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Re: Blindshell phone questions

Monte Single
 

Hi List,

The Blind Shell Classic is an interesting animal.
It has a combination of features that I like;
First, it has keys you can feel. Smart phone don't, there may be an
exception.
Second, you can dictate text messages to the Blind Shell Classic.
So-called "feature" phones do have buttons, but you cannot dictate text
messages.
So, personally, I am living with a second-hand I phone 7 to which I can
dictate text messages, but it has no buttons.
When it comes to entering info, passwords, codes, card numbers, etc, on a
smart phone, I'm a clutz.

I would buy a Blind Shell Classic, but right now, it's just a bit pricey
given the difference between the value of the Canadian and US dollars.
Personally I don't care that the Blind Shell Classic does not have a
browser.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Cheers, and live safely,

Monte

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: December 5, 2020 3:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Oh yes, I did hear that the Shell does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic; the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it. Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

Never mind; you did say it is a feature phone, thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 4:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

It isn't a feature phone? What is it, please?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

The Blind Shell Phone isn't a feature phone.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm
thinking you have a smart toy of some kind like many of us
in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio
station, did you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or
not you can install your own preferred apps on the
Blindshell toy because if you can't, you'd need to weigh
your options carefully with regards to adopting it into your
smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York
Times as an example, I must install its app on any of my
toys dedicated for such business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply
alerts you when there's something cooking with respect to an
app that supports it. Example, I have the Robinhood app
installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks; so, each
day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a
notification that lets me know how well the stocks I'm
monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the
same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

And, to think, in 2018, I bought a new iPhone SE for $150 from my carrier, but, a bargain is not a bargain if one has difficulties with touch screens. I do understand that, because they did not come easy for me.

I had an Android tablet that I liked, but did not spend enough time with. Then, the Hadley videos made it possible for me to catch on to how to use the iPhone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 1:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

This discussion raises the question of whether the Shell phone does enough to justify its cost. Perhaps there are people on the list who are familiar with the various feature phones that are reasonably accessible and who might comment. It appears to me that not many blind people are. Almost all discussion and articles written concerning accessible phones are about smart phones and it appears few blind people have worked with enough feature phones to compare them. But such knowledge might be of considerable use to those who do not want smart phones but want a feature phone to do such things as text, perhaps e-mail, and use other features of feature phones such as the calendar, the note taker, the voice recorder, the MP3 player, and perhaps others.


While the shell phone, from discussions here, allows good editing of texts and, I would imagine provides good access to e-mail and editing messages you write, is that worth over three hundred dollars when there are so much less expensive options? Of course, people will have to decide for themselves but I remain unconvinced that for a lot of feature phone users, the Shell Phone is worth the money. While its annoying not to be able to edit texts, you can still get your point across, even if you allow errors in your texts because they are difficult to correct in many other feature phones. You may want to be very careful to keep errors to a minimum or rewrite a message to eliminate them. But imperfect texts, it is my impression that texts are a sloppy medium anyway, may be a good exchange for saving perhaps 150 or 200 dollars. If I were away from home a lot, I might spend the extra money to get good access to e-mail. But what am I giving up in exchange? My phone, costing something like 150 or 200 dollars less, can play YouTube material and has limited use of the Google assistant, which I use to play it.


I'm not sure I would want to give that up if the Shell phone doesn't have that ability and I would have to be away enough and long enough that lack of e-mail access would matter, more than a day or two now and then.


In short, I'm not saying that blind people not get a Blind Shell Phone, but at the same time, I think considerably more discussion of comparisons between that phone and other reasonably accessible feature phones would be helpful, if knowledgeable people are on the list.


I don't have the knowledge. I know my phone, but I haven't used any other currently available ones.


Gene

On 12/5/2020 11:43 AM, Laz wrote:
Correct on both counts Monte; no browser and no user-installed apps on
the Blindshell classic phone.

