Date   

Stream Genie

Lighthouse <bernice.j.bird@...>
 

Good evening,

 

This is my first email to this group. I am one of those weird people that wants to turn on my TV and turn it to a station and watch a program. I don’t mind searching for a specific movie on Net Flix, or searching you tube for something, but when I watch TV, I don’t want to have to go searching forever for current live TV.

 

I have bought 3 digital antennas, and none of them get very many stations. I bought a roof antenna just to find it is extremely difficult to mount it on my house. The wire would have to go three quarters of the way around my house.

 

I am looking for information about the Stream Genie. I would appreciate hearing about individual’s experiences with it, or any reliable information that can be provided.

 

I feel extremely strongly about the negative business practices of our local cable company, and don’t want to support a business that charges their long term customers more and more money. Call me strange, but I thought a good practice would be rewarding long term loyal customers, not penalizing them.

 

Thanks for any info about this system.


Re: accessible disk imaging software.

James Bentley
 

does Narrator come preinstalled with the Macrium reflect recovery disk like it does with Image for Windows or, do I have to install Narrator myself to make the MR recovery disk useable with Narrator?

 

James B 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash Kakkar
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessible disk imaging software.

 

Macrium reflect's recovery environment is also based on Win PE and narrator works there perfectly.

On 9/25/2020 9:23 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Restoration of an image is accesible via Narrator when using Image for Windows because Narrator comes on the Image for Windows recovery disk which can be copied to a USB drive.  I haven’t checked the price lately but it cost around forty bucks a couple years back for the ability to use it on five PC’s.

 

One does need one-time help to change the boot sequence on their PC or, one-time assistance to memorize the keystrokes to change the boot menu to boot up off the recovery disk.

 

Macrium Reflect  is an excellant free choice but one will always need sighted help to run the recovery disk.  Not too bad of a deal to get your complete drive back.

 

James B  From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 5:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessible disk imaging software.

 

 

Here's the bottom line.  There is no inmaging program that is completely accessible.  Macrium Reflect is accessible only for creating the backup image on an external hard drive.  But sighted assistance is needed to restore this image because there is no speech available during the restoration procedure.  This is true of all imaging programs; the backup procedure may be accessible, but sighted help is almost certainly needed to restore the saved image. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 9/25/2020 4:04 AM, Akash Kakkar wrote:

Ya bro, that's the problematic thing about Image for windows. Otherwise, I liked it's interface but left it due to the lack of incremental backups. actually I've tried tons of Imaging solutions but none is properly accessible.

On 9/25/2020 1:20 PM, Smiling? wrote:


Interesting, I was thinking that Image for Windows could successfully create incremental backups, but apparently you are correct, it only does full and differential backups because of incremental backups tending to be troublesome.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Akash Kakkar
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 0:27
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessible disk imaging software.

When I last checked, incremental backups were not available in image for windows.

On 9/25/2020 12:51 PM, Smiling? wrote:


Image for Windows:

https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/image-for-windows.htm


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Austin Pinto
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 21:51
To: access-uk@...
Subject: [TechTalk] accessible disk imaging software.

hi all.
i require an accessible disk imaging software that can backup and restore windows 10 and data and also has incrimental and differencial backup features.
i used to use active@disk image but it doesnt restore windows 10 properly.
please suggest

























Re: Any website with instructions accessible to follow, was, Re: [TechTalk] How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory default?

Carolyn Arnold
 

Sherry, go to Settings, General, and flick through to reset,
it is right before Shut Down. HTH.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon Hooley
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 2:45 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Any website with instructions accessible to follow,
was, Re: [TechTalk] How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory
default?

I tried searching on Applevis and Apple and wasn't seeing
results. Is there a website you would recommend where I can
easily find direct tech-related answers with instructions
that are reasonably accessible to follow?

Thanks again,


Re: How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory default?

Mike B.
 

