Date   

Re: New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Janet" ,

You can cturn on Narrator with ctrl-win-enter, but I am not sure with
wat screen the Lenovo will start.

You can try to start the laptop and after a while press this shortkey.

It can also be, that the laptop will ask to install windows and in this
case I am not sure if Narrator is working.

Regards, Marten

On Thu, 24 Dec 2020 22:59:39 +0000 "Janet" <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Well, I thought I wasn't going to receive my new Lenovo IdeaPad until Jan 06-2021, but I just received it, and I don't know what to do with it now! LOL! I do know it might take me sometime to learn the keys, as some of them are long and some of them are wide, and the keys are a little larger than what I am used to. The keys are also close to each other. Any suggestions how to get started with this, meaning I need some speech, or there isn't any point in me even turning it on! LOL! Someone mentioned to turn on Narrator, but I don't remember how to turn it on.

Janet

Peace Be With You.






New Lenovo IdeaPad Help Please.

Janet
 

Hi Everyone,
Well, I thought I wasn't going to receive my new Lenovo IdeaPad until Jan 06-2021, but I just received it, and I don't know what to do with it now! LOL! I do know it might take me sometime to learn the keys, as some of them are long and some of them are wide, and the keys are a little larger than what I am used to. The keys are also close to each other. Any suggestions how to get started with this, meaning I need some speech, or there isn't any point in me even turning it on! LOL! Someone mentioned to turn on Narrator, but I don't remember how to turn it on.

Janet

Peace Be With You.


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Janet
 

Pam,
I've been doing some research on these Lenovo Thinkpads, and Lenovo Ideapads, and there is a difference. The Lenovo Thinkpad is more for business and more powerful, and last longer than the Lenovo IdeaPads. But, it seems like every site gives a different view, so if I'm wrong, don't hold it against me, as I am still just trying to learn about the Lenovo's. I just thought you might want to know this for future references, and because you have the Lenovo Thinkpad, so it sounds like you have a pretty nice Laptop, just from the little I have read about the Lenovo's.



Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 7:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

It's a laptop; that's what they called it. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Pam,
Forget the last message I sent asking you what kind of PC you are using now,
because I just seen this message, in which answers my question. Although,
what is a Lenovo Thinkpad?

Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 6:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

I didn't know that. But the computer I am using, at the moment, is a Lenovo
Thinkpad. Yes, when I bought it, the Lenovo laptop computers were still
called thinkpads. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Janet, as I understand it, Lenovo is a Chinese division of
IBM>

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:41 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Everyone,
I just want to thank those who said they have a Lenovo, as I
never heard of them. So, by the few people who did let me
know their experience with Lenovo, makes me feel more
comfortable, as this is the first time I even heard of
Lenovo Laptops. This also gives me more confidence.
Thank you again.

Janet

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Re: Moving From JAWS to NVDA

Gene
 

Regarding object navigation, it has been said that that is the equivalent to the Touch Cursor. I don't use JAWS so I don't know how to compare them myself.

I may write a description about object navigation but that would be a tutorial and there may be good material already available. There is training material you can purchase from NVDA for about twenty-three dollars that gives thorough training and teaches object navigation but I don't know if that unit is good. I haven't seen it. I don't know if there is other good material.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 1:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Moving From JAWS to NVDA


Hi Joe,

Check this out, article is below the URL:


https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA

SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA
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Switching From JAWS To NVDA
Introduction

The purpose of this guide is to assist users of JAWS (Job Access With Speech), a commercial screen reader by Freedom Scientific to switch to the open-source
screen reader NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access) with ease. It assumes prior knowledge of JAWS and that you are proficient in its use.

It is not intended to be a replacement of the included user guide, rather as a means to make NVDA seem less daunting.

Strengths And Weaknesses

The intent of this guide is not to be a comparison of JAWS and NVDA, but it is necessary to mention some things that work differently. In most daily situations,
NVDA works just as well as JAWS, if not better in some cases.

A Quick Note about NVDA's Laptop Keyboard Layout

Selecting the laptop keyboard layout does not automatically set the CapsLock key to act as the NVDA modifier key. In NVDA's keyboard settings, a checkbox
is provided next to the Keyboard Layout combo box to toggle this setting. Press NVDA+control+k to open these settings.

Note On The Insert Key.

As you may be aware, both JAWS and NVDA can use the insert key for its modifier key. Both screen readers treat it slightly differently, which could lead
to some confusion if you are used to one or the other.

With JAWS loaded, the insert key is solely for its use. This means that, in order to use the original function assigned to it (such as switching between
insert and overwrite modes in a text editor or word processor), you first have to activate JAWS's pass key through command.

NVDA, on the other hand, allows you to carry out the insert key's original function by pressing it twice quickly. Keep this in mind the next time you're
editing text while using NVDA and find yourself erasing what you've already written by typing over it. This also works for caps lock when it is assigned
as the NVDA modifier key (press it twice to toggle caps lock).

Alternative Synthesizers

Windows OneCore voices, included in Windows 10, is used by NVDA as the default synthesizer in Windows 10. Windows OneCore voices are responsive, natural-sounding
and available in many languages. To add extra voices install a new language in Windows 10 itself, including the language pack. Variants of a language,
such as "English (United Kingdom)" and "English (United States)" each include different voices.

The eSpeak NG synthesizer is also included with NVDA. It is used as the default in Windows 8.1 and earlier. Like NVDA itself, eSpeak NG is also free and
open-source, which is one of the reasons for its inclusion. Another being the sheer amount of languages it can speak.

Both Windows OneCore Voices, and eSpeak NG, have access to features such as "rate boost", enabling the speech rate to effectively be doubled. You can also
press SHIFT to pause, and continue, speaking, instead of CONTROL which simply stops speech.

To change synthesizer, press NVDA+control+s. To set other voice options, press NVDA+control+v.

However, you may find that, for whatever reason, neither Windows OneCore, nor eSpeak NG is right for you. If this is the case you will be glad to know
that there are alternatives, which will be discussed in the following sections.

Eloquence

Code Factory has released a version of
eloquence as an NVDA add-on which can be purchased from this link..
A license to use Nuance's Vocalizer synthesizer is also included in the price.

See the section entitled "Scripts" for information about NVDA add-ons.

Even more voices

If you still cannot find the perfect voice for you, the
Extra Voices page
lists several other speech synthesizers (both free and paid you can use instead.

Terminology

Most of the time, both NVDA and JAWS share a lot of the same terminology to describe controls e.g. radio buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes etc.

One notable difference is that NVDA differentiates between single and multi-line edit fields, and will also tell you if a field is "protected" (anything
you type will be replaced by asterisks). It will also alert you if text is selected in a field when you tab over to it. If so, typing will replace the
highlighted text.

NVDA refers to the different languages a speech synthesizer can speak as voices, and the different voices supported by your synthesizer as variants.

Cursors

NVDA has various cursors to aid in navigating Windows and applications, similar to JAWS. The terminology is slightly different as described below.

The PC cursor in NVDA's documentation is referred to as the system focus and system caret.

The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is a combination of object navigation, the review cursor and the various review modes; such as Document review, object
review and Screen Review. The Screen Review function is the one perhaps most similar to the JAWS cursor. However, it is beneficial to become familiar with
all of these. You will find thorough, easy to understand instructions in the user guide, or the
Basic Training for NVDA
($30 AUD).

Unlike JAWS, you don't have to switch between the PC and JAWS cursor equivalents as the numpad is reserved exclusively for working with the JAWS cursor
like functions.

It is worth noting that when you use object navigation or the review cursor, the mouse does not, by default, move in sync. You have to press a command
to move the mouse to the location of the review cursor, which is similar to how JAWS' "invisible cursor" works. There are also commands to simulate clicking
or locking both mouse buttons.

However, if you simply want to activate the current object you are focused on when using object navigation, there is a command to do this without having
to move the mouse cursor to it first.

Accessing the notification area (system tray)

NVDA does not provide a dialog to access the notification area, as this is accessible natively. Press WINDOWS+B to access the notification area. To move
between notification area items, either use the arrow keys or press the first letter of an item. Pressing the spacebar on an icon is the same as left-clicking
the mouse. Pressing enter is the same as double-clicking the left mouse button (there is no distinction between these in Windows 10). Pressing the applications
key or shift+f10 to open the context menu for an item.

If the first item in the notification area is "Notification chevron button", Windows is not set to show all icons. Press ENTER or spacebar to open this
and then arrow through the items. To set Windows to always show all notification area icons, open "notification area" windows settings, or "select which
icons appear on the taskbar", and ensure "Always show all icons in the notification area" is checked.

If you prefer to have a dialog you can access with NVDA+F11, there is a "SysTrayList" add-on available in the
Add-ons website.

