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I'm not sure if I have a lemon or just a trouble making computer

DAVID GLOBE
 

I got this computer in 2020, Its a brand new computer running win ten and jaws 2020.  Shortly after I got it, the speaker port on the back stopped working, so I plugged my speakers in the front and that was ok for a while.  Now neither port works, and as strange as it may sound, I have a headset plugged in to the speaker control, and they work very well.  I know the problem isn't with the speakers, as I can unplug them from the computer and plug them in to anything else and they will work just fine.  My suspitions are that the soundcard is wonky.  I'll be talking to my tech hopefully next week, and he can figure things out.  It sure has me baffled.

David


Re: my computer no longer plays wave files

Blaster
 

Joe, You don't really have to know what the codec files are exactly,
only that they are installed on your pc. Windows will pick and choose
which ones it wants whenever it wants one. But, Here's something else
you can try. Just in case your file associations got a little mixed
up between audio programs, you can re-associate the .wav file type
with your media player. I'm not sure if specific codecs are tied to
file associations, but it's worth a try.

Press the windows key on your keyboard and tap the letter E key to
open a file explorer window.

Navigate to a folder where you keep your .wav files.

Arrow up or down to select a .wav file.

Press the context key on your keyboard, shift key plus the F10 key if
you use a laptop, to open the context window.

Arrow up or down until you come to the selection titled "Open with"
and press the right-arrow key to open the fly-out window.

Even though media player is in this list, arrow down to the selection
titled "choose another program" and press the enter key.

In this window, Tap the tab key until you get to a list of programs,
In this list, arrow down to media player and then tap the tab key to
jump down to a check box that says always use this program to open the
associated file type.

Press the space bar to check the box and then tab to the OK button and
press the enter key.

You'll be taken back to the file explorer where your .wav file should
still be selected, so press the enter key on it and see if it opens in
media player and starts to pley.

Good luck,
Blaster

On 1/1/21, Joe Giovanelli <joegio100@gmail.com> wrote:
David, just to say that your suggestion does not work with Win 7.

I looked at codecs but they are more complicated than my pay grade.

I hope you or others have more ideas.

Thank you.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Blaster <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my computer no longer plays wave files



You may want to reinstall your codecs just in case the one Media
player and VLC has become corrupted. You can get the K-lite codec
pack from this website:

https://ninite.com/accessible

HTH,
Blaster


On 12/28/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know what is causing the problem. Try selecting a file in the
list,

and instead of just pressing enter on it, try opening the context menu
and
press enter on open and play. While I doubt this will cause the file
to
play, you never know.

But as to how to solve the underlying problem, I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:44 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my computer no longer plays wave files

Hi, Listers,

I am using a computer running Win 7. For whatever reason, it no longer
will

let me play wave files. This is NOT an association problem. Media Player
is

the default program for playing wave files. I also tried VLC, and wave
files

still do not play.

I installed CCleaner Professional and wondered if something in that
software

cased the problem. I uninstalled it. No luck. Next, I chose a system
restore

point which was earlier than the date when Cclear was installed. No
good.

There is where I am now. I do a lot with wave files. My CD collection is
now

on an external hard drive, backed up with another drive.

In case it means anything, Goldwave permits me to play wave files, but
I
don't think there's a way to play all the files in a folder. That is
what I

would have to do in order to play a CDE.

I thank you for any way to resolve my dilemma.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY

















Re: Paypal, Getting on the Same Page

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Essentially, yes, though the page I get to has ads and crap that is clogging up the web page. My "next" button doesn't seem to work at all, so I am stuck on the page where I enter the person's name. I got all this crap about adding to contacts and not in contacts and yada, yada! There were buttons with people's names but when I pressed enter or spacebar nothing happened. Why can't they just have the simple interface they used to have. I do not understand why companies have to take a perfectly good interface and change it so that it is all fancied up for the sighted and it contains a bunch of crap and fancy garbage and ads that are not needed at all. Take your ads and shove 'em! I want to do business, I don't want to listen to ads and have Paypal try to sell me more stuff. All I want to do is do my business and get off. Take the contact list and put it in a link that you can access IF YOU WANT TO DO SO! I don't want to be bothered with it if I don't want it. And make the buttons so they actually work, please!

Disgusted in Rochester,
Ann P.


Original message:

I did make contact with Paypal via the message center. The response
was discouraging. They said to clear my Chrome history, which I have
now done more to amuse myself than out of any belief it would help the
situation. I’ll report back in case it does help.
But, I want to make sure we’re all experiencing the same problem. I
can add a recipient and click the Next button just fine. In the next
screen, however, is where the problem exists for me. I don’t see the
amount field, message field, etc. I only see the header and footer
menus with nothing in the middle of the page. Using Firefox does help.
Is this the issue others are seeing? I’m going to take another swing
at contacting Paypal and want to make sure I’m reporting the issue
correctly.
Joe

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"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

<smiling> Yes, they are for sale, but if you were going to review them--. Each Pamphlet is $3.00. Can't remember what I say the full package is, $30.00 I think but I may have changed it because I wrote more pamphlets.

Ann P.

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Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Paypal, Getting on the Same Page

Gene
 

A completely useless suggestion. When you don't know what to suggest, suggest something generic that won't address the problem. History is a record of sites you have visited. It has nothing to do with how a page displays. And because getting rid of history means that all visited links are gone, if you use that method to find things on pages, you really don't want to do it. Also, I sometimes use history to go back to a page or site I didn't book mark but later decide I want to visit again.

One list member reported yesterday that using a very old version of Firefox, one of the 50x series, allows him to work with the site and not have the problem you are discussing. You can easily use one of the 50.x versions by getting it as a portable program. You can haveit on your machine and not interefere in any way with the installed version you are using or with the other portable version you may be using.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 6:44 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Paypal, Getting on the Same Page

I did make contact with Paypal via the message center. The response
was discouraging. They said to clear my Chrome history, which I have
now done more to amuse myself than out of any belief it would help the
situation. I’ll report back in case it does help.

But, I want to make sure we’re all experiencing the same problem. I
can add a recipient and click the Next button just fine. In the next
screen, however, is where the problem exists for me. I don’t see the
amount field, message field, etc. I only see the header and footer
menus with nothing in the middle of the page. Using Firefox does help.
Is this the issue others are seeing? I’m going to take another swing
at contacting Paypal and want to make sure I’m reporting the issue
correctly.

Joe


Re: Paypal, Getting on the Same Page

Andy
 

This jives with my experience.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsoro824@gmail.com>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 4:44 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Paypal, Getting on the Same Page


I did make contact with Paypal via the message center. The response
was discouraging. They said to clear my Chrome history, which I have
now done more to amuse myself than out of any belief it would help the
situation. I’ll report back in case it does help.

