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Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Quentin,

           Thank you very much for "solving the mystery" I had not yet solved with regard to using object navigation to activate that button.  The text report format, and the range of available formats in text, from SpaceSniffer are definitely more screen reader user friendly than what comes in PDF from TreeSize Free.

           Although I have played with it some, object navigation still remains a personal weak point in my NVDA world.  I just don't seem to get the relationships between objects in any clear way.

           By the way, you may be able to explain this to me, why is it that NVDA "gets trapped" in the report preview part of the ScreenSniffer report generation process if you tab into it.  Once I do that I cannot extract myself no matter what I do.  I have to either close that window and start again or resort to sighted point and click to force my way out of that text box.  This is not something I've encountered before.  I could be doing something entirely wrong, but I have absolutely no idea what that might be.
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This week on Eyes On Success: Music Lessons By Ear

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This week’s episode of Eyes On Success is:

2045 Music Lessons By Ear (Nov. 4, 2020)
Show Notes
Have you ever wanted to play a musical instrument but never got around to it? No matter how well you see it can be done. Hosts Nancy and Peter Torpey talk with Bill Brown, founder of Music for the Blind, about the wide range of audio courses he offers for many instruments based on playing by ear. Lessons are available either to download or on CD.

 

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Re: NVDA, A Space Hog

Quentin Christensen
 

I had a look at the first option Brian suggested: SpaceSniffer

The download page is:
http://www.uderzo.it/main_products/space_sniffer/download.html

The direct download is:
https://www.fosshub.com/SpaceSniffer.html?dwl=spacesniffer_1_3_0_2.zip

Brian is right, everything up to actually saving the report is accessible.  I did manage to save the report using object navigation: So, first run a report, then:
1. Press "Next object" command: NVDA+numpad 6 (NVDA+shift+right arrow) until the focus goes past the vertical and horizontal scrollbars to the "Toolbar".  Note that if you go to previous object you will eventually get to another toolbar - that is a DIFFERENT toolbar!
2. On the toolbar, press Move to first contained object (NVDA+2 or NVDA+shift+down arrow).  The object navigator goes to "button".
3. Press "Move mouse to current navigator object" (NVDA+numpad divide or NVDA+shift+m).
4. Press the left mouse button click (numpad divide or NVDA+[)

That opens a file save dialog where you can specify where to save the file.

Otherwise, yes maybe use Tree Size Free *grin*

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 5:09 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Joe, this is going to have to be a collaborative effort due to a couple of complications.   SpaceSniffer is able to generate a text report, but believe it or not, it's entirely accessible until you hit the screen where you generate it.  I can't find any way to activate the Export button on that page with a screen reader.

TreeSize Free generates an exported PDF report, which most don't like, but I just found that its actual space analysis report in the program appears to be accessible, so you can go down through it line by line there once its done the scan.  Here's what I've put together as the "tutorial starter" and you'll need to give me feedback regarding what happens after the report is up and you've attempted to read through it to see what's hogging the space.  It could go perfectly smoothly or you could hit bumps.  It's your job to report back about that.
-----------------------------------

TreeSize Free Download Page – You can select either the installable version or portable version from the dropdown on that page.  Either will get the information you  need.  There is also a cluster of 3 radio buttons to indicate the region of the world for which you’re downloading:  North America/Europe/Other, followed by the Download Button.

This tutorial will presume you’ve downloaded the portable version (ZIP format) and have already unzipped it to the folder from which you wish to run the program and are sitting in that folder.

1.       Fire up TreeSizeFree.exe.

2.       Hit ALT+S,D [Scan Tab/Ribbon, Select Directory], you will then be presented with your drive options as well as a Select Directory to Scan option at the end of the submenu.  Pick what’s appropriate for what you’re doing.  I will choose a directory for the rest of this tutorial, and that directory will end up being C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA.  If you use the directory option you will be presented with a typical File Explorer navigation dialog to select the folder you want.  You can, of course, type out the path in the Folder edit box if you know it.  The choice is yours.  As soon as you've selected/typed a folder hit the Select Folder button and the scan begins.

3.       If you keep focus on the TreeSizeFree window it will begin reading out the result of its analysis when it finishes, and for folder that will be very quickly.  What starts the report is the folder or drive level you chose to scan.  Down arrowing will take you through the various subfolders and files associated with it, reading out names, sizes, etc.

