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Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:52 AM, Gene wrote:
With Apple, you get what you get.
-
Yup.  Apple exercises an iron fist in controlling its ecosystem while Microsoft has had a "come one, come all!!" attitude toward third party developers for as long as I've been in the business.

My line about Apple is that you must become one with the borg when you go Apple.  They know what's best for you and you'll get what they deign to give you.  That's why I parted ways with them decades ago.  I want a lot more control over my computing environment than I could ever get with Apple products.

Others, will, of course, feel differently.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

I don't know who he works for now, if anyone. He specifically addresses work he does for JAWS in his presentation. he states that he used Apple a great deal for a few years but he is now moving or has moved back to Windows.

Jonathan Mosen may still do work for Freedom Scientific but it is probably on a freelance basis. My opinion is that he keeps a strong separation between his personal writing and appraisals and his work for whomever he works for. And this presentation doesn't advocate using JAWS.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hi Gene,

With all due respect to Jonathan Mosen, doesn't he now work for one of
the big guns: JAWS or some other Windows-based company? I am using both
Windows and Apple products. I find browsing the web with the iPhone just
about as easy as with Windows. This is despite the extra relatively new
(for me that is) mastery of the touch gestures necessary to use an
iPhone. I would love to try a Mack desktop system, but at this time,
the big issue with Apple desktops is the price. I can get a decent
Windows machine for under 500 dollars US while a decent mid priced Apple
desktop costs beginning around 1000 dollars US.


On 11/19/2020 10:23 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a long essay about why Jonathan Mosen, after using both Windows and Mac computers extensively, has gone to just Windows.
https://mosen.org/saying-goodbye-to-the-mac/
As you will see, he discusses certain specific uses that may not bee of concern to many users. But he does address this or that use that would be of interest to a large number. I haven't read the whole essay but he does specifically say that working with PDF documents is easier in Windows and web browsing is easier.

I'm not making any generalizations. I am saying that if you do well with whatever you use and it meets your needs well, why go through the trouble of learning a new operating system unless you just want to.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a
meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers
because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning
another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple
computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the
typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave











--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Did you see my tutorial on ribbons? I can't say how you will find them if you haven't seen it and now do, but in the majority of cases, people have a lot of probems witgh ribbons because they haven't been properly taught them or havenn't seen good instructional material, if any. In essense, and it isn't quite this simple, but in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy
with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought
about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even
do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would
say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the
mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit
easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would
say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the
battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as
a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can
be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with
iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave












Re: Apple vs Windows?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

With all due respect to Jonathan Mosen, doesn't he now work for one of the big guns: JAWS or some other Windows-based company? I am using both Windows and Apple products. I find browsing the web with the iPhone just about as easy as with Windows.  This is despite the extra relatively new (for me that is) mastery of the touch gestures necessary to use an iPhone.  I would love to try a Mack desktop system, but at this time, the big issue with Apple desktops is the price. I can get a decent Windows machine for under 500 dollars US while a decent mid priced Apple desktop costs beginning around 1000 dollars US.

On 11/19/2020 10:23 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a long essay about why Jonathan Mosen, after using both Windows and Mac computers extensively, has gone to just Windows.
https://mosen.org/saying-goodbye-to-the-mac/
As you will see, he discusses certain specific uses that may not bee of concern to many users.  But he does address this or that use that would be of interest to a large number.  I haven't read the whole essay but he does specifically say that working with PDF documents is easier in Windows and web browsing is easier.

I'm not making any generalizations.  I am saying that if you do well with whatever you use and it meets your needs well, why go through the trouble of learning a new operating system unless you just want to.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

I'm not sure there is an answer.  for the typical user, I doubt there is a
meaningful advantage one way or the other.  I won't use Apple computers
because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning
another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple
computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the
typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of  Apple computers.  You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices.  I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it.  With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android.  have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave










--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Also, Apple has only one screen-reader. This may not matter for many people, but Windows has a number of screen-readers and some do this or that better in this or that program. With Apple, you get what you get.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:31 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
but there is something to be said for Apple products enjoying a healthy longevity and high quality construction.-
The only nit I'm going to pick here is that this implies the same cannot be had in a PC.

