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Re: frustrated with edge

Kimsan
 

I never said alt d copied text, I said accessing the address bar which alt d didn't work.

Kimsan Song
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 7:06 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

Alt d never copies text. It moves you to the address bar in the browsers I've used. Control c copies text.

I haven't used Edge and unless someone can tell me meaningful advantages of doing so, I see no reason to. the Brave browser is, very likely a better browser. It helps you hnot be tracked, it substitutes its own ads for web site adevertisements and the ads aren't targeted, and the web site receives money from the ads the Brave browser shows, thus not just blocking ads, but paying sites. It is attempting to have an ethical way of dealing with advertising. And it is much faster at loading pages because it loads it own ads and doesn't load nearly as much material.

You can downloade it at:
https://brave.com/


-----Original Message-----

Gene
From: Kimsan via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 4:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge



Hi,

So many things I cannot do with edge that I could do with other browsers. Is there a setting I need to change on edge?

Here are some examples of basic things I’m trying to do.

Copy text from a website, and accessing the address bar which I thought alt d would do the trick but when I do alt d, nothing.

Any assistance is always appreciated.

Thank you,



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@icloud.com

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

That may be one reason why they allow some advertising.  But this page states their reasons, as they present them to the public and whatever the motivation, I consider the reasoning to be sound.  And the user can prevent all ads if desired. 

https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads


Gene

On 10/25/2020 12:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
Even the developers of this popular ad blocker recognize the need for reciprocity.
-
You're thinking of Ad Block Plus.  And it had nothing to do with reciprocity.  They started allowing "non-intrusive" advertising through to fund themselves.  And if you don't believe me you can find tons of old discussion in the tech press and various forums about this.

It's why uBlock Origin and a couple of other ad blockers came into existence, and why Brave has strict ad blocking as its default state (and it's not the only one, either).

We will never agree on this, so this will be my last comment on the matter.  I have no issue with anyone blocking ads on their own machine as they see fit, ethical issues or otherwise.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: frustrated with edge

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 01:09 PM, Gene wrote:
Even the developers of this popular ad blocker recognize the need for reciprocity.
-
You're thinking of Ad Block Plus.  And it had nothing to do with reciprocity.  They started allowing "non-intrusive" advertising through to fund themselves.  And if you don't believe me you can find tons of old discussion in the tech press and various forums about this.

It's why uBlock Origin and a couple of other ad blockers came into existence, and why Brave has strict ad blocking as its default state (and it's not the only one, either).

We will never agree on this, so this will be my last comment on the matter.  I have no issue with anyone blocking ads on their own machine as they see fit, ethical issues or otherwise.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

I think it depends on how much text you are copying. For copying a number of lines, it is more simple to copy in the usual way. You can copy by line and edit what you don't want after pasting it somewhere. If you are copying a lot of text, perhaps a number of paragraphs, the temporary marker method may be easier, especially since, evidently, you can use the screen-reader's find command to move to the end of what you are copying, if you know what that is, and set the end marker there.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 12:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


Ron and All,

There's a much better and easier way of copying amounts of text from a website or from documents. The steps are below my note.

Note, In your browsers quick settings if you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight option, this copies the text with formatting.


A More Flexible Way to Copy Web Content to the Clipboard is using a temporary placemarker.

In addition to using standard selection commands to select and copy content from a Web page into the clipboard JAWS has another method for selecting text. However, the steps to do this must be followed just as below in order for this feature to work. Here is
how you must do it.

1. Move the virtual cursor to the beginning of the block of text you’d like to copy. I usually do this at the beginning of the block of text but I believe
that you can start at the end of the block.

2. Press ctrl+Windows+K. This sets a temporary place marker at the location of the virtual cursor.

3. Move the virtual cursor to the end of the block of text to be copied.

4. Press the layered keystroke insert+spacebar.

5. Press the letter M (for mark.)

6. Press ctrl+C to copy the block of text to the clipboard.

7. Now you can paste this wherever you want.

From: Marquette, Ed
In fact, the Windows key is employed with a number of fantastic JAWS keystrokes. One which I have come to use on an hourly basis is control plus windows
plus k to mark a spot in a word document.
One may later jump back to that spot instantly with just windows plus k; however, even more cool is the ability, in Word, to mark text from your cursor
to the marked spot, and it doesn't matter whether, in the document, your cursor is ahead of the marked spot or behind it or whether it is 4 words or 40
pages away. You mark text back to the marked spot with JAWS key plus space bar and then m.
Then, you can use control c to copy or control x to cut or windows c to append.
Try it! You'll like it!
Ed


Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Canazzi
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

I should have said shift + page down to select approximately 25 lines of text.