Accessing the ribbon

Microsoft Office 2007 replaced the menu and toolbars with a "ribbon". Like the notification area, these are accessible so NVDA does not provide a "virtual
ribbon" replacement. Microsoft has a page on
Using the keyboard to work with the ribbon.
Essentially press ALT or ALT+letter to access individual ribbons. Press CONTROL+LEFT and RIGHT ARROWS to move between groups within the current ribbon
(eg Clipboard, font, paragraph, etc in Word's Home ribbon). Press TAB to move between individual items in each ribbon and spacebar or enter to activate
the current ribbon item. The Ribbon also includes "tell me". Press alt+q, type the command or feature you would like to access, use the arrow keys to select
it from the list and enter to activate it.

Checking the status of progress bars

Jaws provides a command control+insert+b to check the status of progress bars in the current window. NVDA has options to have progress bars automatically
reported as they update. This can be done verbally ("5%", "6%", "23%", etc), as beeps, increasing in pitch, or both. To adjust this, press NVDA+U. Alternatively,
it is available from the Object Presentation settings. Press NVDA+control+o to open these settings.

Accessing characters and emoji

Jaws has a command INSERT+4 to select symbols. In NVDA INSERT+4 (assuming INSERT is your NVDA modifier key) toggle speak command keys, which reports when
non-alphanumeric keys, such as spacebar or arrows are pressed. To select special characters can be done in different ways in many programs. For instance,
press CONTROL+ALT+E to type a Euro symbol in Word. The insert symbol functionality in Word (ALT+N, then U) is accessible, although some of the symbols
listed in the "more symbols" dialog are not read correctly in all versions of Word. Similarly, the "charmap" program in Windows itself allows any symbol
from any font to be inserted. Again, not all characters are completely described.

The Windows 10 Emoji window is accessible. Press WINDOWS+. (WINDOWS+full stop). Press TAB to move to the categories, select a category then press enter.
Press SHIFT+TAB to move to the list of emoji for that category, use the arrows to move between the available emoji and enter to insert the current emoji
into text. Press escape when done.

Touch cursor

In JAWS 15 or later, you can use numpad keys to navigate apps using a tree-like structure, similar to how users of smartphone screen readers such as VoiceOver
would navigate touchscreens. in NVDA, object navigation and object mode touch commands can be used for this purpose

Virtual Cursor

The virtual cursor in NVDA is known as browse mode. It functions in much the same way as JAWS, giving you access to navigation quick keys, or in NVDA speak,
single letter navigation.

Following are some common issues you may encounter when browsing the web with NVDA for the first time, and how to address them.

Why Is Everything On One Line?

In case you are unaware, JAWS has two modes for displaying webpages or other documents using the virtual cursor; simple layout and screen layout. Simple
layout is the default, which displays content in a linear fashion - putting each link or control on its own line. Screen layout formats the content similar
to how it's displayed on screen.

The default in NVDA is screen layout, but you can easily switch to its version of simple layout by pressing NVDA+V while in browse mode. This will turn
Screen layout off. Be sure to save your configuration after making this change with NVDA+CTRL+c.

It Keeps Saying Clickable Clickable Clickable.

While reading webpages, you might notice sometimes that NVDA says "clickable", even multiple times on the same link or control.

As of version 2018.4 and later, NvDA will now only say clickable once, so if you experience this issue, please upgrade your copy. Because there is no cost
associated with upgrading, NV Access recommends always using the latest stable release of NVDA.

You can also turn off the announcement of clickable elements entirely by going to document formatting in settings (NVDA+control+d) and unchecking "clickable"
in the elements group.

Find doesn't work on the web.

While JAWS is loaded, pressing ctrl+f in Internet Explorer or Firefox brings up the JAWS Find dialogue rather than activating the browser's built-in find
command. This is to allow you to search for text using the virtual cursor. The regular find command will search for the next occurrence of the entered
text, but will not move the virtual cursor to that location. This is due to how screen readers interact with web pages.

NVDA has its own find command to search in browse mode, but it has not been tied to CTRL+F, so pressing that shortcut key calls up the browser's find command,
hence find not working as expected.

To bring up NVDA's find dialogue, press ctrl+NVDA+F. Type in what you wish to find then press enter.

No commands to view forms and headings?

In JAWS, you can press JAWS+F5 to list forms, JAWS+F6 to list headings and JAWS+F7 to list links. In NVDA, the latter two have been combined into an elements
list dialog, and you can access it by pressing NVDA+F7. You can then press ALT+H to select Headings (the default), ALT+F for form field, ALT+B for buttons
and ALT+D for landmarks.

Forms Mode

The equivalent of forms mode in NVDA is focus mode, and it behaves very similar to JAWS, Even switching modes automatically when navigating through a webpage.
It will play a sound alerting you to which mode you are in. If desired, NVDA can speak the mode change rather than use a sound.

Details about Focus Mode can be found in the user guide.

NVDA talks too much.

Sometimes you may find that NVDA can seem overly verbose, particularly in some list views. This is because as far as NVDA is concerned, list views are
tables. NVDA is configured by default to announce each column or row header.

To turn that option off, uncheck "Report table row/column headers" in the "Document Formatting" screen of NVDA's settings dialogue. Press NVDA+control+d
to open this setting screen.

the Speech dictionary

NVDA has always included a function to edit "Speech Dictionaries", which are similar to JAWS' dictionary manager files. There is a group of radio buttons
in the Add/edit dictionary entry labelled type, which determines how the text in the pattern, (NVDA speak for actual word), box will be treated.

list of 3 items
• anywhere, which is the default behavior.
• Whole word, which is how JAWS handles dictionary entries.
• Regular Expression, which is complicated.
list end

You will also find a case sensitive checkbox.

Access the speech dictionaries with NVDA+n (to open the NVDA menu), then P for preferences, then D for dictionaries. There are three options. Default dictionary
works across the board, Voice dictionary works only for the current voice, and temporary works only for the current session. Unless you know you want one
of the other two, most of the time "default dictionary" is the desired dictionary to edit.

Scripts

Like JAWS, scripts can be added to NVDA to provide support for other applications or to add new features that can be accessed from anywhere. These script
packages are called NVDA Add-ons. You can find add-ons on the
NVDA Community Add-ons page.

These include a few that emulate JAWS features not currently present in NVDA such as a system tray list, virtualise window function and ability to append
text to clipboard. Scripts for popular applications such as GoldWave are also available. The user guide has details on installing add-ons, and you can
read help documentation that comes with each add-on to learn more about how to use the add-on.

There is an
NVDA Developer Guide
with information on how to create add-ons.

Screen Shade

From version 2019.3, NVDA includes an equivalent to JAWS' Screen Shade feature called Screen Curtain, which will blacken the screen. By default it is not
assigned to a keystroke, but you can assign one from the input gestures dialogue. See the users guide for details on how to do this.

Activating the command once will enable or disable the screen curtain until you restart your computer, whereas doing so twice quickly will enable it permanently
until you disable it. You can also toggle it in the vision category in Settings.

Remote access

In 2015, Christopher Toth and Tyler Spivey released a free add-on to allow NVDA users to provide remote support, similar to JAWS Tandem. To learn more
about this add-on, go to the
NVDA Remote site.

Application-specific settings

NVDA can use configuration profiles, which make it possible to configure certain settings to be applied only when using a program. This is done by creating
an app-specific configuration profile. To create an app-specific profile, open the Configuration Profiles dialogue while using the app in question. To
open the dialogue, hit NVDA+N, to bring up the NVDA menu. arrow down until you hear configuration profiles and press enter, or press NVDA+control+P.

When the dialogue opens, select New, and select "current application" when asked when to use this profile. Any changes made to NVDA settings (eg synthesizer,
speech rate or punctuation level) are applied to this profile.

Alternate say all

In recent versions of JAWS, you can configure a different speech synthesizer to be used when say all is active. You can do this in NVDA by creating a say
all profile in the configuration profiles menu.

Here are the steps.

list of 3 items
1. Open the configurations profile from the main NVDA menu. Press NVDA, N, then arrow down to configuration profiles.
2. Create a new profile by tabbing to the new button or press alt, N.
3. After you name your profile, tab to the profile usage radio butttons. arrow down until you hear "say all". Hit OK
list end


Stay safe and take care. Mike.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:54 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Moving From JAWS to NVDA

Okay, I’m not actually trying to move fully from JAWS to NVDA, but I
am trying to learn to master NVDA. There are things JAWS does poorly
that I would like to see if the free option does better. Is there a
guide that helps users understand keystrokes in relation to the
familiarity of JAWS? Object navigation, for example, I don’t know what
the parallel would be for JAWS.

Thanks for any referrals to guides and the like.