But, I want to make sure we’re all experiencing the same problem. I
can add a recipient and click the Next button just fine. In the next
screen, however, is where the problem exists for me. I don’t see the
amount field, message field, etc. I only see the header and footer
menus with nothing in the middle of the page. Using Firefox does help.
Is this the issue others are seeing? I’m going to take another swing
at contacting Paypal and want to make sure I’m reporting the issue
correctly.

Joe


Paypal, Getting on the Same Page

Joe Orozco
 

I did make contact with Paypal via the message center. The response
was discouraging. They said to clear my Chrome history, which I have
now done more to amuse myself than out of any belief it would help the
situation. I’ll report back in case it does help.

But, I want to make sure we’re all experiencing the same problem. I
can add a recipient and click the Next button just fine. In the next
screen, however, is where the problem exists for me. I don’t see the
amount field, message field, etc. I only see the header and footer
menus with nothing in the middle of the page. Using Firefox does help.
Is this the issue others are seeing? I’m going to take another swing
at contacting Paypal and want to make sure I’m reporting the issue
correctly.

Joe


Re: my computer no longer plays wave files

Joe Giovanelli
 

David, just to say that your suggestion does not work with Win 7.

I looked at codecs but they are more complicated than my pay grade.

I hope you or others have more ideas.

Thank you.

Joe G.

----- Original Message -----
From: Blaster <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] my computer no longer plays wave files



You may want to reinstall your codecs just in case the one Media
player and VLC has become corrupted. You can get the K-lite codec
pack from this website:

https://ninite.com/accessible

HTH,
Blaster


On 12/28/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know what is causing the problem. Try selecting a file in the list,

and instead of just pressing enter on it, try opening the context menu and
press enter on open and play. While I doubt this will cause the file to
play, you never know.

But as to how to solve the underlying problem, I don't know.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Giovanelli
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:44 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] my computer no longer plays wave files

Hi, Listers,

I am using a computer running Win 7. For whatever reason, it no longer will

let me play wave files. This is NOT an association problem. Media Player is

the default program for playing wave files. I also tried VLC, and wave files

still do not play.

I installed CCleaner Professional and wondered if something in that software

cased the problem. I uninstalled it. No luck. Next, I chose a system restore

point which was earlier than the date when Cclear was installed. No good.

There is where I am now. I do a lot with wave files. My CD collection is now

on an external hard drive, backed up with another drive.

In case it means anything, Goldwave permits me to play wave files, but I
don't think there's a way to play all the files in a folder. That is what I

would have to do in order to play a CDE.

I thank you for any way to resolve my dilemma.

Joe Giovanelli, W2PVY













Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Gene
 

I see one or two sample Mini Blinds provided. I'll look at those as well as the descriptions of the others.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 10:44 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

Gene, thanks. Take a look when you have time at the other offerings in
the Mini Blinds series. You might want to recommend them to somebody.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Gene
 

I thought you said you have to purchase them. Is that correct?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 10:44 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

Gene, thanks. Take a look when you have time at the other offerings in
the Mini Blinds series. You might want to recommend them to somebody.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Brian Zolo
 

Hey there, shelly, Brian Zolo here in Gahanna, Ohio, happy New Year! Whenever you delete older versions of jaws, your settings are deleted so whenever you install a new version of jaws, it's important that you go into the basic options and make sure that you checkbox that says start jaws at the logon screen. The next setting is start jaws for all users and I leave that setting unchecked and then your next setting is start jaws for this user always that's a combo box and I leave mine for this user and the go to okay and hit your space bar and then just tab on over to lkay again and hit your space bar and you're finished. I sure wish that vispero would add something to the installation that asks you whether you want to keep your settings so that you don't have to keep doing this as it sure would make things much simpler for folks, grin! BZ!

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shelly Kane
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 4:57 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Madison:


I did what you said and it was unchecked. I have no idea how that setting got unchecked when I deleted the older versions of Jaws. If I have any other problems, I will be sure to post. So glad that there are Jaws users here. Thanks again and Happy New Year everyone!

Shelly

On 12/31/2020 1:18 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi Shelley,
Okay.
1. Go to the Jaws context menu either by clicking on the Jaws shortcut
that's on your desktop (if you have one on your desktop) or by pressing insert j 2. Once you get to the context menu Options will be the first thing that comes up.
3. Enter on options and tab 3 times to Autimatically start Jaws...
button Once you enter on that button a dialog box will come up and the first option is "Start Jaws at the log-on screen" and Jaws will tell you whether it's checked or unchecked. If it's unchecked then check it and tab to the okay button. You'll be asked to restart Jaws, once you do this then everything should be back to normal.
Hope these instructions are clear and simple enough... If not then sorry, hopefully someone else can give you simpler ones.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shelly Kane
Sent: December 31, 2020 4:00 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Madison:


I don't think we changed anything. Maybe we hit something accidentally when we deleted them. When I downloaded 2021, I checked the box to have Jaws start up when I turn on the computer. If you can tell me where to check that, I would appreciate it. Maybe it got unchecked somehow.

Shelly

On 12/31/2020 12:26 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi Shelley,
Did you happen to change any settings when uninstalling the other 2 versions of Jaws? If so, then let me know and I'll try and help you.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Shelly Kane
Sent: December 31, 2020 3:21 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi Group:


I deleted Jaws 2019 and 2020 because I now have Jaws 2021 and I
didn't need the other ones. Since I have taken the other versions
off my computer, now when I turn on the computer to sign in using my
pin, Jaws
2021 no longer says anything like it used to. It would always tell me to sign in and now it's not. Do you know how I can get this to talk again when I first turn on the computer? When I downloaded it a few months ago, I checked everything so it would turn on right away and it did. I'm not sure if we hit something taking off the other programs and now it's not turning on. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Simple Instructions would be most helpful. I'm not tech savvy. When I type in my pin, Jaws does come up but I need it right when I turn on the computer like it was.

Shelly

























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Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Well, I'm not much of a promoter, but I had intended putting out a couple of ads this coming week. Can't do much Monday as I have a doctors' appt. However, I will be mounting a concerted effort to get 'em noticed.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
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Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Gene, thanks. Take a look when you have time at the other offerings in the Mini Blinds series. You might want to recommend them to somebody.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

One example of a dialog which does not include OK and Cancel buttons is the Settings app contained within Windows 10. When you press the Windows key with the letter I a setting is changed as soon as you modify it.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 7:05 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,


Good points, Gene. I always learn something when reading your posts.
So I'll change my admonition, explore your dialogs but don't change anything unless you're sure you want to do whatever it is. One thing though, if you do change something, going back to the dialog will most probably allow you to put things back to what they were before you changed something.

Ann P.


