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Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi David and All,
David this is so true what you are saying, and I didn't mean to say a Word Processor though, but to say a Processor for the Laptop I was wanting to buy. I don't really need a Word Processor, as I will only be doing some basic editing. Thank you for this clarification. I don't know as much about computers as I would like to. So, you just tought me something. I bought a Lenovo - IdeaPad 3 15" Touch Screen Laptop - Intel Core i5-1035G1 - 12GB Memory - 256GB SSD - Platinum Grey. I won't use the touch screen though, it came with the Laptop.

Janet





Lenovo - IdeaPad 3 15" Touch Screen Laptop - Intel Core i5-1035G1 - 12GB Memory - 256GB SSD - Platinum Grey

Purchase Date: 12/21/2020

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 7:19 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Janet,
There is a difference between a word processor used for writing and editing documents as opposed to a processor in a computer which can determine its overall speed and performance. Which term are you wanting more information about?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Madison Martin
 

Jart is free right?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of David
Goldfield
Sent: December 21, 2020 7:14 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Jarte is a great word processor that is not as powerful as Word but is certainly
more robust than Wordpad. There have been some changes with the Jarte landscape,
however. First, Jarte is no longer being developed. Along those lines the Jarte
Plus program, which used to cost $20.00, is now free. Therefore, if anybody is
interested in using Jarte I would advise downloading Jarte Plus from
www.jarte.com while it's still available, considering that we don't know how
long the Web site will continue to remain operational.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Do you just want to do rather simple work or do you want more complex abilities?
I suspect that in general, word processors manufacturers put on Windows machines
are free, and maybe open source. Microsoft used to have a starter version of
Word for Windows 7 that manufacturers could put on but they haven't had anything
of the sort for a long time.

If you tell us what you want to do, you might get better tailored suggestions
There are many free word processors to choose from and I wouldn't buy a computer
based on what may be included if you can get a better laptop at a cheaper price
without one or with a different one than people like. JARTE is a good one. Open
Office and Libre Office may be good ones. Others will have to comment on that.
You can install all of them yourself. Even if you aren't comfortable installing
programs, you may be able to get enough help from the list to allow you to do
so.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hello,
The one I'm looking for is Windows.

Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

What flavour of laptop are you looking for, windows, mac, chrome book?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a
good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different
processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Janet,
There is a difference between a word processor used for writing and editing documents as opposed to a processor in a computer which can determine its overall speed and performance. Which term are you wanting more information about?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

Jarte is a great word processor that is not as powerful as Word but is certainly more robust than Wordpad. There have been some changes with the Jarte landscape, however. First, Jarte is no longer being developed. Along those lines the Jarte Plus program, which used to cost $20.00, is now free. Therefore, if anybody is interested in using Jarte I would advise downloading Jarte Plus from www.jarte.com while it's still available, considering that we don't know how long the Web site will continue to remain operational.



David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 6:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Do you just want to do rather simple work or do you want more complex abilities? I suspect that in general, word processors manufacturers put on Windows machines are free, and maybe open source. Microsoft used to have a starter version of Word for Windows 7 that manufacturers could put on but they haven't had anything of the sort for a long time.

If you tell us what you want to do, you might get better tailored suggestions There are many free word processors to choose from and I wouldn't buy a computer based on what may be included if you can get a better laptop at a cheaper price without one or with a different one than people like. JARTE is a good one. Open Office and Libre Office may be good ones. Others will have to comment on that. You can install all of them yourself. Even if you aren't comfortable installing programs, you may be able to get enough help from the list to allow you to do so.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hello,
The one I'm looking for is Windows.

Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

What flavour of laptop are you looking for, windows, mac, chrome book?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Norman
 

Hi.

Are you talking about A word processor like microsoft office? or about the physical processor in the machine like an i5 or i7?


Thanks.

On 12/21/2020 4:31 PM, Janet wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.






Re: redeeming and using an Apple e-gift card

Troy Burnham
 

Thanks Holly, appreciate the help. I'll take a look.

Troy

On 12/21/2020 1:20 PM, Holly wrote:
Troy:

Here is a link with instructions that tells you how to redeem the gift card.