On 10/25/2020 9:01 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:

To copy text from a web page, load the page and press selection keys (control + A select all, shift + down arrow as many times as you need to copy a number of lines, control + page down for approximately 25 lines and so on) followed by control + C. Then paste to where ever you want.
There are three basic ways to show the address bar: alt + D, control + L and the F6 key. I use the F6 key because pressing it again takes you back to exactly where you where before you pressed it.

Why none of this is working for you I can't say.



On 10/25/2020 5:20 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:


Hi,

So many things I cannot do with edge that I could do with other browsers. Is there a setting I need to change on edge?

Here are some examples of basic things I’m trying to do.

Copy text from a website, and accessing the address bar which I thought alt d would do the trick but when I do alt d, nothing.

Any assistance is always appreciated.

Thank you,



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@icloud.com

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng




-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

I don't believe it is ethical to block proper advertising when you are getting the content without charge. That isn't any kind of reciprocity. It is taking something for free and not compensating the site. If the site charges, that's different. its because sites don't charge that there is so much advertising. Paying for Internet service is irrelevant. You are paying for access to the Internet. That is a payment to your service provider and has nothing to do with web sites.

But sites don't have the right to go beyond a certain point in advertising. And that is why I say the Brave browser is a much more ethical way of dealing with advertising than just blocking it.

I don't know what ad blockers do in general. I know a popular one, I don't remember the name now, blocks a lot of bad advertising. It does allow some sites advertisements through under certain conditions. The user can block all ads, but that isn't the default.

Even the developers of this popular ad blocker recognize the need for reciprocity.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 11:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM, Gene wrote:
Since sites are paid by Brave through nontargeted ads being shown, that is a much more ethical way to deal with advertising than just blocking it.-
And my point is that there is nothing unethical about an end user blocking it. I pay for my internet service, I pay for my computer, I do have the absolute right to determine what I do and do not choose to look at.

It is not my fault if the current business model is an "eyeball counter via presentation" model. And that's really not my concern. The owners of websites actually do have the power to insist this not be the case, and that's the only way change will be made.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: frustrated with edge

Mike B.
 

Ron and All,
 
There's a much better and easier way of copying amounts of text from a website or from documents.  The steps are below my note.
 
Note, In your browsers quick settings if you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
If you choose the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 
A More Flexible Way to Copy Web Content to the Clipboard is using a temporary placemarker.
 
 In addition to using standard selection commands to select and copy content from a Web page into the clipboard JAWS has another method for selecting text. However, the steps to do this must be followed just as below in order for this feature to work. Here is
how you must do it.
 
1. Move the virtual cursor to the beginning of the block of text you’d like to copy. I usually do this at the beginning of the block of text but I believe
that you can start at the end of the block.
 
2. Press ctrl+Windows+K. This sets a temporary place marker at the location of the virtual cursor.
 
3. Move the virtual cursor to the end of the block of text to be copied.
 
4. Press the layered keystroke insert+spacebar.
 
5. Press the letter M (for mark.)
 
6. Press ctrl+C to copy the block of text to the clipboard.
 
7. Now you can paste this wherever you want.
 
From: Marquette, Ed
In fact, the Windows key is employed with a number of fantastic JAWS keystrokes.  One which I have come to use on an hourly basis is control plus windows
plus k to mark a spot in a word document.
One may later jump back to that spot instantly with just windows plus k; however, even more cool is the ability, in Word, to mark text from your cursor
to the marked spot, and it doesn't matter whether, in the document, your cursor is ahead of the marked spot or behind it or whether it is 4 words or 40
pages away.  You mark text back to the marked spot with JAWS key plus space bar and then m.
Then, you can use control c to copy or control x to cut or windows c to append.
Try it!  You'll like it!
Ed 

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

I should have said shift + page down to select approximately 25 lines of text.


On 10/25/2020 9:01 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hello:

To copy text from a web page, load the page and press selection keys (control + A select all, shift + down arrow as many times as you need to copy a number of lines, control + page down for approximately 25 lines and so on) followed by control + C.  Then paste to where ever you want.
There are three basic ways to show the address bar: alt + D, control + L and the F6 key. I use the F6 key because pressing it again takes you back to exactly where you where before you pressed it.

Why none of this is working for you I can't say.


On 10/25/2020 5:20 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:

Hi,

So many things I cannot do with edge that I could do with other browsers. Is there a setting I need to change on edge?

Here are some examples of basic things I’m trying to do.

Copy text from a website, and accessing the address bar which I thought alt d would do the trick but when I do alt d, nothing.