Joe


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Janet
 

Hi pam,

Yeah, I understand what you are saying about the price matching from Best Buy because several of my friends say they have no success with that either.  Although, there were a couple of times I was in Best Buy store, and I did ask them to do a price match, and I did get the lower cost of the product I was buying though just because Amazon had it $30 cheaper at that time.  When I saw the price of the Lenovo Laptop on Best Buy’s site, and I checked the price on Amazon, I knew from past experience, I wouldn’t be able to use the chat feature on Best Buy’s site, so I called a sighted person, and asked them if they could use the chat feature on Best Buy’s site to do a price match, and they did, so that is the only way I could get the $100 difference. 

 

 

Janet

 someone  I knew from   

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 7:02 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

 

I’ve never been successful with having stores match or beat a price.  All they say is “so go there and get it”.  Pam.

 

From: Janet

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:32 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

 

Hi Juan,

Ok, I’m going to try and put my two cents in here too.  Thank you for letting me know you have and are happy with Lenovo, as hearing this from you as well as others on the list, gives me great relief.  I am far from a gamer, and I don’t plan on becoming one!  LOL! This Laptop Lenovo sounded good, and the price was right, matter of fact, it was the cheapest I could find at that time.  Actually I wanted to buy it at Best Buy which is a hop and skip away from me, so if something goes wrong with the Laptop, I can easily take it to Best Buy if it needed work done on it.  Best Buy had it on their site for $599, and Amazon had it on their site for $499, so I had a sited person go on Best Buy’s site, and ask them to do a price match, and they did, so I saved $100, and I think that is a good price especially for this Lenovo. 

Thank you again!

 

Janet From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Gonzalez via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

 

Putting my two cents into this topic. I was a big dell computer guy but this year I decided to go with the Lenovo Legion i5 and I would not look back. This is a power house and for the price it was right. I would not recommend this computer to some one who needs it for portability cause this is a gaming computer but Lenovo’s productivity laptops are great as well. My Girlfriend has a Lenovo ultra book and it has lasted her for a long time. You really cannot go wrong with Lenovo right now.

 

Juan Gonzalez

IT – DAX Analyst/IT Support Technician | Information Technology

Phone: 312 .666.1331 Ext. 3704

www.chicagolighthouse.org

                   

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

 

Janet, as I understand it, Lenovo is a Chinese division of

IBM>

 

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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:41 PM

To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

 

Hi Everyone,

I just want to thank those who said they have a Lenovo, as I

never heard of them.  So, by the few people who did let me

know their experience with Lenovo, makes me feel more

comfortable, as this is the first time I even heard of

Lenovo Laptops.  This also gives me more confidence. 

Thank you again.

 

Janet

 

Peace Be With You.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: Moving From JAWS to NVDA

Mike B
 


Hi Joe,
 
Check this out, article is below the URL:
 
 
SwitchingFromJawsToNVDA
José Manuel edited this page Apr 9, 2020 ·
15 revisions
 
Switching From JAWS To NVDA
Introduction
 
The purpose of this guide is to assist users of JAWS (Job Access With Speech), a commercial screen reader by Freedom Scientific to switch to the open-source
screen reader NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access) with ease. It assumes prior knowledge of JAWS and that you are proficient in its use.
 
It is not intended to be a replacement of the included user guide, rather as a means to make NVDA seem less daunting.
 
Strengths And Weaknesses
 
The intent of this guide is not to be a comparison of JAWS and NVDA, but it is necessary to mention some things that work differently. In most daily situations,
NVDA works just as well as JAWS, if not better in some cases.
 
A Quick Note about NVDA's Laptop Keyboard Layout
 
Selecting the laptop keyboard layout does not automatically set the CapsLock key to act as the NVDA modifier key. In NVDA's keyboard settings, a checkbox
is provided next to the Keyboard Layout combo box to toggle this setting. Press NVDA+control+k to open these settings.
 
Note On The Insert Key.
 
As you may be aware, both JAWS and NVDA can use the insert key for its modifier key. Both screen readers treat it slightly differently, which could lead
to some confusion if you are used to one or the other.
 
With JAWS loaded, the insert key is solely for its use. This means that, in order to use the original function assigned to it (such as switching between
insert and overwrite modes in a text editor or word processor), you first have to activate JAWS's pass key through command.
 
NVDA, on the other hand, allows you to carry out the insert key's original function by pressing it twice quickly. Keep this in mind the next time you're
editing text while using NVDA and find yourself erasing what you've already written by typing over it. This also works for caps lock when it is assigned
as the NVDA modifier key (press it twice to toggle caps lock).
 
Alternative Synthesizers
 
Windows OneCore voices, included in Windows 10, is used by NVDA as the default synthesizer in Windows 10. Windows OneCore voices are responsive, natural-sounding
and available in many languages. To add extra voices install a new language in Windows 10 itself, including the language pack. Variants of a language,
such as "English (United Kingdom)" and "English (United States)" each include different voices.
 
The eSpeak NG synthesizer is also included with NVDA. It is used as the default in Windows 8.1 and earlier. Like NVDA itself, eSpeak NG is also free and
open-source, which is one of the reasons for its inclusion. Another being the sheer amount of languages it can speak.
 
Both Windows OneCore Voices, and eSpeak NG, have access to features such as "rate boost", enabling the speech rate to effectively be doubled. You can also
press SHIFT to pause, and continue, speaking, instead of CONTROL which simply stops speech.
 
To change synthesizer, press NVDA+control+s. To set other voice options, press NVDA+control+v.
 
However, you may find that, for whatever reason, neither Windows OneCore, nor eSpeak NG is right for you. If this is the case you will be glad to know
that there are alternatives, which will be discussed in the following sections.
 
Eloquence
 
Code Factory has released a version of
eloquence as an NVDA add-on which can be purchased from this link..
A license to use Nuance's Vocalizer synthesizer is also included in the price.
 
See the section entitled "Scripts" for information about NVDA add-ons.
 
Even more voices
 
If you still cannot find the perfect voice for you, the
Extra Voices page
 lists several other speech synthesizers (both free and paid you can use instead.
 
Terminology
 
Most of the time, both NVDA and JAWS share a lot of the same terminology to describe controls e.g. radio buttons, combo boxes, checkboxes etc.
 
One notable difference is that NVDA differentiates between single and multi-line edit fields, and will also tell you if a field is "protected" (anything
you type will be replaced by asterisks). It will also alert you if text is selected in a field when you tab over to it. If so, typing will replace the
highlighted text.
 
NVDA refers to the different languages a speech synthesizer can speak as voices, and the different voices supported by your synthesizer as variants.
 
Cursors
 
NVDA has various cursors to aid in navigating Windows and applications, similar to JAWS. The terminology is slightly different as described below.
 
The PC cursor in NVDA's documentation is referred to as the system focus and system caret.
 
The equivalent to the JAWS cursor is a combination of object navigation, the review cursor and the various review modes; such as Document review, object
review and Screen Review. The Screen Review function is the one perhaps most similar to the JAWS cursor. However, it is beneficial to become familiar with
all of these. You will find thorough, easy to understand instructions in the user guide, or the
Basic Training for NVDA
 ($30 AUD).
 
Unlike JAWS, you don't have to switch between the PC and JAWS cursor equivalents as the numpad is reserved exclusively for working with the JAWS cursor
like functions.
 
It is worth noting that when you use object navigation or the review cursor, the mouse does not, by default, move in sync. You have to press a command
to move the mouse to the location of the review cursor, which is similar to how JAWS' "invisible cursor" works. There are also commands to simulate clicking
or locking both mouse buttons.
 
However, if you simply want to activate the current object you are focused on when using object navigation, there is a command to do this without having
to move the mouse cursor to it first.
 
Accessing the notification area (system tray)
 
NVDA does not provide a dialog to access the notification area, as this is accessible natively. Press WINDOWS+B to access the notification area. To move
between notification area items, either use the arrow keys or press the first letter of an item. Pressing the spacebar on an icon is the same as left-clicking
the mouse. Pressing enter is the same as double-clicking the left mouse button (there is no distinction between these in Windows 10). Pressing the applications
key or shift+f10 to open the context menu for an item.
 
If the first item in the notification area is "Notification chevron button", Windows is not set to show all icons. Press ENTER or spacebar to open this
and then arrow through the items. To set Windows to always show all notification area icons, open "notification area" windows settings, or "select which
icons appear on the taskbar", and ensure "Always show all icons in the notification area" is checked.
 
If you prefer to have a dialog you can access with NVDA+F11, there is a "SysTrayList" add-on available in the
Add-ons website.
 