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Re: please help me figure out my firefox

Nancy Shackelford
 

I haven't used Firefox in a while, but you might try maximizing the
page, then get into the settings for the browser and see what you
might change.
Nance

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please help me figure out my firefox

trinh martin
 

Hi friends

I am having problems with my firefox.  I used to be able to go on it and arrow down to read with Jaws.  Now, I can only tab and it doesn't read everything that I need.  I use firefox a lot, but now can't because it won't let me use the normal jaws commands.  Has firefox changed or is there something I need to do with my jaws? Thanks for any help.

Trinh


Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

enes sarıbaş
 

Ok Brian, I do not know about business machines, or professional laptops.  I was primarily reading gaming machine reviews these days.  I assumed what I was reading generalized to other types of machines.

On 11/3/2020 10:07 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 07:28 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
eluktronics rp15
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Gaming PCs are a thing of their own.  There is a missing enter on the number pad, there is not a missing plus, it's just not a huge key, like it typically is on more "office task oriented" machines (and where a large NumPad Enter generally exists just beneath that extra large plus key).

You don't seem to get my points, ever.  It's not about you, or what you want to do.  I agree wholeheartedly that any individual should do exactly as they see fit.  What I have a problem with is that you are willing to misrepresent what is common versus what is not.  That is a huge problem secondary to your claims about the keyboard layouts of the vast majority of laptops 15.6" and above.  Your statements do not match objective reality.  You had to dig up a brand most of us have never heard of, and that is a gaming machine, to prove your point.
 
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Finding the "Unread" messages in Outlook 365?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Vicky,

           You're quite welcome.  If you this up, would you mind reporting back regarding whether or not you occasionally have the error dialog pop up about not being able to find the next unread message?  I'm curious to learn whether this is happening elsewhere.  If it's not, then I might try turning off the preview pane and see if that makes it stop occurring.
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Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Finding the "Unread" messages in Outlook 365?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Thank you very much Brian for your very clear instructions. 

 

Sincerely, Vicky V

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 12:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Finding the "Unread" messages in Outlook 365?

 

I decided to put together that tutorial since I know this will eventually come up again.
-------------------------------------------

Adding the Next Unread Item Button to your Messages Tab/Ribbon in Outlook


It can be quite handy if you want to shoot straight to the next unread message rather than having to hunt for it.

What follows presumes you are using Outlook 2016 and later.  It may apply to earlier versions, but has not been tested on same.

You should be in the message reading window for any message of your choosing before starting.  It may be possible to add this control elsewhere if you’re using the Preview Pane, but I have not tested that, either.

To Add the Next Unread Item Button:

1.       Gain focus on any individual control in the Message Ribbon, it does not matter which one.  ALT+H, Down Arrow will do for getting you on the Ignore control, the first in the ribbon.

2.       Bring up the context menu by the method of your choosing, whether Right Click, SHIFT+F10, or the applications/context menu key and choose the Customize the Ribbon option.  This will cause Outlook Options to open with focus on the Customize Ribbon Pane, which is insanely complex.  If you wish to explore it, feel free to do so, but the remainder of these instructions will focus exclusively on what you need to do next to get the control you’re looking for into its own group and on to your Message Ribbon.

3.      Tab into the pane, and in the Choose Commands from dropdown, choose the Commands Not in the Ribbon option.  A long list, in alphabetical order, now appears below.  You are looking for the item in the list named, Next Unread Item, which you will select.

4.      Now you will navigate over to the list, already showing, under the Customize the Ribbon dropdown which is showing the Main Tabs, and gain focus on and select the Message tab, which is first in the list.  Then navigate to the New Group button and activate it.  You must create a new group to place any commands not normally on the ribbon in to.

5.      A new group, initially named, New Group (Custom), will be created as the rightmost group in the Message Tab/Ribbon.  I want a meaningful name, so I immediately navigate to and activate the Rename button, and change the name to Message Jump Navigation.  You can, of course, choose any name that’s meaningful to you.

6.      Navigate to and activate the Add button.  Since focus was already established on the  Next Unread Item command in the first list, and focus remains on the newly created group in the second, this will cause Next Unread Item to be placed in the newly created Message Jump Navigation group.