Any assistance is always appreciated.

Thank you,

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

And it copies almost every announcement the user leaves on such as bloc quote, end of block quote, list, end of embedded list, heading, which is a really bad idea to include in copied text.

I'm not sure which is the default now. There may be times when copying text from a web page that it is better read by a blind user when using the copy from Virtual PC Cursor setting. It often makes no difference. It often is worse for blind and sighted readers of copied text alike. It serves no purpose to hear start of list with five items for a blind user or to read it in Braille output. This isn't a web page you are navigating, it is copied text dealing with something discussed on the page. nor does it accomplish anything for a sighted user to see such announcements.

I don't use JAWS nor Edge, but I doubt that JAWS would have an available setting for copy text from web page if it didn't work in Edge. I would expect it either not to be shown or to be disabled if it didn't work. In short, if the default is copy from web page, I don't think changing this should be advised except as a diagnostic test to see if text can be copied using the virtuaal PC cursor setting. If Edge really won't allow text to be copied from the web page, that is a significant limitation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 11:46 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
This is the setting you're referring to, choosing the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight option, this copies the text with formatting.



Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

Are you saying that JAWS won't copy from the web page if you choose that
setting using Edge? Copying from the virtual PC cursor may be what people
want to use in general, but the other option, copying from the web page, I
don't remember what JAWS calls it, is important if you are ssharing
something with a sighted person and want it to look as much like the web
page as that setting allows.

Also, if you copy from the virtual PC cursor, all the useless nonsense so
many people allow such as start of list, end of list, start bloc quote, end
bloc quote, and everything else that is just clutter when reading, will be
included in the copy. Some people may want such information when navigating
a web page, but in copied text, its just clutter. I don't want to impose it
on blind people for no reason, nor on sighted people.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


When you have Edge open put in a search term and press enter to get a page
loaded or you won't get the correct options showing in the next step.
Now press, Insert + V, to open the quick settings.

Down arrow to Virtual cursor options and right arrow to open if it's closed.

Down arrow to Select and copy... if it says Select and copy from Virtual
cursor you're good, but if it says anything else press the spacebar to
toggle through the settings until Jaws reports Select and copy from virtual
cursor, now tab to Okay and press enter to save / close.

Down arrow to find

Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government
program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 2:20 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


Hi,

So many things I cannot do with edge that I could do with other browsers. Is
there a setting I need to change on edge?

Here are some examples of basic things I'm trying to do.

Copy text from a website, and accessing the address bar which I thought alt
d would do the trick but when I do alt d, nothing.

Any assistance is always appreciated.

Thank you,



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@icloud.com

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng


Re: frustrated with edge

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM, Gene wrote:
Since sites are paid by Brave through nontargeted ads being shown, that is a much more ethical way to deal with advertising than just blocking it.
-
And my point is that there is nothing unethical about an end user blocking it.  I pay for my internet service, I pay for my computer, I do have the absolute right to determine what I do and do not choose to look at.

It is not my fault if the current business model is an "eyeball counter via presentation" model.  And that's really not my concern.  The owners of websites actually do have the power to insist this not be the case, and that's the only way change will be made.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


facebook changed

andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86@...>
 

Hi hope this email finds you well.

Has facebook changed their lay out or something as something seems
different these days.
I been going to the m.facebook.com page through internet explorer but
anyway in the last week or so I have noticed that the things have
changed the layout or something has seemed different that is. Has
facebook changed or has internet explorer changed if that can't work
anymore to go through internet explorer what brouser should I use
facebook through. just that the page seems different.


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

My point is that the Brave browser doesn't track you and it blocks a lot of gtrackers web sites put on many browsers. Firefox blocks a lot of trackers as well. Brave doesn't display target advertising which requires the user being tracked. Since sites are paid by Brave through nontargeted ads being shown, that is a much more ethical way to deal with advertising than just blocking it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 11:37 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:24 PM, Gene wrote:
Sites do deserve to make money from advertising.-
Which should come from their allowing the ad to be placed, much like newspapers used to work, but not whether the ad is actually displayed/looked at, much like newspapers used to work.

No one should be obligated to look at an ad they do not wish to see before the entity distributing it is paid for the privilege of being willing to distribute it. That's how the money should be made. In the cyber world you have never been able to guarantee "eyes on," and that's the same as it's always been in print media (at least for those of us who are sighted and instantly recognize something as "ad" and literally ignore it with nothing more than the recognition it can be ignored).