Original message:
More discussion is needed on this question.
Not quite. Some dialogs don't have ok buttons and actions take
immediate effect. Tabbing through a dialog won't cause any problems
as you say, but it needs to be pointed out that if you change settings
it may. Firefox is an example of a program where the options dialog
has no ok button and changes take immediate effect. Probably Thunderbird is as well.
While a lot of dialogs have ok and cancel buttons, it appears to me
that more may not than in the past. So tabbing around is fine.
Changing settings is something you should be careful about until you
have found out if the dialog has an ok and a cancel button.
And if you are looking around in a dialog. never use ok to close it if
you don't intend to change any settings. Even if you are sure you
haven't changed anything, use cancel or escape if escape works in the
dialog. Most of the time, it does and is the same as cancel.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 3:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!
Hi all,
I think sometimes people tend to forget that you can't damage anything
in Windows dialogs unless you press an OK button, so therefore,
tabbing through a dialog does not harm anything at all.
Ann P.
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Re: Jaws Help, Please!

David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

I have a few things to add to Ann's document.
1. Pressing the Windows key with the letter T moves focus to the task bar. Pressing the Windows key with the tab key brings up the task view which can optionally include a timeline of apps you've opened in the past thirty days.
2. The taskbar doesn't just include apps that you currently have opened although that's what the task bar was known for. It can also include programs that you want to place there for quick access, known as pinning a program.
3. Technically, I would not consider the task bar to be a menu although it does function like a menu from the perspective of a keyboard user.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2021 7:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

The System Tray is part of the Windows Desktop. It contains programs which are running in the background as opposed to the taskbar where your currently opened programs are listed. This is basic Windows training. It may be to your advantage to have Jaws running in The System Tray. For your convenience I have included a little tutorial which I wrote some time back. It's part of the Mini Blinds series of pamphlets which are listed in the Bookstore on my web site. I'm not sure the Paypal links work, so if you want any more of these, write me and then I'll give you a link to Paypal so you can pay for the pamphlets you want.




MINI BLINDS
Help For Learning Windows in a Small Package

By Ann K. Parsons


The Windows Desktop

"I've got all this stuff! I have manuals! I have books! I have help files! I'm going bonkers here! What do I do? I can't read all this stuff! I don't know where to start!"

Well, then, try our Mini Blinds pamphlets. They are small.
They are simple, and you only get one small subject per pamphlet. Want to know something small, something specific, don't want to search through a whole book, then Mini Blinds is what you want. You want to cover Windows with Mini Blinds, not drapes, not curtains, but mini blinds. Here you go, try this on for size and convenience! If you want drapes or curtains or Venetian blinds, there is a list of resources for excellent books and tutorials at the end of this pamphlet. The advantage to ,portal ,tutoring's Mini Blinds is that once you grasp what's going on here, you can read and understand all those books and manuals you've got there. So don't throw them out!

Note, these Mini Blinds are written using keyboard commands.
These are commands that can be used by anyone using Windows. If you don't like the mouse, try keyboard commands. If you use a mouse, you can just click on the things I discuss here. Otherwise, use your hands on the keyboard.

The Windows Desktop

The Windows Desktop is the root or center of your computer. It is from here that everything begins. For the Sighted, the main portion of The Desktop appears like a bulletin board with many pictures on it.
The pictures are placed in rows and columns. Each picture or icon represents a link to a program or file. The Computer or This PC icon is a picture of a computer. The Recycle Bin is a picture of a waste basket. Each icon has a small printed label on it which identifies it; the labels are used by screen reader software to identify and to speak the names of the icons as the cursor moves over them. In addition, The Desktop has a horizontal Title Bar at the top. and on the bottom of the screen is another horizontal bar which is called the Taskbar.
The Title Bar is a feature common to all screens in Windows. It lists the title of the program which is currently active and whose menus and
so on are visible on your screen. You can read the Title Bar on your
screen, if you are using a Screen Reader by using the command for this purpose. If you are using Jaws or NVDA, press Insert-T.
At the bottom of the screen is the Taskbar. It is a menu that stretches horizontally across the entire width of the screen. To the far left, is the Start Button. This is used to invoke the Start Menu.
This menu is on a separate screen from the Desktop and contains many of the programs a user activates most frequently. You access this button with the Windows-Key.
To the right of the Start Button, is the Taskbar. This part of the menu shares the same name as does the entire menu, but it is the portion of the screen that shows small picture icons of programs which are currently opened on your computer. You might have email, a spreadsheet and Notepad all open at one time. The programs' icons will be on the taskbar, when the Desktop is on the screen. You can access the Taskbar by pressing Windows-Key-Tab. You can move between the various icons by using your right and left arrow keys. Pressing enter on any of these icons will result in that program being placed in the main window of your computer screen.
Further to the right, is the System Tray. This portion of the Taskbar looks very much like the Taskbar, but here you will find icons which represent programs which are running in the background. These might include your virus checker, Skype, and MSN Messenger. You can access the System Tray by using the mouse or by pressing Insert-F11, if you are using Jaws or NVDA.
Finally, there is a clock in the lower right hand corner of this bottom bar. If you use a screen reader, you can access this clock by pressing
Insert-F12 in Jaws and NVDA. If you are not using a screen reader, clicking on the items in the Taskbar or System Tray will activate them.
Now we come to the main portion of The Desktop. Each person's computer has a different Desktop because each person uses different programs and files. Some of them will be the same: Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, Documents and My Network Places. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. Some programs will be the same on all computers: Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Word. Others may be different files, folders web sites or programs. This is because The Desktop is a List View. This means that you can add, subtract, move, change the name of, any of the items in The Desktop with the exception of the system icons. You can remove them, but it is not wise to do so. All List Views in Windows are like this.
To use The Desktop to find programs and files which you need, you can use the four arrow keys. Or, you can type the first letter of the name of the thing for which you are looking, and it will be selected. Sometimes, you may have to type that same letter several times to reach what you want, but it will eventually be selected so that you can press "enter` on it to activate your choice. Again, by using the mouse, you can click on these icons to activate them. Should you activate one of the icons on the Desktop by accident and find yourself in a program or a file or a folder where you did not intend to go, simply pressing Alt-F4 will close down the window and take you back to the Desktop.
Because The Desktop is , a List View you are able to rename any of the icons on it. It is recommended that you not rename: Documents, Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet Explorer. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. Any other icons can be renamed. To rename an icon in a List View:

1. Place the cursor on the icon to be renamed.
2. Press f2.
3. Type in the new name for the icon.
4. Press "Enter".

It is also possible to delete icons from The Desktop. It is recommended strongly that you do not delete: My Documents, Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet Explorer. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. In order to accomplish this, take the following steps:

1. Select the icon which you want to delete.
2. Press the delete Key.
3. Press the spacebar on the "yes button".
4. Remember that unless you have placed a folder or a file
directly in the folder called Desktop, you will be deleting only a shortcut, a link to a program or a folder or a file. The actual programs, folders or files will still be on your computer.
You can add icons to The Desktop too. This is a more complicated project, so will not be described here in this pamphlet. However, we mention it here because it is one of the things which can be done with all List Views. Icons are added automatically when a new program is installed, or they can be added manually by the user.


