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Uploading files to Facebook

Sharon S
 

Hi all, I am a leader of a scout group. The group has a Facebook page which all the families are subscribed to. I have put together a program for the term for my group and now I need to put it up on the Facebook page. I am using the classic Facebook page which was suggested here and using internet Explorer. I know I should be using another browser but I am trying to get this computer ready to give to my mum so don’t want to put new programs on it at the moment. I have been able to write a message and post it to the group but I can’t find a way to upload files. I tried using the photo option and when I went to brows I chose all file types, then I navigated to the file I want to upload and hit enter. The box closed but then the Facebook page said it wasn’t a recognised format. Is there something I am missing? Or do I need to just copy the whole document and paste it into the message box?

 

Hoping someone can help.

 

I’m using Jaws 2020 and windows 10.

 

Thanks.

From Shaz.

Canberra, Australia.

 


Re: Admin. the discussion about accessibility and other topics

Leedy Diane Bomar
 

Diane Bomar

On Oct 19, 2020, at 13:26, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:

I should add that I would have locked the topic sooner but I wasn't following the list for a few hours.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 2:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Admin. the discussion about accessibility and other topics

this topic is taking a lot of time and space on the list. It has also moved
into areas such as politics. While a certain amount of discussion of
accessibility as an issue, and I even let a little politics slip in at rare
times if it is a very small part of a larger thread, keeps the list lively,
such wide ranging discussions easily become divisive and a lot of people
don't want to see so much traffic. I am therefore closing the topic.
Anyone who wishes may discuss this issue and pretty much anything else on
the chat list, the address for joining is provided in the footers of every
message.

Gene, owner








So, because people cannot stay on topic, I am now unable to reply to messages in that thread that were on topic? Somehow that doesn't seem fair to me the original poster. I have tried to reply and the mail bounces back. How can I communicate with others who were writing good responses to my thread? I have deleted the inappropriate responses that should have been put into another thread, or deleted from the list, and the individuals who cannot stay on topic should be reprimanded. Why is the author of the thread being penalized for the misdeeds of others?


Re: OE classic.

Gene
 

Oe Classic now supports IMAP.

gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Abbie Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] OE classic.

The only thing I know about OE Classic is this. When I tried it a few years ago, I discovered that it's not compatible with IMAP. So, if you want to be able to sync your email across devices, you're better off with Outlook, Thunderbird, or a web-based program like Gmail.
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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@gmail.com



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Re: OE classic.

Abbie Taylor
 

The only thing I know about OE Classic is this. When I tried it a few years ago, I discovered that it's not compatible with IMAP. So, if you want to be able to sync your email across devices, you're better off with Outlook, Thunderbird, or a web-based program like Gmail. 
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Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...

 


Re: google home number

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 06:47 PM, Gene wrote:
Searching is not an expectation on the blindness lists I am on in general.
-
Which, in my opinion, is a huge problem.  Huge.

That being said, any group/list owner should run their group/list as they see fit.  I was simply pointing out that expectations are changing in some venues.
 
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: google home number

Gene
 

I disagree and I make no expectation that list members to check archives first. those who wish to do so are, of course, welcome to do so and the archives are an important resource, in part because if someone asks a question using Google or a search engine, results from this and a lot of other lists may show up in the results. While I think it is a good idea for people to learn how to use list archives, making it at all an expectation is, I believe a mistake on general lists like this where people of all skill levels and abilities participate.
Aside from possibly detouring some members from asking questions, some repetition may be useful as other members may learn things they didn't know and didn't know even to ask about.

Searching is not an expectation on the blindness lists I am on in general.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 5:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 04:51 PM, chris judge wrote:
Anyone sitting behind a keyboard doing what we’re doing is capable of conducting a google search, and if they’re not we should be helping them learn how to help themselves, not handing everything out on a silver platter.-
Indeed. And this is why "strong recommendations" have been added to the NVDA and Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group rules regarding same.

I have tutorials I need to update about searching the group archives since Groups.io has made the results page much more easily navigable than it once was. But the ability to do a web search and review the results is a basic, very basic, skill of computer use. It's not unreasonable when certain questions are asked that everyone reading knows have been asked and answered untold thousands of times that many have the reaction, "You need to try web searching before imposing on the time of many other people by asking on a group." And if you don't know how, then asking about how to do that should be the first order of business, and there are many on all these groups willing and able to assist you in acquiring that skill.