Good luck!

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211163




Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Gene
 

Do you just want to do rather simple work or do you want more complex abilities? I suspect that in general, word processors manufacturers put on Windows machines are free, and maybe open source. Microsoft used to have a starter version of Word for Windows 7 that manufacturers could put on but they haven't had anything of the sort for a long time.

If you tell us what you want to do, you might get better tailored suggestions There are many free word processors to choose from and I wouldn't buy a computer based on what may be included if you can get a better laptop at a cheaper price without one or with a different one than people like. JARTE is a good one. Open Office and Libre Office may be good ones. Others will have to comment on that. You can install all of them yourself. Even if you aren't comfortable installing programs, you may be able to get enough help from the list to allow you to do so.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hello,
The one I'm looking for is Windows.

Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

What flavour of laptop are you looking for, windows, mac, chrome book?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a
good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different
processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have the Microsoft Office Suite on my Windows 10, but it
could be that someone else knows of others compatible with
Windows so that you could make a choice.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 5:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help
Please.

Hello,
The one I'm looking for is Windows.

Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help
Please.

What flavour of laptop are you looking for, windows, mac,
chrome book?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what
to look for in a good Word Processor though, as I've noticed
some Laptops have different processors in them, so I'm not
for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: nylon cane holsters?

Monte Single
 

Hi Madison and list,

In 2013 when I progressed from low vision to no vision, I purchased a
couple of cheap talking time machines; not watches, more like fobs or
small travel alarms.
In less than a year, they were both dead. Not worth replacing the battery.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison
Martin
Sent: December 21, 2020 12:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

Hi Keeth and all,
I just checked The Braille Superstore, and here's what I found:



This place is wonderful, with grate customer service!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann
Parsons
Sent: December 21, 2020 6:43 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

Hi all,

Gene, a cane holster is used when one isn't using one's cane, e.g. when
riding in a car, when walking with a sighted guide, when sitting and waiting
for a ride, when carrying stuff into your house that requires two hands.

Because the holster has a strap that is buckled around the waist, if you
stow your cane in the holster, you won't drop it or leave it somewhere.
It's a convenience.

I've looked on Amazon, but couldn't find them, try The Braille Super Store.

Ann P.

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Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Janet
 

Hello,
The one I'm looking for is Windows.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 3:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

What flavour of laptop are you looking for, windows, mac, chrome book?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a
good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different
processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Monte Single
 

What flavour of laptop are you looking for, windows, mac, chrome book?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: December 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a
good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different
processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi Everyone,
I am wanting to buy a Windows Laptop, but I don't know what to look for in a good Word Processor though, as I've noticed some Laptops have different processors in them, so I'm not for sure what to look for.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Janet
Peace Be With You.


Re: nvda with eloquence

Nimer Jaber
 

I already stated that a user who has installed a product which contains an unrestricted version of ViaVoice can use that copy, however this add-on that is referenced on a site which is full of illegal software is not one of those programs. Whether you believe the question is open for debate is up to you, my view on this is pretty clear though that there is no way to use Eloquence legally unless it has been purchased and licenced for use, or bundled with another product. There is not an exception for ViaVoice. Unfortunately, or fortunately, we're talking about old outdated software, so I'm not sure how that legal precedence would hold up in a court, but either way, I don't think a list moderator should be leaving it open to interpretation whether an illegal add-on from a site full of illegal software should be permitted or not. Up to you though, of course, this is your list.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:41 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Not necessarily.  Here is a brief excerpt from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_ViaVoice

In 1997, ViaVoice was first introduced to the general public. Two years later, in 1999, IBM released a free of charge version of ViaVoice.


Also, and this may or may not bare on the question, products that I have used that install Via Voice don't install it in a

restricted manner, evidently IBM didn't or doesn't require that it be restricted.  I consider this an opened question.

