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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

Monica,
If you download the zip file that was posted earlier, the correct files are included. I just downloaded it and installed the runtime file and the zira-pro voice on my desktop and I must say it is a vast improvement over ESpeak. In case you missed the zip file, here is the link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Txao1DiiuvSXdoT3k0U0hHaHc/view?usp=sharing
Marie

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Jones
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:34 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm
asking because you said the info was missing.


-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself,
Blaster







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Re: Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Monica Jones
 

Is the 86 version on the page, or do have to find that somewhere else? I'm asking because you said the info was missing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 2:09 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

Gerald,

I hope the below helps. I noticed this info was missing on the page
from the link that was provided earlier.

Microsoft Speech Platform - Runtime (Version 11), x86. Note that you
must install the x86 version even if your system is 64 bit.

Laz

On 9/2/15, Gerald Levy <bwaylimited@verizon.net> wrote:

I installed these two apps, but when I accessed the NVDA Synthesizer dialog

on the Preferences menu and selected Microsoft Speech Platform in the combo

box and then clicked Okay, I got an error message that the synthesizer could

not be loaded. Did I screw something up?

Gerald



-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:42 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Additional Free Voices for NVDA

You can get the updated speech runtime update and extra voices from this
link:

http://pamgriffith.net/blog/alternative-voices-for-nvda/


I like the zira pro voice myself,
Blaster







--
Affordably priced Accessible Talking MP3 Players, Accessible phones,
Bluetooth devices, and accessories
http://www.talkingmp3players.com/
Email: laz@talkingmp3players.com
Phone: 727-498-0121
Skype: lazmesa
Personal Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/laz.mesa
Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/Talkingmp3players?_rdr



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Facebook, Monica Rose Jones


Re: setting tech talk to confirm the group got your message

Monica Jones
 

I don't mind seeing my messages. I don't like the way Gmail does about not showing them. I'd hate to hear repeatedly a mechanical message saying my message got there, but that's fine if that's what folks like. If I see my message, I bypass it and go on.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:28 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] setting tech talk to confirm the group got your message

I agree; it's easy to delete.

Best from,

Carolyn

-----Original Message-----
From: Barb O'Connor [mailto:broconnor1972@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 11:06 AM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] setting tech talk to confirm the group got your
message

I don't mind receiving a copy of my message because then I know it made the
list, smile.

Barb

----- Original Message -----
From: Matt <mailto:matt.from.florida@gmail.com>
To: TechTalk@groups.io <mailto:TechTalk@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 10:26 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] setting tech talk to confirm the group got your
message


Hi, right now I get a copy of every message I send out to the list.
Now this is sort of good and bad. What I would like to receive is a message
just saying the group has received my message or not. This feature is on a
lot of the list I am on. Including the BGZ list. So Carlos or anyone who
knows is there a setting for this and where is it at ?





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com <mailto:Matt.from.florida@gmail.com>








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Need some help setting up NVDA

Marie <magpie.mn@...>
 

I have a new Asus laptop which I have updated to Windows 10, (which I am getting along with quite easily.) I just installed the latest version of NVDA and here is my problem. There is no insert key on the laptop and I do not know if there is a function key combination which will invoke that keystroke. So is there any way to get into the Settings so I can designate the Caps Lock as the NVDA key? It is kind of a catch 22 situation at the moment.Can anyone suggest a solution? I can’t get into the settings with no insert key and no way to set up the caps lock!!
Marie
 


Re: BARD Outage

 

I only had to call them a couple of times to have them stop sending me
cartridges. I've had no issues with how it has been now and I have
been using the TBC since I lost my sight and got out of the hospital
in 08. If anything me switching to go full digital has helped me not
have to deal with them and I only get occasional notices which are
a-ok with me. I don't know if I am still getting the catolog as I
don't really get mail and a family member usually goes through it.

Melissa

On 9/2/15, Brent Harding <brent@hostany.net> wrote:
Well, it's not an efficient system. I've told the library many times to not
send random cartridges I don't order, and they can't stop the braille book
review. If you only use Bard, there is a possibility to become inactive and
lose access to it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Hammitt
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage


If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have
been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice
telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know
Texas TBC has my email address.