7.      Navigate to and activate the OK button.

You now have the Next Unread Item control in your Message Tab/Ribbon.  In my case, and I’d presume it will be the same for everyone, the keyboard shortcut is ALT+H,Y.  On occasion, when I activate this control, I get an error dialog box that reads, “Cannot open the next item. Sorry we’re having trouble opening this item. This could be temporary, but if you see it again you might want to restart Outlook.”  I have never been able to figure out exactly when it will pop up.  In virtually all cases if I click OK to close it and issue the Next Unread Item command again, it works just fine.

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Re: n v d a remote

A.Mac
 

tankyou

On 03/11/2020 10:28, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
You find a detailed walkthru in the documentation of NVDA addons. Install NVDA remote, then oben NVDA menu with NVDA-n, go to tools and select manage addons. In this windows which lists all of your installed addons go to remote support and tab to the help button and your tutorial is in front of you 😊

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Sent: Montag, 2. November 2020 22:27
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Subject: [TechTalk] n v d a remote

hi all, has any one got a tutorial on n v d a remote please.



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Re: JAWS2021 Beta 3 Download Link + What's New

Mike B
 

Yo Kimsan,
 
Here's Sharky explained:
 
New Voice Assistant to Help with Various JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion Commands and Features
 
The new Voice Assistant provides a way to interact with JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion in Windows 10 using speech input. Supported languages include English,
Dutch, German, Spanish, and French. Ask it to help you out with various JAWS or ZoomText features using natural speech. This means that the same action
can be performed by more than one similar phrase instead of a single predefined voice command. For instance, to launch JAWS Settings Center, you could
say "Settings Center" or "change settings." Unlike keyboard shortcuts, which can be hard to remember, natural voice commands are an easier way to interact
with the JAWS or ZoomText software. Using voice input to control JAWS or ZoomText can also benefit users with certain conditions which prevent them from
using a keyboard effectively.
 
The JAWS Voice Assistant uses your computer's internal microphone or you can talk to it using an external microphone or headset. To tell the Voice Assistant
to begin listening for a specific command, there are three options:
 
list of 2 items
• Press the key combination, INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR (CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR for ZoomText and Fusion).
• Speak a specific wake word which alerts to software to begin listening for a voice command, similar to using an Alexa or Google Home device. The wake
word is "Sharky" for JAWS and "Zoomy" for ZoomText and Fusion. Speak this word followed by a specific JAWS or ZoomText command, such as, "Sharky, list
links," or "Zoomy, increase zoom level."
list end
 
Note: The wake word is not available if you are using a Bluetooth microphone. In this case, you must use the keystroke before speaking the voice command.
 
list of 1 items
• From the JAWS main window, press ALT+U to open the Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Talk to JAWS. From the ZoomText
or Fusion main window, select Talk to ZoomText.
list end
 
When the Voice Assistant starts listening for a voice command, a short audio indicator plays, and a visual indicator is displayed. After hearing a voice
command, a different audio indicator plays until the command is processed. After processing, the visual indicator is removed, a different, short, audio
indicator plays, and the desired JAWS or ZoomText action is performed.
 
If the Voice Assistant does not hear anything, the message, "Sorry, I didn’t hear anything" is spoken. If the Voice Assistant does not understand or if
the voice command is not supported, the message, "Sorry, I didn’t catch that" is spoken.
 
Note: Since all voice recognition processing is performed over the Internet using Microsoft Services in the cloud, there will be a slight delay depending
on your connection. Be patient and experiment with different commands. This is a new technology being added to our software products and will continue
to change and evolve over time. We welcome your suggestions and feedback.
 
To turn off the Voice Assistant or change other options, such as whether or not JAWS or ZoomText listens for the wake word or to turn off the sounds, do
one of the following:
 
list of 2 items
• For JAWS, open the JAWS Utilities menu, expand the Voice Assistant submenu, and then select Settings.
• For ZoomText or Fusion, select the Tools tab, press DOWN ARROW on the Voice Assistant drop down button, and select Settings.
list end
 
To learn more and to view a full list of voice commands for specific actions, say "Sharky, help," or "Zoomy, help." You can also select Getting Started
from the Voice Assistant menu.
 
Here are a few commands you can try to help you get started.
 
