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Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
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Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."  And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases.  This is one of them.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Gene
 

I don't know why you gott that message. I got that message weeks ago, when neither version would update. Then a few days after I checked, both programs found the current version. When I chedcked yesterday with 2.x, I was told that the program is up-to-date. You can try what Ron has been discussing, but if you don't know how to do that, I'll let you discuss that with Ron. I don't use that method and didn't try to remember the details.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't
find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install
3.0 before this command will work?


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed. I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine. I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.

You don't realize that there are ;peop;le on these lists with all sorts of backgrounds with all sorts of training and lack of training, who have and have not used the most current interfaces. You don't serve people well by being demanding and personally critical. You can encourage people without being critical in that way.


Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 01:21 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
is there really any need to be so horrible to people?-
If giving you a long overdue wake-up call when you're whining like a 3-year old is horrible, then yes. And that is exactly what you're doing.

The ribbon interface has been here for over a decade and not having bothered to learn anything about it is your fault, period.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna


Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Gene
 

There is an add-on that provides two different synthesizers in one add-on. The person asking the question specifically said he wants only Eloquence. Unless someone wants both voices, there is no meaningful price difference, one costs 67 dollars, the other costs 69 and unless there is a performance difference or other differences that are advantages in using the add-on, if I just wanted Eloquence, I would buy the SAPI5 version. For one thing, I wouldn't be surprised if at some point, many years from now, Python (spelling) is updated again. That might mean a temporary, even if short, loss of the ability to use the add-on with the current NVDA version. For another, if you want to use another screen-reader or self-voicing program that supports SAPI voices, you can use the SAPI 5 version. You are not limited to only NVDA, as the add-on does.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 8:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Eloquence and NVDA

both together will cost a lot less. why don't you go to atguys.com and check it out for yourself.


Re: yootoob

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Pontes Media Downloader, a simple media downloader

Ongoing discussion of same on a separate topic right now.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

I don't use this software, but it is always best practice to install the latest version of any software (and particularly when that latest version is well past the early days of its release).
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: hard drive

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 08:40 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
I don't know if enclosures come with other types of interface.
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They do.  SATA drive enclosures are far more common these days than IDE drive enclosures are.

There's really nothing to configure for them, either.  You plug your formerly internal drive in to the enclosure and then it behaves just like any other external USB drive.  They don't require external power supplies like many older, larger (as in physically larger, not capacity larger) IDE drives did.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Steve Matzura
 

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install 3.0 before this command will work?

On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 01:21 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
is there really any need to be so horrible to people?
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If giving you a long overdue wake-up call when you're whining like a 3-year old is horrible, then yes.  And that is exactly what you're doing.

The ribbon interface has been here for over a decade and not having bothered to learn anything about it is your fault, period.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Josh Kennedy
 

if I don't like the Mac I had one and I did not like all of the going in and out of tool bars and buttons just depressed things. I did not like the max interface, and I did not like it to keyboard command. I do like the iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Apple TV boxes. If windows I mean if the iPad could play all the games that I have on windows then I would just use an iPad. But for now I have an inexpensive Windows laptop mostly to play some games and to do things on it that the iPad does not yet do. such as braille translation, and advanced features in office. I need windows to run things such as the braille blaster translator. 


Re: Eloquence and NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

both together will cost a lot less. why don't you go to atguys.com and check it out for yourself.


Re: hard drive

Howard Traxler
 

If you purchase a hard drive enclosure it will come with a cable to connect it to your USB port.  I have purchased enclosures from Amazon for my IDE drives now use them as external drives.  They work well but were rather tricky to configure.  I don't know if enclosures come with other types of interface.

Howard

On 11/20/2020 6:45 AM, Angelo Sonnesso wrote:

How old is the computer?

 

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdulah aga
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] hard drive

 

   hi

I would like know if any one know what is name of cable to connect internal hard drive to computer.

I want to pool out internal hard rive from computer

and use as external hard rive.

to use as that

I need cable with USB and parts what going on in that hard drive.

if any know what is name of that cable please let me know.

thanks

 



Re: hard drive

Angelo Sonnesso
 

How old is the computer?

 

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of abdulah aga
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:39 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] hard drive

 

   hi

I would like know if any one know what is name of cable to connect internal hard drive to computer.

I want to pool out internal hard rive from computer

and use as external hard rive.

to use as that

I need cable with USB and parts what going on in that hard drive.

if any know what is name of that cable please let me know.

thanks

 


hard drive

abdulah aga
 

   hi

I would like know if any one know what is name of cable to connect internal hard drive to computer.

I want to pool out internal hard rive from computer

and use as external hard rive.

to use as that

I need cable with USB and parts what going on in that hard drive.

if any know what is name of that cable please let me know.

thanks

 


yootoob

abdulah aga
 

hi I would like know is any one have program for download

mp3 from yootoob.. if have or know please let me know.

thanks


Re: Apple vs Windows?

goshawk on horseback
 


is there really any need to be so horrible to people?
 