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated
by the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on
another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope
that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my
assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current
threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to
be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:

From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
[mailto:btbl@library.ca.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down


Hello,


If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and
mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:


"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD.
We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."


This is all the information we have at the present time. We do not
know
when the BARD service will be back up and running. Please keep checking
the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.


Thank you for your patience and understanding!




From: Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if
Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze
or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end
issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists,
forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who
could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the
time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put
upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments
charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for
instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart
phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little
more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and
diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in
mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out
frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that
don’t presently exist.
Robin


From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if
you have no other subscription to a pay for use service. There are a lot of
books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are
old enough to be in the public domain. There are other such sites as well.
Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have
recorded for audio listening.

And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from
Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there
will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit
of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really
city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of
things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their
fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and
some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income
or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government
agency or some service that is provided. JMT!





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage



I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a
great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right
up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right
there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have
access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I
have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not
enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of
the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes
someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach,
and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived
in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an
Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I
am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try
to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that
so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to
pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is
my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm
trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in
Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no
money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most
book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've
associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with
families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he
wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no
credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so
yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in
question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't
have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth



Beth Taurasi, Windows 10 edition,Cell: 720-435-7407Skype:
denverqueen0920Ms_denverqueen on TwitterInstagram: denverqueen0920Facebook:
www.facebook.com/denverqueen0920Or you can check out www.denverqueen.com for
more information.On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all.
There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it
is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer
dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes
you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books
and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the
library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes
us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable
commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to
do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot
of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap
people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and
thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage



Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We
blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard
is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error
is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the
public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the
Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well,
because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's
unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth




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denverqueen0920Ms_denverqueen on TwitterInstagram: denverqueen0920Facebook:
www.facebook.com/denverqueen0920Or you can check out www.denverqueen.com for
more information.On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit
they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books
and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little
patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to
fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.





From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage



This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book
Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't
get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:
BARD Outage

Date:
Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:
Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@cde.state.co.us

To:
Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@gmail.com








Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website
and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is
a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and
running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library





Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277 | Mobile | Fax 303.727.9281 | Toll-free
1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@cde.state.co.us | www.myctbl.org
180 Sheridan Boulevard, Denver, CO 80226




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could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete,
or contain viruses. Therefore, email cannot be used to transfer files
containing personally identifiable information of educators or students.
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Re: Holding back Windows 10

T. Civitello <tcivi31@...>
 

Carlos, I solved the immediate problem by rebooting the computer. I already have Windows Update set to notify me of updates and let me choose which ones to install.  Thanks, Tom
 

From: Carlos
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Holding back Windows 10
 
Hi Tom,
Welcome to the list.  The alert is only informing you that you can install Windows 10 if you choose to do so.  It is not actually being installed.  If you want to completely get rid of the alert, you will have to remove the update numbered
KB3035583
To remove the update,
1. Open the
"Run"
dialog by pressing Windows key R.
2. Type
appwiz.cpl
and press Enter.
3. When Programs and Features opens, tab to
"View installed updates"
and press Enter.
4. Wait a few seconds for the list to populate.
5. Tab to the search field and type
KB3035583
6. After a couple of seconds, tab to the listview, select the update, and press Enter.
7. The Windows installer will ask if you are sure you want to uninstall the update so select
"Yes"
8. Wait for the update to finish uninstalling and restart if you are asked to do so.
Note that the update will eventually be reinstalled unless you configure Windows Updates to not automatically install and then uncheck/hide it the next time it is offered.
You may or may not want to make this change, but if you decide to do so,
1. Open the
"Run"
dialog with Windows key R.
2. Type
wuapp
and press Enter.
3. Tab to
"Change settings"
and press Enter.
4. Tab to the combo box and select
"Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them"
5. Tab to the
"OK"
button and select it to save the changes.
Until you revert this setting, updates will not be automatically installed.  The next time you are alerted about new updates, you will have to review the list and find the update by it's KB number which again is KB3035583.  Once you find it, press the Spacebar to uncheck it, press the Applications key to activate the context menu, and select
"Hide update"
Note that it may take several update cycles before the update is offered again.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Holding back Windows 10
 
Today while installing some Windows 7 updates, Windows update went ahead and started installing Windows 10. I am now getting a message that I can install Windows 10 now or schedule it. I gives me dates for the next 3 days. I don’t want to install it until Jaws 17 is released. How do I put the installation on hold. Closing it with alt,F4 has no effect.  Tom


 





Re: BARD Outage

Brent Harding
 


Well, it's not an efficient system. I've told the library many times to not send random cartridges I don't order, and they can't stop the braille book review. If you only use Bard, there is a possibility to become inactive and lose access to it.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know Texas TBC has my email address. 

