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Re: Windows license will expire soon

Gene
 

It isn't an e-mail. it is a notification. The notification didn't tell the user to do anything that might compromise personal information or endanger the security of the machine. It told the user to open areas on the computer itself. If it were an e-mail and had instructed the user to go to a web site or open an attachment or something that might be dangerous or compromising, that would be different and the e-mail could be deleted with no concern. Microsoft doesn't send such notifications by e-mail.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon



Hi Teresa,



This sounds like a scam to me.

I have never heard of such a thing.

I would delete the email.

Don’t give it another thought.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Arroyo Llosa
Sent: January 3, 2021 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon





Hello all,



First of all, I hope you all had a happy Christmas and new year.



As the subject says, I got a notification saying that my windows license will expire soon, and had two options, go to PC settings or close buttons. When I went to PC settings I there was an activate button and a place to write a key.



I got my laptop some years ago with Windows 8, which I was able to upgrade freely to Windows 8.1.



My issue is, does this kind of license expire? Is there something I could do to avoid it?



Thank you in advance for your advice.



Teresa Arroyo











Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: trouble with Google Chrome, Open Drive & Dropbox

Blaster
 

The way I've been handling it is a little tedious and there may be a
better way of doing it, but after your download is finished, press the
ALT key and tap the letter N key to jump up to the notifications area
and tab over to the close button and then press the enter key. This
will prevent it from popping back up.
Also, adding the extension to indicate when a file is finished
downloading is helpful to keep track of when files are completely
downloaded.

HTH,
Blaster

On 1/3/21, Vicki W <vwherry4@comcast.net> wrote:
Is there a setting to prevent this from happening all of the time? I cleaned

it out, but I couldn't find a way to prevent it from starting over again.

Thanks.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaster" <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] trouble with Google Chrome, Open Drive & Dropbox


Yes, I've had this happen to me too. If you press the CTRL key and
tap the letter J key, it will open your download manager page. Arrow
down the list and remove all of the cued downloads and it will stop
behaving as you described.

HTH,
Blaster


On 1/3/21, Vicki W <vwherry4@comcast.net> wrote:
Good Morning,

For the last several weeks whenever I open up Open Drive or Google or
even
DropBox to download something someone has uploaded, at least 6 save as
windows will open. I can just pick one and the download will work, but
the
windows keep opening and when the download is complete, I need to close
each
of those windows individually. Until I do, a temp file shows up in my
download folder for each one as though it is trying to download what I
just
finished successfully downloading.

Anyone else had this problem and any suggestions to a solution?

Thanks.

Vicki














Re: Report on the accesibility of the LG Clasic 120 Flip Phone

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

PS I thought this phone is better quality than the Schok classic phone that sold for $85 that  was discussed on this list a few days ago.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:09 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] Report on the accesibility of the LG Clasic 120 Flip Phone

I wanted to report on the accessibility of the LG. Classic flip phone from Net10. I was pleasantly surprised on how well read out works.(read out is the screen reader).  You will need sighted help to turn on read out in the Initial setup. After that you can read all menus, settings contact, messages and etc. Manual is not much help with explaining the  accessible settings. Haven't tested Internet browser or typing. But this might be a good phone   for some people who don't need a full smart phone. It can be purchased for $39 or less if you buy a plan with the phone.


Report on the accesibility of the LG Clasic 120 Flip Phone

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 

I wanted to report on the accessibility of the LG. Classic flip phone from Net10. I was pleasantly surprised on how well read out works.(read out is the screen reader).  You will need sighted help to turn on read out in the Initial setup. After that you can read all menus, settings contact, messages and etc. Manual is not much help with explaining the  accessible settings. Haven't tested Internet browser or typing. But this might be a good phone   for some people who don't need a full smart phone. It can be purchased for $39 or less if you buy a plan with the phone.


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Janet
 

Hi Chris,
Yes, I'm surprised someone hasn't done a podcast on setting up a new PC or Laptop using Narrator as well, and I sure whish someone would though. Clearly setting up a new Laptop or PC is an issue, but we just don't know what the issue seems to be. I've had a few people to tell me they have had issue during the setting up process as well, so I am not the only one.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi.

When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.

