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Re: Question about iPads

Joe Orozco
 

I think it depends on what you want the device to do. If you're
primarily consuming content, I see no difference between the iPad and
iPhone. I would say it would be better use of your money to invest in
one of the iPhone pro models for better battery life and singularity
of one device versus two. If you're thinking about producing content,
an iPad would kind of make sense, but consider getting a physical
keyboard to pair with it. I only say "kind of" because I still think a
full laptop, or even one of the smaller ultrabooks, still provides
better document editing functionality, audio editing, etc. But, this
is only one guy's opinion.

Joe

On 1/4/21, Fawaz Abdul rahman <fawaz.ar94@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, not much to be honest but I love the iPad, the speaker, battery, and the
whole feel of it. I love the iPad in general.

There are some features such as split window and stuff, but I don’t think
there are major things you can do on iPad which you cannot on the iPhone.

If you are going to get an iPad, get the new air or a pro. I recommend the
new air, since it is cheaper and provides similar experience to the pro.

Mainly the 4 speakers 😊

And the light weight.

Good luck.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 6:16 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question about iPads



Hi,



I'm thinking of the possibility of getting myself an iPad.  I'm curious, are
there a lot of things we can do with an iPad that we can't on an iPhone?  I
understand there's Swift Playground, but are there other major apps and
features too?



Thanks,





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Re: Windows license will expire soon

Loy <loyrg2845@...>
 


Is it asking you to click on a link to fix the problem?  I have had a similar pop up when I've mistype URL and a pop up pops up saying I have a virus and wants me to contact Microsoft. Microsoft does not send pop messages. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon

Hello Dave, the travel is the message is a pop-up notification, which appears every now and then oh should I say very frequently in one session.


On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 4:29 pm Dave Mitchel, <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
this sure sounds like a scam to me. I have never had a windows license expire.
delete that message ASAP.
Dave
 
From: Teresa Arroyo Llosa
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon
 

Hello all,

 

First of all, I hope you all had a happy Christmas and new year.

 

As the subject says, I got a notification saying that my windows license will expire soon, and had two options, go to PC settings or close buttons. When I went to PC settings I there was an activate button and a place to write a key.

 

I got my laptop some years ago with Windows 8, which I was able to upgrade freely to Windows 8.1.

 

My issue is, does this kind of license expire? Is there something I could do to avoid it?

 

Thank you in advance for your advice.

 

Teresa Arroyo


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Windows license will expire soon

Teresa Arroyo Llosa
 

Hello Dave, the travel is the message is a pop-up notification, which appears every now and then oh should I say very frequently in one session.


On Sun, 3 Jan 2021, 4:29 pm Dave Mitchel, <dbmitchel@...> wrote:
this sure sounds like a scam to me. I have never had a windows license expire.
delete that message ASAP.
Dave
 
From: Teresa Arroyo Llosa
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 11:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon
 

Hello all,

 

First of all, I hope you all had a happy Christmas and new year.

 

As the subject says, I got a notification saying that my windows license will expire soon, and had two options, go to PC settings or close buttons. When I went to PC settings I there was an activate button and a place to write a key.

 

I got my laptop some years ago with Windows 8, which I was able to upgrade freely to Windows 8.1.

 

My issue is, does this kind of license expire? Is there something I could do to avoid it?

 

Thank you in advance for your advice.

 

Teresa Arroyo


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Carolyn Arnold
 

So, Control+Windows+Enter opens Narrator, but what closes
it?

