contain a table with labels for the things you enter.  It's pretty straightforward.  A cover sheet really only needs to contain your name and contact information, the name and contact information for the person/department to whom the FAX is being sent, and after that any "special instructions" for the recipient if that's applicable.

One can encrypt a file (which will password protect it) and it is safe to send via e-mail, as only the recipient will be provided with the password, and that is done in an e-mail message that is separate from the one in which the file is being sent, so if one or the other message were intercepted the two pieces necessary for getting at the information are not available.

Many companies, and virtually all medical offices, now have what are called client or patient portals, where you log in via the web and the whole interaction is going on in an encrypted session, so all kinds of sensitive information can be safely exchanged.

I've actually sent things like scans of my driver's license and similar unencrypted in the past because the actual probability of any given email message being intercepted is quite low, but there is definitely a risk involved in doing so, but one I was willing to accept.

I just don't understand why the FAX has not died the death it so justly deserves after all these years. 
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Re: Faxing questions

Kathy Pingstock
 

Brian I forgot to ask what do you put on a cover letter when you’re doing faxing question


On Sep 16, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Kathy,

            I would feel far more secure about using the Staples service than submitting anything online, which would mean having an electronic copy out there.  The folks at Staples fax a lot of stuff and they don't give a flying fig about what they're faxing that I've ever noticed.  If you hand them the ready to fax item, including the cover sheet, they grab it, fax it, hand it back and charge you.

            And, by the way, I would also take the time to complain to the entity that's insisting on a FAX.  Very few of us ever had FAX machines and these days even fewer of us do.  It's perfectly possible to send the same document via e-mail or via a secure customer portal, and in this day and age that's what they should be doing.  Insisting on FAX makes customers' lives miserable for no reason.

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Faxing questions

Kathy Pingstock
 

Thank you so much for your input, can things be send  like account numbers and Social Security and stuff securely and safely through an email to the company because maybe I can make that suggestion


 I know they want a copy of my new ID with my new name and stuff on it Kathy Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Kathy,

            I would feel far more secure about using the Staples service than submitting anything online, which would mean having an electronic copy out there.  The folks at Staples fax a lot of stuff and they don't give a flying fig about what they're faxing that I've ever noticed.  If you hand them the ready to fax item, including the cover sheet, they grab it, fax it, hand it back and charge you.

            And, by the way, I would also take the time to complain to the entity that's insisting on a FAX.  Very few of us ever had FAX machines and these days even fewer of us do.  It's perfectly possible to send the same document via e-mail or via a secure customer portal, and in this day and age that's what they should be doing.  Insisting on FAX makes customers' lives miserable for no reason.

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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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