Bibliography

The following is a list of sources for books and tutorials. These are designed for the blind or visually impaired,


American Printing House for the Blind: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aph.org%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=TAXM1V%2B%2FeQ7Xnq1RQSKXH8biM4%2FxKmk8PwESPlNLnGg%3D&amp;reserved=0
Phone: (502) 895-2405
Toll-Free Customer Service: (800) 223-1839 (U.S. and Canada)

Access Technology Institute tutorials: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blind.training%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=mord47XzbSgkiW9fL2uogmV08XZKIit%2FTuowb9PP5b4%3D&amp;reserved=0
Phone: (916) 248-4114
Fax: (800) 986-6198

Bookshare: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bookshare.org%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=SyLlId3%2FrG7TEUC45kLXfF1AjjdxlXCbNEtdH1LbMfM%3D&amp;reserved=0
Consult contact link

Freedom Scientific Tutorials:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freedomscientific.com%2Ffs_products%2Ftutorials.asp&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=yrucHZwJggIiidvh71cwH8L2YJjdIK%2FvU%2BHQiMym74I%3D&amp;reserved=0
Phone: (800) 444-4443

Iowa Department for the Blind's Tutorials:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blind.state.ia.us%2Fassist%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=PmHWxVyClaxUXwmsusFCv3vaCa13s%2FZ%2BHNV5T2pIsSk%3D&amp;reserved=0
Phone: (515) 281-1357

Mystic Access Tutorials:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysticaccess.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=q%2BjtgYb%2F9MpUtn9HrEd3Kv03uFIUr7CQWL07WiQu9jw%3D&amp;reserved=0

National Braille Press: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbp.org%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=L5XUZPX7N3wpILil%2BT6bu1TcKVihdm%2Bzi3txSIcgKkc%3D&amp;reserved=0
Phone: (617) 266-6160
Toll-Free: (888) 965-8965

Top Dot Enterprises Tutorials and articles on computers:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.topdotenterprises.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=KpF7PZ7C6PNCfbv4xi%2FSkNfagoXSJAdfZChRKJSgx2c%3D&amp;reserved=0
Phone: (425) 501-3122

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dldbooks.com%2Fannparsons%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=x4rUs5Tu6mNluYpBhOuibxRhKTxYg9ukjyo8TFJNN58%3D&amp;reserved=0
Portal Tutoring web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.portaltutoring.info%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C25b4ec2c1d2c4d1ed03208d8ae517352%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637451012128322926%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=uLbsOr2QzM0JvCVbW2ugJDuX%2F8LPMyfJedjmysMkS8M%3D&amp;reserved=0
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Anyone had experience with the LG Classic 120 Flip Phone?

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

Hi,
I am getting the LG. Classic 120 Flip Phone for my sighted wife who does not like touch screens. She does not need the accessibility functions however This phone does have read out in its accessibility settings. I was wondering how accessible this phone would be to the blind.


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Gene
 

I made an error in the below message. I said your blinds cover. I should have said something like in your blinds offerings. It doesn't change anything substantive, but it was incorrectlhy worded and the word made no sense as used.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 7:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

I read part of the blind. it looks like a good reference and it addresses a
problem I've been aware of for a long time, but I just had it in the back of
my mind off and on and I hadn't thought about to any extent. That is, some
people may not want to spend the money to get a comprehensive Windows
instruction book or tutorial and they may already know enough to do much of
what they want. But they might benefit, perhaps quite a bit, by knowing
material such as your blinds cover. They may know some of it, but in a
disorganized manner and information may be missing.

There is a command that should be in this blind, however. You can move to
the system tray with Windows key b. That is the fastest and probably most
convenient way to move to the system tray.

You may or may not want to add this as well, NVDA doesn't have the system
tray dialog as a part of the screen-reader. You can get an add-on for that
but you neede to access the system tray directly otherwise.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 6:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

The System Tray is part of the Windows Desktop. It contains programs
which are running in the background as opposed to the taskbar where
your currently opened programs are listed. This is basic Windows
training. It may be to your advantage to have Jaws running in The
System Tray. For your convenience I have included a little tutorial
which I wrote some time back. It's part of the Mini Blinds series of
pamphlets which are listed in the Bookstore on my web site. I'm not
sure the Paypal links work, so if you want any more of these, write me
and then I'll give you a link to Paypal so you can pay for the
pamphlets you want.




MINI BLINDS
Help For Learning Windows in a Small Package

By Ann K. Parsons


The Windows Desktop

"I've got all this stuff! I have manuals! I have books! I
have help files! I'm going bonkers here! What do I do? I can't read
all this stuff! I don't know where to start!"

Well, then, try our Mini Blinds pamphlets. They are small.
They are simple, and you only get one small subject per pamphlet. Want
to know something small, something specific, don't want to search
through a whole book, then Mini Blinds is what you want. You want to
cover Windows with Mini Blinds, not drapes, not curtains, but mini
blinds. Here you go, try this on for size and convenience! If you
want drapes or curtains or Venetian blinds, there is a list of
resources for excellent books and tutorials at the end of this
pamphlet. The advantage to ,portal ,tutoring's Mini Blinds is that
once you grasp what's going on here, you can read and understand all
those books and manuals you've got there. So don't throw them out!

Note, these Mini Blinds are written using keyboard commands.
These are commands that can be used by anyone using Windows. If you
don't like the mouse, try keyboard commands. If you use a mouse, you
can just click on the things I discuss here. Otherwise, use your hands
on the keyboard.