Simon
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 01:52 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
I am finding them very different, and next to impossible to find the things I need/want to find on them. give me the standard easy to use menus any day.
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The "standard, easy menus" are gone and are never coming back.  They also were standard, but not easy.  We all had to learn them when we first started to work with them, too.  I also, for the record, far preferred them, but that's entirely irrelevant because I, like you, have the tools at my disposal that have been provided.  I don't get to have my preference in a wide range of situations.  And with computers, you always have to learn to work with the predominant design idiom of the moment.  It doesn't matter one iota what your opinion about that predominant design idiom is.

The fact that you, or anyone, is saying well over a decade after the mass introduction of the ribbon interface that they don't know how to use it indicates an active resistance to doing same, for which there is no one to blame but the end user.  Here is Gene's tutorial, along with two I've written.  Like everything tech related, practice is what brings about eventual ease of use.


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If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

goshawk on horseback
 


thanks, but I don't use, "office applications"
 
Simon
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

>I am finding them very different, and next to impossible to find the things I need/want to find on them.

Simon, may I suggest you try using the Tell Me box to locate commands that you're trying to perform. Press alt+Q while in an Office application and this will bring up a search box which works similarly to the search box that you encounter when you first open the start menu. Type in a command, such as "center" without the quotes and then press down arrow for a list of suggestions. When you find the suggestion that you want press the enter key and the command is then executed.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/19/2020 1:52 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
up until now, using win7, I haven't had any issues with them coming up, it is only now that one can't get win7 anymore, that it is starting to be a real headache.
I am finding them very different, and next to impossible to find the things I need/want to find on them. give me the standard easy to use menus any day.
 
Simon
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:45 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
I am not happy with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus
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This will likely start a war, but, "it is going"?   Where have you been?

The ribbons interface started all the way back when Office 2007 was introduced and has been a part of Windows since Windows 7.  Microsoft is not "going" but went a very, very long time ago.

And whether you like the ribbon interface or not, Gene's assertion, " in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized," is spot on, and the organization is not all that different.  For those using keyboard shortcuts, the ones you've been using "since dirt" have remained unchanged.  Learning how to navigate the ribbon is just not difficult.   I see a lot more active resistance to learning how to do so that's a far greater impediment than the ribbons themselves ever have been.

If you're going to stay in the Windows ecosystem the choice is learning how to use the ribbon interface or flounder.  It's that simple.  And no one need flounder unless by choice.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna



Re: Apple vs Windows?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 05:23 PM, David Goldfield wrote:
Tell Me box to locate commands that you're trying to perform. Press alt+Q while in an Office application
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David,

           Thanks for that.   I was aware of that box but had never known the keyboard shortcut to throw focus to it such that you can just type the command/action you're looking for.  Certainly much faster than attempting to find anything via a grouping-by-grouping, control-by-control search.  Faster than any manual hunt for a control unless it's one you already know the ribbon and grouping it's in, but don't use it often.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

>I am finding them very different, and next to impossible to find the things I need/want to find on them.

Simon, may I suggest you try using the Tell Me box to locate commands that you're trying to perform. Press alt+Q while in an Office application and this will bring up a search box which works similarly to the search box that you encounter when you first open the start menu. Type in a command, such as "center" without the quotes and then press down arrow for a list of suggestions. When you find the suggestion that you want press the enter key and the command is then executed.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 11/19/2020 1:52 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:

up until now, using win7, I haven't had any issues with them coming up, it is only now that one can't get win7 anymore, that it is starting to be a real headache.
I am finding them very different, and next to impossible to find the things I need/want to find on them. give me the standard easy to use menus any day.
 
Simon
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 10:45 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
I am not happy with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus
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This will likely start a war, but, "it is going"?   Where have you been?

The ribbons interface started all the way back when Office 2007 was introduced and has been a part of Windows since Windows 7.  Microsoft is not "going" but went a very, very long time ago.

And whether you like the ribbon interface or not, Gene's assertion, " in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized," is spot on, and the organization is not all that different.  For those using keyboard shortcuts, the ones you've been using "since dirt" have remained unchanged.  Learning how to navigate the ribbon is just not difficult.   I see a lot more active resistance to learning how to do so that's a far greater impediment than the ribbons themselves ever have been.

If you're going to stay in the Windows ecosystem the choice is learning how to use the ribbon interface or flounder.  It's that simple.  And no one need flounder unless by choice.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna



Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

I assume you and others who may ask for the tutorial saw the message Brian sent with the link that may have arrived after mine. If not let me know.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Could you send the tutorial to me as well?
wq6r@socal.rr.com

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


If you want, I'll send you the tutorial as a part of an e-mail.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 12:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

no, I haven't, and find them a complete pane, as I just can't figure out how
to find things easily in the flaming things.

Simon


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


Did you see my tutorial on ribbons? I can't say how you will find them if you haven't seen it and now do, but in the majority of cases, people have a lot of probems witgh ribbons because they haven't been properly taught them or havenn't seen good instructional material, if any. In essense, and it isn't quite this simple, but in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy
with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought
about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even
do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would
say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the
mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit
easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would
say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the
battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as
a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can
be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with
iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer. for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other. I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of Apple computers. You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices. I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it. With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility. Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android. have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave



























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