Laz

On 12/5/20, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic; the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it.
Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular
day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado












Re: Blindshell phone questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

It isn't a feature phone? What is it, please?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 12:47 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

The Blind Shell Phone isn't a feature phone.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm
thinking you have a smart toy of some kind like many of us
in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio
station, did you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or
not you can install your own preferred apps on the
Blindshell toy because if you can't, you'd need to weigh
your options carefully with regards to adopting it into your
smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York
Times as an example, I must install its app on any of my
toys dedicated for such business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply
alerts you when there's something cooking with respect to an
app that supports it. Example, I have the Robinhood app
installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks; so, each
day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a
notification that lets me know how well the stocks I'm
monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the
same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

Oh yes, I did hear that the Shell does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 12:34 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the
blind shell classic; the blind shell classic does not have
a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm
thinking you have a smart toy of some kind like many of us
in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio
station, did you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or
not you can install your own preferred apps on the
Blindshell toy because if you can't, you'd need to weigh
your options carefully with regards to adopting it into your
smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York
Times as an example, I must install its app on any of my
toys dedicated for such business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply
alerts you when there's something cooking with respect to an
app that supports it. Example, I have the Robinhood app
installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks; so, each
day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a
notification that lets me know how well the stocks I'm
monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the
same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Carolyn Arnold
 

This Carolyn has an iPhone, but that stock monitoring sounds
interesting, might try to see how that one works, and, of
course, the news is easy to get on an iPhone.

I know nothing about the Blind Shell Classic.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Olusegun --
Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 12:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm
thinking you have a smart toy of some kind like many of us
in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio
station, did you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or
not you can install your own preferred apps on the
Blindshell toy because if you can't, you'd need to weigh
your options carefully with regards to adopting it into your
smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York
Times as an example, I must install its app on any of my
toys dedicated for such business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply
alerts you when there's something cooking with respect to an
app that supports it. Example, I have the Robinhood app
installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks; so, each
day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a
notification that lets me know how well the stocks I'm
monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the
same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: has anyone found a solution to the pay pal issue

murry <lists@...>
 


yes that is what i had to do.  I had to load i e to get  paypal to show the edit boxes.   very annoying.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] has anyone found a solution to the pay pal issue

The other day when I couldn't send money using google chrome I briefly loaded internet explorer and that worked for me. I'm running windows 10 and jaws 2020.

Troy



On 12/5/2020 7:24 AM, joanne wrote:
I know Pay Pal problems have been brought up recently, and in my case I can't send because the page looks blank upon selecting the recipient I planned on sending to. Has a work-around been implemented using Jaws 19 and windows 7? Thanks. Also I'm using Brave, so does PayPal perhaps work better on a different browser?
 
Joanne
 


Seeking BT keyboard to pare with 2 computers

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi group,

I need a BT keyboard which will work simultaneously with my 2 Win 10 PCs. I
currently use the wireless Logitech K270 with my desktop and I like it a
lot. I'm looking for the features of the K270 (mainly full-size keyboard and
lightweight) in a keyboard which allows me to connect to my computers.
Please post your relevant suggestions.

Thanks,
Norma


Re: has anyone found a solution to the pay pal issue

Andy
 


I had the same issue with Chrome, and found that either MS Edge or Firefox did the trick.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] has anyone found a solution to the pay pal issue

The other day when I couldn't send money using google chrome I briefly loaded internet explorer and that worked for me. I'm running windows 10 and jaws 2020.

Troy



On 12/5/2020 7:24 AM, joanne wrote:
I know Pay Pal problems have been brought up recently, and in my case I can't send because the page looks blank upon selecting the recipient I planned on sending to. Has a work-around been implemented using Jaws 19 and windows 7? Thanks. Also I'm using Brave, so does PayPal perhaps work better on a different browser?
 
Joanne
 


Re: Alcatel Go Flip3

Terrilynne Pomeroy
 

Thanks Gene. I do like the idea of having a simple inexpensive phone which is not a touch screen. Really, the only thing that has held me back is that I had a Samsung Haven which was great as a phone, but the texting was annoying. If there was anyway to review what you had written as a text, I never figured it out. And I occasionally got a text from a friend which it just didn't read. I was never sure why.

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2020 11:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Alcatel Go Flip3

It works with 4G. I would expect just about any phone now to do so. All or most of the major carriers will close their 3g networks soon.

Quirks include a bug in the alarm. Whether that matters depends on whether you will use the alarm and how much. If you change the alarm time, the old time will still remaihn active for a day and the new one will be, too. So if you want the alarm to go off at nine A.M. and it was previously set for seven A.M., for one day, it will go off at both times.