Go to Settings / General / Reset and pick the option that best suits your need and do a single finger double tap / follow the prompts.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 11:09 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory default?

Hi again,

How do I reset my iPhone 5s to factory default so a friend can use it without being connected to my XR, please?

Thanks,


Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids?  Visit
www.CochlearAmericas.com




Any website with instructions accessible to follow, was, Re: [TechTalk] How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory default?

Sharon Hooley
 

I tried searching on Applevis and Apple and wasn't seeing results. Is there a website you would recommend where I can easily find direct tech-related answers with instructions that are reasonably accessible to follow?

Thanks again,


Re: How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory default?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I'm not doing this to be nasty, but am starting to do it on principle.  Tutorials, step-by-step tutorials, in the hundreds to thousands for a common task like this can be found with a simple web search.  

A search on [factory reset iPhone {insert specific version of iPhone here}] will get you the information you need.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


How to reset iPhone 5s back to factory default?

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi again,

How do I reset my iPhone 5s to factory default so a friend can use it without being connected to my XR, please?

Thanks,


Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids? Visit
www.CochlearAmericas.com


Re: How to separate my old iPhone from the new one?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Sharon,

            The easiest thing to do would be resetting your old iPhone to it's original "out of the box" state and letting her set up what she needs to herself.

            I am unclear by what you mean by "still linked with my text messages" if you've transferred your SIM card to your new device.

            Re-establishing your own Whatsapp account on the device should you need to later is not difficult, and you'd probably want to reset the phone again before you'd start using it again anyway (if that ever were to happen) as you'd want to be rid of all traces of her on it.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


How to separate my old iPhone from the new one?

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

I'm letting a friend borrow my old iPhone 5s mainly for Whatsapp. But it's still linked with my text messages, which come to me as failed to send. Is there a way to separate my Whatsapp account from hers without my deleting mine? Would it be necessary to delete my iCloud account on that phone? If so, is there a way to do this without makeing the change with my new one?

Thanks,


Is it hard to communicate, even with hearing aids? Visit
www.CochlearAmericas.com


Word Press Accessibility Day October 2

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi everyone,

 

Although targeted to website developers, this event offers a rare insight into how developers approach accessibility and the tools they use. There are sessions regarding screen readers, and a visually impaired screen reader user and web developer will be speaking. From the point of view of most of us, these sessions might give us tips on how we can better communicate our needs to not only those who develop for WP but for any site.

This event is free and open to everyone, no registration required, just drop in as you like.

 

Here’s the link to the full schedule:

https://wpaccessibilityday.org/

HTH,

Norma

 

 


Numpad Nav Mode 1.0 Add-on Updated to 1.3

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
The Numpad Nav Mode updated version can be downloaded with the link below.
 
 
 Original Message 
From: Luke Davis
 Here is a new version which should do everything that was talked about in the message from yesterday.

Corrected link:

https://github.com/opensourcesys/numpadNavMode/releases/download/1.3/numpadNavMode-1.3.nvda-addon

 Note that it requires NVDA 2019.3 or later, at least for now.

 Luke
   

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.
Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers!


Looking for recomendation for a fast doc. scanner

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I am looking for a fast document scanner that is accessible with JAWS
------------------
And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not;
I will lead them in paths that they have not known:
I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight.
These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them.Isaiah 42:16  


Re: Help creating .pls files from radio station URL

Steven Johnson <saxmonger@...>
 

Hello Gene. By live or direct stream URL, I may be showing my ignorance, but I meant an URL that can be copied and pasted into the address bar of a browser and start a station's stream immediately, like the stream URL for WGN, Chicago, which is https://v7player.wostreaming.net/3614

Thanks for the Billsparks.net link. I believe that it has a lot of cool stations for me to try.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help creating .pls files from radio station URL

What do you mean by direct stream URL? Stations have underlying streams in general. They broadcast using HTML5 and that isn't the underlying format.
The stream starts out as something else, I believe most of the time a streaming MP3 file. If you are simmply using the link that appears in your address bar, that is usually not the actual original stream. If a station actually plays in a program like Winamp when you use the address from the address bar, then the address is to the actual underlying stream. It is rare that stations use the underlying streme these days.