The Windows Desktop

The Windows Desktop is the root or center of your computer. It
is from here that everything begins. For the Sighted, the main portion
of The Desktop appears like a bulletin board with many pictures on it.
The pictures are placed in rows and columns. Each picture or icon
represents a link to a program or file. The Computer or This PC icon
is a picture of a computer. The Recycle Bin is a picture of a waste
basket. Each icon has a small printed label on it which identifies it;
the labels are used by screen reader software to identify and to speak
the names of the icons as the cursor moves over them. In addition, The
Desktop has a horizontal Title Bar at the top. and on the bottom of
the screen is another horizontal bar which is called the Taskbar.
The Title Bar is a feature common to all screens in Windows. It lists
the title of the program which is currently active and whose menus and
so on are visible on your screen. You can read the Title Bar on your
screen, if you are using a Screen Reader by using the command for this
purpose. If you are using Jaws or NVDA, press Insert-T.
At the bottom of the screen is the Taskbar. It is a menu that
stretches horizontally across the entire width of the screen. To the
far left, is the Start Button. This is used to invoke the Start Menu.
This menu is on a separate screen from the Desktop and contains many of
the programs a user activates most frequently. You access this button
with the Windows-Key.
To the right of the Start Button, is the Taskbar. This part of
the menu shares the same name as does the entire menu, but it is the
portion of the screen that shows small picture icons of programs which
are currently opened on your computer. You might have email, a
spreadsheet and Notepad all open at one time. The programs' icons will
be on the taskbar, when the Desktop is on the screen. You can access
the Taskbar by pressing Windows-Key-Tab. You can move between the
various icons by using your right and left arrow keys. Pressing enter
on any of these icons will result in that program being placed in the
main window of your computer screen.
Further to the right, is the System Tray. This portion of the Taskbar
looks very much like the Taskbar, but here you will find icons which
represent programs which are running in the background. These might
include your virus checker, Skype, and MSN Messenger. You can access
the System Tray by using the mouse or by pressing Insert-F11, if you
are using Jaws or NVDA.
Finally, there is a clock in the lower right hand corner of this bottom
bar. If you use a screen reader, you can access this clock by pressing
Insert-F12 in Jaws and NVDA. If you are not using a screen reader,
clicking on the items in the Taskbar or System Tray will activate them.
Now we come to the main portion of The Desktop. Each person's computer
has a different Desktop because each person uses different programs and
files. Some of them will be the same: Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin,
Documents and My Network Places. These are the names of the System
Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. Some programs will
be the same on all computers: Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Excel,
Microsoft Word. Others may be different files, folders web sites or
programs. This is because The Desktop is a List View. This means that
you can add, subtract, move, change the name of, any of the items in
The Desktop with the exception of the system icons. You can remove
them, but it is not wise to do so. All List Views in Windows are like this.
To use The Desktop to find programs and files which you need,
you can use the four arrow keys. Or, you can type the first letter of
the name of the thing for which you are looking, and it will be
selected. Sometimes, you may have to type that same letter several
times to reach what you want, but it will eventually be selected so
that you can press "enter` on it to activate your choice. Again, by
using the mouse, you can click on these icons to activate them. Should
you activate one of the icons on the Desktop by accident and find
yourself in a program or a file or a folder where you did not intend
to go, simply pressing Alt-F4 will close down the window and take you
back to the Desktop.
Because The Desktop is , a List View you are able to rename any of the
icons on it. It is recommended that you not rename: Documents,
Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet
Explorer. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or
move these icons at all. Any other icons can be renamed. To rename an
icon in a List View:

1. Place the cursor on the icon to be renamed.
2. Press f2.
3. Type in the new name for the icon.
4. Press "Enter".

It is also possible to delete icons from The Desktop. It is
recommended strongly that you do not delete: My Documents, Computer,
This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet Explorer. These
are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons
at all. In order to accomplish this, take the following steps:

1. Select the icon which you want to delete.
2. Press the delete Key.
3. Press the spacebar on the "yes button".
4. Remember that unless you have placed a folder or a file
directly in the folder called Desktop, you will be deleting only a
shortcut, a link to a program or a folder or a file. The actual
programs, folders or files will still be on your computer.
You can add icons to The Desktop too. This is a more complicated
project, so will not be described here in this pamphlet. However, we
mention it here because it is one of the things which can be done with
all List Views. Icons are added automatically when a new program is
installed, or they can be added manually by the user.


Bibliography

The following is a list of sources for books and tutorials. These are
designed for the blind or visually impaired,


American Printing House for the Blind: http://www.aph.org
Phone: (502) 895-2405
Toll-Free Customer Service: (800) 223-1839 (U.S. and Canada)

Access Technology Institute tutorials: http://www.blind.training/
Phone: (916) 248-4114
Fax: (800) 986-6198

Bookshare: http://www.bookshare.org
Consult contact link

Freedom Scientific Tutorials:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/tutorials.asp
Phone: (800) 444-4443

Iowa Department for the Blind's Tutorials:
http://www.blind.state.ia.us/assist/
Phone: (515) 281-1357

Mystic Access Tutorials:
http://www.mysticaccess.com

National Braille Press: http://www.nbp.org
Phone: (617) 266-6160
Toll-Free: (888) 965-8965

Top Dot Enterprises Tutorials and articles on computers:
http://www.topdotenterprises.com
Phone: (425) 501-3122

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Gene
 

Also, regarding your blinds series, have you done anything to promote them in places like Main Menu, Accessible World or the Tidbits series whose full name I don't remember? The series should be well known and places like Main Menu and Accessible World,
http://www..accessibleworld.org would probably like you to appear in a short interview about it. Tidbits may be interested in describing it in one of their weekly issues.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 6:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

The System Tray is part of the Windows Desktop. It contains programs
which are running in the background as opposed to the taskbar where
your currently opened programs are listed. This is basic Windows
training. It may be to your advantage to have Jaws running in The
System Tray. For your convenience I have included a little tutorial
which I wrote some time back. It's part of the Mini Blinds series of
pamphlets which are listed in the Bookstore on my web site. I'm not
sure the Paypal links work, so if you want any more of these, write me
and then I'll give you a link to Paypal so you can pay for the
pamphlets you want.




MINI BLINDS
Help For Learning Windows in a Small Package

By Ann K. Parsons


The Windows Desktop

"I've got all this stuff! I have manuals! I have books! I
have help files! I'm going bonkers here! What do I do? I can't read
all this stuff! I don't know where to start!"

Well, then, try our Mini Blinds pamphlets. They are small.
They are simple, and you only get one small subject per pamphlet. Want
to know something small, something specific, don't want to search
through a whole book, then Mini Blinds is what you want. You want to
cover Windows with Mini Blinds, not drapes, not curtains, but mini
blinds. Here you go, try this on for size and convenience! If you
want drapes or curtains or Venetian blinds, there is a list of
resources for excellent books and tutorials at the end of this
pamphlet. The advantage to ,portal ,tutoring's Mini Blinds is that
once you grasp what's going on here, you can read and understand all
those books and manuals you've got there. So don't throw them out!

Note, these Mini Blinds are written using keyboard commands.
These are commands that can be used by anyone using Windows. If you
don't like the mouse, try keyboard commands. If you use a mouse, you
can just click on the things I discuss here. Otherwise, use your hands
on the keyboard.