For JAWS (Remember to say "Sharky" or press INSERT+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
• Help
• Talk faster
• Talk slower
• Change settings
• Command search
• What time is it
• OCR PDF
• List links
• List headings
• List spelling errors
list end
 
For ZoomText or Fusion (Remember to say "Zoomy" or press CAPS LOCK+ALT+SPACEBAR before speaking each command):
 
list of 10 items
• Increase zoom level
• Zoom out
• Set zoom level to 5
• Where is my focus
• What time is it
• Activate speech
• Talk faster
• Open Reader app view
• Launch finder
• Change the color enhancement scheme
list end

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] JAWS2021 Beta 3 Download Link + What's New

I can’t believe the hey sharky thing, so does it randomly out of the blue tell you a joke, or is there a layered keystroke. Or do we use cortana to tell us a joke.

 

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 8:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] JAWS2021 Beta 3 Download Link + What's New

 

Oh hell yes!  Now you can hear a dumb ass joke while you're trying to get Research It to work!  LOL  LOL 


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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 7:24 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] JAWS2021 Beta 3 Download Link + What's New

 

Sharky? Really?

 

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 1:27 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] JAWS2021 Beta 3 Download Link + What's New

 

Hi All,

 

Okay, below is the Beta 3 download link for 32 and 64 bit systems, the Beta 3 report form link and what's new in the Beta 3 J2021.2010.47release.


Beta 3 32 and 64 Bit Download Link:

 

 

Beta Report Form Link:

 

 

What's new in Beta 3 for Jaws, ZoomText and Fusion:

 

Enhancements in JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion 2021 Public Beta 3

 

The following is a list of improvements made between Public Beta 2 and Public Beta 3. Note that while many customer-reported enhancements are included
in this release, the following is a list of more notable changes.

 

Enhancements in JAWS 2021 and Fusion 2021 Public Beta 3
list of 29 items
• Added the ability for Sharky to tell you a joke, currently only available in the English Version and for JAWS. Coming soon to other languages.
• Removed volume change announcements that some users reported hearing in Public Beta 2 when using certain keyboards and headsets with multimedia controls.
• In response to customer feedback, we have moved the link to open Convenient OCR results directly in Word to the bottom of the results window rather than
the top to make it less distracting.
• For Voice Assistant in the German Version of JAWS and ZoomText, the word "hey" has been added to the wake words Sharky and Zoomy. Therefore, you now
open Voice Assistant by saying "Hey Sharky" or "Hey Zoomy."
• Improved the results returned for Voice Assistant in German, which was based on customer feedback.
• Resolved a problem seen in Notepad where the flashing cursor on a braille display was blinking faster than normal after selecting all text in a short
document. This also made it difficult to read flash messages on the display.
• Updated Voice Assistant so you can now say "settings center" or "quick settings" to access those utilities.
• Resolved a reported issue when using the new Braille Panning feature which helps avoid blank spaces on the display. When moving in HTML or the Virtual
buffer, there were certain edit controls in the Chrome and Edge browsers where text was not being displayed as expected when panning.
• Resolved a reported issue in Outlook where JAWS was not echoing text as expected when typing in the body of a new message with Typing Echo set to Words.
• Removed the announcement of Tutor Messages in Microsoft Office Ribbons as they were very verbose when attempting to navigate.
• When opening a message in Outlook, resolved a reported issue where JAWS would not always start reading from the top if it has previously been opened.
It would often start reading from the previous location where you stopped reading the last time.
• Resolved an issue in MS Mail where JAWS was reporting list start and end info for each item in a list.
• Users can now use Voice Assistant to Toggle certain features of JAWS and Fusion. Screen Shade, Audio Ducking, Speech on Demand, and Virtual PC Cursor
can all be toggled if you say the word toggle, followed by the feature. And in the December Update of 2021, we will make it so you can just say the name
of the feature, and it will toggle the state and avoid the need for the word toggle.
• Resolved issues for the Picture Smart Feature where the "more results" link in the Results Viewer, was not properly getting more results and displaying
them as expected.
• Updated the Help for Voice Assistant by removing and adding some commands for the current update.
• Resolved an issue when selecting all text (CTRL+A) in a large Word document. This action would cause JAWS to hang for several seconds.
• Resolved a reported issue where exporting your Settings, could cause instability as you navigated the dialogs while using this feature in JAWS.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS would not remain in Forms Mode, while trying to compose email messages in OE Classic.
• Resolved several issues related to migrating settings from previous versions of JAWS to JAWS 2021.
• Resolved issues for customers reporting that JAWS did not recognize ScaleRichView controls used in certain editors. This custom window class will be
recognized by default in JAWS and Fusion.
• Resolved an issue reported where braille was not tracking to the Navigation Bar in Outlook 365 or Outlook 2016 when pressing F6.
• Additional User Settings are collected when running the FS Support Tool. This will help Technical Support to gather all the relevant data to help solve
customer issues.
• JAWS would leave Forms Mode and the Virtual Cursor would be on when creating an email in Thunderbird Email. This occurred when navigating with arrow
keys.
• Resolved an issue where JAWS was not reading the Auto Complete options in the Chrome Address bar.
• Increased the size of the Speech History Buffer to allow for 500 strings rather than just 50 when you press INSERT+SPACE, H to review the most recent
strings sent to the synthesizer.
• The feature "Keyboard Lock" has been added to JAWS Command Search. To activate it, press INSERT+SPACE, L. This locks the keyboard and only allows informational
keystrokes to be used. To find the keystroke using JAWS Command Search, type the word "lock."
• Resolved reported issues with early public beta versions of 2021 where third-party scripts were not compiling. This was an issue when using WordPerfect
and Quattro Pro.
• Updated braille drivers provided by Papenmeire.
• Resolved reported issue in Power Point 365 in the Notes Area of a slide where JAWS was saying graphic while navigating text in the note.
list end

