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Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gerald Levy
 


I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.


Gerald



On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:
Good riddence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Brian has left the list.  He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not 
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that 
all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it 
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I 
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any 
thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice 
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about 
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the 
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information 
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way 
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when 
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, 
and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."

      
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every 
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually 
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the 
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in 
many cases.  This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always 
going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna






















Re: Apple vs Windows?

chris judge
 

Good riddence.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that
all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it
shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any
thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do,
and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every
instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in
many cases. This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always
going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna







Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is criticized?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be
allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna







Re: Apple vs Windows?

Lenron
 

I learned that sometimes giving advice is one of those things you just
got to let people take as they will. As much as people don't wish for
things to change we must either adapt or get left behind, this is the
reality we are faced with.

On 11/20/20, Rob Hudson <rob_hudson3182@opopanax.net> wrote:
You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be
allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that all
assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect
that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and
also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless
they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the
person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and
sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to
achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those
asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to
be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called
for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called
for."  And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually do
something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact
information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many
cases.  This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always
going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna










--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Why are you always threatening to leave? Accusing someone of whining like a three year old is a violation of the lists rule against abusive messages and all other such lists I've been a member of have such rules as well.

You don't motivate people to learn or to want to listen to what you are saying by insulting them. Encouraging people to learn is one thing. Discussing the importance or the benefits of learning ribbons is one thing. Saying that if you learn ribbons may help you have more confidence when learning something else that may appear difficult at first, is fine. Saying someone is whining like a three year old is not.

Blind people come from all sorts of backgrounds. Some have good training, some don't. Some have more aptitude for learning computer-related concepts, and some people find learning computer-related things more difficult.

Some people come from backgrounds where family and friends have taught them not to have confidence. Others come from backgrounds where they have been taught to have confidence.

If this were a rehabilitation facility, putting pressure on blind people to learn certain skills would be necessary. Some people would lack the confidence to learn without being put under some pressure to achieve so they see that they can. But this and other such lists aren't rehabilitation institutions. They are lists for learning and help. Lists where blind people from all sorts of backgrounds, at all sorts of levels of knowledge gather to give and get help. Encouragement is fine, not insults.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna


Re: Accessible TV Box

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

Mostof those box may or may not have accessibility built in.if it was me
grab a fire tv box or a apple tv box oror a nvda shield tv box.all fo these
boxes are accessible an will give you wwhat you wnataa dumbtv more smartnes
in accessing htose smart apps like youtube, Netflix which is a subscription
amazon prime which is a subscription Disney plus which is a subscription ,
but ther e is pluto tv, tubotv and a bunch of otoehr tha you can grab which
will be fre and you can watch content on . ther will be more when you ge
one of tehse btv boxes hat I hae recommended. .

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fanus
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Accessible TV Box

Hello list
Can someone please recommend such a device to turn an old tv into a smart
tv? A friend mentioned the Ematic AGT419 but I can not find a userguide.
Regards
Fanus


Accessible TV Box

Fanus
 

Hello list
Can someone please recommend such a device to turn an old tv into a smart
tv? A friend mentioned the Ematic AGT419 but I can not find a userguide.
Regards
Fanus


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Rob Hudson
 

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be
allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna







Re: yootoob

 

Hi
There is another command line program named youtube-dl, can download as mp3 or mp4. More info and download at https://youtube-dl.org/
I've written an interface for this program using Python, and if you don't want to remember any command, you can try at https://www.sendspace.com/file/grtznv?fbclid=IwAR1fO7ZGierx-iSVDxT7nHPOs6aaFxL6PNXwnRjkipLSUiD2-J1xeKJcmQI
Right now it just can download as mp3, or mp4. Download it, extract, run youtube_dl_sg.exe, and follow the screen. Will take time to make English readme later.
Featback and feature request welcome, but I just do program as hobby, so I can't promiss to make all thing you request.
Cuong

On 11/20/2020 6:08 PM, abdulah aga wrote:
hi I would like know is any one have program for download

mp3 from yootoob.. if have or know please let me know.

thanks






Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."  And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases.  This is one of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Gene
 

I don't know why you gott that message. I got that message weeks ago, when neither version would update. Then a few days after I checked, both programs found the current version. When I chedcked yesterday with 2.x, I was told that the program is up-to-date. You can try what Ron has been discussing, but if you don't know how to do that, I'll let you discuss that with Ron. I don't use that method and didn't try to remember the details.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't
find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install
3.0 before this command will work?


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed. I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine. I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.

You don't realize that there are ;peop;le on these lists with all sorts of backgrounds with all sorts of training and lack of training, who have and have not used the most current interfaces. You don't serve people well by being demanding and personally critical. You can encourage people without being critical in that way.


Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 01:21 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
is there really any need to be so horrible to people?-
If giving you a long overdue wake-up call when you're whining like a 3-year old is horrible, then yes. And that is exactly what you're doing.

The ribbon interface has been here for over a decade and not having bothered to learn anything about it is your fault, period.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna


Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Gene
 

There is an add-on that provides two different synthesizers in one add-on. The person asking the question specifically said he wants only Eloquence. Unless someone wants both voices, there is no meaningful price difference, one costs 67 dollars, the other costs 69 and unless there is a performance difference or other differences that are advantages in using the add-on, if I just wanted Eloquence, I would buy the SAPI5 version. For one thing, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point, many years from now, Python (spelling) is updated again. That might mean a temporary, even if short, loss of the ability to use the add-on with the current NVDA version. For another, if you want to use another screen-reader or self-voicing program that supports SAPI voices, you can use the SAPI 5 version. You are not limited to only NVDA, as the add-on does.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Eloquence and NVDA

both together will cost a lot less. why don't you go to atguys.com and check it out for yourself.


Re: yootoob

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Pontes Media Downloader, a simple media downloader

Ongoing discussion of same on a separate topic right now.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I don't use this software, but it is always best practice to install the latest version of any software (and particularly when that latest version is well past the early days of its release).
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: hard drive

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:40 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I don't know if enclosures come with other types of interface.
-
They do.  SATA drive enclosures are far more common these days than IDE drive enclosures are.

There's really nothing to configure for them, either.  You plug your formerly internal drive in to the enclosure and then it behaves just like any other external USB drive.  They don't require external power supplies like many older, larger (as in physically larger, not capacity larger) IDE drives did.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Steve Matzura
 

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install 3.0 before this command will work?

On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 01:21 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
is there really any need to be so horrible to people?
-
If giving you a long overdue wake-up call when you're whining like a 3-year old is horrible, then yes.  And that is exactly what you're doing.

The ribbon interface has been here for over a decade and not having bothered to learn anything about it is your fault, period.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Josh Kennedy
 

if I don't like the Mac I had one and I did not like all of the going in and out of tool bars and buttons just depressed things. I did not like the max interface, and I did not like it to keyboard command. I do like the iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Apple TV boxes. If windows I mean if the iPad could play all the games that I have on windows then I would just use an iPad. But for now I have an inexpensive Windows laptop mostly to play some games and to do things on it that the iPad does not yet do. such as braille translation, and advanced features in office. I need windows to run things such as the braille blaster translator. 


Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

both together will cost a lot less. why don't you go to atguys.com and check it out for yourself.

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