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Mouse does not reading with NVDA.

M Banin
 

Hi everyone,
recently for no reasons the mouse speech has been stopped talking when I move the mouse the Courso does moving around as normal, but I could not able to hear any speech from the NVDA.
anyone know how can I fix this problem? I wanted to enable the speech back to the normal again. however When I click on right Mouse I could hear the  application key of menu it does working just fine .
I'm using Window 8.1.
Thank in advance.
Michael.


its time for NVDA Con 2020.

 

Dear NVDA users, software developers, and accessibility enthusiasts
around the world!

I am Austin Pinto, one of the members of the NVDACon international
planning Committee. NVDA (Nonvisual Desktop Access) is a free and open
source screen reader that allows blind people around the world access
to technology at no greater cost than their sighted peers. You can
find out more about NVDA at http://www.nvaccess.org.

The NVDA conference started out in 2014 so that users of the screen
reader could connect and talk to other screen reader users. Every
year, we host a conference on NVDA, with topics to be presented by the
NVDA community.

We are currently planning for hour 7th NVDACon for the NVDA
community. This conference will be held in December 4to6 2020. Some of
our presenters for this conference include NV Access and more,
We are excited for NVDACon 2020, and we hope you are excited too! The
website is
nvdacon.org, and you can follow us on twitter @NVDACon We are also
on Facebook. just do a search for NVDACon.
Thank you
Austin Pinto


Re: Twitter

Cristóbal
 

The TW-Blue developer was having some familial issues. There was even a GoFundMe to try to help him get out of his particular situation a couple of months back. I don’t think he stopped developing it as much as he just has other stuff going on in his life right now. easyChirp which was another accessible twitter client recently announced that they're abandoning  the project.

On Nov 1, 2020, at 5:07 AM, Hope Williamson <webspinner@...> wrote:



I actually don't think TWBlue is being developed at all. It will still work though, until Twitter changes something.

On 10/31/2020 2:18 PM, Fawaz Abdul rahman wrote:

I believe most people use twitter clients such as tw Blue, that is on windows, on iOS the official app or twitterrific quite good option.

I think only tw blue is being developed now a days although it needs to be updated as well but still it is functioning fine.

Good luck.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:38 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Twitter

 

Hi all,

I'm thinking about getting Twitter, is there anyone on hear who uses it with

Jaws? If so, how easy and accessible is it to use? How well does it work with

Edge? Any shortcuts or tips/tricks that any of you have? And finally, is there a

basic site similar to the ones Facebook has? I know it's not like Facebook, but

still. Look forward to any help/suggestions that anyone can provide, as I don't

really know anything about Twitter!!! Thanks Madison

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Blaster
 

When your logged into this guest account, Try the key command Ctrl
plus Alt plus Delete keys.
Do you have the options to switch user or log off from the guest account?
I'm just wondering if you can get to the admin account this way.


Blaster

On 11/22/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
So much for the promise of Bootsafe. You need allow the program to make
changes to your computer via the UAC dialog, and as I said from the very
beginning, I am locked onto a non-privileged account. Talk about
frustrating!


On 11/22/2020 8:57 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
This looks ver'r'r'ry promising. Will report back. THANK YOU!


On 11/21/2020 8:28 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, This is a long shot, but see if you can run this free program.

www.d7xTech.com/free-software/bootsafe

HTH,
Blaster



On 11/21/20, Blaster Nil8 <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing
to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses
{default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may
want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster








Re: need to delete an account in outlook

Terry Olandese
 

That took care of it. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Blaster
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 8:54 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] need to delete an account in outlook

Terry, I don't have Outlook 2010, but Loy posted this suggestion to another lister and I saved it because it looked important.

Here it is:

To remove an email account.
Open Outlook,
press alt F I S A .
There you will have a button to remove it.

HTH,
Blaster

On 11/21/20, Terry Olandese <olandese@...> wrote:
Hello! I'm running windows 7, jaws 14, and microsoft's outlook 2010. I
need to delete a gmail account from my computer. I've looked around,
but I'm missing something. Can someone give me steps for doing that? Thanks.







Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

I just had another thought. I'm going to make a recovery disk from another machine, boot that, then try running Bootsafe from that environment.

On 11/22/2020 8:57 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
This looks ver'r'r'ry promising. Will report back. THANK YOU!


On 11/21/2020 8:28 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, This is a long shot, but see if you can run this free program.

www.d7xTech.com/free-software/bootsafe

HTH,
Blaster



On 11/21/20, Blaster Nil8 <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve,  Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster



Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

So much for the promise of Bootsafe. You need allow the program to make changes to your computer via the UAC dialog, and as I said from the very beginning, I am locked onto a non-privileged account. Talk about frustrating!

On 11/22/2020 8:57 AM, Steve Matzura wrote:
This looks ver'r'r'ry promising. Will report back. THANK YOU!


On 11/21/2020 8:28 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, This is a long shot, but see if you can run this free program.

www.d7xTech.com/free-software/bootsafe

HTH,
Blaster



On 11/21/20, Blaster Nil8 <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve,  Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster



Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

This looks ver'r'r'ry promising. Will report back. THANK YOU!

On 11/21/2020 8:28 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, This is a long shot, but see if you can run this free program.

www.d7xTech.com/free-software/bootsafe

HTH,
Blaster



On 11/21/20, Blaster Nil8 <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster


Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

Narrator works fine, but holding down the SHIFT Key and pressing the ENTER key doesn't do what it's supposed to do. The machine just restarts and I'm back to the loop all over again.

On 11/21/2020 8:22 PM, Blaster wrote:
Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster









Re: Where does one get portable?

John Sanfilippo
 

Ah, ok,that's where I got it. So I guess it's ok.

John


Re: accessing an element on a website problem

Kimsan <kimsansong@...>
 

I have google chrome and edge.
I do have NVDA and I was able to play the samples.
Not sure why I'm having an issue locating the clickables with jaws.
I guess I will use NVDA with this site.
Thanks to all who have responded.

Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 3:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem

This may not be a JAWS problem. I don't know what would happen if you tried NVDA, but you may want to and also try a different browser such as Thunderbird or Internet Explorer; I have no idea what is on your machine.
You could try a different browser with JAWS and then with NVDA and you could try Chrome as well.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 5:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem



Using Genes suggestion by loading another version of jaws and yours
switching schemes, after trying multiple ones, its not reading the
clickables using chrome.

I’m stumped.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Try changing schemes while in Chrome to see if anything changes.




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government
program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:23 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Lately, no.

On another list, yes I spoke of schemes but nothing was modified.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Okay, did you modify a scheme somewhere along the line so Jaws won't report
clickable?




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government
program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 1:58 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







I actually found this tip on a google search from 2016 from a jaws list but
in short that box was already checked.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:54 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Yo Dog,







Check this setting from the steps below:



From: Carlos via BlindTech
In
"Settings Center"
under the
"Web / HTML / PDFs"
category, there is a subcategory labeled
"Miscellaneous"
Under
"Miscellaneous"
there is a setting labeled
"Indicate Element Attribute"
Unchecking this setting will stop Jaws from saying
"Clickable"
Although I would not recommend this since there are times when you will miss
out on elements of webpages that may be useful and are clickable.
Carlos



If that setting is unchecked, check it, to get clickable back.




Take care and stay safe. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. Go Rams!
Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government
program.



----- Original Message -----



From: Kimsan via groups.io



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 10:43 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem







Thanks Ron,

I cannot seem to hear the announcement of clickable though, and I’m trying
to figure out how to turn it back on as I must’ve turned it off lol.





Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron
Canazzi
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 9:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] accessing an element on a website problem





Hi Kinsam,

Navigate to the line of text that reads as follows:
This pack includes royalty free Melody loops, MIDI, and stems for every
melody.

On the line just below this text is a group of items labeled clickable.
There is no text associated with these 'clickable' items. Press enter on
these items and the samples will play.