 

Enhancements in Fusion 2021 Public Beta 3
list of 3 items
• Resolved an issue when composing an email in Outlook where tracking by Fusion in the magnified view would fail. This occurred if you first selected text,
and then started typing to replace it.
• Resolved an issue where the Focus highlight is not tracking in Office Ribbons when JAWS Virtual Ribbon is enabled.
• Resolved an issue where Braille Viewer and Text Viewer were not remaining persistent and restarting after rebooting. They should stay active until the
users shuts them off in the future.
list end

 

Enhancements in ZoomText 2021 Public Beta 3
list of 4 items
• Resolved an issue in Mozilla Firefox 82 where ZoomText Focus Enhancement was failing to track as you read while navigating in Firefox.
• Resolved a Voice Assistant issue when trying to increase or decrease magnification to a Fractional Level. For example, asking Zoomy to set Magnification
to 1.2, resulted in getting 12X. the decimal point was being excluded.
• Resolved an issue where ZoomText speech would not stop when saying a Voice Assistant command. The feature was designed to interrupt speech.
• Resolved an issue in the Outlook Inbox when your Windows Display Setting Zoom Level is higher than 100%, and you navigate the inbox. The view is shifted
to the right as you navigate making it impossible to see the left edge of the window.
list end


Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
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Re: Finding the "Unread" messages in Outlook 365?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I decided to put together that tutorial since I know this will eventually come up again.
-------------------------------------------

Adding the Next Unread Item Button to your Messages Tab/Ribbon in Outlook


It can be quite handy if you want to shoot straight to the next unread message rather than having to hunt for it.

What follows presumes you are using Outlook 2016 and later.  It may apply to earlier versions, but has not been tested on same.

You should be in the message reading window for any message of your choosing before starting.  It may be possible to add this control elsewhere if you’re using the Preview Pane, but I have not tested that, either.

To Add the Next Unread Item Button:

1.       Gain focus on any individual control in the Message Ribbon, it does not matter which one.  ALT+H, Down Arrow will do for getting you on the Ignore control, the first in the ribbon.

2.       Bring up the context menu by the method of your choosing, whether Right Click, SHIFT+F10, or the applications/context menu key and choose the Customize the Ribbon option.  This will cause Outlook Options to open with focus on the Customize Ribbon Pane, which is insanely complex.  If you wish to explore it, feel free to do so, but the remainder of these instructions will focus exclusively on what you need to do next to get the control you’re looking for into its own group and on to your Message Ribbon.

3.      Tab into the pane, and in the Choose Commands from dropdown, choose the Commands Not in the Ribbon option.  A long list, in alphabetical order, now appears below.  You are looking for the item in the list named, Next Unread Item, which you will select.