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone  

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated by the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:
 
From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down
 
 
Hello,
 
 
If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:
 
 
"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."
 
 
This is all the information we have at the present time.  We do not know
when the BARD service will be back up and running.  Please keep checking the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.
 
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding!
 
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists, forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that don’t presently exist.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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Skype: denverqueen0920
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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library



Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277  |  Mobile   |  Fax 303.727.9281  |  Toll-free 1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@...  |  www.myctbl.org
180 Sheridan Boulevard, Denver, CO 80226



     

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Re: BARD Outage

 

The TBC of Texas doesn't send out many emails, except when they're
going to have a telephone chat with an author or or something.
It is pretty sad if they're so constrained that they can't even spare
a staff person to send out a mass email to listed NLS members of
Texas. But, then again I don't know how it is all set up and all I
know is that the main center is in Austin.
I would love to go outside ... but it is too freaking hot. This week
we are in the 90s and like an author I like who lives in Austin said
"it's like we are having a cold wave coming through."

Melissa

On 9/2/15, Robin Frost <robini71@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I agree I’d have liked to have received such a notice from my library and
will look into seeing if such a subscription exists. But I should also note
that at least in the case of the library for the blind in Pennsylvania while
it is a part of the national library service it also falls under the
auspices of the local free library system so is subject to their staffing
constraints. It is also the last week of Summer a time during which many
are short staffed due to vacation scheduling and such.
I suspect outage or not the earth will still rotate properly, blood will
still flow as it ought in our circulatory systems and the sun will still
rise in the east and if we just take a few breaths and as another poster I
recently read said go outside and enjoy and interact with the world around
us before we know it Bard will return to its usual functioning status.
Robin

From: Melissa Hammitt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:19 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have
been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice
telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know
Texas TBC has my email address.

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated by
the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on
another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope
that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my
assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current
threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to
be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:

From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
[mailto:btbl@library.ca.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down


Hello,


If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and
mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:


"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD.
We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."


This is all the information we have at the present time. We do not know
when the BARD service will be back up and running. Please keep checking
the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.


Thank you for your patience and understanding!




From: Robin Frost
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if
Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze
or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end
issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists,
forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who
could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the
time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put
upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments
charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for
instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart
phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little
more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and
diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in
mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out
frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that
don’t presently exist.
Robin


From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you
have no other subscription to a pay for use service. There are a lot of
books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are
old enough to be in the public domain. There are other such sites as well.
Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have
recorded for audio listening.

And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard
so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will
be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of
living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city.. I
lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things
others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or
any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it
is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or
whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency
or some service that is provided. JMT!





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage



I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a
great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right
up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right
there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have
access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I
have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not
enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of
the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes
someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach,
and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived
in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an
Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I
am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try
to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that
so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to
pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is
my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm
trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in
Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no
money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most
book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've
associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with
families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he
wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no
credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so
yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in
question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't
have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth



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denverqueen0920Ms_denverqueen on TwitterInstagram: denverqueen0920Facebook:
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more information.On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There
is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a
service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars.
They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go
to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other
books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not
accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people
something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we
should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our
seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of
handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near
what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a
live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!





Thanks,

Matt.from.florida@gmail.com



From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage



Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind
people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for
some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is
unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the
public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the
Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well,
because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's
unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth




Beth Taurasi, Windows 10 edition,Cell: 720-435-7407Skype:
denverqueen0920Ms_denverqueen on TwitterInstagram: denverqueen0920Facebook:
www.facebook.com/denverqueen0920Or you can check out www.denverqueen.com for
more information.On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit
they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books
and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little
patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to
fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.





