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Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Mary Smith
 

Gene, I already use the portable version but I'd like to hear your reasons as to why its preferable than the installed copy. Other listers will benefit from this info.

On 2020-11-20 5:22 p.m., Gene wrote:
Another really important advantage of using Thunderbird is that you can use Thunderbird portable, which I very strongly recommend instead of the installed version.  I'll present more reasons if people want, I've written about this on different lists, I'm not sure just which ones.

I'll make one point about the portable version.  If something becomes corrupted in the portable version, you don't have to try to figure out the problem and solve it.  You can just delete it, and copy your backup copy of the program to the location you run it from.  Nothing else needs to be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Loy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages ----- From: Jim Rawls
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim







Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene
 

Another really important advantage of using Thunderbird is that you can use Thunderbird portable, which I very strongly recommend instead of the installed version. I'll present more reasons if people want, I've written about this on different lists, I'm not sure just which ones.

I'll make one point about the portable version. If something becomes corrupted in the portable version, you don't have to try to figure out the problem and solve it. You can just delete it, and copy your backup copy of the program to the location you run it from. Nothing else needs to be done.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Loy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages -----
From: Jim Rawls
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


H I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good as OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?

H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

I am trying to do this. Of course, the old standby F8 method doesn't work because the machine and SSD are just too fast, so I have to use the recovery method, which puts you into a menu that goes away very quickly if you don't respond fast enough, and of course, there's no Narrator--yet. So, when this menu appears, I have to press something that will get me into the Troubleshooting area, then I have to pick an Advanced boot option, and finally, press F4, F5, or F6 to get into either Safe Mode, Safe Mode with Networking, or Safe Mode with Command Prompt. Presumably at this point I can start Narrator. What I need are the key sequences to do this totally unassisted. If I'm too slow, the system will just boot into Windows normally and I'll start over. I'm game to do this until I get it right, because I have to. I created a user account and did not give it administrator privilege, and I have no idea of how to switch back to my former aqdministrator login to fix the problem. Supposedly I can do this in Safe Mode somehow.


THanks in advance.


Re: yootoob

Kerryann Ifill
 

Hi does anyone know a similar app that works on the Mac?

Regards
Kerryann Ifill

On 20 Nov 2020, at 5:08 PM, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Yes try Pontes Media Downloader!
cheers Heather 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: abdulah aga
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] yootoob
 
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Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

I know you didn't like them but I didn't know what you thought now.

I don't mind someone making a strong case or having a strong opinion, if they don't resort to personal attacks.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hi Gene,

I totally agree and BTW, I HATE! ribbons. I learn to use them and hold
my nose and my stomach and get by.


On 11/20/2020 11:53 AM, Gene wrote:
Why are you always threatening to leave? Accusing someone of whining like a three year old is a violation of the lists rule against abusive messages and all other such lists I've been a member of have such rules as well.

You don't motivate people to learn or to want to listen to what you are saying by insulting them. Encouraging people to learn is one thing. Discussing the importance or the benefits of learning ribbons is one thing. Saying that if you learn ribbons may help you have more confidence when learning something else that may appear difficult at first, is fine. Saying someone is whining like a three year old is not.

Blind people come from all sorts of backgrounds. Some have good training, some don't. Some have more aptitude for learning computer-related concepts, and some people find learning computer-related things more difficult.

Some people come from backgrounds where family and friends have taught them not to have confidence. Others come from backgrounds where they have been taught to have confidence.

If this were a rehabilitation facility, putting pressure on blind people to learn certain skills would be necessary. Some people would lack the confidence to learn without being put under some pressure to achieve so they see that they can. But this and other such lists aren't rehabilitation institutions. They are lists for learning and help. Lists where blind people from all sorts of backgrounds, at all sorts of levels of knowledge gather to give and get help. Encouragement is fine, not insults.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene
 

I think Thunderbird would be better to try first. I'm not sure how accessible Outlook Express Classic is but from previous conversations I've seen on one or two lists, the free version isn't yet accessible. I see no reason to pay for an e-mail program. Thunderbird is accessible and free.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?



H I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good as OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Re: yootoob

heather albright
 

Yes try Pontes Media Downloader!

https://pontes-media-downloader.software.informer.com/download/

cheers Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: abdulah aga
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] yootoob

 

h

 


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Steve Matzura
 

I downloaded and replaced youtube-dl.exe and, just for kicks, tried the update method again with the same result. I haven't tried using the program with the updated download component yet, so I don't know whether my change had an affect or not. Will report back either way.