Accessing the ribbon
 
Microsoft Office 2007 replaced the menu and toolbars with a "ribbon". Like the notification area, these are accessible so NVDA does not provide a "virtual
ribbon" replacement. Microsoft has a page on
Using the keyboard to work with the ribbon.
Essentially press ALT or ALT+letter to access individual ribbons. Press CONTROL+LEFT and RIGHT ARROWS to move between groups within the current ribbon
(eg Clipboard, font, paragraph, etc in Word's Home ribbon). Press TAB to move between individual items in each ribbon and spacebar or enter to activate
the current ribbon item. The Ribbon also includes "tell me". Press alt+q, type the command or feature you would like to access, use the arrow keys to select
it from the list and enter to activate it.
 
Checking the status of progress bars
 
Jaws provides a command control+insert+b to check the status of progress bars in the current window. NVDA has options to have progress bars automatically
reported as they update. This can be done verbally ("5%", "6%", "23%", etc), as beeps, increasing in pitch, or both. To adjust this, press NVDA+U. Alternatively,
it is available from the Object Presentation settings. Press NVDA+control+o to open these settings.
 
Accessing characters and emoji
 
Jaws has a command INSERT+4 to select symbols. In NVDA INSERT+4 (assuming INSERT is your NVDA modifier key) toggle speak command keys, which reports when
non-alphanumeric keys, such as spacebar or arrows are pressed. To select special characters can be done in different ways in many programs. For instance,
press CONTROL+ALT+E to type a Euro symbol in Word. The insert symbol functionality in Word (ALT+N, then U) is accessible, although some of the symbols
listed in the "more symbols" dialog are not read correctly in all versions of Word. Similarly, the "charmap" program in Windows itself allows any symbol
from any font to be inserted. Again, not all characters are completely described.
 
The Windows 10 Emoji window is accessible. Press WINDOWS+. (WINDOWS+full stop). Press TAB to move to the categories, select a category then press enter.
Press SHIFT+TAB to move to the list of emoji for that category, use the arrows to move between the available emoji and enter to insert the current emoji
into text. Press escape when done.
 
Touch cursor
 
In JAWS 15 or later, you can use numpad keys to navigate apps using a tree-like structure, similar to how users of smartphone screen readers such as VoiceOver
would navigate touchscreens. in NVDA, object navigation and object mode touch commands can be used for this purpose
 
Virtual Cursor
 
The virtual cursor in NVDA is known as browse mode. It functions in much the same way as JAWS, giving you access to navigation quick keys, or in NVDA speak,
single letter navigation.
 
Following are some common issues you may encounter when browsing the web with NVDA for the first time, and how to address them.
 
Why Is Everything On One Line?
 
In case you are unaware, JAWS has two modes for displaying webpages or other documents using the virtual cursor; simple layout and screen layout. Simple
layout is the default, which displays content in a linear fashion - putting each link or control on its own line. Screen layout formats the content similar
to how it's displayed on screen.
 
The default in NVDA is screen layout, but you can easily switch to its version of simple layout by pressing NVDA+V while in browse mode. This will turn
Screen layout off. Be sure to save your configuration after making this change with NVDA+CTRL+c.
 
It Keeps Saying Clickable Clickable Clickable.
 
While reading webpages, you might notice sometimes that NVDA says "clickable", even multiple times on the same link or control.
 
As of version 2018.4 and later, NvDA will now only say clickable once, so if you experience this issue, please upgrade your copy. Because there is no cost
associated with upgrading, NV Access recommends always using the latest stable release of NVDA.
 
You can also turn off the announcement of clickable elements entirely by going to document formatting in settings (NVDA+control+d) and unchecking "clickable"
in the elements group.
 
Find doesn't work on the web.
 
While JAWS is loaded, pressing ctrl+f in Internet Explorer or Firefox brings up the JAWS Find dialogue rather than activating the browser's built-in find
command. This is to allow you to search for text using the virtual cursor. The regular find command will search for the next occurrence of the entered
text, but will not move the virtual cursor to that location. This is due to how screen readers interact with web pages.
 
NVDA has its own find command to search in browse mode, but it has not been tied to CTRL+F, so pressing that shortcut key calls up the browser's find command,
hence find not working as expected.
 
To bring up NVDA's find dialogue, press ctrl+NVDA+F. Type in what you wish to find then press enter.
 
No commands to view forms and headings?
 
In JAWS, you can press JAWS+F5 to list forms, JAWS+F6 to list headings and JAWS+F7 to list links. In NVDA, the latter two have been combined into an elements
list dialog, and you can access it by pressing NVDA+F7. You can then press ALT+H to select Headings (the default), ALT+F for form field, ALT+B for buttons
and ALT+D for landmarks.
 
Forms Mode
 
The equivalent of forms mode in NVDA is focus mode, and it behaves very similar to JAWS, Even switching modes automatically when navigating through a webpage.
It will play a sound alerting you to which mode you are in. If desired, NVDA can speak the mode change rather than use a sound.
 
Details about Focus Mode can be found in the user guide.
 
NVDA talks too much.
 
Sometimes you may find that NVDA can seem overly verbose, particularly in some list views. This is because as far as NVDA is concerned, list views are
tables. NVDA is configured by default to announce each column or row header.
 
To turn that option off, uncheck "Report table row/column headers" in the "Document Formatting" screen of NVDA's settings dialogue. Press NVDA+control+d
to open this setting screen.
 
the Speech dictionary
 
NVDA has always included a function to edit "Speech Dictionaries", which are similar to JAWS' dictionary manager files. There is a group of radio buttons
in the Add/edit dictionary entry labelled type, which determines how the text in the pattern, (NVDA speak for actual word), box will be treated.
 
list of 3 items
• anywhere, which is the default behavior.
• Whole word, which is how JAWS handles dictionary entries.
• Regular Expression, which is complicated.
list end
 
You will also find a case sensitive checkbox.
 
Access the speech dictionaries with NVDA+n (to open the NVDA menu), then P for preferences, then D for dictionaries. There are three options. Default dictionary
works across the board, Voice dictionary works only for the current voice, and temporary works only for the current session. Unless you know you want one
of the other two, most of the time "default dictionary" is the desired dictionary to edit.
 
Scripts
 
Like JAWS, scripts can be added to NVDA to provide support for other applications or to add new features that can be accessed from anywhere. These script
packages are called NVDA Add-ons. You can find add-ons on the
NVDA Community Add-ons page.
 
These include a few that emulate JAWS features not currently present in NVDA such as a system tray list, virtualise window function and ability to append
text to clipboard. Scripts for popular applications such as GoldWave are also available. The user guide has details on installing add-ons, and you can
read help documentation that comes with each add-on to learn more about how to use the add-on.
 
There is an
NVDA Developer Guide
 with information on how to create add-ons.
 
Screen Shade
 
From version 2019.3, NVDA includes an equivalent to JAWS' Screen Shade feature called Screen Curtain, which will blacken the screen. By default it is not
assigned to a keystroke, but you can assign one from the input gestures dialogue. See the users guide for details on how to do this.
 
Activating the command once will enable or disable the screen curtain until you restart your computer, whereas doing so twice quickly will enable it permanently
until you disable it. You can also toggle it in the vision category in Settings.
 
Remote access
 
In 2015, Christopher Toth and Tyler Spivey released a free add-on to allow NVDA users to provide remote support, similar to JAWS Tandem. To learn more
about this add-on, go to the
NVDA Remote site.
 
Application-specific settings
 
NVDA can use configuration profiles, which make it possible to configure certain settings to be applied only when using a program. This is done by creating
an app-specific configuration profile. To create an app-specific profile, open the Configuration Profiles dialogue while using the app in question. To
open the dialogue, hit NVDA+N, to bring up the NVDA menu. arrow down until you hear configuration profiles and press enter, or press NVDA+control+P.
 
When the dialogue opens, select New, and select "current application" when asked when to use this profile. Any changes made to NVDA settings (eg synthesizer,
speech rate or punctuation level) are applied to this profile.
 
Alternate say all
 
In recent versions of JAWS, you can configure a different speech synthesizer to be used when say all is active. You can do this in NVDA by creating a say
all profile in the configuration profiles menu.
 
Here are the steps.
 
list of 3 items
1. Open the configurations profile from the main NVDA menu. Press NVDA, N, then arrow down to configuration profiles.
2. Create a new profile by tabbing to the new button or press alt, N.
3. After you name your profile, tab to the profile usage radio butttons. arrow down until you hear "say all". Hit OK
list end

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:54 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] Moving From JAWS to NVDA

Okay, I’m not actually trying to move fully from JAWS to NVDA, but I
am trying to learn to master NVDA. There are things JAWS does poorly
that I would like to see if the free option does better. Is there a
guide that helps users understand keystrokes in relation to the
familiarity of JAWS? Object navigation, for example, I don’t know what
the parallel would be for JAWS.

Thanks for any referrals to guides and the like.

Joe





Re: Could Microsoft be On route to dumping Windows in favor of Linux!