Repeat the process for each group of clickable items below and other samples
will play.



On 11/20/2020 8:47 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:



Hi,

I’m using jaws 2020 and latest chrome.

If anyone has time, can someone navigate to this website and help me find
the play button?

This site has soundpacks which are a collection of melodies etc. I’m trying
to listen to some of the contents in one of the packs.

I cannot seem to locate the play button though.

So, if anyone would like to look and try, after going to the site, search
for night, and night fall should pop up.

I would push enter, left mouse click, but cannot seem to play anything.

https://cymatics.fm/collections/store/products/gems-vol-10-rnb-melodies-collection#MainContent



Kimsan Song

kimsansong@...

If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA

Also, you may follow me on twitter:

https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.They ask: "How Happy are You?"I Say:
"I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: IOS 14.2.1 notifications not appearing

enes sarıbaş
 

Sorry meant all 12 line.

On 11/21/2020 7:33 PM, gbmagoo@... wrote:
You need to know your information 14.2.1 is available on the iPhone 12 also because I have it on my phone and I am not a beta tester and I have no trouble with notifications
On Nov 21, 2020, at 16:43, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have the IPhone 12 pro max, and I have an issue with IOS. I am running the latest version, and in 14.2.1, which is only available for the pro line, the issue of many app notifications not appearing continues from 14.2. Does anyone know of a solution?







Re: need to delete an account in outlook

Blaster
 

Terry, I don't have Outlook 2010, but Loy posted this suggestion to
another lister and I saved it because it looked important.

Here it is:

To remove an email account.
Open Outlook,
press alt F I S A .
There you will have a button to remove it.

HTH,
Blaster

On 11/21/20, Terry Olandese <olandese@...> wrote:
Hello! I'm running windows 7, jaws 14, and microsoft's outlook 2010. I need
to delete a gmail account from my computer. I've looked around, but I'm
missing something. Can someone give me steps for doing that? Thanks.







Re: IOS 14.2.1 notifications not appearing

gbmagoo@...
 

You need to know your information 14.2.1 is available on the iPhone 12 also because I have it on my phone and I am not a beta tester and I have no trouble with notifications

On Nov 21, 2020, at 16:43, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I have the IPhone 12 pro max, and I have an issue with IOS. I am running the latest version, and in 14.2.1, which is only available for the pro line, the issue of many app notifications not appearing continues from 14.2. Does anyone know of a solution?






need to delete an account in outlook

Terry Olandese
 

Hello! I’m running windows 7, jaws 14, and microsoft’s outlook 2010. I need to delete a gmail account from my computer. I’ve looked around, but I’m missing something. Can someone give me steps for doing that? Thanks.


Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Blaster
 

Steve, This is a long shot, but see if you can run this free program.

www.d7xTech.com/free-software/bootsafe

HTH,
Blaster

On 11/21/20, Blaster Nil8 <blaster.nil8@...> wrote:
Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster









Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Blaster
 

Not having access to narrator to press the power button on the login
screen is troubling. Are you saying that the Windows key + Ctrl +
Enter doesn't bring up narrator?

As far as using the command prompt, I'd try either because it's
possible it won't execute due to the admin access lockdown.
Give it a whirl,

Blaster

On 11/21/20, Steve Matzura <number6@...> wrote:
1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the
sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access
to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the
Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER
doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I
press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first
posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default}
instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from
which I cannot escape other than by answering no.



On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to
try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster









IOS 14.2.1 notifications not appearing

enes sarıbaş
 

Hi all,

I have the IPhone 12 pro max, and I have an issue with IOS. I am running the latest version, and  in 14.2.1, which is only available for the pro line, the issue of many app notifications not appearing continues from 14.2. Does anyone know of a solution?


Re: Rebooting into Safe Mode in Windows 10

Steve Matzura
 

1. How do I click anything once I've found the POWER button on the sign-in screen? There's no screenreader alive that will give me access to that, or I haven't figured out how to get that access. Tabbing to the Restart button, then holding down the SHIFT key while pressing ENTER doesn't do it.