The Windows Desktop

The Windows Desktop is the root or center of your computer. It
is from here that everything begins. For the Sighted, the main portion
of The Desktop appears like a bulletin board with many pictures on it.
The pictures are placed in rows and columns. Each picture or icon
represents a link to a program or file. The Computer or This PC icon
is a picture of a computer. The Recycle Bin is a picture of a waste
basket. Each icon has a small printed label on it which identifies it;
the labels are used by screen reader software to identify and to speak
the names of the icons as the cursor moves over them. In addition, The
Desktop has a horizontal Title Bar at the top. and on the bottom of
the screen is another horizontal bar which is called the Taskbar.
The Title Bar is a feature common to all screens in Windows. It lists
the title of the program which is currently active and whose menus and
so on are visible on your screen. You can read the Title Bar on your
screen, if you are using a Screen Reader by using the command for this
purpose. If you are using Jaws or NVDA, press Insert-T.
At the bottom of the screen is the Taskbar. It is a menu that
stretches horizontally across the entire width of the screen. To the
far left, is the Start Button. This is used to invoke the Start Menu.
This menu is on a separate screen from the Desktop and contains many of
the programs a user activates most frequently. You access this button
with the Windows-Key.
To the right of the Start Button, is the Taskbar. This part of
the menu shares the same name as does the entire menu, but it is the
portion of the screen that shows small picture icons of programs which
are currently opened on your computer. You might have email, a
spreadsheet and Notepad all open at one time. The programs' icons will
be on the taskbar, when the Desktop is on the screen. You can access
the Taskbar by pressing Windows-Key-Tab. You can move between the
various icons by using your right and left arrow keys. Pressing enter
on any of these icons will result in that program being placed in the
main window of your computer screen.
Further to the right, is the System Tray. This portion of the Taskbar
looks very much like the Taskbar, but here you will find icons which
represent programs which are running in the background. These might
include your virus checker, Skype, and MSN Messenger. You can access
the System Tray by using the mouse or by pressing Insert-F11, if you
are using Jaws or NVDA.
Finally, there is a clock in the lower right hand corner of this bottom
bar. If you use a screen reader, you can access this clock by pressing
Insert-F12 in Jaws and NVDA. If you are not using a screen reader,
clicking on the items in the Taskbar or System Tray will activate them.
Now we come to the main portion of The Desktop. Each person's computer
has a different Desktop because each person uses different programs and
files. Some of them will be the same: Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin,
Documents and My Network Places. These are the names of the System
Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. Some programs will
be the same on all computers: Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Excel,
Microsoft Word. Others may be different files, folders web sites or
programs. This is because The Desktop is a List View. This means that
you can add, subtract, move, change the name of, any of the items in
The Desktop with the exception of the system icons. You can remove
them, but it is not wise to do so. All List Views in Windows are like this.
To use The Desktop to find programs and files which you need,
you can use the four arrow keys. Or, you can type the first letter of
the name of the thing for which you are looking, and it will be
selected. Sometimes, you may have to type that same letter several
times to reach what you want, but it will eventually be selected so
that you can press "enter` on it to activate your choice. Again, by
using the mouse, you can click on these icons to activate them. Should
you activate one of the icons on the Desktop by accident and find
yourself in a program or a file or a folder where you did not intend
to go, simply pressing Alt-F4 will close down the window and take you
back to the Desktop.
Because The Desktop is , a List View you are able to rename any of the
icons on it. It is recommended that you not rename: Documents,
Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet
Explorer. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or
move these icons at all. Any other icons can be renamed. To rename an
icon in a List View:

1. Place the cursor on the icon to be renamed.
2. Press f2.
3. Type in the new name for the icon.
4. Press "Enter".

It is also possible to delete icons from The Desktop. It is
recommended strongly that you do not delete: My Documents, Computer,
This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet Explorer. These
are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons
at all. In order to accomplish this, take the following steps:

1. Select the icon which you want to delete.
2. Press the delete Key.
3. Press the spacebar on the "yes button".
4. Remember that unless you have placed a folder or a file
directly in the folder called Desktop, you will be deleting only a
shortcut, a link to a program or a folder or a file. The actual
programs, folders or files will still be on your computer.
You can add icons to The Desktop too. This is a more complicated
project, so will not be described here in this pamphlet. However, we
mention it here because it is one of the things which can be done with
all List Views. Icons are added automatically when a new program is
installed, or they can be added manually by the user.


Bibliography

The following is a list of sources for books and tutorials. These are
designed for the blind or visually impaired,


American Printing House for the Blind: http://www.aph.org
Phone: (502) 895-2405
Toll-Free Customer Service: (800) 223-1839 (U.S. and Canada)

Access Technology Institute tutorials: http://www.blind.training/
Phone: (916) 248-4114
Fax: (800) 986-6198

Bookshare: http://www.bookshare.org
Consult contact link

Freedom Scientific Tutorials:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/tutorials.asp
Phone: (800) 444-4443

Iowa Department for the Blind's Tutorials:
http://www.blind.state.ia.us/assist/
Phone: (515) 281-1357

Mystic Access Tutorials:
http://www.mysticaccess.com

National Braille Press: http://www.nbp.org
Phone: (617) 266-6160
Toll-Free: (888) 965-8965

Top Dot Enterprises Tutorials and articles on computers:
http://www.topdotenterprises.com
Phone: (425) 501-3122

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Gene
 

I'll add these comments that a lot of people may not know.

It is important to know how to use both the system tray dialog and the system tray itself. There are rare instances where something doesn't work when using the system tray or when something else may not work when using the dialog. usually, if something doesn't work using one, it will work when using the other.

Now, a bit of information about how to work with the system tray:
Move through items in the system tray using either first letter navigation or the up and down or right and left arrow keys. I think up and down and left and right both work in the same ways.
What is far less known are the following commands:
When you are on an icon in the system tray, left double click is enter.
Left single click is space bar.
Right click is the context menu key or shift f10.
You may already know these commands in the system tray dialog but didn't know the keyboard commands for those actions when working directly with the system tray. My impression is that these commands are often not covered even in good Windows training material.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 6:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

The System Tray is part of the Windows Desktop. It contains programs
which are running in the background as opposed to the taskbar where
your currently opened programs are listed. This is basic Windows
training. It may be to your advantage to have Jaws running in The
System Tray. For your convenience I have included a little tutorial
which I wrote some time back. It's part of the Mini Blinds series of
pamphlets which are listed in the Bookstore on my web site. I'm not
sure the Paypal links work, so if you want any more of these, write me
and then I'll give you a link to Paypal so you can pay for the
pamphlets you want.




MINI BLINDS
Help For Learning Windows in a Small Package

By Ann K. Parsons


The Windows Desktop

"I've got all this stuff! I have manuals! I have books! I
have help files! I'm going bonkers here! What do I do? I can't read
all this stuff! I don't know where to start!"

Well, then, try our Mini Blinds pamphlets. They are small.
They are simple, and you only get one small subject per pamphlet. Want
to know something small, something specific, don't want to search
through a whole book, then Mini Blinds is what you want. You want to
cover Windows with Mini Blinds, not drapes, not curtains, but mini
blinds. Here you go, try this on for size and convenience! If you
want drapes or curtains or Venetian blinds, there is a list of
resources for excellent books and tutorials at the end of this
pamphlet. The advantage to ,portal ,tutoring's Mini Blinds is that
once you grasp what's going on here, you can read and understand all
those books and manuals you've got there. So don't throw them out!