Hope Williamson
 

I think what MS will do, is adopt the Linux OS, and put a Windows
interface on top of it. That's what they should do, anyway.

On 12/23/2020 10:03 AM, Brent Harding wrote:
That would seem hard. I think Apple did a similar kind of thing with Mac OS,
but using BAS underneath it instead. However, I doubt they kept much
compatibility when they went from whatever they had before to OSX, but
either way, it would be a hard thing to do.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 10:19 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Microsoft be On route to dumping Windows in
favor of Linux!

I don't understand the technical ramifications. How could all the old
Windows programs continue to run? Microsoft has always put a lot of
importance on backward compatibility for products going back a number of
years. Is this article discussing a change to a version of Linux that
mimics Windows in its structures and design? If it weren't for
compatibility, that might make sense but, unless there is something I don't
understand, how would it be done? With some sort of emulator, I would think
the resources needed would make it a very inefficient proposition.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 6:48 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Could Microsoft be On route to dumping Windows in
favor of Linux!

Hi all,

Hmmm, if Microsoft were to do this, it would fly in the face of everything
that Linux and Linuxers stand for. Open Source licensing would be abregated
because Microsoft would still charge for its software. I don't think this
would happen, but then, I didn't think we'd have the president we have and I
didn't think we'd have a pandemic.

Ann P.


Original message:
Hi Everyone,
I just happen to come across this. and thought I would share, as some
people might be interested.
Janet
?
by Jack Wallen in Software on October 9, 2020, 8:16 AM PST Microsoft
Linux is the next evolution of the Microsoft desktop operating system,
argues Jack Wallen. He explains why this would be a win-win for
Microsoft, IT pros, users, and the Linux community.
My esteemed colleague Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols penned an outstanding
piece on sister site ZDNet titled Linux-based Windows makes perfect
sense in which he discussed Eric S. Raymond's point of view that we
are nearing the last phase of the desktop wars. Vaughan-Nichols posits
that the next logical step would be the Windows interface running on
top of the Linux kernel.
It makes sense, especially given how hard Microsoft is working on
Windows Subsystem for Linux. However, from everything I've witnessed
over the last few years, I think there's a conclusion to be drawn that
makes even more sense for Microsoft.
Microsoft Linux: Why it's the best solution At one point, the big cash
cow for Microsoft was software--Windows and Microsoft Office to be
exact. But, as with everything in the tech industry, evolution
happens. Tech companies that refuse to evolve fail.
Microsoft gets that, and it has evolved. Case in point: Microsoft Azure.
Microsoft's cloud computing service, as well as AWS and Google Cloud,
have been massive driving forces in an ever-changing industry. Azure
has become Microsoft's new world cash cow--so much so the company that
has enjoyed a stranglehold on the desktop market has begun to realize
there might be better ways to leverage the desktop.
That leverage could easily come by way of Linux, but not the Linux
you're probably thinking of. The Linux that Vaughan-Nichols suggests
could be a good stepping stone for Microsoft, but I believe the
company needs to make a much bigger leap. I'm talking moon
landing-sized leap--one that will make life a lot easier for all involved.
I'm talking about diving deep into the Linux waters. Forget about a
version of the desktop with a Windows 10 interface running on the
Linux kernel and finally admit that Microsoft Linux might be the best
solution for today's world.
A full-on Linux distribution released by Microsoft would mean less
frustration for all involved. Microsoft could shift its development
efforts on the Windows 10 desktop to a desktop that would be more
stable, dependable, flexible, and proven. Microsoft could select from
any number of desktops for its official flavor: GNOME, KDE, Pantheon,
Xfce, Mint, Cinnamon... the list goes on and on. Microsoft could use
that desktop as is or contribute to it and create something that's
more in-line with what its users are accustomed to.
Development: Microsoft isn't off the hook This doesn't mean Microsoft
would be off the hook in terms of development.
Microsoft would also want to make major contributions to Wine in order
to ensure all of its products work smoothly with the compatibility
layer and are rolled into the operating system by default so the end
user doesn't have to do anything extra in order to install Windows
applications.
Windows users need Defender
The Microsoft dev teams would also want to port Windows Defender to
this new distribution. Wait. What? Am I seriously suggesting that MS
Linux would need Windows Defender? Yes, I am. Why?
End users still need protection from phishing scams, malicious URLs,
and other types of attacks. The average Windows user might not realize
that the combination of Linux and safe usage practices is far more
secure than Windows 10 and Windows Defender. So, yeah, porting Windows
Defender to Microsoft Linux would be a good step into keeping the user
base comfortable.
Those users would very quickly learn what it's like to work on a
desktop computer and not have to deal with the daily frustrations that
come with the Windows operating system. Updates are smoother and more
trustworthy, it's secure, and the desktop just makes more sense.
Win-win for Microsoft, users, and IT pros Microsoft has been doing
everything in its power to migrate users from the standard
client-based software to cloud and other hosted solutions, and its
software cash cow has become web-centric and subscription-based. All
of those Linux users could still work with Microsoft 365 and any other
Software as a Service (SaaS) solution it has to offer--all from the
comfort and security of the Linux operating system.
That's a win-win for Microsoft and consumers because Windows isn't as
much of a headache to deal with (by way of bug hunting and security
patching its proprietary solutions), and consumers get a more reliable
solution without missing out on anything. If Microsoft plays its cards
right, the company could re-theme KDE or just about any Linux desktop
in such a way that it's not all that different from the Windows 10
interface.
Lay this out right, and consumers might not even know the
difference--a "Windows 11" would simply be the next evolution of the
Microsoft desktop operating system.
Speaking of winning, IT pros would spend less time dealing with
viruses, malware, and operating system issues and more time on keeping
the network (and the servers powering that network) running and secure.
What about the big box stores?
This is where the rubber meets the road. In order to make this really
work, Microsoft would have to completely drop Windows for its flavor
of Linux. In that same vein, Microsoft would need to ensure that big
box stores stocked PCs complete with Microsoft Linux. There would be
no room for half measures--Microsoft would have to go all in to ensure
this transition was a success.
Once the big box stores started selling PCs and laptops with Microsoft
Linux installed, I predict this initiative would be a huge success for
all involved. Microsoft would be seen as finally shipping an operating
system worthy of the consumer; the consumer would have a desktop
operating system that didn't deliver as many headaches as it did
moments of actual productivity and joy; and the Linux community would
finally dominate the desktop.
Microsoft Linux: The time is now
You might think this idea is crazy, but if you really think about it,
the evolution of Microsoft Windows is pointing in this direction. Why
not bypass the halfway portion of this timeline and jump directly to
an end game that spells success for all involved? The time for
Microsoft Linux is now!



--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."














Moving From JAWS to NVDA

Joe Orozco
 

Okay, I’m not actually trying to move fully from JAWS to NVDA, but I
am trying to learn to master NVDA. There are things JAWS does poorly
that I would like to see if the free option does better. Is there a
guide that helps users understand keystrokes in relation to the
familiarity of JAWS? Object navigation, for example, I don’t know what
the parallel would be for JAWS.

Thanks for any referrals to guides and the like.

Joe


JAWS Navigation on Outlook 2016

Joe Orozco
 

Hello,

I’m hoping someone can shed a little light on a problem I’ve been
experiencing with Outlook 2016. I’m using JAWS 2021, but even with
previous versions, I feel as though the emails do not display as
smoothly as they should. Sometimes I find myself checking email from
the Gmail web interface, because in my Outlook, for HTML images with
images and the like, JAWS does not navigate as seamlessly. Headers
don’t render properly. Text and links seem to run together. If I
navigate away with Alt Tab and then come back into the email window,
things like header navigation will work fine, but sometimes this sort
of coaxing does not work successfully. Is there an Outlook setting I
can tweak? Is there something in JAWS I should adjust? In general I
find Outlook quicker than using the web mail interface, but sometimes
I’m tempted to just switch over if the calendar weren’t more efficient
on Office.

Thanks in advance for any tips,

Joe


Re: Envision AI

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I paid $15.92 for a year. I finally got the app to work properly. Had to
delete the app and redownload it and logged in with Apple ID. Now it is
working like it should.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Donna" <Mermaid71007@gmail.com>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Envision AI


If you read the app store description of the app & view the pricing of the
app, you would have noticed that both the yearly & lifetime price is
currently $49.99 & a monthly cost of $4.99.

Donna



Well, if it tells you that you have a life time account then,
Congratulations! because they usually don't give away lifetime
accounts life that. as per them they would consider it an error &
would much rather want to 'fix this issue'! :D

you can join the whatsapp group for your country. do let me know
should you be interested in one.

wishes,

bharat.