The phone has the quirk of saying the word contacts, when you do something to make it light up such as open the lid or press a button after a period of inactivity when its in a power-saving state. It talks at times when it isn't supposed to. When I'm on the phhone and I do something to make the phone light up, it may read the time and date on the screen, if the information regarding the time and date changes. If the minute changes, for example, it may read the time and date.

it often won't announce something and waits for you to do something. For example, if I move to contacts from the home screen, it often announces contacts, search, contacts as the phone switches. For some reason, it switches between contacts, search for search contacts, then back to contacts again and the changes are announced. But it often will say nothing and if I start moving through the contacts, it will read the contacts as I move through them.

If I open the voice recorder, it may not announce the file it is on and if it doesn't it says nothing else to tell you the program has opened. If I move from file to file, the information will be announced or if I play the file I am on, it will play. I can think of another quirk and there may be ones I haven't thought of now, but I consider them worth putting up with considering how much money I saved and that the phone does almost everything I want reasonably well. Some people wouldn't want to put up with such quirks but they don't bother me to any extent that matters.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 12:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Alcatel Go Flip3

Hi Gene,
You said your Alcatel Go Flip3 has some quirks. Can you tell me what some of them are? Also, do you know if is 4g accessible?

Thanks much,

TerriLynne


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

It’s the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip3. I can't recommend it compared with other accessible feature phones, because I haven't used any other currently available phones. It has some quirkss but if you don't mind them, it has some nice features I don't know if other feature phones have such as the ability to use the Google assistant to play material on Youtube and for dictating texts, and naming files you are saving, though the accuracy isn't all that good and I often have to dictate texts two or three times.

I didn't know the Google assistant could do these things until I got not just a call and text plan, but once I switched to a plan with limited data, I started playing with it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

That is very cool. Which phone are you using?

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Not necessarily. If I'm entering text and I made or think I may have made a mistake, I have the message read. Then, since I'm immediately after the mistake, if there is one, I back space until I think I've deleted the error or the word with the error and then I have the message read again. I then write the word again. I may have to go a carachter or two bback until I hear the last carachter of the previous word is missing so I know exactly where I am starting from. I don't want to write the corrected word with no space between the previous word and the word I'm correcting. Or I may go back until I hear that the first letter of the word I'm correcting is still there or the first two letters. it depends on if I can definitely tell what is there. Sometimes, its difficult such as in the case of a double letterr.

In the word correct, for example, I would go back until just co was read.

However, my phone has limited use of the Google assistant and I've started dictating most of my messages, which, although it introduces errors that may not be picked up with the not very good screen-reader in the phone, produces understandeable messages and is much faster than using the numpad input.
Sometimes, I have to dictate a message two or three times but even so, that's often faster and easier than writing it.

I'll add that my phone reads whatever is there of the current word if I press the space bar, placing a space after the word or part of the word.
That often speeds things up a lot if I am editing in this way.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 5:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

So if there is some problem halfway through, you just delete and repeat?
TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 4:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

While I doubt I'll ever get a Blind Shell Phone because I can do almost everything I want to do with far less expensive phones, one thing I wonder about is the ability to edit text messages. My feature phone allows me to write texts and read them, but I can't have anything spelled when reading, neither can I have text announced if I want to move in a message I am writing to edit it. I can have the message I'm writing read, but not by line or by word, just the message as a whole.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions



Hi all,

I would like more information about using texting with the BlindShell phone.

So if you use this phone, I would like to know:



Can you reread a text you have written to make sure it says what you want it

to?



Do you have problems reading some texts that you receive?



Can you set the phone up to receive news and similar notifications?



Thanks fo any info,



TerriLynne


Re: Alcatel Go Flip3

Gene
 

It works with 4G. I would expect just about any phone now to do so. All or most of the major carriers will close their 3g networks soon.

Quirks include a bug in the alarm. Whether that matters depends on whether you will use the alarm and how much. If you change the alarm time, the old time will still remaihn active for a day and the new one will be, too. So if you want the alarm to go off at nine A.M. and it was previously set for seven A.M., for one day, it will go off at both times.

The phone has the quirk of saying the word contacts, when you do something to make it light up such as open the lid or press a button after a period of inactivity when its in a power-saving state. It talks at times when it isn't supposed to. When I'm on the phhone and I do something to make the phone light up, it may read the time and date on the screen, if the information regarding the time and date changes. If the minute changes, for example, it may read the time and date.

it often won't announce something and waits for you to do something. For example, if I move to contacts from the home screen, it often announces contacts, search, contacts as the phone switches. For some reason, it switches between contacts, search for search contacts, then back to contacts again and the changes are announced. But it often will say nothing and if I start moving through the contacts, it will read the contacts as I move through them.