I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
I hope this information helps.
On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:

Gene,
I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this. I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step! LOL!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
information you wouldn't want others to know. I also don't know if
the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all. I
don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
worked with Narrator before. I will try to use Narrator again when I
pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
computer. I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
may not have been the problem. Whenever I see this question
discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my Router to
enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
connected my iPhone using my network password and security number. My
Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
and I probably need a new one soon. Do you know if I can install Jaws
as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect. The laptop
will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now though,
speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall,
its system Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
discussed here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you
are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
connect your computer to your router by cable. I don't know enough
about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
it. When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
to work with it. I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how
to plug it in though! LOL!
Janet

Peace Be With You.











































Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Janet
 

Nimer,

That is right you don’t know anything about me or my technical skills, but I can asure you I do understand and know how to press the control, windows, enter keys, and that is exactly what I did.  When I turned on Narrator, Narrator would say Narrator on, and then Narrator would say off as it turned completely off, so that is why I am saying Narrator was not any help to me.  I need Narrator to stay on in order to help me.  Why Narrator acted this way, I do not have any idea.  Now, if I turn on Narrator, I would think Narrator would stay on until I turn it off.  So to me, if a program turns on but then turns off, that is not any help to me.  I never said I needed a internet connection to use Narrator either, this is what I am trying to find out, just for the simple fact this doesn’t happen to me again when I pick up my new Laptop.  Although, you say Narrator can help me to set up my internet connection, and I am happy to hear this, but again, Narrator will not stay on long enough to help me do anything, and this is exactly what I keep saying, and exactly why I am asking these questions.  Ok, so if Narrator can be this helpful to me, can someone please just tell me how to get Narrator to completely work without turning on and off, as this is not any help to me, and I don’t think someone really needs a great deal of technical skills to press control, windows, enter.  t

 

Thank you all,

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore. I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing, narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can use narrator to set up that internet connection.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working, and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box, narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although, some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So, again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone already changed some settings on the machine.    

 

Thank you for all this. 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
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>> Peace Be With You.
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Best,

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The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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Re: trouble with Google Chrome, Open Drive & Dropbox

Vicki W
 

Is there a setting to prevent this from happening all of the time? I cleaned it out, but I couldn't find a way to prevent it from starting over again.

Thanks.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "Blaster" <blaster.nil8@gmail.com>
To: <main@techtalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] trouble with Google Chrome, Open Drive & Dropbox


Yes, I've had this happen to me too. If you press the CTRL key and
tap the letter J key, it will open your download manager page. Arrow
down the list and remove all of the cued downloads and it will stop
behaving as you described.

HTH,
Blaster


On 1/3/21, Vicki W <vwherry4@comcast.net> wrote:
Good Morning,

For the last several weeks whenever I open up Open Drive or Google or even
DropBox to download something someone has uploaded, at least 6 save as
windows will open. I can just pick one and the download will work, but the
windows keep opening and when the download is complete, I need to close each
of those windows individually. Until I do, a temp file shows up in my
download folder for each one as though it is trying to download what I just
finished successfully downloading.

Anyone else had this problem and any suggestions to a solution?

Thanks.

Vicki








Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Nimer Jaber
 

I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore. I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing, narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can use narrator to set up that internet connection.


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working, and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box, narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although, some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So, again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone already changed some settings on the machine.    

 

Thank you for all this. 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
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>> Peace Be With You.
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--

Best,

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The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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attachments for security threats.


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http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Janet
 

Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working, and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box, narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although, some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So, again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone already changed some settings on the machine.    

 

Thank you for all this. 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Nimer Jaber
 

The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working, and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box, narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although, some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So, again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone already changed some settings on the machine.    

 

Thank you for all this. 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
>>
>>
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--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.


Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Janet
 

Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although, some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So, again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone already changed some settings on the machine.    

 

Thank you for all this. 

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.


Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

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Re: Windows license will expire soon

Monte Single
 

Hi Teresa,

 

This sounds like  a scam to me.

I have never heard of such a thing.

I would delete the email.

Don’t give it another thought.

 

Cheers,

 

Monte

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Arroyo Llosa
Sent: January 3, 2021 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon

 

Hello all,

 

First of all, I hope you all had a happy Christmas and new year.

 

As the subject says, I got a notification saying that my windows license will expire soon, and had two options, go to PC settings or close buttons. When I went to PC settings I there was an activate button and a place to write a key.