And I note, again, that I didn't even do that. I gave a direct link to the Google Accessibility contact page, which gives all the methods one can use to contact them, including by phone. It is odd, at least to me, that they actually give a phone number right on the page for TDD users but make those who are blind jump through a couple of hoops before you eventually get to the phone number. I guess they hope that you might encounter an answer, or decide to use Be My Eyes/Chat/etc., during one of those hoops before you get the phone number.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Admin. the discussion about accessibility and other topics

Victor
 

Hi Jean:

Thank you for your message about the purpose of this list. I hope we can stick to accessibility and technology related issues here as this is why I joined this list in the first place.

Thanks,

Victor

On Oct 19, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks!

-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Admin. the discussion about accessibility and other topics

this topic is taking a lot of time and space on the list. It has also moved
into areas such as politics. While a certain amount of discussion of
accessibility as an issue, and I even let a little politics slip in at rare
times if it is a very small part of a larger thread, keeps the list lively,
such wide ranging discussions easily become divisive and a lot of people
don't want to see so much traffic. I am therefore closing the topic.
Anyone who wishes may discuss this issue and pretty much anything else on
the chat list, the address for joining is provided in the footers of every
message.

Gene, owner











Re: google home number

heather albright
 

Sorry to bother the group. It used to be on the google home site and there was a google home accessibility number. If memory serves one was for the USA and the other was for Australia, not sure why I remember that.  But I was searching for it for a few days. I first got it from the national federation of the blind of Texas  Austin chapter. They had sent it out so anyone who needed it would have it. But, that was a couple of years ago! No worries; some on this list sent the e-mail to contact them instead.  My family and I are having some major health issues lately so my brain is not exactly not always working full steam ahead. Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 11:50 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

 

 

That's because Google does not have a dedicated phone helpline for disabled customers.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 10/19/2020 12:46 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

Yes, but you didn’t give anybody the number.  Pam.

 

Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:39 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

 

Contact the Google Disability Support Team
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Re: google home number

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 04:51 PM, chris judge wrote:
Anyone sitting behind a keyboard doing what we’re doing is capable of conducting a google search, and if they’re not we should be helping them learn how to help themselves, not handing everything out on a silver platter.
-
Indeed.  And this is why "strong recommendations" have been added to the NVDA and Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group rules regarding same.

I have tutorials I need to update about searching the group archives since Groups.io has made the results page much more easily navigable than it once was.  But the ability to do a web search and review the results is a basic, very basic, skill of computer use.  It's not unreasonable when certain questions are asked that everyone reading knows have been asked and answered untold thousands of times that many have the reaction, "You need to try web searching before imposing on the time of many other people by asking on a group."  And if you don't know how, then asking about how to do that should be the first order of business, and there are many on all these groups willing and able to assist you in acquiring that skill.

And I note, again, that I didn't even do that.  I gave a direct link to the Google Accessibility contact page, which gives all the methods one can use to contact them, including by phone.  It is odd, at least to me, that they actually give a phone number right on the page for TDD users but make those who are blind jump through a couple of hoops before you eventually get to the phone number.  I guess they hope that you might encounter an answer, or decide to use Be My Eyes/Chat/etc., during one of those hoops before you get the phone number.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Has anyone ever downloaded podcasts with Book Port Plus

Bryan Hagenau
 

I bet it's the second part the technology is to old in the book port plus.  I did it a while back and it worked. 

On 10/18/2020 12:52 AM, Steven Johnson wrote:

I have a Book Port Plus connected to my wifi.  I am trying to access podcasts from the BPP’s list of podcasts.  The unit will update the episodes list on some of the feeds, but either tells me that download failed, or the file type of the episode is unsupported.  Have any of you ever gotten to listen to podcasts on the BPP.  If so, how long has it been since you did so?  I’m trying to figure out if something is wrong with the unit, or if its technology is not compatible with modern podcast feeds.


Re: google home number

chris judge
 

You bet ya.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rob
Hudson
Sent: October 19, 2020 6:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

You mean, teach him how to fish and he'll sit out in his boat drinking beer
all day.
Grin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:50:57 -0300
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

It really isn't though. Anyone sitting behind a keyboard doing what we're
doing is capable of conducting a google search, and if they're not we should
be helping them learn how to help themselves, not handing everything out on
a silver platter.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you
feed him for life, and all that.