If I open the voice recorder, it may not announce the file it is on and if it doesn't it says nothing else to tell you the program has opened. If I move from file to file, the information will be announced or if I play the file I am on, it will play. I can think of another quirk and there may be ones I haven't thought of now, but I consider them worth putting up with considering how much money I saved and that the phone does almost everything I want reasonably well. Some people wouldn't want to put up with such quirks but they don't bother me to any extent that matters.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 12:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Alcatel Go Flip3

Hi Gene,
You said your Alcatel Go Flip3 has some quirks. Can you tell me what some of them are? Also, do you know if is 4g accessible?

Thanks much,

TerriLynne


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

It’s the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip3. I can't recommend it compared with other accessible feature phones, because I haven't used any other currently available phones. It has some quirkss but if you don't mind them, it has some nice features I don't know if other feature phones have such as the ability to use the Google assistant to play material on Youtube and for dictating texts, and naming files you are saving, though the accuracy isn't all that good and I often have to dictate texts two or three times.

I didn't know the Google assistant could do these things until I got not just a call and text plan, but once I switched to a plan with limited data, I started playing with it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

That is very cool. Which phone are you using?

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Not necessarily. If I'm entering text and I made or think I may have made a mistake, I have the message read. Then, since I'm immediately after the mistake, if there is one, I back space until I think I've deleted the error or the word with the error and then I have the message read again. I then write the word again. I may have to go a carachter or two bback until I hear the last carachter of the previous word is missing so I know exactly where I am starting from. I don't want to write the corrected word with no space between the previous word and the word I'm correcting. Or I may go back until I hear that the first letter of the word I'm correcting is still there or the first two letters. it depends on if I can definitely tell what is there. Sometimes, its difficult such as in the case of a double letterr.

In the word correct, for example, I would go back until just co was read.

However, my phone has limited use of the Google assistant and I've started dictating most of my messages, which, although it introduces errors that may not be picked up with the not very good screen-reader in the phone, produces understandeable messages and is much faster than using the numpad input.
Sometimes, I have to dictate a message two or three times but even so, that's often faster and easier than writing it.

I'll add that my phone reads whatever is there of the current word if I press the space bar, placing a space after the word or part of the word.
That often speeds things up a lot if I am editing in this way.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 5:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

So if there is some problem halfway through, you just delete and repeat?
TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 4:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

While I doubt I'll ever get a Blind Shell Phone because I can do almost everything I want to do with far less expensive phones, one thing I wonder about is the ability to edit text messages. My feature phone allows me to write texts and read them, but I can't have anything spelled when reading, neither can I have text announced if I want to move in a message I am writing to edit it. I can have the message I'm writing read, but not by line or by word, just the message as a whole.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions



Hi all,

I would like more information about using texting with the BlindShell phone.

So if you use this phone, I would like to know:



Can you reread a text you have written to make sure it says what you want it

to?



Do you have problems reading some texts that you receive?



Can you set the phone up to receive news and similar notifications?



Thanks fo any info,



TerriLynne


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Mary Smith
 

If there is one thing I'd like to see added to the blind shell, it would be a browser. Even a basic one  would be better than nothing.

On 2020-12-05 12:43 p.m., Laz wrote:
Correct on both counts Monte; no browser and no user-installed apps on
the Blindshell classic phone.

Laz

On 12/5/20, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic; the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it.
Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular
day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado












Re: Blindshell phone questions

Mary Smith
 

Gene, as someone who has the blind shell and has used it extensively, I'd like to say that its definitely worth the cost. I think its unfair of people to say that the phone is inadequate compared to other phones. Yes, it doesn't have some features of other phones but it definitely suits my needs. The phone is constantly being updated.

On 2020-12-05 1:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
This discussion raises the question of whether the Shell phone does enough to justify its cost.  Perhaps there are people on the list who are familiar with the various feature phones that are reasonably accessible and who might comment.  It appears to me that not many blind people are.  Almost all discussion and articles written concerning accessible phones are about smart phones and it appears few blind people have worked with enough feature phones to compare them.  But such knowledge might be of considerable use to those who do not want smart phones but want a feature phone to do such things as text, perhaps e-mail, and use other features of feature phones such as the calendar, the note taker, the voice recorder, the MP3 player, and perhaps others.