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Pam,
I don't know very much about Narrator, but I did know where
the control, windows enter keys were, and that was all I
needyh to just turn on Narrator, just so I could get through
the rest of the set up, and then I wanted to install JAWS.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 9:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Do you actually know how to use narrator? That may be the
problem. I tried, a long time ago, to use it, but I have
not got a clue about it. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 7:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Gene,
I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my
Network information for me, and they said I need to be home
by my Wi-Fi in order to do this. I just might try to turn
on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or
not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my
next step!
LOL!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the
store from which you purchase the computer from would have
someone do it but I don't know just what you are asked and
if you need to provide information you wouldn't want others
to know. I also don't know if the store would charge to do
it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I
did, but everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely
turn right back off, and so that is why I say Narrator was
no help to me at all. I don't have any idea why Narrator
was like that though, as I have never worked with Narrator
before. I will try to use Narrator again when I pick up my
Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there
for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first
run a new computer. I doubt you can install anything until
you go through it. We don't know why you had the problems
you had before, but Narrator may not have been the problem.
Whenever I see this question discussed, those who describe
what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my
Router to enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally
thought about it, I can probably connect the Laptop to my
Wi-FI just like I do when I connected my iPhone using my
network password and security number. My Modem and Router
is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009, and I
probably need a new one soon. Do you know if I can install
Jaws as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator?
Last week when I tried to work with the other Laptop,
Narrator wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will
have to enter information on your laptop to allow it to
connect. The laptop will see your router but when you tell
it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now
though, speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to
my modem and Router, but I do know or so I've been told by
ATT back in 2009, I do have WI-FI connections with this
Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new
Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question
Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all
you want to do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with
Windows. As I recall, its system Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware
Bytes but System Defender is a highly rated program and you
will be unlikely to need something else unless you want to
use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has
been discussed here when you first use the computer. Aside
from what you are discussing, the only thing I can think of
is to set up your computer to work with your WIFI, unless at
home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your
computer to work with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had
my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop to
work with it. I think AT&T does that for customers when a
router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my
Laptop, what might be left that I would need to do? I know I
will need to set up an email program, install my screen
reader, set up security though. Just so I know what to
expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it
in though! LOL!
Janet

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Re: Report on the accesibility of the LG Clasic 120 Flip Phone

Carolyn Arnold
 

You know, Janet, I do not miss my old flip phones, which, I
guess could be why I replaced them. They never had enough
battery life and tended to be clumsy, compared to the
iPhone, once I really started to use it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Report on the accesibility of the LG
Clasic 120 Flip Phone

Hi All,
Wow, talking about a flip phone makes me smile! I had a
flip phone for so long until I bought my iPhone. I have to
admit, I do sometimes really just miss my old flip phones
though.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Report on the accesibility of the LG
Clasic 120 Flip Phone

Read Out is pretty good, especially with texsting. I had an
LG Revere that had it. I am glad to hear that Net Ten now
has an accessible flip phone to offer at a good price. I was
very happy with Net Ten, when I had them.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 7:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Report on the accesibility of the LG
Clasic 120 Flip Phone

I wanted to report on the accessibility of the LG. Classic
flip phone from Net10. I was pleasantly surprised on how
well read out works.(read out is the screen reader). You
will need sighted help to turn on read out in the Initial
setup. After that you can read all menus, settings contact,
messages and etc. Manual is not much help with explaining
the accessible settings. Haven't tested Internet browser or
typing. But this might be a good phone for some people who
don't need a full smart phone. It can be purchased for $39
or less if you buy a plan with the phone.


Re: Question about iPads

Fawaz Abdul rahman
 

Hi, not much to be honest but I love the iPad, the speaker, battery, and the whole feel of it. I love the iPad in general.

There are some features such as split window and stuff, but I don’t think there are major things you can do on iPad which you cannot on the iPhone.

If you are going to get an iPad, get the new air or a pro. I recommend the new air, since it is cheaper and provides similar experience to the pro.

Mainly the 4 speakers 😊

And the light weight.

Good luck.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sharon Hooley
Sent: Monday, January 4, 2021 6:16 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Question about iPads

 

Hi,

 

I'm thinking of the possibility of getting myself an iPad.  I'm curious, are there a lot of things we can do with an iPad that we can't on an iPhone?  I understand there's Swift Playground, but are there other major apps and features too?

 

Thanks,

 

 

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Question about iPads

Sharon Hooley
 

Hi,

I'm thinking of the possibility of getting myself an iPad. I'm curious, are there a lot of things we can do with an iPad that we can't on an iPhone? I understand there's Swift Playground, but are there other major apps and features too?

Thanks,


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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Lenron
 

Narrator works fine with the touch screen. Also I have setup quite a
few computers and have done clean installs of windows just fine with
narrator.

On 1/4/21, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com> wrote:
I can’t speak for narrator, but I do know jaws has touch screen support. I
have a touch screen on my dell inspiron 5558 laptop but I turned it off.



Chris Judge

<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
S
Sent: January 4, 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Hi, I recently bought a Del laptop and was able to turn on Narrator as soon
as I turned it on. With narrator I was able to set up the whole computer
including connecting to my wireless.



I haven’t tried my touch screen with Narrator or Jaws I am happy using the
keyboard. However, I can see the touch screen come in handy when I need
sighted help because they normally hate the mouse touch pad.



Bye for now.

