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Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Gene
 

There isn't a play button as far as I can see. There are a number of items like nightfall, Weekend, and a few others that have items that say clickable above them. I couldn't get the clicable items to work using the Brave browser, which is a Chrome based browser. I didn't try with Chrome or Edge. I did try with Firefox and pressing enter on the first of the two clicable items before each name caused a short ten or fifteen second sample to play. I don't know if anything other than these clicable items are intended to be played. I couldn't get anything to play.

Also, I'm using NVDA. I don't know if that makes any difference. But it is important to have a browser that isn't Chrome based and a browser that is Chrome based on a machine. One may work better with screen-readers on this or that site and the other may work better on a different this or that site.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 7:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem



Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@icloud.com

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng


accessing an element on a website problem

Kimsan
 

Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent

 

Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

 


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Monte Single
 

For the record,  the first message  I read about how to use ribbons was written and posted by Gene Asner.

I’m thinking that was about 10 years ago.

Gene has consistently encouraged  list members to move to the ribbons method of working  with m s products and leaving the old menus approach behind.

If I have misunderstood your posting,  my apologies.

 

Cheers,

 

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Norman
Sent: November 20, 2020 6:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

 

I just came across this thread today, started a reply, discarded it, but now can't resist. While Brian's messages were maybe a bit out of line, i can't help but agree with the sentiment he expressed. Sadly though, It could have been worded a bit more diplomatically. My first reaction when i saw the thread had gotten combative was why do we have to go down this road again? It happens every month or so. The reaction now that he has left by a few list members though has been the most disturbing to me.

And with that having been said, i'm going to go on a bit of a rant about some people's ungratefulness, Sorry Jean.

Further back on this email thread ribbons were being discussed, some people like them and some do not. Brian in the spirit of helpfulness posted 3 different links to guides on how to navigate them from a blind perspective, I ask you, is that not considered helpful? What more can one do? We can say anything to try and help people but if said people refuse to read said material, there is nothing more we can do. Just because the thread degenerated into a bashfest because of undiplomatic statements from one side, and oversensitive reactions from the other shouldn't detract from the help that was already given.

And now that brian has left we get sulky comments like this.

Good riddence.

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.

I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.

 

Ungrateful, idiotic and untruthful statements like the ones above make me ashamed i have to be part of the blindness community. Yes i'm blind, and if i had a choice i would be sighted. And if i was i'd leave people like the ones who made those statements alone to figure out there own issues. Brian has been a long standing and helpful member of this comunity and i'm grateful that there are still sighted people willing to help us blind people develop our knowledge and indipendence. So since i'm blind, and don't have a choice in the matter i will accept that, try and gracefully accept help where needed and in turn help others where i can irrespective of if they're sighted or not.

 

 

In closing, i'll just make this statement . We all have equal oppurtunity on this earth, regardless of if we're sighted or not. Just keep this in mind, equal oppurtunity doesn't necessarily mean equal outcome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 11/20/2020 6:19 PM, chris judge wrote:

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

 

 

I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:

Good riddence.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
Brian has left the list.  He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
 
 
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not 
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
 
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that 
all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it 
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I 
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any 
thing, and also know and accept the following:
 
It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice 
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about 
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the 
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information 
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way 
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when 
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, 
and instead do what's called for.
 
It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
 
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every 
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually 
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the 
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.
 
Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in 
many cases.  This is one of them.
 
--
 
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
 
If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always 
going to be disappointed.
 
~ Madonna
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

I'll restrict myself to commenting on one issue. I didn't object to Brian helping. I didn't object to Brian debating points if they didn't take over the list such as how best to encourage people to learn. I objected to one behavior, saying that a list member is whining like a three-year-old. The list has a rule that does not allow such activity and I would call it to anyone's attention who engages in it.

Making such statements is not helping people. it makes people angry and defensive. If you want to help people, do so by encouraging them to learn, explaining things, and providing material if available, appropriate, and possibly useful, not by ;personal remarks that accomplish nothing constructive.

It doesn't matter if Brian is sighted or blind. There are blind people who engage in such behavior as well.

If you benefitted from Brian's help that's fine. I'm sorry he left the list because he has a lot of technical knowledge and I would imagine he helped many people. But I can't bend list rules such as the need for civility for anyone. Knowledge doesn't confer special privelege or tolerance.