 

I got my laptop some years ago with Windows 8, which I was able to upgrade freely to Windows 8.1.

 

My issue is, does this kind of license expire? Is there something I could do to avoid it?

 

Thank you in advance for your advice.

 

Teresa Arroyo

 

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Nimer Jaber
 

No, you could set it up before 1903. In fact, you could set up Windows XP I believe, for sure Vista simply by turning on Narrator at the setup screen. Of course, Narrator wasn't great then, but it has come a long way since.


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:46 PM chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:

Thank you.

Also, wasn’t 1903 the first version of windows 10 that allowed complete set-up without sighted assistance?

 

Chris Judge

JAWS Certified, 2020

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.


Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

 

Thank you, and have a great day!



--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats.

Registered Linux User 529141.
http://counter.li.org/

To find out about a free, open-source, and versatile screen reader for Windows, visit nvaccess.org

You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (393-4481) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly.

Thank you, and have a great day!


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Janet
 

Hi Chris,
Did you have Narrator turned on? If not, how did you know what the Dell was asking you?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

When I set up my XPS I was offered the updates right away.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

You may need to install some updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to need
something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though. Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

Peace Be With You.


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

Thank you.

Also, wasn’t 1903 the first version of windows 10 that allowed complete set-up without sighted assistance?

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

When I set up my XPS I was offered the updates right away.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

You may need to install some updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to need
something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though. Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

Peace Be With You.


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

I believe once narrator is running the next screen will show your available networks. It’s been a while since I’ve set one up so can’t remember for sure, but I was able to do everything with only my cats for guidance, and they sure weren’t much help. Smile.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 3, 2021 3:51 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

Hello Joyce,

 

I cannot tell you why this was the case for you, but I can assure everyone that, in most cases, you will not encounter any difficulties whatsoever launching Narrator, even at the setup screen, before WiFi. Narrator does not need network access to run.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 10:59 AM Joyce Feinberg <joycefeinberg@...> wrote:

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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--

Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
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attachments for security threats.


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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Nimer Jaber
 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

Yeah, OfficeMax would, and I would get them to do mine next
time. It would have cost me $80 back in 2015.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the
store from which you purchase the computer from would have
someone do it but I don't know just what you are asked and
if you need to provide information you wouldn't want others
to know. I also don't know if the store would charge to do
it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I
did, but everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely
turn right back off, and so that is why I say Narrator was
no help to me at all. I don't have any idea why Narrator
was like that though, as I have never worked with Narrator
before. I will try to use Narrator again when I pick up my
Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there
for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first
run a new
computer. I doubt you can install anything until you go
through it. We
don't know why you had the problems you had before, but
Narrator may not
have been the problem. Whenever I see this question
discussed, those who
describe what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my
Router to enter it,
matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
probably connect
the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I connected my
iPhone using my
network password and security number. My Modem and Router
is so old, and
out dated as I've had it since 2009, and I probably need a
new one soon. Do
you know if I can install Jaws as I turn on the Laptop, or
do I need to use
Narrator? Last week when I tried to work with the other
Laptop, Narrator
wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will
have to enter
information on your laptop to allow it to connect. The
laptop will see your
router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your
security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now
though, speaking
about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
Router, but I do
know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do have
WI-FI connections
with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I
need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new
Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all
you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I
recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware
Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely
to need
something else unless you want to use something like
Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has
been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you
are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to
work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer
to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your
computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up
here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T
does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my
Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to
set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to
plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

Peace Be With You.


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

I've used mine five and a half years with the virus fighter
that is with it, and also have not had to run defrag.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 6:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Windows 10 comes with its own antivirus and security
software.
I've been using this win10 machine for about a year. I
have not set up any antivirus or security. I just use what
came with windows; You can probably set times for scans and
such.
I just let windows do its thing and that's fine with me.
Unless you know what you are doing, setting up third party
security software may lead to confusion and problems.
Others will have different opinions.
I am reporting what is working for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Janet
Sent: January 2, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io' <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my
Laptop, what might be left that I would need to do? I know I
will need to set up an email program, install my screen
reader, set up security though. Just so I know what to
expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it
in though! LOL!
Janet

Peace Be With You.

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