While the shell phone, from discussions here, allows good editing of texts and, I would imagine provides good access to e-mail and editing messages you write, is that worth over three hundred dollars when there are so much less expensive options?  Of course, people will have to decide for themselves but I remain unconvinced that for a lot of feature phone users, the Shell Phone is worth the money.  While its annoying not to be able to edit texts, you can still get your point across, even if you allow errors in your texts because they are difficult to correct in many other feature phones.  You may want to be very careful to keep errors to a minimum or rewrite a message to eliminate them.  But imperfect texts, it is my impression that texts are a sloppy medium anyway, may be a good exchange for saving perhaps 150 or 200 dollars.  If I were away from home a lot, I might spend the extra money to get good access to e-mail.  But what am I giving up in exchange?  My phone, costing something like 150 or 200 dollars less, can play YouTube material and has limited use of the Google assistant, which I use to play it.


I'm not sure I would want to give that up if the Shell phone doesn't have that ability and I would have to be away enough and long enough that lack of e-mail access would matter, more than a day or two now and then.


In short, I'm not saying that blind people not get a Blind Shell Phone, but at the same time, I think considerably more discussion of comparisons between that phone and other reasonably accessible feature phones would be helpful, if knowledgeable people are on the list.


I don't have the knowledge.  I know my phone, but I haven't used any other currently available ones.


Gene

On 12/5/2020 11:43 AM, Laz wrote:
Correct on both counts Monte; no browser and no user-installed apps on
the Blindshell classic phone.

Laz

On 12/5/20, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Olusegun,

I think  that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic;  the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains!  I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family.  For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it.
Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular
day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado














thunderbird 78.5.1 accessibility configuration

David Mehler
 

Hello,

I just did a Thunderbird upgrade. I'm running v78.5.1 with NVDA
v2020.3. It seems as if this new Thunderbird overwrote my previous
configuration, my accounts are still there but it seems to be bringing
up a lot of extra boxes, adverts, web pages, etc. I was wondering if
anyone had a thunderbird taming setup?

Thanks.
Dave.


Alcatel Go Flip3

Terrilynne Pomeroy
 

Hi Gene,
You said your Alcatel Go Flip3 has some quirks. Can you tell me what some of them are? Also, do you know if is 4g accessible?

Thanks much,

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

It’s the Alcatel (spelling) Go Flip3. I can't recommend it compared with other accessible feature phones, because I haven't used any other currently available phones. It has some quirkss but if you don't mind them, it has some nice features I don't know if other feature phones have such as the ability to use the Google assistant to play material on Youtube and for dictating texts, and naming files you are saving, though the accuracy isn't all that good and I often have to dictate texts two or three times.

I didn't know the Google assistant could do these things until I got not just a call and text plan, but once I switched to a plan with limited data, I started playing with it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 6:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

That is very cool. Which phone are you using?

TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 5:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Not necessarily. If I'm entering text and I made or think I may have made a mistake, I have the message read. Then, since I'm immediately after the mistake, if there is one, I back space until I think I've deleted the error or the word with the error and then I have the message read again. I then write the word again. I may have to go a carachter or two bback until I hear the last carachter of the previous word is missing so I know exactly where I am starting from. I don't want to write the corrected word with no space between the previous word and the word I'm correcting. Or I may go back until I hear that the first letter of the word I'm correcting is still there or the first two letters. it depends on if I can definitely tell what is there. Sometimes, its difficult such as in the case of a double letterr.

In the word correct, for example, I would go back until just co was read.

However, my phone has limited use of the Google assistant and I've started dictating most of my messages, which, although it introduces errors that may not be picked up with the not very good screen-reader in the phone, produces understandeable messages and is much faster than using the numpad input.
Sometimes, I have to dictate a message two or three times but even so, that's often faster and easier than writing it.

I'll add that my phone reads whatever is there of the current word if I press the space bar, placing a space after the word or part of the word.
That often speeds things up a lot if I am editing in this way.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 5:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

So if there is some problem halfway through, you just delete and repeat?
TerriLynne

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2020 4:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

While I doubt I'll ever get a Blind Shell Phone because I can do almost everything I want to do with far less expensive phones, one thing I wonder about is the ability to edit text messages. My feature phone allows me to write texts and read them, but I can't have anything spelled when reading, neither can I have text announced if I want to move in a message I am writing to edit it. I can have the message I'm writing read, but not by line or by word, just the message as a whole.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Terrilynne Pomeroy
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions



Hi all,

I would like more information about using texting with the BlindShell phone.