But that's a philosophical discussion regarding what's wrong with the business model for internet advertising. I don't think most would have objected to it, nor tried to block it, if it were innocuous text and graphics, placed on a page, much like newspapers and other periodicals used to do. But the blinking, scrolling, flashing, inclusion of audio playing without warning, etc., etc., etc., is what gave rise to ad blocking. And I don't feel the slightest twinge of guilt for using it. My mental health and cognitive energies take precedence.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: has anyone used a couponing program called Honey

Hope Williamson
 

It's a browser extension. You'll need to download and install it. I've used it once a while ago, but worried about the  privacy implications. It did work fine for me when I used it, but that was a couple years ago.

On 10/25/2020 8:41 AM, joanne wrote:
I saw this site called honey, which says that when you make online purchases you can get coupons from Honey that lowers the price of items in your cart. Using jaws 19 and windows 7, and pretty much always using Brave Browser, I wondered if anyone has used this and how it's done. I know it may not be available for all online stores, which I'm also not sure how to find out. I just didn't know if it should be open first and you type in your store on honey's site, or if you somehow open the honey site upon purchase from the actual store's site. Thanks for any assistance.


Re: frustrated with edge

Mike B.
 

 If you choose the, From Virtual Cursor option, this will copy the text without formatting.
This is the setting you're referring to, choosing the, Full Content Using Onscreen Highlight  option, this copies the text with formatting. 
 

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge

Are you saying that JAWS won't copy from the web page if you choose that
setting using Edge?  Copying from the virtual PC cursor may be what people
want to use in general, but the other option, copying from the web page, I
don't remember what JAWS calls it, is important if you are ssharing
something with a sighted person and want it to look as much like the web
page as that setting allows.

Also, if you copy from the virtual PC cursor, all the useless nonsense so
many people allow such as start of list, end of list, start bloc quote, end
bloc quote, and everything else that is just clutter when reading, will be
included in the copy.  Some people may want such information when navigating
a web page, but in copied text, its just clutter.  I don't want to impose it
on blind people for no reason, nor on sighted people.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


When you have Edge open put in a search term and press enter to get a page
loaded or you won't get the correct options showing in the next step.
Now press, Insert + V, to open the quick settings.

Down arrow to Virtual cursor options and right arrow to open if it's closed.

Down arrow to Select and copy... if it says Select and copy from Virtual
cursor you're good, but if it says anything else press the spacebar to
toggle through the settings until Jaws reports Select and copy from virtual
cursor, now tab to Okay and press enter to save / close.

Down arrow to find

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government
program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 2:20 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


Hi,

So many things I cannot do with edge that I could do with other browsers. Is
there a setting I need to change on edge?

Here are some examples of basic things I'm trying to do.

Copy text from a website, and accessing the address bar which I thought alt
d would do the trick but when I do alt d, nothing.

Any assistance is always appreciated.

Thank you,



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng



 






Re: frustrated with edge

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 12:24 PM, Gene wrote:
Sites do deserve to make money from advertising.
-
Which should come from their allowing the ad to be placed, much like newspapers used to work, but not whether the ad is actually displayed/looked at, much like newspapers used to work.

No one should be obligated to look at an ad they do not wish to see before the entity distributing it is paid for the privilege of being willing to distribute it.  That's how the money should be made.  In the cyber world you have never been able to guarantee "eyes on," and that's the same as it's always been in print media (at least for those of us who are sighted and instantly recognize something as "ad" and literally ignore it with nothing more than the recognition it can be ignored).

But that's a philosophical discussion regarding what's wrong with the business model for internet advertising.  I don't think most would have objected to it, nor tried to block it, if it were innocuous text and graphics, placed on a page, much like newspapers and other periodicals used to do.  But the blinking, scrolling, flashing, inclusion of audio playing without warning, etc., etc., etc., is what gave rise to ad blocking.  And I don't feel the slightest twinge of guilt for using it.  My mental health and cognitive energies take precedence.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

I'm not sure how to set the Brave browser to allow their own ads to be displayed.  You may have to do something to allow sites to be paid.  I read instructions but I couldn't figure out how to turn the features on I wanted to turn on.  What I read wasn't clear enough to let me know if accessibility had anything to do with the problem or not.  Others may know how to do these things.  If they can be done, I consider the Brave way of dealing with advertising to be more ethical than using an ad blocker with another browser.  Sites do deserve to make money from advertising.  but the amount of tracking that is done is an invasion of privacy. 


Gene

On 10/25/2020 10:52 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 10:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Brave browser is, very likely a better browser. It helps you hnot be tracked, it substitutes its own ads for web site adevertisements
-
Only if you do the gyrations for Brave Rewards to allow that.  The normal behavior is ad-blocking, which is but one of the reasons I love Brave.