You will find some stations' underlying streams listed on this web page. I almost never use the site so I don't know how many. Some stations simply use the address shown in the browsers' address bar when streaming using HTML5, and I believe the site identifies those by saying listen in browser.
If an underlying link is available, I believe the station will have a link that says listen in media player. Many stations have both links. The site has a ssearch link. once you do a search, start at the top of the page and use the screen-reader's find to look for the word results, then look down.
https://billsparks.net/

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Anyone have a sure-fire method for creating a .pls file for the Book
Port Plus or the Blaze ET from a radio station's direct stream URL? I
have tried to use notepad by pasting the direct stream URL for several
radio stations, of course, one radio station per file, and saving the
file as a .pls.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I wonder if there is a
repository on the web that has a lot of real radio stations from which
I can create .pls files for media players, not user created internet
radio stations. I want honest-to-God. On-air radio stations, not user
createdinternet stations.







--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Player/book Reader, Victor Reader Stream & Trek, blindshell Classic phone, Bluetooth devices, and accessories http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
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Re: Help creating .pls files from radio station URL

Steven Johnson <saxmonger@...>
 

Hi Laz. I believe you hit the nail on the head regarding radio stations that have embedded players on their websites preventing my live stream URLs from working from a .pls file when I try to access them from a Blaze ET. I will probably listen to stations with a web player using VLC, which does seem to work with most stations that I would like to hear. It's kind of a shame though. Ootunes is such a wonderful service. Too bad that it is only on the Victor, IOS or BrailleNote. Thanks for thehelp.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 4:06 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Help creating .pls files from radio station URL

There are some radio stations out there that use a player on their site and those may be the ones causing you problems. I find it much easier to use a media player that can handle internet radio streams like VLC and if it plays there one has a better chance at success when creeating working PLS or M3U files using the audio player. I used to use WinAmp to do this until I started having issues using WinAmp when I moved to Windows 10 a while back. I haven't looked into Groove, WMP, or any other media player but they may be able to create workingplaylist files just as easily.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 9/30/20, Steven Johnson <saxmonger@comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have a sure-fire method for creating a .pls file for the Book
Port Plus or the Blaze ET from a radio station's direct stream URL? I
have tried to use notepad by pasting the direct stream URL for several
radio stations, of course, one radio station per file, and saving the
file as a .pls.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I wonder if there is a
repository on the web that has a lot of real radio stations from which
I can create .pls files for media players, not user created internet
radio stations. I want honest-to-God. On-air radio stations, not user
createdinternet stations.







--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Player/book Reader, Victor Reader Stream & Trek, blindshell Classic phone, Bluetooth devices, and accessories http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr


Re: Help creating .pls files from radio station URL

Gene
 

What do you mean by direct stream URL? Stations have underlying streams in general. They broadcast using HTML5 and that isn't the underlying format. The stream starts out as something else, I believe most of the time a streaming MP3 file. If you are simmply using the link that appears in your address bar, that is usually not the actual original stream. If a station actually plays in a program like Winamp when you use the address from the address bar, then the address is to the actual underlying stream. It is rare that stations use the underlying streme these days.

You will find some stations' underlying streams listed on this web page. I almost never use the site so I don't know how many. Some stations simply use the address shown in the browsers' address bar when streaming using HTML5, and I believe the site identifies those by saying listen in browser. If an underlying link is available, I believe the station will have a link that says listen in media player. Many stations have both links. The site has a ssearch link. once you do a search, start at the top of the page and use the screen-reader's find to look for the word results, then look down.
https://billsparks.net/

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Anyone have a sure-fire method for creating a .pls file for the Book Port
Plus or the Blaze ET from a radio station's direct stream URL? I have
tried
to use notepad by pasting the direct stream URL for several radio stations,
of course, one radio station per file, and saving the file as a .pls.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I wonder if there is a
repository on the web that has a lot of real radio stations from which I
can
create .pls files for media players, not user created internet radio
stations. I want honest-to-God. On-air radio stations, not user
createdinternet stations.