From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

To: TechTalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage



This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book
Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't
get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:
BARD Outage

Date:
Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:
Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@cde.state.co.us

To:
Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@gmail.com








Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and
mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a
message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and
running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library





Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277 | Mobile | Fax 303.727.9281 | Toll-free
1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@cde.state.co.us | www.myctbl.org
180 Sheridan Boulevard, Denver, CO 80226




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could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete,
or contain viruses. Therefore, email cannot be used to transfer files
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Re: BARD Outage

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
ah perspective is a grand thing isn’t it? It can change the entire view of a thing (smile).
And if you lived in my neighborhood you’d never compare a bard outage to a power outage. Here the latter happens all too frequently. Now that is something to be antsy about and even then there's little else we can do but report it, check intermittently for updates and occupy ourselves in the interim making sure to stay warm or cool depending on the season and well fed and hydrated (smile).
 
Robin
 
 

From: Beth
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
Ah, I am lucky I did some walking. I didn't worry too much about Bard but then I saw the note about the outage, and I felt as though the power would be out for a while. But then again, electricity being out is bigger but then again, even bigger is how the sun was out. I was able to walk, but alas, was in the wrong shoes. God, I will never wear those platforms again ... lol I'll write more in the chat thingy.
Beth
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On 9/2/2015 7:26 PM, Robin Frost wrote:
Hi,
I agree I’d have liked to have received such a notice from my library and will look into seeing if such a subscription exists. But I should also note that at least in the case of the library for the blind in Pennsylvania while it is a part of the national library service it also falls under the auspices of the local free library system so is subject to their staffing constraints.  It is also the last week of Summer a time during which many are short staffed due to vacation scheduling and such.
I suspect outage or not the earth will still rotate properly, blood will still flow as it ought in our circulatory systems and the sun will still rise in the east and if we just take a few breaths and as another poster I recently read said go outside and enjoy and interact with the world around us before we know it Bard will return to its usual functioning status.
Robin
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know Texas TBC has my email address.

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone  

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated by the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:
 
From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down
 
 
Hello,
 
 
If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:
 
 
"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."
 
 
This is all the information we have at the present time.  We do not know
when the BARD service will be back up and running.  Please keep checking the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.
 
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding!
 
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists, forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that don’t presently exist.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

 

 

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library

 



Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277  |  Mobile   |  Fax 303.727.9281  |  Toll-free 1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@...  |  www.myctbl.org
180 Sheridan Boulevard, Denver, CO 80226

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Re: BARD Outage

Beth
 

Ah, I am lucky I did some walking. I didn't worry too much about Bard but then I saw the note about the outage, and I felt as though the power would be out for a while. But then again, electricity being out is bigger but then again, even bigger is how the sun was out. I was able to walk, but alas, was in the wrong shoes. God, I will never wear those platforms again ... lol I'll write more in the chat thingy.
Beth
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On 9/2/2015 7:26 PM, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi,
I agree I’d have liked to have received such a notice from my library and will look into seeing if such a subscription exists. But I should also note that at least in the case of the library for the blind in Pennsylvania while it is a part of the national library service it also falls under the auspices of the local free library system so is subject to their staffing constraints.  It is also the last week of Summer a time during which many are short staffed due to vacation scheduling and such.
I suspect outage or not the earth will still rotate properly, blood will still flow as it ought in our circulatory systems and the sun will still rise in the east and if we just take a few breaths and as another poster I recently read said go outside and enjoy and interact with the world around us before we know it Bard will return to its usual functioning status.
Robin
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know Texas TBC has my email address.

Melissa
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On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated by the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:
 
From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down
 
 
Hello,
 
 
If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:
 
 
"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."
 
 
This is all the information we have at the present time.  We do not know
when the BARD service will be back up and running.  Please keep checking the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.
 
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding!
 
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists, forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that don’t presently exist.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

 

 

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library

 



Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
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Re: BARD Outage

Robin Frost
 

Hi,
I agree I’d have liked to have received such a notice from my library and will look into seeing if such a subscription exists. But I should also note that at least in the case of the library for the blind in Pennsylvania while it is a part of the national library service it also falls under the auspices of the local free library system so is subject to their staffing constraints.  It is also the last week of Summer a time during which many are short staffed due to vacation scheduling and such.
I suspect outage or not the earth will still rotate properly, blood will still flow as it ought in our circulatory systems and the sun will still rise in the east and if we just take a few breaths and as another poster I recently read said go outside and enjoy and interact with the world around us before we know it Bard will return to its usual functioning status.
Robin
 

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know Texas TBC has my email address.