I don't plan to comment further. I don't think I have anything to add and I hope those interested in the discussion will have seen my comments. As list owner, I have certain responsibilities and that is how I interpret this one. Disagreements about substance, such as how to do things are fine. Even a certain ampount of angry disagreements are fine. But beyond a certain point, they become too personal and repeated indulgence will have results such as being placed on moderated status.

And to make the record completely clear, if there is any doubt, I didn't ask Brian to leave. He left on his own accord. I would have been happy to have tried to come to an agreement..

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Norman
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:49 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?



I just came across this thread today, started a reply, discarded it, but now can't resist. While Brian's messages were maybe a bit out of line, i can't help but agree with the sentiment he expressed. Sadly though, It could have been worded a bit more diplomatically. My first reaction when i saw the thread had gotten combative was why do we have to go down this road again? It happens every month or so. The reaction now that he has left by a few list members though has been the most disturbing to me.

And with that having been said, i'm going to go on a bit of a rant about some people's ungratefulness, Sorry Jean.

Further back on this email thread ribbons were being discussed, some people like them and some do not. Brian in the spirit of helpfulness posted 3 different links to guides on how to navigate them from a blind perspective, I ask you, is that not considered helpful? What more can one do? We can say anything to try and help people but if said people refuse to read said material, there is nothing more we can do. Just because the thread degenerated into a bashfest because of undiplomatic statements from one side, and oversensitive reactions from the other shouldn't detract from the help that was already given.

And now that brian has left we get sulky comments like this.

Good riddence.

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.


I agree. He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated. Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.




Ungrateful, idiotic and untruthful statements like the ones above make me ashamed i have to be part of the blindness community. Yes i'm blind, and if i had a choice i would be sighted. And if i was i'd leave people like the ones who made those statements alone to figure out there own issues. Brian has been a long standing and helpful member of this comunity and i'm grateful that there are still sighted people willing to help us blind people develop our knowledge and indipendence. So since i'm blind, and don't have a choice in the matter i will accept that, try and gracefully accept help where needed and in turn help others where i can irrespective of if they're sighted or not.







In closing, i'll just make this statement . We all have equal oppurtunity on this earth, regardless of if we're sighted or not. Just keep this in mind, equal oppurtunity doesn't necessarily mean equal outcome.































On 11/20/2020 6:19 PM, chris judge wrote:


I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?







I agree. He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated. Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.



Gerald







On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:

Good riddence. -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows? Brian has left the list. He can dish it out, but what happens when he is criticized? Gene -----Original Message----- From: Rob Hudson Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows? You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see that things change. It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off the personal insults. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows? On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote: Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern. - Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following: It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for. It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here. Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041 If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always going to be disappointed. ~ Madonna


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Norman
 

I just came across this thread today, started a reply, discarded it, but now can't resist. While Brian's messages were maybe a bit out of line, i can't help but agree with the sentiment he expressed. Sadly though, It could have been worded a bit more diplomatically. My first reaction when i saw the thread had gotten combative was why do we have to go down this road again? It happens every month or so. The reaction now that he has left by a few list members though has been the most disturbing to me.

And with that having been said, i'm going to go on a bit of a rant about some people's ungratefulness, Sorry Jean.

Further back on this email thread ribbons were being discussed, some people like them and some do not. Brian in the spirit of helpfulness posted 3 different links to guides on how to navigate them from a blind perspective, I ask you, is that not considered helpful? What more can one do? We can say anything to try and help people but if said people refuse to read said material, there is nothing more we can do. Just because the thread degenerated into a bashfest because of undiplomatic statements from one side, and oversensitive reactions from the other shouldn't detract from the help that was already given.

And now that brian has left we get sulky comments like this.

Good riddence.

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.

I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.


Ungrateful, idiotic and untruthful statements like the ones above make me ashamed i have to be part of the blindness community. Yes i'm blind, and if i had a choice i would be sighted. And if i was i'd leave people like the ones who made those statements alone to figure out there own issues. Brian has been a long standing and helpful member of this comunity and i'm grateful that there are still sighted people willing to help us blind people develop our knowledge and indipendence. So since i'm blind, and don't have a choice in the matter i will accept that, try and gracefully accept help where needed and in turn help others where i can irrespective of if they're sighted or not.