Note, these Mini Blinds are written using keyboard commands.
These are commands that can be used by anyone using Windows. If you
don't like the mouse, try keyboard commands. If you use a mouse, you
can just click on the things I discuss here. Otherwise, use your hands
on the keyboard.

The Windows Desktop

The Windows Desktop is the root or center of your computer. It
is from here that everything begins. For the Sighted, the main portion
of The Desktop appears like a bulletin board with many pictures on it.
The pictures are placed in rows and columns. Each picture or icon
represents a link to a program or file. The Computer or This PC icon
is a picture of a computer. The Recycle Bin is a picture of a waste
basket. Each icon has a small printed label on it which identifies it;
the labels are used by screen reader software to identify and to speak
the names of the icons as the cursor moves over them. In addition, The
Desktop has a horizontal Title Bar at the top. and on the bottom of
the screen is another horizontal bar which is called the Taskbar.
The Title Bar is a feature common to all screens in Windows. It lists
the title of the program which is currently active and whose menus and
so on are visible on your screen. You can read the Title Bar on your
screen, if you are using a Screen Reader by using the command for this
purpose. If you are using Jaws or NVDA, press Insert-T.
At the bottom of the screen is the Taskbar. It is a menu that
stretches horizontally across the entire width of the screen. To the
far left, is the Start Button. This is used to invoke the Start Menu.
This menu is on a separate screen from the Desktop and contains many of
the programs a user activates most frequently. You access this button
with the Windows-Key.
To the right of the Start Button, is the Taskbar. This part of
the menu shares the same name as does the entire menu, but it is the
portion of the screen that shows small picture icons of programs which
are currently opened on your computer. You might have email, a
spreadsheet and Notepad all open at one time. The programs' icons will
be on the taskbar, when the Desktop is on the screen. You can access
the Taskbar by pressing Windows-Key-Tab. You can move between the
various icons by using your right and left arrow keys. Pressing enter
on any of these icons will result in that program being placed in the
main window of your computer screen.
Further to the right, is the System Tray. This portion of the Taskbar
looks very much like the Taskbar, but here you will find icons which
represent programs which are running in the background. These might
include your virus checker, Skype, and MSN Messenger. You can access
the System Tray by using the mouse or by pressing Insert-F11, if you
are using Jaws or NVDA.
Finally, there is a clock in the lower right hand corner of this bottom
bar. If you use a screen reader, you can access this clock by pressing
Insert-F12 in Jaws and NVDA. If you are not using a screen reader,
clicking on the items in the Taskbar or System Tray will activate them.
Now we come to the main portion of The Desktop. Each person's computer
has a different Desktop because each person uses different programs and
files. Some of them will be the same: Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin,
Documents and My Network Places. These are the names of the System
Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. Some programs will
be the same on all computers: Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Excel,
Microsoft Word. Others may be different files, folders web sites or
programs. This is because The Desktop is a List View. This means that
you can add, subtract, move, change the name of, any of the items in
The Desktop with the exception of the system icons. You can remove
them, but it is not wise to do so. All List Views in Windows are like this.
To use The Desktop to find programs and files which you need,
you can use the four arrow keys. Or, you can type the first letter of
the name of the thing for which you are looking, and it will be
selected. Sometimes, you may have to type that same letter several
times to reach what you want, but it will eventually be selected so
that you can press "enter` on it to activate your choice. Again, by
using the mouse, you can click on these icons to activate them. Should
you activate one of the icons on the Desktop by accident and find
yourself in a program or a file or a folder where you did not intend
to go, simply pressing Alt-F4 will close down the window and take you
back to the Desktop.
Because The Desktop is , a List View you are able to rename any of the
icons on it. It is recommended that you not rename: Documents,
Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet
Explorer. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or
move these icons at all. Any other icons can be renamed. To rename an
icon in a List View:

1. Place the cursor on the icon to be renamed.
2. Press f2.
3. Type in the new name for the icon.
4. Press "Enter".

It is also possible to delete icons from The Desktop. It is
recommended strongly that you do not delete: My Documents, Computer,
This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet Explorer. These
are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons
at all. In order to accomplish this, take the following steps:

1. Select the icon which you want to delete.
2. Press the delete Key.
3. Press the spacebar on the "yes button".
4. Remember that unless you have placed a folder or a file
directly in the folder called Desktop, you will be deleting only a
shortcut, a link to a program or a folder or a file. The actual
programs, folders or files will still be on your computer.
You can add icons to The Desktop too. This is a more complicated
project, so will not be described here in this pamphlet. However, we
mention it here because it is one of the things which can be done with
all List Views. Icons are added automatically when a new program is
installed, or they can be added manually by the user.


Bibliography

The following is a list of sources for books and tutorials. These are
designed for the blind or visually impaired,


American Printing House for the Blind: http://www.aph.org
Phone: (502) 895-2405
Toll-Free Customer Service: (800) 223-1839 (U.S. and Canada)

Access Technology Institute tutorials: http://www.blind.training/
Phone: (916) 248-4114
Fax: (800) 986-6198

Bookshare: http://www.bookshare.org
Consult contact link

Freedom Scientific Tutorials:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/tutorials.asp
Phone: (800) 444-4443

Iowa Department for the Blind's Tutorials:
http://www.blind.state.ia.us/assist/
Phone: (515) 281-1357

Mystic Access Tutorials:
http://www.mysticaccess.com

National Braille Press: http://www.nbp.org
Phone: (617) 266-6160
Toll-Free: (888) 965-8965

Top Dot Enterprises Tutorials and articles on computers:
http://www.topdotenterprises.com
Phone: (425) 501-3122

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: Jaws Help, Please!

Gene
 

I read part of the blind. it looks like a good reference and it addresses a problem I've been aware of for a long time, but I just had it in the back of my mind off and on and I hadn't thought about to any extent. That is, some people may not want to spend the money to get a comprehensive Windows instruction book or tutorial and they may already know enough to do much of what they want. But they might benefit, perhaps quite a bit, by knowing material such as your blinds cover. They may know some of it, but in a disorganized manner and information may be missing.

There is a command that should be in this blind, however. You can move to the system tray with Windows key b. That is the fastest and probably most convenient way to move to the system tray.

You may or may not want to add this as well, NVDA doesn't have the system tray dialog as a part of the screen-reader. You can get an add-on for that but you neede to access the system tray directly otherwise.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2021 6:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws Help, Please!

Hi all,

The System Tray is part of the Windows Desktop. It contains programs
which are running in the background as opposed to the taskbar where
your currently opened programs are listed. This is basic Windows
training. It may be to your advantage to have Jaws running in The
System Tray. For your convenience I have included a little tutorial
which I wrote some time back. It's part of the Mini Blinds series of
pamphlets which are listed in the Bookstore on my web site. I'm not
sure the Paypal links work, so if you want any more of these, write me
and then I'll give you a link to Paypal so you can pay for the
pamphlets you want.