2. Once the computer restarts, there's no speech. So what key(s) do I press to get into Troubleshooting, then Advanced? That was in my first posted question.


3. In the solution using BCDEDIT, I've also seen one that uses {default} instead of {bootmgr}. Which one is correct, and do I need the braces?


4. I can't use MSCONFIG because it tosses me into a UAC screen from which I cannot escape other than by answering no.

On 11/21/2020 6:53 PM, Blaster wrote:
Steve, Here's a few more ways to enter safe mode that you may want to try:

https://pureinfotech.com/safe-mode-windows-10/

HTH,
Blaster




Re: Apple vs Windows?

Jaffar Sidek
 

Hi.  I actually don't agree.  While ribbons can take a while to get use too, once you get the drift, the experience is as rewarding as it is with menus.  Furthermore, from a design standpoint, ribbons take up less space on the application window while allowing for more items to be displayed on a particular bar.  Menu designs can be quite unweildy and difficult to manage if designed and programmed without thought, and while screen readers tend not to show what actually goes on behind the scenes, an unweildy menu may hide a lot of the application window if not propperly managed, and this will cause accessibility issues for the sighted user, which just goes to show the dilemma when coding and designing for accessibility because access must be considered for the sighted as well.  Cheers!

On 22/11/2020 6:43 am, enes sarıbaş wrote:
Gene,

While ribbons are more accessible than people give them credit for, there is absolutely no doubt that menu bars were vastly superior in terms of accessibility. Ribbons seemed to be designed with the mouse in mind.

On 11/19/2020 12:49 PM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
no, I haven't, and find them a complete pane, as I just can't figure out how to find things easily in the flaming things.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 4:04 PM
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Did you see my tutorial on ribbons?  I can't say how you will find them if you haven't seen it and now do, but in the majority of cases, people have a lot of probems witgh ribbons because they haven't been properly taught them or havenn't seen good instructional material, if any.  In essense, and it isn't quite this simple, but in essence, ribbons are like menus but differently organized.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

would definitely agree about the time to figure out another OS.
I was recently looking to possibly get away from windows, as I am not happy
with the way it is going with all these ribbon menus and so on, so thought
about going the mac rout. only to find, that unlike windows, one can't even
do the basics with out knowing a good few 3 key plus combinations. so would
say that there is a lot more to have to spend time figuring out with the
mac, to do anything at all with it, where as windows is certainly a bit
easier from that point.

as for the mobile side of things, I use both iPhone and android, and would
say that once one is used to using a touch screen, that is a good half the
battle. over all, I probably prefer the iPhone, but do prefer the android as
a media device, as getting stuff on and off of it is a lot easier, as it can
be done with standard windows explorer, rather than the messing about with
iTunes, to get stuff on or off of the iPhone.

Simon


----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?


I'm not sure there is an answer.  for the typical user, I doubt there is a meaningful advantage one way or the other.  I won't use Apple computers because I know Windows and it isn't worth my time and effort learning another operating system when I am already very profficient in one.

there may be some specific uses that are better dealt with in apple computers and some in Windows but I don't think, as I said, that for the typical user, it matters.

Then there is the cost of  Apple computers.  You pay a lot more.

I won't comment on mobile devices.  I haven't used smart mobile devices.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 9:08 AM
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Subject: [TechTalk] Apple vs Windows?

Hello,


For those who have both, or experience with both Systems, Which has the
better support when it comes to over all Accessibility?


Not trying to start World War 8, but I keep noticing lots of articles
and pod casts explaining Apple Accessibility features. this would cover
the Apple Mac, the I-Pad, and the I-Phone.


I don't own an Apple products, but am open to it.  With what seems to be
an increase in articles, over the last year or two, it just had me
wondering how good are the Apple products?


I find all the Operating Systems to be lacking when it comes to
Accessibility.  Seems like we move ahead one or two steps, then take a
step or two back.


I personally use Windows and Android.  have yet to own anything Apple.


Grumpy Dave

























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