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone  

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated by the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:
 
From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down
 
 
Hello,
 
 
If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:
 
 
"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."
 
 
This is all the information we have at the present time.  We do not know
when the BARD service will be back up and running.  Please keep checking the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.
 
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding!
 
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists, forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that don’t presently exist.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

 

 

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library

 



Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277  |  Mobile   |  Fax 303.727.9281  |  Toll-free 1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@...  |  www.myctbl.org
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Re: considering to start with Apple machines

Matt
 

Hi, well, there is several ways you can do this install windows on the Mac. One thru a virtual windows and the other is thru boot camp . Which boot camp is fairly like just installing windows like on any hard drive.  I think I would prefer boot camp to a virtual windows but it is a choice. Now if you not going to use this thing as your primary machine you might not want to get the latest and greatest . You might want to if thinking of a lap top go with the Mac book air the13 inch or the 11 inch. They also have brought back the mac book as well so that might be worth looking at. But all this being said this late in the year I think I would wait for the new ones to come out. JST !

 

 

 

From: Moty Azrad [mailto:motiaz@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:46 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] considering to start with Apple machines

 

Dear all,

 

First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.

Now my thoughts:

I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.

Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is out, soon.

I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.

I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do understand – I’m talking about MACBOOK PRO.

I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that machine.

which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.

I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.

Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.

I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very important point for me.

I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.

 

thanks for any output.

 

Moti

 


Re: IOS Download Posted Earlier, Title Change

Carlos
 

Hi Mike,
I noticed the typo and did in fact correct the subject line when I posted the message.  Although the file name itself seems to contain the same typo.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 9:15 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] IOS Download Posted Earlier, Title Change

Hi All,
 
Earlier Carlos posted a SendSpace download from me that I had named incorrectly.  The title was:
 
iPhone and iPad Essential Training for ISO.8 [Audio.MP3] (1.21 GB)
 
The correct title should be:
 
iPhone and iPad Essential Training for IOS.8 [Audio.MP3] (1.21 GB)
 
I'm sorry for the brainfart & hope I didn't inconvenience anyone too severely.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: BARD Outage

Beth
 

Security. Oh that's important. I would like to look into epub commercial audio books that are free to download, but then what? I really wanted to read a specific book by a specific author, but alas, not available on Bard or my other download sources. Oh man.
Beth
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On 9/2/2015 6:25 PM, Robin Frost wrote:

Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end issues. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists, forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that don’t presently exist.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

 

 

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library

 



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Re: BARD Outage

 

If every state sent out a notice like that I don't think there would have been so many questions about what was going on. I think even a notice telling people that they were working on it would have been peachy. I know Texas TBC has my email address. 

Melissa
Sent from my iPhone  

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Robin Frost <robini71@...> wrote:

Hi,
to further my point I’ll paste below the text of an email disseminated by the California State library for the blind as was publically posted on another list to which I subscribe. I’ll paste it in its entirety and hope that it won’t be considered a violation. It does however underscore my assertions and those of others indicating that Bard is not under current threat and that they are dealing with a technical issue which would seem to be quite involved. I hope this helps to clarify things.
Robin
Begin paste:
 
From: Braille and Talking Book
Library@CSL
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 12:22 PM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: BARD Service Down
 
 
Hello,
 
 
If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile
app have not been consistently accessible over the last few days. The
following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this
issue:
 
 
"NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels
administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We
are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service."
 
 
This is all the information we have at the present time.  We do not know
when the BARD service will be back up and running.  Please keep checking the
BARD site to see if it has been restored.
 
 
Thank you for your patience and understanding!
 