Chris Judge

<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>;



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: October 19, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number





As usual, your response is arrogant and condescending. You accused me
earlier of being "nasty", for which I apologize. But telling a fellow list
member to esentially go "look it up herself" is equally as nasty. If she
could find the phone number herself, she wouldn't be asking for help on this
list in the first place. Try to be a little more patient and understanding
with fellow blind list members who may not beas as adept as you at searching
the web for information before you post a response. .



Gerald





On 10/19/2020 12:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

Yes, but you didn't give anybody the number.

-
Because I expect that adults will go to that page, and search on "Phone."
We're not children here. There are also other contact options that may not
have been considered that are available there.

You can't always get what you want, but you certainly got what you needed
if you're willing to spend two freakin' seconds to review Google's own
source material. Do so.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they
rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com










Re: google home number

Rob Hudson
 

You mean, teach him how to fish and he'll sit out in his boat drinking beer all day.
Grin.

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris judge" <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 17:50:57 -0300
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

It really isnt though. Anyone sitting behind a keyboard doing what were doing is capable of conducting a google search, and if theyre not we should be helping them learn how to help themselves, not handing everything out on a silver platter.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life, and all that.



Chris Judge

<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>;



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: October 19, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number





As usual, your response is arrogant and condescending. You accused me earlier of being "nasty", for which I apologize. But telling a fellow list member to esentially go "look it up herself" is equally as nasty. If she could find the phone number herself, she wouldn't be asking for help on this list in the first place. Try to be a little more patient and understanding with fellow blind list members who may not beas as adept as you at searching the web for information before you post a response. .



Gerald





On 10/19/2020 12:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

Yes, but you didnt give anybody the number.

-
Because I expect that adults will go to that page, and search on "Phone." We're not children here. There are also other contact options that may not have been considered that are available there.

You can't always get what you want, but you certainly got what you needed if you're willing to spend two freakin' seconds to review Google's own source material. Do so.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com










Re: google home number

Alex Stone
 

Chris, I completely agree!

On 19 Oct 2020, at 21:51, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:



It really isn’t though. Anyone sitting behind a keyboard doing what we’re doing is capable of conducting a google search, and if they’re not we should be helping them learn how to help themselves, not handing everything out on a silver platter.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life, and all that.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: October 19, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

 

 

As usual, your response is arrogant and condescending.  You accused me earlier of being "nasty",  for which I apologize.  But telling a fellow list member to esentially go "look it up herself" is equally as nasty.  If she could find the phone number herself, she wouldn't be asking for help on this list in the first place.  Try to be a little more patient and understanding with fellow blind list members who may not beas as adept as you at searching the web for information before you post a response.   .

 

Gerald

 

 

On 10/19/2020 12:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

Yes, but you didn’t give anybody the number. 

-
Because I expect that adults will go to that page, and search on "Phone."  We're not children here.  There are also other contact options that may not have been considered that are available there.

You can't always get what you want, but you certainly got what you needed if you're willing to spend two freakin' seconds to review Google's own source material.  Do so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Admin. the discussion about accessibility and other topics

Marie
 

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Admin. the discussion about accessibility and other topics

this topic is taking a lot of time and space on the list. It has also moved
into areas such as politics. While a certain amount of discussion of
accessibility as an issue, and I even let a little politics slip in at rare
times if it is a very small part of a larger thread, keeps the list lively,
such wide ranging discussions easily become divisive and a lot of people
don't want to see so much traffic. I am therefore closing the topic.
Anyone who wishes may discuss this issue and pretty much anything else on
the chat list, the address for joining is provided in the footers of every
message.

Gene, owner


Re: google home number

chris judge
 

It really isn’t though. Anyone sitting behind a keyboard doing what we’re doing is capable of conducting a google search, and if they’re not we should be helping them learn how to help themselves, not handing everything out on a silver platter.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life, and all that.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: October 19, 2020 3:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

 

 

As usual, your response is arrogant and condescending.  You accused me earlier of being "nasty",  for which I apologize.  But telling a fellow list member to esentially go "look it up herself" is equally as nasty.  If she could find the phone number herself, she wouldn't be asking for help on this list in the first place.  Try to be a little more patient and understanding with fellow blind list members who may not beas as adept as you at searching the web for information before you post a response.   .

 

Gerald

 

 

On 10/19/2020 12:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:46 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

Yes, but you didn’t give anybody the number. 

-
Because I expect that adults will go to that page, and search on "Phone."  We're not children here.  There are also other contact options that may not have been considered that are available there.