Your assertion, which is 100% correct, that, "Windows-based products has the advantage of featuring a lot more options, therefore creating more affordable prices," means that the range of available options ranges far more widely in terms of price and durability. And in markets for anything where that's the case, it's not fair or accurate to compare, "the cheap end of the range," against something else from a competitor that's not in the same class.

As someone who repairs computers for a living, you'll often hear things along the line of, "PCs are junk, Apple makes quality product," but, when you probe, the comparison is being made between a $300 bargain basement PC and a $1500 Apple Macbook (or whatever, but you get the general point).

Business-class PCs at approximately the same price points (and, actually, even slightly below) as their Apple counterparts are built to the same quality standards. You simply can't expect bargain-basement and gold plated price points to ever have equivalency in terms of build quality.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Ron Canazzi
 

Well I will try that first and if it doesn't work, I'll visit the page and see if the page has a newer update.

On 11/19/2020 9:52 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why the engine was updated today on the page but it doesn't make sense to download it now in case Pontes stops working at some time in the future.  It is likely that a newer download will be required to get it working again at that time.


Gene

On 11/19/2020 8:33 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

If for some reason (anti virus, anti malware or whatever) you can't update the engine using the internal hotkey within Pontes, here is the link to the page where you can get the youtube-dl.exe file and place it in the appropriate folder under Pontes Media downloader/engine.
https://youtube-dl.org

Interestingly enough, I have no issue with Pontes currently, but on the page that I just visited before posting, I see the latest version is dated earlier today 11-19-2020. I downloaded this version and will manually install it when Pontes stops working again on my end.


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene







--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Apple vs Windows?

goshawk on horseback
 

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave











Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:31 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
but there is something to be said for Apple products enjoying a healthy longevity and high quality construction.
-
The only nit I'm going to pick here is that this implies the same cannot be had in a PC.

Your assertion, which is 100% correct, that, "Windows-based products has the advantage of featuring a lot more options, therefore creating more affordable prices," means that the range of available options ranges far more widely in terms of price and durability.  And in markets for anything where that's the case, it's not fair or accurate to compare, "the cheap end of the range," against something else from a competitor that's not in the same class.

As someone who repairs computers for a living, you'll often hear things along the line of, "PCs are junk, Apple makes quality product," but, when you probe, the comparison is being made between a $300 bargain basement PC and a $1500 Apple Macbook (or whatever, but you get the general point).

Business-class PCs at approximately the same price points (and, actually, even slightly below) as their Apple counterparts are built to the same quality standards.  You simply can't expect bargain-basement and gold plated price points to ever have equivalency in terms of build quality.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Joe Orozco
 

It comes down to what you want to do with the system, or more
importantly, how you want to do it, and how much you want to spend on
the product. I think the level of accessibility is fairly equal
between iOS and OSX versus Windows. Both products let you get started
without sighted assistance. Both products feature dedicated customer
service for accessibility. I would argue Windows gives you more ways
to adjust your screen reader of choice, but if you are not creating
complex documents or producing complex audio or visual projects, that
point may not matter. Windows-based products has the advantage of
featuring a lot more options, therefore creating more affordable
prices, but there is something to be said for Apple products enjoying
a healthy longevity and high quality construction. I think we would
have to get a clearer understanding of what you want to accomplish to
make more specific recommendations.

Joe

On 11/19/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a
meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers
because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning
another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple
computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the
typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave













Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:08 AM, Dave wrote:
I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a step or two back.
-
Then you will find Apple, iOS, and OSX no different.

Accessibility, as a whole, is a workaround.  It is the substitution of one sensory modality for material designed for another, and that substitution will never be "perfect" or even close to it.  All sorts of compromises have to be decided upon when trying to make something intended for one sensory modality accessible in another.