 
 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
Hi,
Well said Gene. Further more the flipside to Beth’s coin is imagine if Bard came back online but was buggy made browsers crash or machines freeze or if downloads began and then froze or were corrupted due to some back end issues.. Imagine then the avalanche of complaints lobbed on email lists, forums, social media or directly at local or state libraries the latter who could do little but field calls and sympathize. Better they should take the time to fix whatever ails it or comply with whatever regulations are put upon them perhaps in the name of security by the governmental departments charged with such and get it right.
I’m all for advocacy often engaging in such myself when it comes for instance to accessibility issues with mainstream web sites or apps for smart phones. But there’s a difference between being reactionary based on little more than emotion and speculation versus informed, focused, strategic and diplomatic advocacy related dialogs with a defined purpose and end goal in mind.
Just some food for thought.
No one is threatening Bard at the present. I see no need for an all out frontal assault. No need to swing at windmills or phantom attackers that don’t presently exist.
Robin
 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 
And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage
 

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

 

 

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library

 



Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277  |  Mobile   |  Fax 303.727.9281  |  Toll-free 1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@...  |  www.myctbl.org
180 Sheridan Boulevard, Denver, CO 80226



     

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IOS Download Posted Earlier, Title Change

Mike B. <mb69mach1@...>
 

Hi All,
 
Earlier Carlos posted a SendSpace download from me that I had named incorrectly.  The title was:
 
iPhone and iPad Essential Training for ISO.8 [Audio.MP3] (1.21 GB)
 
The correct title should be:
 
iPhone and iPad Essential Training for IOS.8 [Audio.MP3] (1.21 GB)
 
I'm sorry for the brainfart & hope I didn't inconvenience anyone too severely.
Take care.
Mike
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Re: BARD Outage

Beth
 

Hmmm, true. A decent and intelligent person, someone who is prepared, not that all people don't have brains. lol But I have a hundred books, and because of the micro SD card failure, I lost all my mobile downloads. Some of which I should've had hard zip copies of. But alas, can't do it now. I need to look into those sources you mentioned. Where can they be played? Gotta think about this.
Beth
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On 9/2/2015 6:11 PM, Gene wrote:

And it is not true that you can't get books when Bard is down even if you have no other subscription to a pay for use service.  There are a lot of books available through Project Gutenberg (spelling) that are books that are old enough to be in the public domain.  There are other such sites as well.  Librivox (spelling) consists of public domain books that people have recorded for audio listening. 
 
And a prudent person would keep a few books available downloaded from Bard so that an unexpected outage doesn't result in a crisis. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

Yes all this is true you just said . But nothing is perfect and there will be always someone or some places that just don’t have the same benefit of living in a large city. I have never lived in a large city or really city. I lived all my life way out in the country side! So there is lots of things others in a city has access to that I don’t but that is not their fault or any government agency or any company fault. It is my choice and some of it is in some cases I cannot do no better because of limit of income or whatever! But that is still not the fault of a company, or government agency or some service that is provided. JMT!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 7:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

I'm not exactly thinking that the world owes us, but not everybody has a great library like I do. Denver, thank God has a talking book library right up the road from me. Come to think of it, it is right on Sheridan, right there and I can pop over there and look at books, but not all of us have access to a library with audible books and so on. Most of the resources I have seen have commercial privacy all over them. I've got an SSI check, not enough to subscribe to monthly Audible dot com, so I rely heavily on some of the resources NLS provides. I don't want anyone to think "the world owes someone this" but there's places in the U.S. where books are out of reach, and families often have control of our finances as a general rule. I lived in Titusville, penniless for years, had no way my parents would get me an Audible account. Now that I live in Denver, I'm not penniless, but still, I am too poor to afford monthly subscriptions amounting to $20 or more. I try to calculate how much I can afford but if it's yearly, I can deal with that so long as money is saved, but hardly it is. I still have the tech bills to pay, rent to pay, etc. I'm lucky I can pay that at all. The weird thing is my rent went down six bucks this month and next. But here's the deal: I'm trying to see things from the perspective I once held in Titusville in Florida, a rural town with no access to adult reading content, and I had no money to handle via credit card, which okay, I got numbers wrong, but most book subscriptions I know of require a credit card. Most of the blind I've associated with are controlled or cajoled by families, or they live with families. My own boyfriend isn't much for books, but he should be if he wants to be. Bard would be his only resource for books because he has no credit card. I have no clue where the Phoenix talking book place is, so yeah. Technical problems like this are a huge deal when the person in question is unable to use a credit card, can't because of family, or doesn't have the right up the road access that I do.
Beth

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On 9/2/2015 5:35 PM, Matt wrote:

No I don’t think it is at 80 percent of the books any more at all. There is too many resources out there for us. They don’t owe you anything it is a service that the government provides for us free thru tax payer dollars. They don’t have to provide the service. Also it is a pain but yes you can go to the local library and pick up some audio books and brail books and other books to be scanned in and read to you. So it is not like the library is not accessible to us! Stop thinking everyone and everything owes us blind people something special. Yes we should have reasonable commendations and yes we should if at all possible have every opportunity to do what most of our seeing people can do. But just remember there is a lot of other type of handicaps than just blindness. A lot of them handicap people don’t get near what we get in help! So appreciate what we have and thank goodness we are a live and can enjoy some of these things! JMO!