On 12/21/2020 1:21 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
IBm Via Voice was bundled into other software, it was, as far as I know, never made open-source or free for use on its own. So same thing that I said applies.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But the reference was to IBm Via Voice.  I don't know what its status is.  I
suspect it is illegal to not pay for it but I haven't heard much of any
discussion of it for years.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence


Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence
first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence,
but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an
illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for
distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to
that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which
wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal
ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it
for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5
Eloquence.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
>
>
>
> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
>
>
>
>
>
> David Goldfield,
>
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
>
> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>









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Re: nvda with eloquence

Gene
 

Not necessarily.  Here is a brief excerpt from Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_ViaVoice

In 1997, ViaVoice was first introduced to the general public. Two years later, in 1999, IBM released a free of charge version of ViaVoice.


Also, and this may or may not bare on the question, products that I have used that install Via Voice don't install it in a

restricted manner, evidently IBM didn't or doesn't require that it be restricted.  I consider this an opened question.

On 12/21/2020 1:21 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
IBm Via Voice was bundled into other software, it was, as far as I know, never made open-source or free for use on its own. So same thing that I said applies.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But the reference was to IBm Via Voice.  I don't know what its status is.  I
suspect it is illegal to not pay for it but I haven't heard much of any
discussion of it for years.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence


Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence
first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence,
but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an
illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for
distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to
that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which
wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal
ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it
for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5
Eloquence.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
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> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
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> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
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> Geoff
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> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
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> 
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> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
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> David Goldfield,
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> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
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> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
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> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
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> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
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> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
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> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
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>
>
>









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Re: nvda with eloquence

Nimer Jaber
 

IBm Via Voice was bundled into other software, it was, as far as I know, never made open-source or free for use on its own. So same thing that I said applies.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But the reference was to IBm Via Voice.  I don't know what its status is.  I
suspect it is illegal to not pay for it but I haven't heard much of any
discussion of it for years.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence


Hello Geoff,

There is no legal way of obtaining Eloquence without purchasing Eloquence
first, or purchasing and owning another program which includes Eloquence,
but none of these exist at this point, to my knowledge. So yes, this is an
illegal piece of software, and the blindhelp website is known for
distributing cracks and illegal software, thus in my view, any reference to
that site ought to be prohibited on this mailing list, and any other which
wishes to not get shut down for discussing illegal activity. There are legal
ways for purchasing Eloquence, but no legal way of obtaining and using it
for free unless you have very old software which contained sapi4/5
Eloquence.


On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 7:16 AM Geoff Eden <geden1@...> wrote:
Thank you GENE, to the best of my knowledge this is a widely available
and legitimate piece of software produced by IBM.  if anyone has
knowledge to the contrary, please let me know as soon as possible.


Geoff




On 12/21/2020 6:46 AM, Gene wrote:
> That's probably an illegal utility or add-on and it isn't allowed to
> share illegal software on the list.  A list may be closed by Groups.io
> oowners if it is done and they somehow find out. This isn't just my
> rule, it is a rule on other lists as well.
>
> Gene, owner
> -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Eden
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:35 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
> Try the IBM TTS, sounds and acts like Eloquence.
>
>
>
>
> https://blindhelp.net/software/ibmtts
>
>
>
>
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/2020 4:36 PM, Missa wrote:
>
> I don’t have the links right now, but that is not what I’m talking
> about. I mentioned that I am not impressed with vocalizer… It takes
> too long to get around and as I said it is not as responsive as the
> previous eloquence add-on that was the illegal one. I do not mind
> paying, but I am not going to pay for something that doesn’t help my
> productivity.
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 11:32 PM, David Goldfield
> mailto:david.goldfield@... wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi, Melissa.
>
> There is a legal copy of Eloquence for NVDA, which you can try out or
> purchase from Codefactory by going to the following link.
>
> https://codefactoryglobal.com/app-store/voices-for-nvda/
>
>
>
>
>
> David Goldfield,
>
> Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
>
> WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
> Of Missa
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 12:09 AM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nvda with eloquence
>
>
>
>
>
> I have found that eloquence, not just the voice, is more responsive
> and easier to use. I wasn’t impressed with vocalizer… It sounded the
> same… But did not work the same. I read that there is a legal version
> of the ad on, but I am unable to put the other parts together or
> whatever it is called. Right now, just using jaws.
>
>
>
> Melissa
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Hi list,
>
>
>
> Over the years, and especially since I started using a screenreader in
> 2011, I hear many people talking about the features of Eloquence which
> they like. I think onne of the main ones is clarity of speech at
> higher verbosity rates.
>
> I mostly use nvda with the Zara one core voice.  Once in a while I’ll
> load the jaws demo  when a web page  is not working well.
>
> Is the default jaws voice Eloquence?
>
> Does nvda with eloquence sound the same as jaws with eloquence?
>
> Personally, I don’t mind nvda with one core Zara.
>
> But,  I usually have the verbosity rate  just a little faster than
> normal human speech.  I lose too much info if I try listening  at a
> fast rate.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> Monte
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>