On 12/24/20, Loy <loyrg2845@gmail.com> wrote:
I finally was able to log in with Apple, then this morning it is asking
for

email and password to sign in. I enter my email Apple ID and password. It
tells me incorrect email or password Then it asked me if I wanted to
create

an account, I went through the items and got a verification code and
entered

it and now it seems to be working.
It also said something about that I would have a life time account. I
only

paid for a year.
Loy Green
loyrg2845@gmail.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bharat" <bharat.b@gmail.com>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Envision AI


That's very strange indeed. What is the exact error? I have heard this
error for the first time. Are yu from the US? if yes, i could try &
get you the Whatsapp join link for that particular country or your
country & probablly you could check it with them there because i have
never head of this error before.

On 12/23/20, Loy <loyrg2845@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried with Google account, email, apple an non worked.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen West" <alwest0324@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Envision AI


I just logged in with my iPhone. It was very easy. Can we get more info
on
how you are trying to log in?

Allen

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Bharat
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:51 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Envision AI

Request you to login with your Google account please?

On 12/23/20, Loy <loyrg2845@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone tried Envision AI app? I have downloaded it and can't get
pass
the login screen. Doesn't accept any of the login options.

































Re: Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo IdeaPad Question Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Think used to be an IBM thing.

I remember, about 50 years ago, I heard this guy went into
the restroom at IBM. There was a Think sign on the mirror.
He got some soap on his finger and wrote under it "thoap."
So, in the restroom, they had think and thoap.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 10:05 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Lenovo ThinkPad and Lenovo IdeaPad
Question Please.

Hi Everyone,
Can someone please tell me what is the difference between a
Lenovo ThinkPad, and a Lenovo IdeaPad?

Thank you all.

Janet

Peace Be With You.


Re: Resolved/RE: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed/VIP 3000 Thermostat

Norma A. Boge
 

Hi Mike, I installed a new thermostat this morning. It will be OK until I get one I can use independently. Best, Norma

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 11:03 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Resolved/RE: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed/VIP 3000 Thermostat

 

Hi Norma,

 

How was the issue resolved, please?


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 8:50 PM

Subject: Resolved/RE: [TechTalk] Urgent help needed/VIP 3000 Thermostat

 







Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.

Gene
 

This isn't a proper subject to continue. If you read the thread, you will see what he said, my response and others. It isn't appropriate to discuss what Nimer has done elsewhere. the thread on this list will be self-explanatory.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 10:50 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.

so what did nimer do, he has banned me from the nvda mailing list for
no fault of my.
i have written to nvaccess about the same.

On 12/24/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Nimer has left the list. Therefore, I need not respond to his last
insulting message further except to say that he can dish it out but he sure

can't take it.

I would not have allowed such behavior to continue but I need do nothing
now.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I did not flame Dennis, I called the position of theirs stupid.

In any case, if anyone wishes to participate in a welcoming forum to discuss

any form of technology, or if you'd like to listen to the BlindTechGuys
podcast, please visit www.blindtechguys.com or send an email directly to
mailto:blindtechguys%2Bsubscribe@googlegroups.com and let me assure you, you

won't have to deal with Gene's seemingly arbitrary rules about what is or is

not flaming, while he does that to his own members at times. Have a great
one everyone. Merry Christmas.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 7:51 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure Dennis understood your message. His response doesn't seem to
correspond to your complaint.
Whatever the case, you could have gotten your point across in a civil
manner. Instead, you engaged in a flame. I will not tollerate continued
violations of the rules regardding civility and flaming.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I could say the same for what you are doing to your members, particularly
on
a list that is supposedly unmoderated. But I guess that is a response in
and
itself. So thank you for clarifying the stupid position of your list,
dennis.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 05:48 Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you Gene. To remove anyone from lists you own because they didn’t
respond or approve you to a list or remove you from a list they own shows
how petty you are. There are podcasts and forums from differing view
points on a wide variety of topics so there should be no reason that there
can’t be differing opinions on android iOS and the like. You are also
hurting your own members of those lists for which you own by removing
members you don’t like as you don’t know what useful content those members
may have to share with your members.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 7:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second eposod of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.





You have sent this message to a number of lists. I can only speak for
this one. I will allow those criticized to respond. I will not allow this
thread to continue beyond that. I shall attempt to explain the difference
between this and other conduct that occurs on lists of this sort without
objection by the owners and to which I do not object.



If someone has a problem with a service or company, a message discussing
the
matter may be allowed, generally as a part of a larger discussion.
Generally, people do not open threads saying I was treated this or that way
by this company. Usually, such responses are sent if a certain topic bears
on it such as where to buy something. A member may say that they have had
bad experiences with this or that vendor or brand as a part of such
discussions. A member may send a message saying that this or that list
isn't moderated and there is a lot of off topic traffic or that this or
that
list doesn't like messages from inexperienced users if someone has asked
what lists are good for this or that subject. But allowing this sort of
unsolicited discussion, a list member sending an angry flame such as the
below message is not allowed. Allowing such messages might cause this list
to turn into a consumer complaint kind of list and a shaming list and it
violates the no flame rule. Sending a message saying I've been trying to
join this or that list, will the owners please explain why I haven't been
approved is allowed. Messages like this are not.



In future, will anyone who wants to post such criticisms ask using the
llist
owner's address or write to the moderator or me before posting. The
message
may not be acceptable as written. It might be modified to fit within the
list rules and expectations.



Gene, owner



On 12/24/2020 2:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:



As at least two hosts of the BAU podcast are incredibly rude, Warren Carr
and Austin Pinto, and don't reach out or respond to feedback, I am posting
it publicly in hopes of shaming them into a response. Also, in hopes of
letting list members know of the kind of hosts they listen to and support,
when they choose to listen to this podcast. I tried subscribing to their
"unmoderated" list after I was removed for no cause, and provided no reason
for why I was removed. Yet my subscription to their list hasn't been
approved. I also provided feedback on their last podcast, but never got a
response. So maybe a public response will work, maybe not.







I am reaching out, once again, to find out why you claim that the BAU
list
is unmoderated, and yet you have not approved my subscription to the list.
I
would also like to know when the blindandroidusers.com website will be up,
as it shows a landing page at the moment, so the intro to the podcast links
to a site that isn't up. I am wondering if your team has any plans of
improving audio quality. The quality of the podcast was distracting to
listen to, with the wide variability in audio quality. Finally, I would
like
to know if you/your team have tried the GoodMaps app outdoors. For me, the
intersection notifications don't work reliably. There are many features
missing from Nearby Explorer, so I would have liked for the team to address
those. For instance, I would have liked the team to ask about the GeoBeam
feature, as this was really helpful in finding the door to a building.







If I still don't get a response after this public post, I will be removing
all three hosts from any list that I own, including the NVDA community and
the Blind Tech Guys podcast within five days.







Also, as to not clutter the list any further, please post your agreement or
disagreement privately at nimerjaber1@gmail.com. I normally would not do
this in a public manner, but I am tired of seeing this podcast's
announcements knowing how they have treated at least two former members of
their list.







Thanks.







On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:55 PM Austin Pinto
<austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com> wrote:



in this podcast, we discussed the good maps app which is currently
available on android and iPhone, this app is currently available in
USA and Canada, but will be rolled out to other parts of the world
gradually.
the url to listen is.
https://blindandroidusers.podsite.io/
we are also available on google podcasts, pocketcast , and others.
enjoy.
and from the BAU team, marry Christmas and happy holidays.
















--



Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.




Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.







Thank you, and have a great day!























--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

Thank you, and have a great day!








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follow me on twitter.
austinmpinto
contact me on skype.
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Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.

Mich Verrier
 

He said that you where rude and that you didn’t reply to messages. He said a lot more and you can find that out by following the three. Hth from much

On Dec 24, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com> wrote:

so what did nimer do, he has banned me from the nvda mailing list for
no fault of my.
i have written to nvaccess about the same.

On 12/24/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Nimer has left the list. Therefore, I need not respond to his last
insulting message further except to say that he can dish it out but he sure

can't take it.

I would not have allowed such behavior to continue but I need do nothing
now.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I did not flame Dennis, I called the position of theirs stupid.

In any case, if anyone wishes to participate in a welcoming forum to discuss

any form of technology, or if you'd like to listen to the BlindTechGuys
podcast, please visit www.blindtechguys.com or send an email directly to
mailto:blindtechguys%2Bsubscribe@googlegroups.com and let me assure you, you

won't have to deal with Gene's seemingly arbitrary rules about what is or is

not flaming, while he does that to his own members at times. Have a great
one everyone. Merry Christmas.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 7:51 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure Dennis understood your message. His response doesn't seem to
correspond to your complaint.
Whatever the case, you could have gotten your point across in a civil
manner. Instead, you engaged in a flame. I will not tollerate continued
violations of the rules regardding civility and flaming.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I could say the same for what you are doing to your members, particularly
on
a list that is supposedly unmoderated. But I guess that is a response in
and
itself. So thank you for clarifying the stupid position of your list,
dennis.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 05:48 Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you Gene. To remove anyone from lists you own because they didn’t
respond or approve you to a list or remove you from a list they own shows
how petty you are. There are podcasts and forums from differing view
points on a wide variety of topics so there should be no reason that there
can’t be differing opinions on android iOS and the like. You are also
hurting your own members of those lists for which you own by removing
members you don’t like as you don’t know what useful content those members
may have to share with your members.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 7:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second eposod of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.