You can't always get what you want, but you certainly got what you needed if you're willing to spend two freakin' seconds to review Google's own source material.  Do so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: google home number

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Come on now.bryan helps out on all the groups that I have been subscribed to and have gotten lots of help from him in the past . 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 1:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

 

Laz,

           I can count on less than two hands the names I'm seeing on this group that I do not see, regularly, on several others.  I do not feel the need to declare, every other day and on every group where I know others know me (and often well) that I am fully sighted.

           No one can say that I have been anything but forthcoming about that.  And you know that as well as anyone.

           And I certainly feel no need to announce my sighted status when it is not germane, and expecting someone to click-through on a link that contains exactly what they asked about certainly has nothing to do with whether I am sighted or they are sighted.  It's simply what you do, not comment that the silver platter that the information was presented on was not quite shiny enough.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: google home number

Gene
 

I'll make the following observations:
I used to do that sort of thing years ago but all I do now is explain what I did at times, such as I'll say, a search for this or that showed the following result or I may explain how to do something using a program but not say anything directive other than perhaps to say it is a good way to do whatever is being discussed or explain why it is better than other ways I've tried to do something, if I have tried others and if this way is better.

For whatever reason, going farther causes many people to feel as though they are being pressured to do something and it causes contention on lists, at least on lists primarily of blind users. I haven't been on primarily sighted lists where this sort of thing has come up.

I believe that one useful function of lists like this is to give people more confidence and help them learn that they can do things they may not have realized they can do. many people are somewhat afraid of computers and if lists like this lessen fear and increase confidence, that's a useful function. and speaking specifically of many blind people, due to inadequate or poor training, lists like this may help develop knowledge and confidence they might have gotten from training, but didn't. But since I have found that attempts to do so, if expressed in certain ways, regardless of intent, cause contention and misunderstandings, I avoid those ways.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 3:11 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] google home number

So what exactly, is wrong with my statement of a truth Brian?

Why does it seem to upset you so?

Laz

On 10/19/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Laz,

I can count on less than two hands the names I'm seeing on this group that I
do not see, regularly, on several others. I do not feel the need to
declare, every other day and on every group where I know others know me (and
often well) that I am fully sighted.

No one can say that I have been anything but forthcoming about that. And
you know that as well as anyone.

And I certainly feel no need to announce my sighted status when it is not
germane, and expecting someone to click-through on a link that contains
exactly what they asked about certainly has nothing to do with whether I am
sighted or they are sighted. It's simply what you do, not comment that the
silver platter that the information was presented on was not quite shiny
enough.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

*Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.*

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com






Something interesting that may be of importance

Gene
 

I have recently had an intermittent problem with Windows Live Mail but what I found out may be of benefit to people using other programs as well.

Now and then, I can't navigate around the program. If I check, it is still maximized, as it was but the solution I've found is to restore it, then maximize it again.

If others find themselves in such a situation, trying this with the program involved may solve the problem, whether it occurs again or not. It takes almost no time and even if it recurrs off and on, it is just a very minor nuisance.

To restore the program, use the command alt space, hold alt and press space. Then type r. To maximize the program, use alt space, then type x. If the program is not maximized as you usually use it, try maximizing it at first, then either leave it that way or restore it again if you wish.

Gene


Re: google home number

Laz
 

So what exactly, is wrong with my statement of a truth Brian?

Why does it seem to upset you so?

Laz

On 10/19/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Laz,

I can count on less than two hands the names I'm seeing on this group that I
do not see, regularly, on several others. I do not feel the need to
declare, every other day and on every group where I know others know me (and
often well) that I am fully sighted.

No one can say that I have been anything but forthcoming about that. And
you know that as well as anyone.

And I certainly feel no need to announce my sighted status when it is not
germane, and expecting someone to click-through on a link that contains
exactly what they asked about certainly has nothing to do with whether I am
sighted or they are sighted. It's simply what you do, not comment that the
silver platter that the information was presented on was not quite shiny
enough.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

*Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely
fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.*

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com






Re: google home number

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Laz,

           I can count on less than two hands the names I'm seeing on this group that I do not see, regularly, on several others.  I do not feel the need to declare, every other day and on every group where I know others know me (and often well) that I am fully sighted.

           No one can say that I have been anything but forthcoming about that.  And you know that as well as anyone.

           And I certainly feel no need to announce my sighted status when it is not germane, and expecting someone to click-through on a link that contains exactly what they asked about certainly has nothing to do with whether I am sighted or they are sighted.  It's simply what you do, not comment that the silver platter that the information was presented on was not quite shiny enough.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

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