--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Player/book Reader, Victor
Reader Stream & Trek, blindshell Classic phone, Bluetooth devices, and
accessories
http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr


Re: Help creating .pls files from radio station URL

Laz
 

There are some radio stations out there that use a player on their
site and those may be the ones causing you problems. I find it much
easier to use a media player that can handle internet radio streams
like VLC and if it plays there one has a better chance at success when
creeating working PLS or M3U files using the audio player. I used to
use WinAmp to do this until I started having issues using WinAmp when
I moved to Windows 10 a while back. I haven't looked into Groove, WMP,
or any other media player but they may be able to create
workingplaylist files just as easily.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 9/30/20, Steven Johnson <saxmonger@comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have a sure-fire method for creating a .pls file for the Book Port
Plus or the Blaze ET from a radio station's direct stream URL? I have
tried
to use notepad by pasting the direct stream URL for several radio stations,
of course, one radio station per file, and saving the file as a .pls.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. I wonder if there is a
repository on the web that has a lot of real radio stations from which I
can
create .pls files for media players, not user created internet radio
stations. I want honest-to-God. On-air radio stations, not user
createdinternet stations.






--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Player/book Reader, Victor
Reader Stream & Trek, blindshell Classic phone, Bluetooth devices, and
accessories
http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr


Numpad Nav Mode, New NVDA Addon Explained

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
Here's all the info about this new NVDA Add-on, please read all the way through for all the information.

 
Numpad Nav Mode
list of 2 items
• Author: Luke Davis (Open Source Systems, Ltd.)
• Download
stable version
list end
 
Numpad Nav Mode is an
NVDA
 add-on, which allows you to easily switch your keyboard's numpad between NVDA's navigation controls and the non-screenreader Windows navigation controls.
 
The normal functions of the PC number pad, with numlock off, are: page up, page down, home, end, four-way arrow keys, and a delete key. But NVDA completely
takes over the numpad, to provide review keys, mouse controls, and object navigation controls. This is true even in laptop keyboard mode, which duplicates
those functions on non-numpad keys for those who do not have a numpad.
 
However some users do have a numpad on their laptop, and would prefer to use it for Windows navigation purposes, especially because some laptops do not
provide home, end, or other such keys. That is where this add-on can help. Additionally, some desktop users may sometimes find it convenient to use the
numpad for those keyboard functions rather than the normal keys, which this add-on enables.
 
How it works
 
With numlock off, no matter what keyboard layout you are using, this add-on will let you press Alt+NVDA+NumpadPlus (which is usually the long key second
up on the right), to quickly and easily switch between the normal NVDA navigation controls, and the classic Windows navigation controls. This key can be
remapped under Input Gestures, in the Input section.
 
Note that this add-on doesn't disable the use of numpad insert as an NVDA modifier, if you have it set as such. If you want that feature, please let me
know, although you can manually turn off numpad insert as a modifier in NVDA keyboard settings.
 
If you would prefer to have NVDA start with the Windows nav mode active by default, you can configure that in NVDA configuration. Go to NVDA's preferences,
then settings, and find the Numpad Nav Mode settings panel. There you will be able to select a checkbox to turn Windows Nav Mode on by default when you
start NVDA. To get there quickly, press NVDA+N, P, S, then N one or more times until you hear "Numpad Nav Mode".
 
New features
 
I encourage you to email with any feature suggestions, or other use cases that I haven't listed here, or just to let me know you find the add-on useful!
 