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Best,

Nimer Jaber

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addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
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criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

Registered Linux User 529141.
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Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

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private Twitter messages

Madison Martin
 

Hi all,
Does anyone have any experience sending private messages using the regular
Twitter site? If so, how do I move through the list of results after I've
searched for a person that I want to send a message too? I'm hoping that once I
find the right person the rest should be easy. I'm using Jaws 2021, the latest
Edge, and Windows 10. Thanks for any help anyone can provide me, much
appreciated!!!!
Madison


Re: redeeming and using an Apple e-gift card

Holly
 

Troy:

Here is a link with instructions that tells you how to redeem the gift card.

Good luck!

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211163


Re: nylon cane holsters?

Madison Martin
 

Oh sorry Jean, I must have misinturprited what you said. Sorry about that. I've always folded it up and put it on the chair behind me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 21, 2020 1:16 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

I mean that I have no objection to laying a cane on the ground or on a floor. In some cases, I may just lean it somewhere such as in a corner. I don't know what I think of the idea someone discussed where you are at a dance. Not havingg used a holster, I wonder if the cane would bump you uncomfortably if you dance vigorously.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

How do you use a cane? I just figured that all blind/visually impaired people used them the same way. Guess I shouldn't make assumptions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 21, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

I can see occasions where such a holster might be useful. The way I use a cane, it wouldn't but if I used it differently I might want one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

Hello,
I have a nylon holster that is about 15 years old and it still works. At the top it has velcro that allows it to loop around my belt. I don’t use it much anymore but when I do need it, it is really handy. Most times I carry a bag of some kind with me because of other things I need to carry. I try and make sure to get bags with pockets on the sides of it that will fit my cane,.

Greg Wocher


On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Holly <feyk7@comcast.net> wrote:

Norma:

Yes, the cane holster is a real handy accessory. I don't want my cane
lying on the ground or a dirty floor, and sometimes you need both
hands free to do something.

Hope you can get one soon.





Re: nylon cane holsters?

Gene
 

I mean that I have no objection to laying a cane on the ground or on a floor. In some cases, I may just lean it somewhere such as in a corner. I don't know what I think of the idea someone discussed where you are at a dance. Not havingg used a holster, I wonder if the cane would bump you uncomfortably if you dance vigorously.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Madison Martin
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

How do you use a cane? I just figured that all blind/visually impaired people used them the same way. Guess I shouldn't make assumptions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December 21, 2020 1:06 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

I can see occasions where such a holster might be useful. The way I use a cane, it wouldn't but if I used it differently I might want one.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Wocher
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 12:15 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] nylon cane holsters?

Hello,
I have a nylon holster that is about 15 years old and it still works. At the top it has velcro that allows it to loop around my belt. I don’t use it much anymore but when I do need it, it is really handy. Most times I carry a bag of some kind with me because of other things I need to carry. I try and make sure to get bags with pockets on the sides of it that will fit my cane,.

Greg Wocher


On Dec 21, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Holly <feyk7@comcast.net> wrote:

Norma:

Yes, the cane holster is a real handy accessory. I don't want my cane
lying on the ground or a dirty floor, and sometimes you need both
hands free to do something.

Hope you can get one soon.





Re: redeeming and using an Apple e-gift card

Holly
 

Troy:

I have never had an Apple e-card, so can't tell you which number is the right one.

Maybe call Apple disability and see if they can help you, or just call Apple customer service.

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