In closing, i'll just make this statement . We all have equal oppurtunity on this earth, regardless of if we're sighted or not. Just keep this in mind, equal oppurtunity doesn't necessarily mean equal outcome.











On 11/20/2020 6:19 PM, chris judge wrote:

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

 

 

I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:

Good riddence.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
Brian has left the list.  He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
 
 
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not 
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
 
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that 
all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it 
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I 
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any 
thing, and also know and accept the following:
 
It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice 
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about 
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the 
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information 
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way 
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when 
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, 
and instead do what's called for.
 
It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
 
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every 
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually 
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the 
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.
 
Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in 
many cases.  This is one of them.
 
--
 
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
 
If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always 
going to be disappointed.
 
~ Madonna
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hmm, isn’t this engaging in the same behavior?

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 6:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

 

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

 

 

I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:

Good riddence.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
Brian has left the list.  He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
 
 
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not 
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
 
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that 
all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it 
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I 
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any 
thing, and also know and accept the following:
 
It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice 
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about 
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the 
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information 
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way 
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when 
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, 
and instead do what's called for.
 
It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
 
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every 
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually 
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the 
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.
 
Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in 
many cases.  This is one of them.
 
--
 
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
 
If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always 
going to be disappointed.
 
~ Madonna
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: Apple vs Windows?

chris judge
 

I agree. I’m not even sure why he’s here.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: November 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

 

 

I agree.  He has been a troublemaker on every list he has infiltrated.  Once again, it should be pointed out that much of his arrogance and disrespect stems from the fact that he is totally sighted and has little patience for dealing with fellow blind list members who lack his advanced level of expertise.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 11/20/2020 12:14 PM, chris judge wrote:

Good riddence.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November 20, 2020 12:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
Brian has left the list.  He can dish it out, but what happens when he is
criticized?
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Hudson
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
You can give "wake up calls" without insults and snarkiness. As has been
demonstrated by your posts here and elsewhere, you have a distinct lack of
patience and very little tolerance. I understand that you are frustrated
that people don't know what you know, or wish to adapt. But the tone of your
posts is such that it sounds like: you are a stupid idiot refusing to see
that things change.
It's a free country (well, mostly) and you can express yourself however you
wish. But, I think Gene--and others as well--would prefer that you leave off
the personal insults.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 08:20:17 -0800
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?
 
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
 
 
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not 
be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.
 
-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave.  There seems to be this notion that 
all assistance has to "be nice."  Well, it doesn't, and very often, it 
shouldn't be.  We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I 
expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any 
thing, and also know and accept the following:
 
It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice 
unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about 
making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the 
right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information 
necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way 
street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when 
asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, 
and instead do what's called for.
 
It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for."
 
And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every 
instance, or even many instances.  I'm trying to get them to actually 
do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the 
exact information they need to do it, which I did here.
 
Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in 
many cases.  This is one of them.
 
--
 
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041
 
If your joy is derived from what society thinks of you, you're always 
going to be disappointed.
 
~ Madonna
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Jim Rawls
 

Ok I won't. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?

 

Jim, don't bother!

 

There are serious accessibility issues in both the free version and the pro version.  Save both your money and your sanity!

 

Don Roberts

 

On 11/20/2020 12:27 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Donald L. Roberts
 

Jim, don't bother!


There are serious accessibility issues in both the free version and the pro version.  Save both your money and your sanity!


Don Roberts


On 11/20/2020 12:27 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene
 

I gave the example of not having to worry about prohgram corruption. With the portable version, you can also update to a new version, still have a backup portable copy you haven't updated, and go back to that version if the new one has problems or behaviors you don't like. Again, you just delete the version you updated and copy the backup version to the location where you run the program from.
You can also copy the program to a new computer and it will be ready. No setup is necessary.

Also, if you keep the backup program updated so that it is the same as the version you are running, if you like that version, and repeat the backup over time, you will have a current addressbook in the backed up version. It saves the time of importaing the address book if you copy the program to a new location or if you replace a corrupted version.