MINI BLINDS
Help For Learning Windows in a Small Package

By Ann K. Parsons


The Windows Desktop

"I've got all this stuff! I have manuals! I have books! I
have help files! I'm going bonkers here! What do I do? I can't read
all this stuff! I don't know where to start!"

Well, then, try our Mini Blinds pamphlets. They are small.
They are simple, and you only get one small subject per pamphlet. Want
to know something small, something specific, don't want to search
through a whole book, then Mini Blinds is what you want. You want to
cover Windows with Mini Blinds, not drapes, not curtains, but mini
blinds. Here you go, try this on for size and convenience! If you
want drapes or curtains or Venetian blinds, there is a list of
resources for excellent books and tutorials at the end of this
pamphlet. The advantage to ,portal ,tutoring's Mini Blinds is that
once you grasp what's going on here, you can read and understand all
those books and manuals you've got there. So don't throw them out!

Note, these Mini Blinds are written using keyboard commands.
These are commands that can be used by anyone using Windows. If you
don't like the mouse, try keyboard commands. If you use a mouse, you
can just click on the things I discuss here. Otherwise, use your hands
on the keyboard.

The Windows Desktop

The Windows Desktop is the root or center of your computer. It
is from here that everything begins. For the Sighted, the main portion
of The Desktop appears like a bulletin board with many pictures on it.
The pictures are placed in rows and columns. Each picture or icon
represents a link to a program or file. The Computer or This PC icon
is a picture of a computer. The Recycle Bin is a picture of a waste
basket. Each icon has a small printed label on it which identifies it;
the labels are used by screen reader software to identify and to speak
the names of the icons as the cursor moves over them. In addition, The
Desktop has a horizontal Title Bar at the top. and on the bottom of
the screen is another horizontal bar which is called the Taskbar.
The Title Bar is a feature common to all screens in Windows. It lists
the title of the program which is currently active and whose menus and
so on are visible on your screen. You can read the Title Bar on your
screen, if you are using a Screen Reader by using the command for this
purpose. If you are using Jaws or NVDA, press Insert-T.
At the bottom of the screen is the Taskbar. It is a menu that
stretches horizontally across the entire width of the screen. To the
far left, is the Start Button. This is used to invoke the Start Menu.
This menu is on a separate screen from the Desktop and contains many of
the programs a user activates most frequently. You access this button
with the Windows-Key.
To the right of the Start Button, is the Taskbar. This part of
the menu shares the same name as does the entire menu, but it is the
portion of the screen that shows small picture icons of programs which
are currently opened on your computer. You might have email, a
spreadsheet and Notepad all open at one time. The programs' icons will
be on the taskbar, when the Desktop is on the screen. You can access
the Taskbar by pressing Windows-Key-Tab. You can move between the
various icons by using your right and left arrow keys. Pressing enter
on any of these icons will result in that program being placed in the
main window of your computer screen.
Further to the right, is the System Tray. This portion of the Taskbar
looks very much like the Taskbar, but here you will find icons which
represent programs which are running in the background. These might
include your virus checker, Skype, and MSN Messenger. You can access
the System Tray by using the mouse or by pressing Insert-F11, if you
are using Jaws or NVDA.
Finally, there is a clock in the lower right hand corner of this bottom
bar. If you use a screen reader, you can access this clock by pressing
Insert-F12 in Jaws and NVDA. If you are not using a screen reader,
clicking on the items in the Taskbar or System Tray will activate them.
Now we come to the main portion of The Desktop. Each person's computer
has a different Desktop because each person uses different programs and
files. Some of them will be the same: Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin,
Documents and My Network Places. These are the names of the System
Icons. Do not change or move these icons at all. Some programs will
be the same on all computers: Microsoft Outlook, Microsoft Excel,
Microsoft Word. Others may be different files, folders web sites or
programs. This is because The Desktop is a List View. This means that
you can add, subtract, move, change the name of, any of the items in
The Desktop with the exception of the system icons. You can remove
them, but it is not wise to do so. All List Views in Windows are like this.
To use The Desktop to find programs and files which you need,
you can use the four arrow keys. Or, you can type the first letter of
the name of the thing for which you are looking, and it will be
selected. Sometimes, you may have to type that same letter several
times to reach what you want, but it will eventually be selected so
that you can press "enter` on it to activate your choice. Again, by
using the mouse, you can click on these icons to activate them. Should
you activate one of the icons on the Desktop by accident and find
yourself in a program or a file or a folder where you did not intend
to go, simply pressing Alt-F4 will close down the window and take you
back to the Desktop.
Because The Desktop is , a List View you are able to rename any of the
icons on it. It is recommended that you not rename: Documents,
Computer, This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet
Explorer. These are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or
move these icons at all. Any other icons can be renamed. To rename an
icon in a List View:

1. Place the cursor on the icon to be renamed.
2. Press f2.
3. Type in the new name for the icon.
4. Press "Enter".

It is also possible to delete icons from The Desktop. It is
recommended strongly that you do not delete: My Documents, Computer,
This PC, Recycle Bin, My Network Places and Internet Explorer. These
are the names of the System Icons. Do not change or move these icons
at all. In order to accomplish this, take the following steps:

1. Select the icon which you want to delete.
2. Press the delete Key.
3. Press the spacebar on the "yes button".
4. Remember that unless you have placed a folder or a file
directly in the folder called Desktop, you will be deleting only a
shortcut, a link to a program or a folder or a file. The actual
programs, folders or files will still be on your computer.
You can add icons to The Desktop too. This is a more complicated
project, so will not be described here in this pamphlet. However, we
mention it here because it is one of the things which can be done with
all List Views. Icons are added automatically when a new program is
installed, or they can be added manually by the user.


Bibliography

The following is a list of sources for books and tutorials. These are
designed for the blind or visually impaired,


American Printing House for the Blind: http://www.aph.org
Phone: (502) 895-2405
Toll-Free Customer Service: (800) 223-1839 (U.S. and Canada)

Access Technology Institute tutorials: http://www.blind.training/
Phone: (916) 248-4114
Fax: (800) 986-6198

Bookshare: http://www.bookshare.org
Consult contact link

Freedom Scientific Tutorials:
http://www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/tutorials.asp
Phone: (800) 444-4443

Iowa Department for the Blind's Tutorials:
http://www.blind.state.ia.us/assist/
Phone: (515) 281-1357

Mystic Access Tutorials:
http://www.mysticaccess.com

National Braille Press: http://www.nbp.org
Phone: (617) 266-6160
Toll-Free: (888) 965-8965

Top Dot Enterprises Tutorials and articles on computers:
http://www.topdotenterprises.com
Phone: (425) 501-3122

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

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