So if you use this phone, I would like to know:



Can you reread a text you have written to make sure it says what you want it

to?



Do you have problems reading some texts that you receive?



Can you set the phone up to receive news and similar notifications?



Thanks fo any info,



TerriLynne


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Gene
 

This discussion raises the question of whether the Shell phone does enough to justify its cost.  Perhaps there are people on the list who are familiar with the various feature phones that are reasonably accessible and who might comment.  It appears to me that not many blind people are.  Almost all discussion and articles written concerning accessible phones are about smart phones and it appears few blind people have worked with enough feature phones to compare them.  But such knowledge might be of considerable use to those who do not want smart phones but want a feature phone to do such things as text, perhaps e-mail, and use other features of feature phones such as the calendar, the note taker, the voice recorder, the MP3 player, and perhaps others.


While the shell phone, from discussions here, allows good editing of texts and, I would imagine provides good access to e-mail and editing messages you write, is that worth over three hundred dollars when there are so much less expensive options?  Of course, people will have to decide for themselves but I remain unconvinced that for a lot of feature phone users, the Shell Phone is worth the money.  While its annoying not to be able to edit texts, you can still get your point across, even if you allow errors in your texts because they are difficult to correct in many other feature phones.  You may want to be very careful to keep errors to a minimum or rewrite a message to eliminate them.  But imperfect texts, it is my impression that texts are a sloppy medium anyway, may be a good exchange for saving perhaps 150 or 200 dollars.  If I were away from home a lot, I might spend the extra money to get good access to e-mail.  But what am I giving up in exchange?  My phone, costing something like 150 or 200 dollars less, can play YouTube material and has limited use of the Google assistant, which I use to play it.


I'm not sure I would want to give that up if the Shell phone doesn't have that ability and I would have to be away enough and long enough that lack of e-mail access would matter, more than a day or two now and then.


In short, I'm not saying that blind people not get a Blind Shell Phone, but at the same time, I think considerably more discussion of comparisons between that phone and other reasonably accessible feature phones would be helpful, if knowledgeable people are on the list.


I don't have the knowledge.  I know my phone, but I haven't used any other currently available ones.


Gene

On 12/5/2020 11:43 AM, Laz wrote:
Correct on both counts Monte; no browser and no user-installed apps on
the Blindshell classic phone.

Laz

On 12/5/20, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic; the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it.
Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular
day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado












Re: Blindshell phone questions

Gene
 

I meant, the Blind Shell Phone isn't a smart phone. I wouldn't say that no apps compatible with that phone can receive push notifications but I doubt that apps have been developed that generally can.

My feature phone, one of the more capable ones in the off-the-shelf market, has many games and some other apps developed for its operating system, but nothing like the range of apps developed for smart phones and the ones I've seen when I've looked at the store are mostly games.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it. Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Gene
 

The Blind Shell Phone isn't a feature phone.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it. Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


Re: Blindshell phone questions

Laz
 

Correct on both counts Monte; no browser and no user-installed apps on
the Blindshell classic phone.

Laz

On 12/5/20, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:
Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic; the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it.
Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular
day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado











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Re: Blindshell phone questions

Monte Single
 

Hi Olusegun,

I think that user installed apps is not a feature of the blind shell
classic; the blind shell classic does not have a browser.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.
Sent: December 5, 2020 11:23 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blindshell phone questions

Terrilynne, pardon me for being behind the curtains! I'm thinking you have
a smart toy of some kind like many of us in this space.

For the Breaking News you're receiving from your local radio station, did
you have to install an app on your smart toy?

If YES in the affirmative, you'll need to know whether or not you can
install your own preferred apps on the Blindshell toy because if you can't,
you'd need to weigh your options carefully with regards to adopting it into
your smart toy family. For me, to receive news from the New York Times as
an example, I must install its app on any of my toys dedicated for such
business.

A Push Notification, if enabled on a smart toy, simply alerts you when
there's something cooking with respect to an app that supports it. Example,
I have the Robinhood app installed on my toys; I'm monitoring a few stocks;
so, each day as the market closes, the app pushes to me a notification that
lets me know how well the stocks I'm monitoring did for that particular day.
Some E-mail apps support Push Notification and will work the same way.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado

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