I may have mentioned in my last message that you don't have to set up your accounts if you use a backup where you have already set them up.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Smith via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene, I already use the portable version but I'd like to hear your
reasons as to why its preferable than the installed copy. Other listers
will benefit from this info.




On 2020-11-20 5:22 p.m., Gene wrote:
Another really important advantage of using Thunderbird is that you can use Thunderbird portable, which I very strongly recommend instead of the installed version. I'll present more reasons if people want, I've written about this on different lists, I'm not sure just which ones.

I'll make one point about the portable version. If something becomes corrupted in the portable version, you don't have to try to figure out the problem and solve it. You can just delete it, and copy your backup copy of the program to the location you run it from. Nothing else needs to be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Loy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages ----- From: Jim Rawls
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


H I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good as OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim








Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  I am actually using version 2.0.0 and it is working like a charm.  No need, at least for now, for me to download the latest engine.  I'd pass the program along, but I am behind in my DropBox payment plan and cannot put files in there for now.  But here is what I hope is the link to the same working file that I was fortunate enough to get:

https://pontes-media-downloader.software.informer.com/download/?cf1dc598

Cheers!

On 21/11/2020 12:14 am, Gene wrote:
I don't know why you gott that message.  I got that message weeks ago, when neither version would update.  Then a few days after I checked, both programs found the current version.  When I chedcked yesterday with 2.x, I was told that the program is up-to-date. You can try what Ron has been discussing, but if you don't know how to do that, I'll let you discuss that with Ron.  I don't use that method and didn't try to remember the details.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't
find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install
3.0 before this command will work?


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene







Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Mary Smith
 

Gene, I already use the portable version but I'd like to hear your reasons as to why its preferable than the installed copy. Other listers will benefit from this info.

On 2020-11-20 5:22 p.m., Gene wrote:
Another really important advantage of using Thunderbird is that you can use Thunderbird portable, which I very strongly recommend instead of the installed version.  I'll present more reasons if people want, I've written about this on different lists, I'm not sure just which ones.

I'll make one point about the portable version.  If something becomes corrupted in the portable version, you don't have to try to figure out the problem and solve it.  You can just delete it, and copy your backup copy of the program to the location you run it from.  Nothing else needs to be done.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Loy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages ----- From: Jim Rawls
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim







Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene
 

Another really important advantage of using Thunderbird is that you can use Thunderbird portable, which I very strongly recommend instead of the installed version. I'll present more reasons if people want, I've written about this on different lists, I'm not sure just which ones.

I'll make one point about the portable version. If something becomes corrupted in the portable version, you don't have to try to figure out the problem and solve it. You can just delete it, and copy your backup copy of the program to the location you run it from. Nothing else needs to be done.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Loy
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages -----
From: Jim Rawls
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?


H I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good as OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I have it and it is very similar to OE, but it still needs work to make it screen reader friendly. The developer says he is working on it. There is focus issues with folders and messages.
----- Original Messages -----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 3:27 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?

H            I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good  as  OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

I am trying to do this. Of course, the old standby F8 method doesn't work because the machine and SSD are just too fast, so I have to use the recovery method, which puts you into a menu that goes away very quickly if you don't respond fast enough, and of course, there's no Narrator--yet. So, when this menu appears, I have to press something that will get me into the Troubleshooting area, then I have to pick an Advanced boot option, and finally, press F4, F5, or F6 to get into either Safe Mode, Safe Mode with Networking, or Safe Mode with Command Prompt. Presumably at this point I can start Narrator. What I need are the key sequences to do this totally unassisted. If I'm too slow, the system will just boot into Windows normally and I'll start over. I'm game to do this until I get it right, because I have to. I created a user account and did not give it administrator privilege, and I have no idea of how to switch back to my former aqdministrator login to fix the problem. Supposedly I can do this in Safe Mode somehow.


THanks in advance.


Re: yootoob

Kerryann Ifill
 

Hi does anyone know a similar app that works on the Mac?

Regards
Kerryann Ifill

On 20 Nov 2020, at 5:08 PM, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Yes try Pontes Media Downloader!
cheers Heather 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: abdulah aga
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] yootoob
 
h
 


Re: Apple vs Windows?

Gene
 

I know you didn't like them but I didn't know what you thought now.

