That's surprising and unexpected.  Windows Live Mail is my preferred program and POP3 meets my needs well but its nice to be able to open Thunderbird and easily find something if I want to refer to it again in Trash.  I can also check my spam folder in Thunderbird which is faster and more convenient than going to my GMail page online.

And I have convenient access to the GMail all mail mailbox.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 1:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] A puzzling behavior in an IMAP account

Gene,

         You've nailed your problem right there.  Gmail handles POP3 and IMAP, even for the same account, pretty much as though they're entirely different servers.  I've never understood what the actual mechanics of this are in practice, but Gmail allows you to turn on options for both POP and IMAP access for a single account, and when they are both on, each access method works in "it's own little world."  In practice it is never expected that a single account will be accessed with both protocols. If Google had been smart that radio button would allow only one of those two options to be active.  And as you've now learned from direct experience, when one is, there's always a level of madness that ensues if mixed access via different clients is used.

         With any given account, if you're using IMAP, use it in each and every client that accesses the account if you want things kept in sync.

That totally makes sense. I was following this thread, because if I'm
correct, I believe Gene was going to use Thunderbird to cut through
the bulk of the lists e-mails, deleting the ones he didn't want and
leaving the ones that he did want on the server where he could
download them with Live mail for archival purposes. At least that's
what I thought was intriguing .

On 9/17/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Gene,

You've nailed your problem right there. Gmail handles POP3 and IMAP, even
for the same account, pretty much as though they're entirely different
servers. I've never understood what the actual mechanics of this are in
practice, but Gmail allows you to turn on options for both POP and IMAP
access for a single account, and when they are both on, each access method
works in "it's own little world." In practice it is never expected that a
single account will be accessed with both protocols. If Google had been
smart that radio button would allow only one of those two options to be
active. And as you've now learned from direct experience, when one is,
there's always a level of madness that ensues if mixed access via different
clients is used.

With any given account, if you're using IMAP, use it in each and every
client that accesses the account if you want things kept in sync.

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fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.*

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Gene,

You've nailed your problem right there. Gmail handles POP3 and IMAP, even
for the same account, pretty much as though they're entirely different
servers. I've never understood what the actual mechanics of this are in
practice, but Gmail allows you to turn on options for both POP and IMAP
access for a single account, and when they are both on, each access method
works in "it's own little world." In practice it is never expected that a
single account will be accessed with both protocols. If Google had been
smart that radio button would allow only one of those two options to be
active. And as you've now learned from direct experience, when one is,
there's always a level of madness that ensues if mixed access via different
clients is used.

With any given account, if you're using IMAP, use it in each and every
client that accesses the account if you want things kept in sync.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

*Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.*

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

Gene,

           Did you allow sufficient time for the client where you did the deleting to sync to the server first, then make certain that the other client/device had done a sync to the server subsequent to that?

            Synchronization is not instantaneous, and occurs on timed cycles (at least most of the time), and if you've just deleted messages in one client/device, it has to sync those deletions to the server so it knows the messages need to be removed, then after that happens the other client/device has to do a sync so that it knows to remove them from itself.  I just had a client the other day who could not understand why Outlook on her PC was "so slow about catching up" to changes that had already occurred, whether that was incoming mail, deleted messages, etc., on her smartphone or tablet.  It was because the sync interval for Outlook was once every 30 minutes, which is an incredibly long time between checks if you want anything like the appearance of instantaneous change.  I never use longer than 10 minutes.
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

Hmm, Since IMAP allows multiple devices to access and control one
e-mail account, Is it possible that Live Mail is downloading e-mail
from Thunderbird? Did Live mail download any e-mails that you
previously deleted with Thunderbird? If so, that is a concern.



On 9/17/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I just started playing around with my Gmail account set up as IMAP in one
e-mail program, the latest version of Thunderbird portable. I have it set
to delete messages from the inbox when I delete messages from my computer
and, as far as I can see, from the GMail inbox. But when I run another
e-mail program, Windows Live Mail, the messages download there even though
the GMail web interface shows the inbox to be empty. So where is GMail
downloading the messages from?

Gene

Doesn't Gmail store copies of messages in the Trash folder for 30 days?  If so, maybe that's the source.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2020 5:07 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] A puzzling behavior in an IMAP account

I just started playing around with my Gmail account set up as IMAP in one
e-mail program, the latest version of Thunderbird portable.  I have it set
to delete messages from the inbox when I delete messages from my computer
and, as far as I can see, from the GMail inbox.  But when I run another
e-mail program, Windows Live Mail, the messages download there even though
the GMail web interface shows the inbox to be empty.  So where is GMail
downloading the messages from?

Gene

I just started playing around with my Gmail account set up as IMAP in one
e-mail program, the latest version of Thunderbird portable. I have it set
to delete messages from the inbox when I delete messages from my computer
and, as far as I can see, from the GMail inbox. But when I run another
e-mail program, Windows Live Mail, the messages download there even though
the GMail web interface shows the inbox to be empty. So where is GMail
downloading the messages from?

Gene

Kathy,

I'll answer your last question first. Most word processors have a built in
template for a FAX Cover Sheet. There are scads of them in MS-Word, the
simplest one of which is "Fax cover sheet (standard format)." But in all
cases most contain a table with labels for the things you enter. It's
pretty straightforward. A cover sheet really only needs to contain your
name and contact information, the name and contact information for the
person/department to whom the FAX is being sent, and after that any "special
instructions" for the recipient if that's applicable.

One can encrypt a file (which will password protect it) and it is safe to
send via e-mail, as only the recipient will be provided with the password,
and that is done in an e-mail message that is separate from the one in which
the file is being sent, so if one or the other message were intercepted the
two pieces necessary for getting at the information are not available.

Many companies, and virtually all medical offices, now have what are called
client or patient portals, where you log in via the web and the whole
interaction is going on in an encrypted session, so all kinds of sensitive
information can be safely exchanged.

I've actually sent things like scans of my driver's license and similar
unencrypted in the past because the actual probability of any given email
message being intercepted is quite low, but there is definitely a risk
involved in doing so, but one I was willing to accept.

I just don't understand why the FAX has not died the death it so justly
deserves after all these years.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

*Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.*

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

Hi all,

<sigh> The original poster sent a message that said, and I quote:  "[TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam".  There was nothing in the email, no quoted text, no copy of the message, nothing.  How can we help if the message doesn't give the information that is needed?

Ann P.


Original message:

You didn't leave the message underneath that you are questioning, so we
don't know what you are talking about.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:37 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Thunder Thinks This Is Spam

Hi all,

What has?  There's nothing that makes sense here.

Ann P.

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