4.      Now you will navigate over to the list, already showing, under the Customize the Ribbon dropdown which is showing the Main Tabs, and gain focus on and select the Message tab, which is first in the list.  Then navigate to the New Group button and activate it.  You must create a new group to place any commands not normally on the ribbon in to.

5.      A new group, initially named, New Group (Custom), will be created as the rightmost group in the Message Tab/Ribbon.  I want a meaningful name, so I immediately navigate to and activate the Rename button, and change the name to Message Jump Navigation.  You can, of course, choose any name that’s meaningful to you.

6.      Navigate to and activate the Add button.  Since focus was already established on the  Next Unread Item command in the first list, and focus remains on the newly created group in the second, this will cause Next Unread Item to be placed in the newly created Message Jump Navigation group.

7.      Navigate to and activate the OK button.

You now have the Next Unread Item control in your Message Tab/Ribbon.  In my case, and I’d presume it will be the same for everyone, the keyboard shortcut is ALT+H,Y.  On occasion, when I activate this control, I get an error dialog box that reads, “Cannot open the next item. Sorry we’re having trouble opening this item. This could be temporary, but if you see it again you might want to restart Outlook.”  I have never been able to figure out exactly when it will pop up.  In virtually all cases if I click OK to close it and issue the Next Unread Item command again, it works just fine.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: iPhone 12

Danny Park
 

That is what I was hoping and will probably do that and then pick up a USB C block later.


Danny

On 11/2/2020 12:51 PM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
The older lightning cables will work just fine. You do not need to purchase a usb-c charging block.

Greg Wocher

On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Danny Park <dpark13918@gmail.com> wrote:

I know that with the new iPhone's there is no charging block included but rather just a lighting to USB C cable. My question is if anyone know if you can use an older lighting to USB cable as in the past or do you need to make sure that you have a type C charger before ordering.

thanks for any info.


Danny








Re: Ninja Foodi Grill

Danny Park
 

We are thinking about the ex-large 5 in 1 unit which has air frier and more.


Danny

On 11/2/2020 8:18 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Hi Dani,

I have no experience with the ninja grill.
I have a Hamilton Beach indoor grill which is similar to the George Forman indoor grill.

My Ham Beach grill is totally basic. The timer and on off knob is all in one. When you turn it to set the time, it turns on the grill at the same time.
No temp control, but if you turn it on for a few minutes before putting that steak on the grill, you can get it spankin hot.
Like the Forman grill, the beach has grill plates in the bottom and lid of the grill. The grill can be used in the closed or opened flat position.
I took a quick look at amazon and there are more than one model of the Ninja.
There is one that is an air fryer as well as indoor grill.
Which one are you thinking about?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Danny Park
Sent: November 2, 2020 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Ninja Foodi Grill

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with a Ninja Foodi Indoor Grill and whether it is accessible or can it easily be adapted with markings to be accessible.

Any thoughts or information on this will be greatly appreciated.


Danny










Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 07:28 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
eluktronics rp15
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Gaming PCs are a thing of their own.  There is a missing enter on the number pad, there is not a missing plus, it's just not a huge key, like it typically is on more "office task oriented" machines (and where a large NumPad Enter generally exists just beneath that extra large plus key).

You don't seem to get my points, ever.  It's not about you, or what you want to do.  I agree wholeheartedly that any individual should do exactly as they see fit.  What I have a problem with is that you are willing to misrepresent what is common versus what is not.  That is a huge problem secondary to your claims about the keyboard layouts of the vast majority of laptops 15.6" and above.  Your statements do not match objective reality.  You had to dig up a brand most of us have never heard of, and that is a gaming machine, to prove your point.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com


Re: Unable to Launch Open Book

Gene
 

I doubt you will lose settings. Usually, when you uninstall programs these days, the settings are retainded on the machine so the user can reinstall the program without such loss. If you want to be sure, then of course, save the settings if you wish but I am very doubtful that it is necessary.

Don't remove any shared files if asked.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 8:35 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book


Save your settings before you uninstall / reinstall so you don't have to configure the program again.
To save a copy of your Openbook settings do the following.
1. Go to the root of your OS drive,
C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\OpenBook\9.0\Users\default\Settings

2. Press the letter " U " for users and press enter.



3. Arrow to the " default " folder and press enter.
4. Now arrow to the settings folder, copy this folder and save it somewhere accessible.