Inspiration
 
This add-on was the direct result of requests I've seen from users over the years, and a GitHub discussion in
#9549.
With thanks to @Qchristensen and @feerrenrut.
article end
 Original Message 
From:
Luke Davis
Hi all
 
I am happy to announce the initial release of Numpad Nav Mode: an add-on which
allows the number pad to be toggled between NVDA navigation commands, and
Windows cursor movement commands.  This can be particularly helpful to laptop
users with a numpad, who prefer to use laptop keyboard mode, and have their
numpad available for cursor movement commands.
 
The numpad's mode can be toggled with a key combination (NVDA+Alt+NumpadPlus,
by default), or you can have it permanently set to Windows mode by checking an
option in NVDA configuration.
 
 
 
Feel free to email with questions, comments, bug reports, or feature requests.
Regards,
Luke
 
From: Gene
Does that mean, as it seems to, that at last, JAWS users migrating to NVDA
will be able to use num;pad insert numpad down arrow for read to end when
using the desktop layout?  I tried, years ago, to convince the developers
that this command should be made available without success.  This command is
so frequently used by the majority of JAWS users that to get used to another
read to end command is an inconvenience and annoyance that many users would
consider a deterrent to using NVDA.  It also has the advantage of making
NVDA easier to use for someone who has problems using the left hand and who
wants to do as much with the right as possible.
Gene
 
 
From: Luke Davis
Sadly, no.
The main reason is that pressing NVDA+numpad down arrow invokes different
scancodes than pressing NVDA+down arrow.  In order to make them do the same thing, it
needs to be done intentionally.
 
This was not a use case I thought of, and none of the beta testers brought it
up.
 
However, you can easily remap NVDA+numpad2 from input gestures to do, read to end, with or without this add-on.
 
That said, I'll see about making the add-on's NVDA+arrow commands work as
you expect, in a future release.
 
 Thanks
Luke
 
From: Gene
This add-on may be appreciated by many desktop keyboard layout users of NVDA
as well who are migrating from JAWS.  The majority of JAWS users routinely
use numpad insert numpad 2 for read to end.  It appears, though this hasn't
been stated by Luke, that using the add-on will allow that Command to now be
used by JAWS users using the deskto;p layout.
 
Also, many JAWS users use the numpad for cursor movement and would, I would
thhink, want to continue to do so while using the desktop layout.  The
add-on may be more useful and convenient than originally anticipated.
Gene


Re: Seeking A Laser Printer

Joe Orozco
 

I'm glad I read this. I was on the verge of buying a Brother printer
from Amazon. I only hesitated because I was reading reviews of how
this line of printers signals the toner has finished even though there
is plenty of toner left in the cartridge. User reviews speak to using
a key sequence to trick the printer into foregoing the message. I
guess all printers will have their quirks, but this one felt
exceptionally irritating to perform without sighted assistance.

Joe

On 9/29/20, heather albright <kd5cbl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi I have 2 brother printers from my family and they are not accessible!
Also they do not have an accessible line, the tec support always and I mean
always asks me if there is a sighted person with me to trouble shoot my
printer issues. So personally, I would never by brother. I miss my old hp
mls10 lazer printer, it worked so well, could not take windows10 drivers
otherwise it would still be here.
Hp always had better tec support and now they have an accessibility line. So
if you are looking for an accessible printer, stay away from minu only
printers and no digital screens. I know that is 90 percent of the market
woe. Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tim Grady
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 8:05 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Seeking A Laser Printer

Check out the brother line of printers.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 7:59 AM
To: TechTalk Mailing List <TechTalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Seeking A Laser Printer

Hi Group,

I know this has been discussed in the past on this and other lists, but I am
in the market for a color laser printer. It has to be accessible which
means some way of interacting other than the touch screen and voiceless
screen on the printer itself.

I called Amazon disability which lists dozens of them. They couldn't help me
a lot other than giving me the phone numbers for accessibility for Canon,
Xerox and HP.