But one can use uBlock Origin in any Chromium-based browser that does not do its own ad-blocking or substitution if one wishes, and it does result in a zippier web browsing experience.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: has anyone used a couponing program called Honey

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi, I use to similar add-ons for firefox, PriceBlink and Keepa. Both works fine with NVDA for me.

 

 

 

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From: joanne
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 6:41 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] has anyone used a couponing program called Honey

 

I saw this site called honey, which says that when you make online purchases you can get coupons from Honey that lowers the price of items in your cart. Using jaws 19 and windows 7, and pretty much always using Brave Browser, I wondered if anyone has used this and how it's done. I know it may not be available for all online stores, which I'm also not sure how to find out. I just didn't know if it should be open first and you type in your store on honey's site, or if you somehow open the honey site upon purchase from the actual store's site. Thanks for any assistance.

 


Re: has anyone used a couponing program called Honey

Rich DeSteno
 

We had it installed about a year ago and it generated pop-ups and screen messages that totally interfered with my screen-reading software, so out it went! I do not know if it still operates the same way or not.


On 10/25/2020 11:41 AM, joanne wrote:
I saw this site called honey, which says that when you make online purchases you can get coupons from Honey that lowers the price of items in your cart. Using jaws 19 and windows 7, and pretty much always using Brave Browser, I wondered if anyone has used this and how it's done. I know it may not be available for all online stores, which I'm also not sure how to find out. I just didn't know if it should be open first and you type in your store on honey's site, or if you somehow open the honey site upon purchase from the actual store's site. Thanks for any assistance.
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Rich De Steno


Re: frustrated with edge

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

By the way, what version of Edge is being talked about in the original message?

There are still some machines out there that, for whatever reason, never got the update from Edge Original to the new Chromium-based edge, and the behavior of the two is very different in a number of respects.  If hitting ALT+F gets you to the Edge menu then you have the new Chromium-based Edge.  If it doesn't, you're still on Edge Original (and if memory serves ALT+X brings up the Edge menu).

If you have Edge Original ditch it, as it's being ditched entirely by Microsoft with the 20H2 feature update.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: frustrated with edge

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 10:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Brave browser is, very likely a better browser. It helps you hnot be tracked, it substitutes its own ads for web site adevertisements
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Only if you do the gyrations for Brave Rewards to allow that.  The normal behavior is ad-blocking, which is but one of the reasons I love Brave.

But one can use uBlock Origin in any Chromium-based browser that does not do its own ad-blocking or substitution if one wishes, and it does result in a zippier web browsing experience.

 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


has anyone used a couponing program called Honey

joanne
 

I saw this site called honey, which says that when you make online purchases you can get coupons from Honey that lowers the price of items in your cart. Using jaws 19 and windows 7, and pretty much always using Brave Browser, I wondered if anyone has used this and how it's done. I know it may not be available for all online stores, which I'm also not sure how to find out. I just didn't know if it should be open first and you type in your store on honey's site, or if you somehow open the honey site upon purchase from the actual store's site. Thanks for any assistance.


Re: frustrated with edge

Gene
 

Are you saying that JAWS won't copy from the web page if you choose that setting using Edge? Copying from the virtual PC cursor may be what people want to use in general, but the other option, copying from the web page, I don't remember what JAWS calls it, is important if you are ssharing something with a sighted person and want it to look as much like the web page as that setting allows.

Also, if you copy from the virtual PC cursor, all the useless nonsense so many people allow such as start of list, end of list, start bloc quote, end bloc quote, and everything else that is just clutter when reading, will be included in the copy. Some people may want such information when navigating a web page, but in copied text, its just clutter. I don't want to impose it on blind people for no reason, nor on sighted people.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 8:40 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


When you have Edge open put in a search term and press enter to get a page loaded or you won't get the correct options showing in the next step.
Now press, Insert + V, to open the quick settings.

Down arrow to Virtual cursor options and right arrow to open if it's closed.

Down arrow to Select and copy... if it says Select and copy from Virtual cursor you're good, but if it says anything else press the spacebar to toggle through the settings until Jaws reports Select and copy from virtual cursor, now tab to Okay and press enter to save / close.

Down arrow to find

Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go dodgers & Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2020 2:20 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] frustrated with edge


Hi,

So many things I cannot do with edge that I could do with other browsers. Is there a setting I need to change on edge?

Here are some examples of basic things I’m trying to do.

Copy text from a website, and accessing the address bar which I thought alt d would do the trick but when I do alt d, nothing.

Any assistance is always appreciated.

Thank you,



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