You have sent this message to a number of lists. I can only speak for
this one. I will allow those criticized to respond. I will not allow this
thread to continue beyond that. I shall attempt to explain the difference
between this and other conduct that occurs on lists of this sort without
objection by the owners and to which I do not object.



If someone has a problem with a service or company, a message discussing
the
matter may be allowed, generally as a part of a larger discussion.
Generally, people do not open threads saying I was treated this or that way
by this company. Usually, such responses are sent if a certain topic bears
on it such as where to buy something. A member may say that they have had
bad experiences with this or that vendor or brand as a part of such
discussions. A member may send a message saying that this or that list
isn't moderated and there is a lot of off topic traffic or that this or
that
list doesn't like messages from inexperienced users if someone has asked
what lists are good for this or that subject. But allowing this sort of
unsolicited discussion, a list member sending an angry flame such as the
below message is not allowed. Allowing such messages might cause this list
to turn into a consumer complaint kind of list and a shaming list and it
violates the no flame rule. Sending a message saying I've been trying to
join this or that list, will the owners please explain why I haven't been
approved is allowed. Messages like this are not.



In future, will anyone who wants to post such criticisms ask using the
llist
owner's address or write to the moderator or me before posting. The
message
may not be acceptable as written. It might be modified to fit within the
list rules and expectations.



Gene, owner



On 12/24/2020 2:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:



As at least two hosts of the BAU podcast are incredibly rude, Warren Carr
and Austin Pinto, and don't reach out or respond to feedback, I am posting
it publicly in hopes of shaming them into a response. Also, in hopes of
letting list members know of the kind of hosts they listen to and support,
when they choose to listen to this podcast. I tried subscribing to their
"unmoderated" list after I was removed for no cause, and provided no reason
for why I was removed. Yet my subscription to their list hasn't been
approved. I also provided feedback on their last podcast, but never got a
response. So maybe a public response will work, maybe not.







I am reaching out, once again, to find out why you claim that the BAU
list
is unmoderated, and yet you have not approved my subscription to the list.
I
would also like to know when the blindandroidusers.com website will be up,
as it shows a landing page at the moment, so the intro to the podcast links
to a site that isn't up. I am wondering if your team has any plans of
improving audio quality. The quality of the podcast was distracting to
listen to, with the wide variability in audio quality. Finally, I would
like
to know if you/your team have tried the GoodMaps app outdoors. For me, the
intersection notifications don't work reliably. There are many features
missing from Nearby Explorer, so I would have liked for the team to address
those. For instance, I would have liked the team to ask about the GeoBeam
feature, as this was really helpful in finding the door to a building.







If I still don't get a response after this public post, I will be removing
all three hosts from any list that I own, including the NVDA community and
the Blind Tech Guys podcast within five days.







Also, as to not clutter the list any further, please post your agreement or
disagreement privately at nimerjaber1@gmail.com. I normally would not do
this in a public manner, but I am tired of seeing this podcast's
announcements knowing how they have treated at least two former members of
their list.







Thanks.







On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:55 PM Austin Pinto
<austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com> wrote:



in this podcast, we discussed the good maps app which is currently
available on android and iPhone, this app is currently available in
USA and Canada, but will be rolled out to other parts of the world
gradually.
the url to listen is.
https://blindandroidusers.podsite.io/
we are also available on google podcasts, pocketcast , and others.
enjoy.
and from the BAU team, marry Christmas and happy holidays.
















--



Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.




Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.







Thank you, and have a great day!























--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

Thank you, and have a great day!








--
search for me on facebook, google+, orkut..
austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com
follow me on twitter.
austinmpinto
contact me on skype.
austin.pinto3





Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.

 

so what did nimer do, he has banned me from the nvda mailing list for
no fault of my.
i have written to nvaccess about the same.

On 12/24/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Nimer has left the list. Therefore, I need not respond to his last
insulting message further except to say that he can dish it out but he sure

can't take it.

I would not have allowed such behavior to continue but I need do nothing
now.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I did not flame Dennis, I called the position of theirs stupid.

In any case, if anyone wishes to participate in a welcoming forum to discuss

any form of technology, or if you'd like to listen to the BlindTechGuys
podcast, please visit www.blindtechguys.com or send an email directly to
mailto:blindtechguys%2Bsubscribe@googlegroups.com and let me assure you, you

won't have to deal with Gene's seemingly arbitrary rules about what is or is

not flaming, while he does that to his own members at times. Have a great
one everyone. Merry Christmas.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 7:51 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure Dennis understood your message. His response doesn't seem to
correspond to your complaint.
Whatever the case, you could have gotten your point across in a civil
manner. Instead, you engaged in a flame. I will not tollerate continued
violations of the rules regardding civility and flaming.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I could say the same for what you are doing to your members, particularly
on
a list that is supposedly unmoderated. But I guess that is a response in
and
itself. So thank you for clarifying the stupid position of your list,
dennis.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 05:48 Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you Gene. To remove anyone from lists you own because they didn’t
respond or approve you to a list or remove you from a list they own shows
how petty you are. There are podcasts and forums from differing view
points on a wide variety of topics so there should be no reason that there
can’t be differing opinions on android iOS and the like. You are also
hurting your own members of those lists for which you own by removing
members you don’t like as you don’t know what useful content those members
may have to share with your members.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 7:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second eposod of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.





You have sent this message to a number of lists. I can only speak for
this one. I will allow those criticized to respond. I will not allow this
thread to continue beyond that. I shall attempt to explain the difference
between this and other conduct that occurs on lists of this sort without
objection by the owners and to which I do not object.



If someone has a problem with a service or company, a message discussing
the
matter may be allowed, generally as a part of a larger discussion.
Generally, people do not open threads saying I was treated this or that way
by this company. Usually, such responses are sent if a certain topic bears
on it such as where to buy something. A member may say that they have had
bad experiences with this or that vendor or brand as a part of such
discussions. A member may send a message saying that this or that list
isn't moderated and there is a lot of off topic traffic or that this or
that
list doesn't like messages from inexperienced users if someone has asked
what lists are good for this or that subject. But allowing this sort of
unsolicited discussion, a list member sending an angry flame such as the
below message is not allowed. Allowing such messages might cause this list
to turn into a consumer complaint kind of list and a shaming list and it
violates the no flame rule. Sending a message saying I've been trying to
join this or that list, will the owners please explain why I haven't been
approved is allowed. Messages like this are not.



In future, will anyone who wants to post such criticisms ask using the
llist
owner's address or write to the moderator or me before posting. The
message
may not be acceptable as written. It might be modified to fit within the
list rules and expectations.



Gene, owner



On 12/24/2020 2:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:



As at least two hosts of the BAU podcast are incredibly rude, Warren Carr
and Austin Pinto, and don't reach out or respond to feedback, I am posting
it publicly in hopes of shaming them into a response. Also, in hopes of
letting list members know of the kind of hosts they listen to and support,
when they choose to listen to this podcast. I tried subscribing to their
"unmoderated" list after I was removed for no cause, and provided no reason
for why I was removed. Yet my subscription to their list hasn't been
approved. I also provided feedback on their last podcast, but never got a
response. So maybe a public response will work, maybe not.







I am reaching out, once again, to find out why you claim that the BAU
list
is unmoderated, and yet you have not approved my subscription to the list.
I
would also like to know when the blindandroidusers.com website will be up,
as it shows a landing page at the moment, so the intro to the podcast links
to a site that isn't up. I am wondering if your team has any plans of
improving audio quality. The quality of the podcast was distracting to
listen to, with the wide variability in audio quality. Finally, I would
like
to know if you/your team have tried the GoodMaps app outdoors. For me, the
intersection notifications don't work reliably. There are many features
missing from Nearby Explorer, so I would have liked for the team to address
those. For instance, I would have liked the team to ask about the GeoBeam
feature, as this was really helpful in finding the door to a building.







If I still don't get a response after this public post, I will be removing
all three hosts from any list that I own, including the NVDA community and
the Blind Tech Guys podcast within five days.