5. After you get Openbook 9 reinstalled copy your saved settings folder and paste it into the same location you copied it from using the steps above.


Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book

Try reinstalling it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 6:02 AM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book






Hi list. All of a sudden, I am unable to launch Open Book 9.0. When I try
to open it, I get the "welcome to open book" greeting message, followed by
"program not responding". I tried closing and reopening it with no luck. I
tried the "check for a solution and close the program" option in the program
not responding dialog with no luck. I have rebooted a couple of times, but
I still cannot get Open Book to open. It worked fine two days ago. I am
running Windows 7 with JAWS 2019. Any ideas on how I can get Open Book to
launch successfully? Thanks.




Gerald


Re: Unable to Launch Open Book

Gerald Levy
 


Hey Mike, were you ever able to install the paid version of 0 Patch?  I noticed that whenever a new patch was available, it would slow down my computer until I applied it.  And to apply it, I had to open the 0 Patch console from the "everything is okay" system tray icon  and wait until it finally launched, because when I first open the console, I would be confronted with the "program not responding" dialog, and had to wait a few minutes until the console was finally enabled and the patch automatically applied.  Who needs this aggravation?  But on another note, do you have any idea why I could not download Open Book 9.0 from the FS downloads page?  When I activated the download link, I heard a ding sound in Google Chrome, probably emanating from the Pop-up Sounds extension, but otherwise, I was not presented  with the file download dialog to save it. Is there perhaps a problem with their web site?  


Gerald



On 11/3/2020 9:35 AM, Mike B wrote:

Save your settings before you uninstall / reinstall so you don't have to configure the program again.
To save a copy of your Openbook settings do the following.
1. Go to the root of your OS drive,
C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\OpenBook\9.0\Users\default\Settings
2. Press the letter " U " for users and press enter.

 
3. Arrow to the " default " folder and press enter.
4. Now arrow to the settings folder, copy this folder and save it somewhere accessible.
 
5. After you get Openbook 9 reinstalled copy your saved settings folder and paste it into the same location you copied it from using the steps above.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book

Try reinstalling it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 6:02 AM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book






Hi list.  All of a sudden, I am unable to launch Open Book 9.0.  When I try
to open it, I get the "welcome to open book" greeting message, followed by
"program not responding".  I tried closing and reopening it with no luck.  I
tried the "check for a solution and close the program" option in the program
not responding dialog with no luck.  I have rebooted a couple of times, but
I still cannot get Open Book to open.  It worked fine two days ago.  I am
running Windows 7 with JAWS 2019.  Any ideas on how I can get Open Book to
launch successfully?  Thanks.




Gerald








 






Re: Reading .brf files on a pc

Steve Matzura
 

Yeah, and you already own it--Notepad.

On 11/2/2020 8:17 PM, Jujube wrote:
Hey everyone, are their any good free programs for reading .brf files
on a PC? I have a braille display. Thanks.




Re: Unable to Launch Open Book

Mike B
 


Save your settings before you uninstall / reinstall so you don't have to configure the program again.
To save a copy of your Openbook settings do the following.
1. Go to the root of your OS drive,
C:\Program Files (x86)\Freedom Scientific\OpenBook\9.0\Users\default\Settings
2. Press the letter " U " for users and press enter.

 
3. Arrow to the " default " folder and press enter.
4. Now arrow to the settings folder, copy this folder and save it somewhere accessible.
 
5. After you get Openbook 9 reinstalled copy your saved settings folder and paste it into the same location you copied it from using the steps above.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book

Try reinstalling it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 6:02 AM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book






Hi list.  All of a sudden, I am unable to launch Open Book 9.0.  When I try
to open it, I get the "welcome to open book" greeting message, followed by
"program not responding".  I tried closing and reopening it with no luck.  I
tried the "check for a solution and close the program" option in the program
not responding dialog with no luck.  I have rebooted a couple of times, but
I still cannot get Open Book to open.  It worked fine two days ago.  I am
running Windows 7 with JAWS 2019.  Any ideas on how I can get Open Book to
launch successfully?  Thanks.