I don't mind someone making a strong case or having a strong opinion, if they don't resort to personal attacks.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hi Gene,

I totally agree and BTW, I HATE! ribbons. I learn to use them and hold
my nose and my stomach and get by.


On 11/20/2020 11:53 AM, Gene wrote:
Why are you always threatening to leave? Accusing someone of whining like a three year old is a violation of the lists rule against abusive messages and all other such lists I've been a member of have such rules as well.

You don't motivate people to learn or to want to listen to what you are saying by insulting them. Encouraging people to learn is one thing. Discussing the importance or the benefits of learning ribbons is one thing. Saying that if you learn ribbons may help you have more confidence when learning something else that may appear difficult at first, is fine. Saying someone is whining like a three year old is not.

Blind people come from all sorts of backgrounds. Some have good training, some don't. Some have more aptitude for learning computer-related concepts, and some people find learning computer-related things more difficult.

Some people come from backgrounds where family and friends have taught them not to have confidence. Others come from backgrounds where they have been taught to have confidence.

If this were a rehabilitation facility, putting pressure on blind people to learn certain skills would be necessary. Some people would lack the confidence to learn without being put under some pressure to achieve so they see that they can. But this and other such lists aren't rehabilitation institutions. They are lists for learning and help. Lists where blind people from all sorts of backgrounds, at all sorts of levels of knowledge gather to give and get help. Encouragement is fine, not insults.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Your post is verging on personally abusive and such posts will not be allowed if continued in any regular or recurring pattern.-
Gene, then I'll be happy to leave. There seems to be this notion that all assistance has to "be nice." Well, it doesn't, and very often, it shouldn't be. We're dealing with adults here, and elsewhere, and I expect that adults know that effort will be necessary to learn any thing, and also know and accept the following:

It is impossible to help individuals who will not listen to advice unless they like that advice. Being a good assistant is not about making the person assisted "feel good," but about both asking the right (and sometimes hard) questions as well as giving the information necessary to achieve the desired result. Getting help is a two-way street, and those asking for help have work they must do, too, when asked. They also need to be ready to let go of what they'd like to do, and instead do what's called for.

It is not possible to help those who don't want to "do what's called for." And, for the record, I'm not trying to "encourage people" in every instance, or even many instances. I'm trying to get them to actually do something they should have already been doing, and supplying the exact information they need to do it, which I did here.

Giving a well deserved wake-up call is not abusive, it's necessary in many cases. This is one of them.
--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: does anyone know about OE classic?

Gene
 

I think Thunderbird would be better to try first. I'm not sure how accessible Outlook Express Classic is but from previous conversations I've seen on one or two lists, the free version isn't yet accessible. I see no reason to pay for an e-mail program. Thunderbird is accessible and free.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Rawls
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 2:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] does anyone know about OE classic?



H I all,

I am currently jawing 18, and windows ten. I haver outlook 2019, and don't like it. so if OE classic is as good as OE was, I'm interested. Any comments? Jim


Re: yootoob

heather albright
 

Yes try Pontes Media Downloader!

https://pontes-media-downloader.software.informer.com/download/

cheers Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: abdulah aga
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 5:08 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] yootoob

 

h

 


Re: anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

Steve Matzura
 

I downloaded and replaced youtube-dl.exe and, just for kicks, tried the update method again with the same result. I haven't tried using the program with the updated download component yet, so I don't know whether my change had an affect or not. Will report back either way.

On 11/20/2020 11:14 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know why you gott that message.  I got that message weeks ago, when neither version would update.  Then a few days after I checked, both programs found the current version.  When I chedcked yesterday with 2.x, I was told that the program is up-to-date. You can try what Ron has been discussing, but if you don't know how to do that, I'll let you discuss that with Ron.  I don't use that method and didn't try to remember the details.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:15 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] anyone else having a problem with ponts media downloader?

I just tried to do it on version 2.1.6619.26945 and was told it "can't
find the current version. Please try again later." Do I need to install
3.0 before this command will work?


On 11/19/2020 3:16 AM, Gene wrote:
The last version of the program may have been offered in 2019 but the download engine is updated as needed.  I've seen two updates in the last three or four months.

You don't have to be running the current version of the program to update the engine.  I've done it on both a 2.x and a 3.x. version.

Gene






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