Also, as to not clutter the list any further, please post your agreement or
disagreement privately at nimerjaber1@gmail.com. I normally would not do
this in a public manner, but I am tired of seeing this podcast's
announcements knowing how they have treated at least two former members of
their list.







Thanks.







On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:55 PM Austin Pinto
<austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com> wrote:



in this podcast, we discussed the good maps app which is currently
available on android and iPhone, this app is currently available in
USA and Canada, but will be rolled out to other parts of the world
gradually.
the url to listen is.
https://blindandroidusers.podsite.io/
we are also available on google podcasts, pocketcast , and others.
enjoy.
and from the BAU team, marry Christmas and happy holidays.
















--



Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.




Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.







Thank you, and have a great day!























--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for
Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970)
(393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

Thank you, and have a great day!







--
search for me on facebook, google+, orkut..
austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com
follow me on twitter.
austinmpinto
contact me on skype.
austin.pinto3


Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.

Gene
 

Nimer has left the list. Therefore, I need not respond to his last insulting message further except to say that he can dish it out but he sure can't take it.

I would not have allowed such behavior to continue but I need do nothing now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I did not flame Dennis, I called the position of theirs stupid.

In any case, if anyone wishes to participate in a welcoming forum to discuss any form of technology, or if you'd like to listen to the BlindTechGuys podcast, please visit www.blindtechguys.com or send an email directly to mailto:blindtechguys%2Bsubscribe@googlegroups.com and let me assure you, you won't have to deal with Gene's seemingly arbitrary rules about what is or is not flaming, while he does that to his own members at times. Have a great one everyone. Merry Christmas.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 7:51 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure Dennis understood your message. His response doesn't seem to
correspond to your complaint.
Whatever the case, you could have gotten your point across in a civil
manner. Instead, you engaged in a flame. I will not tollerate continued
violations of the rules regardding civility and flaming.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:31 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.


I could say the same for what you are doing to your members, particularly on
a list that is supposedly unmoderated. But I guess that is a response in and
itself. So thank you for clarifying the stupid position of your list,
dennis.


On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 05:48 Dennis L <dennisl1982@gmail.com> wrote:


Thank you Gene. To remove anyone from lists you own because they didn’t
respond or approve you to a list or remove you from a list they own shows
how petty you are. There are podcasts and forums from differing view
points on a wide variety of topics so there should be no reason that there
can’t be differing opinions on android iOS and the like. You are also
hurting your own members of those lists for which you own by removing
members you don’t like as you don’t know what useful content those members
may have to share with your members.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 7:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second eposod of blind android users
podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.





You have sent this message to a number of lists. I can only speak for
this one. I will allow those criticized to respond. I will not allow this
thread to continue beyond that. I shall attempt to explain the difference
between this and other conduct that occurs on lists of this sort without
objection by the owners and to which I do not object.



If someone has a problem with a service or company, a message discussing the
matter may be allowed, generally as a part of a larger discussion.
Generally, people do not open threads saying I was treated this or that way
by this company. Usually, such responses are sent if a certain topic bears
on it such as where to buy something. A member may say that they have had
bad experiences with this or that vendor or brand as a part of such
discussions. A member may send a message saying that this or that list
isn't moderated and there is a lot of off topic traffic or that this or that
list doesn't like messages from inexperienced users if someone has asked
what lists are good for this or that subject. But allowing this sort of
unsolicited discussion, a list member sending an angry flame such as the
below message is not allowed. Allowing such messages might cause this list
to turn into a consumer complaint kind of list and a shaming list and it
violates the no flame rule. Sending a message saying I've been trying to
join this or that list, will the owners please explain why I haven't been
approved is allowed. Messages like this are not.



In future, will anyone who wants to post such criticisms ask using the llist
owner's address or write to the moderator or me before posting. The message
may not be acceptable as written. It might be modified to fit within the
list rules and expectations.



Gene, owner



On 12/24/2020 2:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:



As at least two hosts of the BAU podcast are incredibly rude, Warren Carr
and Austin Pinto, and don't reach out or respond to feedback, I am posting
it publicly in hopes of shaming them into a response. Also, in hopes of
letting list members know of the kind of hosts they listen to and support,
when they choose to listen to this podcast. I tried subscribing to their
"unmoderated" list after I was removed for no cause, and provided no reason
for why I was removed. Yet my subscription to their list hasn't been
approved. I also provided feedback on their last podcast, but never got a
response. So maybe a public response will work, maybe not.







I am reaching out, once again, to find out why you claim that the BAU list
is unmoderated, and yet you have not approved my subscription to the list. I
would also like to know when the blindandroidusers.com website will be up,
as it shows a landing page at the moment, so the intro to the podcast links
to a site that isn't up. I am wondering if your team has any plans of
improving audio quality. The quality of the podcast was distracting to
listen to, with the wide variability in audio quality. Finally, I would like
to know if you/your team have tried the GoodMaps app outdoors. For me, the
intersection notifications don't work reliably. There are many features
missing from Nearby Explorer, so I would have liked for the team to address
those. For instance, I would have liked the team to ask about the GeoBeam
feature, as this was really helpful in finding the door to a building.







If I still don't get a response after this public post, I will be removing
all three hosts from any list that I own, including the NVDA community and
the Blind Tech Guys podcast within five days.







Also, as to not clutter the list any further, please post your agreement or
disagreement privately at nimerjaber1@gmail.com. I normally would not do
this in a public manner, but I am tired of seeing this podcast's
announcements knowing how they have treated at least two former members of
their list.







Thanks.







On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 10:55 PM Austin Pinto
<austinpinto.xaviers@gmail.com> wrote:



in this podcast, we discussed the good maps app which is currently
available on android and iPhone, this app is currently available in
USA and Canada, but will be rolled out to other parts of the world
gradually.
the url to listen is.
https://blindandroidusers.podsite.io/
we are also available on google podcasts, pocketcast , and others.
enjoy.
and from the BAU team, marry Christmas and happy holidays.
















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IBM personal is now Lenovo

Monte Single
 

My google assistant tells me that ibm sold their personal pc side to Lenovo  in 2005,  ibm still owns 18.9 per cent of Lenovo.

Lenovo is based in China.

 

P s;  the largest bank in the world is the Industrial and Commercial Bank of China

 

Attention shoppers, on sale in aisle  seven…


Re: Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I have an Intel processor, and the thing just works!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.

Hi,

Aren’t the AMD processors mostly for gaming? I have i5Intel Processor with my Lenovo, and I know I can do gaming if I want to, but I don’t want and I don’t plan on gaming though.

Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 10:04 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Word Processor Suggestions Help Please.



I like computers with the AMD ryzen processors. They work very good, and I think they are much faster than Intel processor's. Lenovo also sells such computers.


Re: Lenovo Laptops.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I am, but then, I always have been an IBM girl. Mine is a desktop, but it has served me very well.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 9:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

Hi Carolyn,
I'm glad to hear you are happy with your Lenovo, as this is the very first time for me. Thank you for this.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:35 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

I also had two Dell computers and am happier with my Lenovo.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 7:24 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.

A lot of people think Dell is the best thing since sliced bread. I had two of them, and I can’t stand Dell. I had a lot of problems with them. Pam.

From: Juan Gonzalez via groups.io <mailto:jgonzalezh614=icloud.com@groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 3:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.


Putting my two cents into this topic. I was a big dell computer guy but this year I decided to go with the Lenovo Legion i5 and I would not look back. This is a power house and for the price it was right. I would not recommend this computer to some one who needs it for portability cause this is a gaming computer but Lenovo’s productivity laptops are great as well. My Girlfriend has a Lenovo ultra book and it has lasted her for a long time. You really cannot go wrong with Lenovo right now.



Juan Gonzalez

IT – DAX Analyst/IT Support Technician | Information Technology

Phone: 312 .666.1331 Ext. 3704

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From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2020 1:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Janet, as I understand it, Lenovo is a Chinese division of

IBM>



-----Original Message-----

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io

[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 8:41 PM

To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: [TechTalk] Lenovo Laptops.



Hi Everyone,

I just want to thank those who said they have a Lenovo, as I

never heard of them. So, by the few people who did let me

know their experience with Lenovo, makes me feel more

comfortable, as this is the first time I even heard of

Lenovo Laptops. This also gives me more confidence.

Thank you again.



Janet



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Re: Admin. [TechTalk] the second episode of blind android users podcast is now uploaded and ready for listening.

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

May I respectfully suggest that this is a personal matter. There has been a good deal of bouncing of messages these days, especially those from Gmail. Gmail was hacked a week or so ago, and since then, many people have been bouncing and/or having their mail not reach its destination.

Having seen responses from the people mentioned in the original post, may I humbly suggest that these people get together with the original poster off-list and settle this. It doesn't seem to be a huge problem.

Thanks Gene for clarifying what can and can't be posted here.

Ann P.

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