Gerald








 






Re: Unable to Launch Open Book

Gerald Levy
 


Okay, I fixed the problem and now I am able to successfully launch Open Book again and scan and read documents normally.  But a little background on how I resolved the problem in case anyone else encounters the same issue.  First, I visited the Freedom Scientific Open Book downloads page and tried to download Open Book 9.0.  But for whatever reason, I could not download it using Google Chrome or Firefox.  Maybe there's a problem with their web site.  Next, I considered performing a System Restore.  But it turned out that I had no restore points.  I was mulling over what to do next and considered calling FS customer support for help, but thought things over again.  I remembered that I had just applied a new patch this morning to 0 Patch, the third-party security program that supposedly applies patches to keep Windows 7 protected  because, of course, this obsolete OS  is no longer supported by Microsoft.  I figured that uninstalling 0 Patch, which is mostly inaccessible, anyway, might fix the problem, because perhaps the patch I had applied this morning was somehow preventing Open Book from launching, flagging it as malware or some other malicious threat.  And sure enough, once I uninstalled 0 Patch using Revo Uninstaller, Open Book launched normally and worked as it should, scanning and reading back my mail.  So my advice for anyone who is still using0 Patch on their Windows 7 computer  is to get rid of 0 Patch, because it might cause unanticipated problems or otherwise interfere with certain programs like Open Book. It is almost totally inaccessible, and besides, the information on its interface is mostly incomprehensible gibberish, anyway, and it may not even be protecting your Windows 7 computer in the first place.  Don't even think about installing the paid version of 0 Patch, it they ever get around to making it accessible. Its downside outweighs any perceived benefits it might offer in terms of added Windows 7 protection.  In this case, reinstalling Open Book without uninstalling 0 Patch would probably not have fixed the problem, after all.       


Gerald



On 11/3/2020 7:04 AM, Gene wrote:
Try reinstalling it.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2020 6:02 AM
To: Tech Talk
Subject: [TechTalk] Unable to Launch Open Book






Hi list.  All of a sudden, I am unable to launch Open Book 9.0.  When I try to open it, I get the "welcome to open book" greeting message, followed by "program not responding".  I tried closing and reopening it with no luck.  I tried the "check for a solution and close the program" option in the program not responding dialog with no luck.  I have rebooted a couple of times, but I still cannot get Open Book to open.  It worked fine two days ago.  I am running Windows 7 with JAWS 2019.  Any ideas on how I can get Open Book to launch successfully?  Thanks.




Gerald
















Re: Looking for a laptop replacement

enes sarıbaş
 

Why change something that works though? An applications key works perfectly well for anything I would want to do. There is literally no reason to change it. Also, with hypersensetive mousepads these days, you can accidentally hover your finger over a part of the touch pad and cause unintended actions. Not to mention moving your hand away from the keyboard and to the mouse just for a right click when you're working on the keyboard isn't time effective or ergonomic. 

As for laptop examples, look at the eluktronics rp15 vs 17 keyboards, and see a missing plus and enter key on the numb pad.


On 11/2/2020 5:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 05:50 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
I would sdisagree with missing keys though, like missing a numb lock, plus or enter key, or applications key is a problem. Yes many claim the shift f10 does the same thing, but this isn't true. shift f10 does not work in all contexts that applications does, and it brings up a much larger menu than applications.
-
Enes,

          Find me a single, solitary example of a laptop with a full sized keyboard that does not have a number lock or plus key, then we can talk.  I have, literally, never seen one.  Anything with a built-in number pad that is multi-function, whether laptop or desktop, has a Num Lock key.  I've never seen an absent plus.  There are many desktop keyboards that have no applications key.

          The number of instances where SHIFT+F10 and Applications/Menu key are not equivalent is small.  I've observed that there are instances where they are not, but those instances are certainly not enough to make this any sort of major concern, and in all cases I can get what is needed to come up, or activate, by other means.  And in the case of a laptop, specifically, it is so simple to keep left and right mouse click while masking the mousepad area I do not understand why it's not done all the time.  Having real left and right click is far, far, far more convenient than having an applications key, as right click is its equivalent in every context I've ever tried it.  

           Your messages give the impression that "lack of keys" is a common issue on laptops that have full sized keyboards.  It very simply isn't.  I've had untold numbers of clients who were laptop users and desktop users, with native keyboards, and each group has equal access via a screen reader, occasionally using slightly different means.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

        ~ Technician with the username Computer Bloke, on Technibble.com

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