Here's what happened when I tried these phone numbers:
Xerox the number was disconnected
HP never answered--even after 5 hours on two separate phones Canon answered
and a woman with a heavily accented voice assured me that the one she
referenced would do the trick. Color imageCLASS MF743Cdw. . This device
which it is a bit pricey at $379 US weighs in at a massive
64 pounds. I would consider this more seriously if I could be sure I could
lift and position it properly without collapsing my utility table.

So again as I may have done in the past, what are people using for a laser
printer and how are they accessing it: app, voiced onboard touch screen,
echo device?

Thanks for any help.

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"



















Re: Giving Up on Thunderbird!

Gene
 

In my last message, quoted below, I should have said for screen-reader users who only use Windows, I shouldn't have specified NVDA.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 12:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Giving Up on Thunderbird!

It is really unreasonable to lecture me about doing my homework when I spent
over half an hour looking for information before you gave a suggestion of
what to search for hours after the thread started. Now that you did, I have
done a search and I conclude that for NVDA users who only use Windows, the
threat you are alluding to is minimal. Here is a quote from one of the
articles I found:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/some-email-clients-are-vulnerable-to-attacks-via-mailto-links/
The research team said it tested 20 email clients for their attack scenario
and found that four clients were vulnerable. This list included:
• Evolution, the default email client for the GNOME desktop environment on
Linux (see CVE-2020-11879)
• KMail, the default email client for KDE desktop environments on Linux (see
CVE-2020-11880)
• IBM/HCL Notes on Windows (see CVE-2020-4089)
• Older versions of Thunderbird on Linux (now patched)

At times, when there is little danger, I believe it is justiffiable for
blind people to prefer reliability over having the latest program. Such a
decision should be made carefully, but there are times when it is
reasonable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Giving Up on Thunderbird!

Gene, you said, and I quote: "I've seen nothing that caused me to
reconsider my opinion."

Well, then, that's on you, because the search criteria I gave you was used,
by me, to locate the very references I made reference to. It is incumbent
on those offered the way to find something to do additional digging.

I say again, it is a fool, unless for very good reason (which you
conveniently ignored), who uses an old email client or browser when updated
versions are available.

You are always going to encounter accessibility issues over time, it goes
with the territory. That's never a good reason to avoid updates for any
software that has intimate contact with cyberspace on a continuous basis.
Period, end of sentence, never needs to be repeated again. Do your darned
homework.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Giving Up on Thunderbird!

Gene
 

It is really unreasonable to lecture me about doing my homework when I spent over half an hour looking for information before you gave a suggestion of what to search for hours after the thread started. Now that you did, I have done a search and I conclude that for NVDA users who only use Windows, the threat you are alluding to is minimal. Here is a quote from one of the articles I found:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/some-email-clients-are-vulnerable-to-attacks-via-mailto-links/
The research team said it tested 20 email clients for their attack scenario and found that four clients were vulnerable. This list included:
• Evolution, the default email client for the GNOME desktop environment on Linux (see CVE-2020-11879)
• KMail, the default email client for KDE desktop environments on Linux (see CVE-2020-11880)
• IBM/HCL Notes on Windows (see CVE-2020-4089)
• Older versions of Thunderbird on Linux (now patched)

At times, when there is little danger, I believe it is justiffiable for blind people to prefer reliability over having the latest program. Such a decision should be made carefully, but there are times when it is reasonable.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Giving Up on Thunderbird!

Gene, you said, and I quote: "I've seen nothing that caused me to reconsider my opinion."

Well, then, that's on you, because the search criteria I gave you was used, by me, to locate the very references I made reference to. It is incumbent on those offered the way to find something to do additional digging.

I say again, it is a fool, unless for very good reason (which you conveniently ignored), who uses an old email client or browser when updated versions are available.

You are always going to encounter accessibility issues over time, it goes with the territory. That's never a good reason to avoid updates for any software that has intimate contact with cyberspace on a continuous basis. Period, end of sentence, never needs to be repeated again. Do your darned homework.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

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