And while I'm entirely in agreement with the "one or two steps forward, then a seeming step or two back" feeling, it's not the truth in actuality.  It's been a steady march in one direction, forward.  But the problem is that technology, and particularly that related to the web and web coding, continues to move at an insanely rapid pace, so those in the business of providing accessibility are always in the position of playing catch-up.  Even if accessibility is "as close to perfect" as it can get today, a couple of small changes breaks that near perfection, creating stumbling blocks.  But that's not the same as true reversion - a true couple of steps back.  It's that the pace of what's new that has to be caught-up to, and how quickly (or not) that can be achieved ebbs and flows.

The arc of accessibility is, and has been, going in only one direction for decades now - forward.  That there have been some pretty darned frustrating bumps in that road, and that those will continue to occur at times, is undeniable.  That doesn't mean, in any true sense, that accessibility is getting worse.  The pursuit of accessibility will always include an element of break-fix, particularly with the introduction of truly novel constructs.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Here is a long essay about why Jonathan Mosen, after using both Windows and Mac computers extensively, has gone to just Windows.
https://mosen.org/saying-goodbye-to-the-mac/
As you will see, he discusses certain specific uses that may not bee of concern to many users. But he does address this or that use that would be of interest to a large number. I haven't read the whole essay but he does specifically say that working with PDF documents is easier in Windows and web browsing is easier.

I'm not making any generalizations. I am saying that if you do well with whatever you use and it meets your needs well, why go through the trouble of learning a new operating system unless you just want to.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:12 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a
meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers
because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning
another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple
computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the
typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave


Apple vs Windows?

Dave
 

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it.  With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android.  have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave


Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Gene
 

What will cost a lot less, getting the SAPI 5 version or both together?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Eloquence and NVDA

if you buy the eloquence NVDA add on and the sapi5 eloquence from www.atguys.com
it will cost a lot less. And also, yes sapi5 eloquence will work with narrator on windows 10 it works very very good.


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Gene
 

I don't know why the engine was updated today on the page but it doesn't make sense to download it now in case Pontes stops working at some time in the future.  It is likely that a newer download will be required to get it working again at that time.


Gene

On 11/19/2020 8:33 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

If for some reason (anti virus, anti malware or whatever) you can't update the engine using the internal hotkey within Pontes, here is the link to the page where you can get the youtube-dl.exe file and place it in the appropriate folder under Pontes Media downloader/engine.
https://youtube-dl.org

Interestingly enough, I have no issue with Pontes currently, but on the page that I just visited before posting, I see the latest version is dated earlier today 11-19-2020. I downloaded this version and will manually install it when Pontes stops working again on my end.


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene






Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

if you buy the eloquence NVDA add on and the sapi5 eloquence from www.atguys.com 
it will cost a lot less. And also, yes sapi5 eloquence will work with narrator on windows 10 it works very very good.


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

If for some reason (anti virus, anti malware or whatever) you can't update the engine using the internal hotkey within Pontes, here is the link to the page where you can get the youtube-dl.exe file and place it in the appropriate folder under Pontes Media downloader/engine.
https://youtube-dl.org

Interestingly enough, I have no issue with Pontes currently, but on the page that I just visited before posting, I see the latest version is dated earlier today 11-19-2020. I downloaded this version and will manually install it when Pontes stops working again on my end.

On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene




--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Gene
 

I'll add that I don't use the command and I didn't think of it, but the message reminded me of it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 7:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Was that a typographical error? the command is control plus u.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Sanfilippo
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 7:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media
downloader?

Pressing control plus j also updates the engine.

John


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Gene
 

Was that a typographical error? the command is control plus u.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Sanfilippo
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 7:22 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Pressing control plus j also updates the engine.

John


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

John Sanfilippo
 

Pressing control plus j also updates the engine.

John

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