 

 

 

From: Beth [mailto:thebluesisloose@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 6:54 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

Marie,
I understand I should be patient, but patience never paid off. We blind people can't just go to a library and pick up books we like, and Bard is for some about 80% of book access, so you have to admit that this error is unprecedented, but I say it's unacceptable because it's not good for the public eye for the site to be down for this many days. Remember the Congressional Kindergarten class that resulted in the shutdown? Well, because of a Tea Party full of greed, we lost access to books, and that's unfair. I won't let that happen to me or thousands of other readers.
Beth


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On 9/2/2015 3:34 PM, Marie wrote:

Beth,

I understand your frustration with the Bard site but you must admit they have done a very creditable job of providing us with the digital books and the mobile app which is great. I would think we could have a little patience with their current difficulties. I am sure they are working hard to fix the problems and will have the site up as soon as they can.

Marie

.

 

 

From: Beth

Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:40 AM

Subject: [TechTalk] Fwd: BARD Outage

 

This is the latest I have on Bard from Colorado's Talking Book Library, and I'm going to literally fudge the Congress people if they can't get us back our books soon. No more errors! Please!
Beth



-------- Forwarded Message --------

Subject:

BARD Outage

Date:

Wed, 2 Sep 2015 10:18:37 -0600

From:

Teresa Kalber mailto:kalber_t@...

To:

Beth Taurasi mailto:thebluesisloose@...





Good morning,

If you are a BARD user you may have noticed that the BARD website and mobile app have not been accessible over the last day. The following is a message from the National Library Service regarding this issue:

“NLS is experiencing technical problems with communication channels administered by the Library of Congress that are necessary to run BARD. We are making every effort to fix the problem and restore service.”

This is all the information we have at the present time.

We will send out another message as soon as BARD is back up and running.

Thank you for your patience and understanding!

Sincerely,

Colorado Talking Book Library

 



Teresa Kalber
Network Systems Administrator
Colorado Talking Book Library
303.727.9277  |  Mobile   |  Fax 303.727.9281  |  Toll-free 1.800.685.2136
Kalber_T@...  |  www.myctbl.org
180 Sheridan Boulevard, Denver, CO 80226



     

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Re: Gutenberg and Capella voice

Juanita Martin <jordmartin@...>
 

I'm using the Voice Dream app. There doesn't seem to be a way to select the Capella voice once I'm using Gutenberg.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Marie <magpie.mn@gmail.com> wrote:

they work quite well with the Gutenberg books.
Marie


-----Original Message----- From: Juanita Martin
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2015 5:20 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Gutenberg and Capella voice

I downloaded a book from Gutenberg and I want to listen to it using the Sharon Capella voice. Is this possible, or do the Voice Dream voices only work with Book Share?


Sent from my iPhone




considering to start with Apple machines

Moty Azrad
 

Dear all,
 
First, greetings to you all here in the new list and a lot of thanks to Carlos, who helps all of us everywhere.
Now my thoughts:
I’m using for fourteen years or so the system operation of Microsoft.
Now, I use Win 7 pro and think to upgrade it – when Jaws 17 is out, soon.
I’ve two laptops, one is 8 years and the other one is five years old.
I think to start now using the laptop of Apple and as I do understand – I’m talking about MACBOOK PRO.
I really wish to get your thoughts, your experience with that machine.
which one do I have to purchase and any other helpful information.
I’ve read about it but really don’t have any experience and the world and the way Apple acts with its systems.
Again, I do understand that it is a very general question but any information, any experience will be greatly appreciated.
I’m totally blind and use Braille Display and it’s a very important point for me.
I also know that I can install the system of Microsoft on these machine of Apple and wish to know how really this works.
 
thanks for any output.
 
Moti
 



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