On 11/20/2020 11:14 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why you gott that message.  I got that message weeks ago, when neither version would update.  Then a few days after I checked, both programs found the current version.  When I chedcked yesterday with 2.x, I was told that the program is up-to-date. You can try what Ron has been discussing, but if you don't know how to do that, I'll let you discuss that with Ron.  I don't use that method and didn't try to remember the details.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't
find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install
3.0 before this command will work?


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene







Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

heather albright
 

I would use as a last resort. Try thunderbird or the mail app with NVDA! But oe classic still works; that is outlook express 6! it still works it tends to lose mail so I would check the same account off your phone or with another mail program

To make sure you get all your mail! Cheers Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?

 

H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim

 


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Steve Matzura
 

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


Did she really say that? If so, then I have to raise my estimation of her a peg or three.


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Gene,

I totally agree and BTW, I HATE! ribbons.  I learn to use them and hold my nose and my stomach and get by.

On 11/20/2020 11:53 AM, Gene wrote:
Why are you always threatening to leave?  Accusing someone of whining like a three year old is a violation of the lists rule against abusive messages and all other such lists I've been a member of have such rules as well.

You don't motivate people  to learn or to want to listen to what you are saying by insulting them.  Encouraging people to learn is one thing. Discussing the importance  or the benefits of learning ribbons is one thing. Saying that if you learn ribbons may help you have more confidence when learning something else that may appear difficult at first, is fine.  Saying someone is whining like a three year old is not.

Blind people come from all sorts of backgrounds.  Some have good training, some don't.  Some have more aptitude for learning computer-related concepts, and some people find learning computer-related things more difficult.

Some people come from backgrounds where family and friends have taught them not to have confidence.  Others come from backgrounds where they have been taught to have confidence.

If this were a rehabilitation facility, putting pressure on blind people  to learn certain skills would be necessary.  Some people would lack the confidence to learn without being put under some pressure to achieve so they see that they can.  But this and other such lists aren't rehabilitation institutions.  They are lists for learning and help.  Lists where blind people from all sorts of backgrounds, at all sorts of levels of knowledge gather to give and get help.  Encouragement is fine, not insults.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases.  This is one of them.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

With all due respect, personal insults, intimidation and bombast should not be tolerated on a list by anyone.  This is up to the moderators to determine finally, but if it were up to me, such repetitions of such behavior should result in a permanent ban from this and any other lists.


On 11/20/2020 11:20 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."  And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases.  This is one of them.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

        ~ Madonna


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


does anyone know about OE classic?

Jim Rawls
 

H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


WiFi Password Change Affecting All Devices

Mike B
 

Hi All,
 
We have to change the password for both our 2G & 5G networks, which use the same password but, we're not at that house.  I can change the password through the Spectrum website and I know that Amazon stores our saved passwords.  My question is, does anyone know if I can go into where Amazon stores our passwords for all our devices and change it there also?  All input is greatly appreciated.  Thanks much.

Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Monte Single
 

No worries mates.
If you want to communicate with Brian, you can find him on the win10 list
and the nvda list, both of which are on @groups.io.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris
judge
Sent: November 20, 2020 11:14 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Good riddence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that
all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it
shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any
thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do,
and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every
instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in
many cases. This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always
going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna







Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

It has nothing to do with whether he is sighted. it has to do with his expectations and not taking seriously that there are all sorts of blind people at all levels of knowledge. I've seen blind people who are critical and intolerant as well.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 11:32 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?






I agree. He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated. Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.




Gerald








On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:
Good riddence. -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows? Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is criticized? Gene -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows? You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see that things change. It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off the personal insults. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" mailto:britechguy@gmail.com To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows? On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote: Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern. - Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following: It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for. It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here. Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed. ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gerald Levy
 


I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.


Gerald



On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:
Good riddence.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Brian has left the list.  He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:

Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not 
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that 
all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it 
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I 
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any 
thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice 
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about 
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the 
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information 
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way 
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when 
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, 
and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."

      
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every 
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually 
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the 
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in 
many cases.  This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always 
going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna






















Re: Apple vs Windows?

chris judge
 

Good riddence.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that
all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it
shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any
thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do,
and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every
instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in
many cases. This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always
going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna







Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is criticized?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off the personal insults.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:


Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be
allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed.

~ Madonna






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