From Shaz.

Canberra, Australia.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
chris judge
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



That would be awesome. Save me the hassle of buying a new lap top, setting
up, then returning it again as I have no use for another computer right
now.



Chris Judge

<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Certification>



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
<main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 4, 2021 12:34 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



The BlindTechGuys may do an episode on setting up Windows 10, so be tuned
for that, I'll post an update on when that happens, although you can always
subscribe to the BTG mailing list at
blindtechguys+subscribe@googlegroups.com
<mailto:blindtechguys%2Bsubscribe@googlegroups.com> for more updates.
Nonetheless, Narrator does work with touch screens, and I would bet that
your new machine will work out just fine with Narrator, but you'll have to
let us know.



On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:54 PM Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com
<mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com> > wrote:

Nimer,

I wasn’t blaming Narrator, but all I could say was Narrator didn’t stay on
long enough for me to do anything, and why that was I don’t have any idea,
and I couldn’t see anything on the screen, so I don’t know what else I can
say. I don’t know if Narrator works with touch screens either, and that
Laptop was a touch screen, but like I said I just don’t know. I did make
for sure the volume was turned up, I did make sure the speakers were turned
on. I didn’t ever say Narrator couldn’t work without an internet connection
though. I think another list member said Narrator wouldn’t work for them
either until they had internet connection, so I just think the other list
member was just expressing their experience with Narrator, and how they
solved it, and trying to be helpful to me. As far as that Laptop, I did
take it back. Although I did buy another one, and will pick it up Tuesday.
I will also turn on Narrator to see if Narrator will stay on, and I will
tell Best Buy the experience I had in hopes they might be able to shed some
light on this.

I sure wish someone would create a Podcast on setting up Windows Ten using
Narrator.



Thank you for all your help though.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On Behalf
Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Janet,



You and others were blaming Narrator as the cause of this, making statements
like Narrator doesn't work without Internet access. I and others have stated
that this is not the case. I did not have a clear understanding of what was
going on until a couple of messages ago in this thread. Knowing what I know
now, I would say that it is likely that the install of Windows probably did
not go over very well, and that if it was me, I would probably end up
returning that machine at that point, because I would wonder what other
problems would come up as a result of this. Of course, you could choose to
tinker, get sighted assistance, and maybe, down the road, things would end
up working fine. You could also use a USB drive and do a reinstall of
Windows. But it's difficult to know in this situation what the issue is, as
I have never encountered it, and I have not seen anyone else encountering
this issue on the Win10 list or anywhere else. The people that say they are
having difficulties with setup often do so because they don't know how to
use Narrator, aren't used to the way it works, didn't wait long enough for
the computer to get to the setup screen, waited too long and the computer
went to sleep, had issues with volume using the external speakers and didn't
have headphones or another audio source to try, etc.



I am just making it clear, as the world is so full of misinformation on so
many things these days, that Narrator is not the cause of your problem,
Narrator does work without Internet, Narrator guides many people through
full installs of Windows let alone setups of manufacturer computers, and
telling people that this can't be done places yet another artificial
limitation on blind people which simply does not exist.



On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:14 PM Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com
<mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com> > wrote:

Gene,
I know that is not expected behavior for Narrator even though I never worked
with Narrator, but I just don't know what the problem was. Sometime with
all this tech, there is no rhyme or reason is to why something is happening,
and it doesn't help with me being blind either, I just wanted to ask the
list to see if I would get any explanations so if I run in to this again, I
would know what to do. Even though, I didn't really get any answers is to
why this happened, I don't plan on using Narrator as my screen reader
anyways.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On Behalf
Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't think anyone can tell you why Narrator turned off by itself on that

computer. That is not expected behavior as is evident from the other
comments from users. Therefore, my guess is that that machine either had a

problem with the Windows installation that caused that behavior or that
something was put on it by the manufacturer that interfered with Narrator
running at the setup screen. We also don't know if the problem would have
continued after you got Windows set up. It is likely that you won't have
any problem with Narrator on the machine you are buying. It soundes to me
as though you are going to ask Best Buy to do the initial setup. After
that, you can see if Narrator stays on at the store.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Nimer,

That is right you don’t know anything about me or my technical skills, but I

can asure you I do understand and know how to press the control, windows,
enter keys, and that is exactly what I did. When I turned on Narrator,
Narrator would say Narrator on, and then Narrator would say off as it turned

completely off, so that is why I am saying Narrator was not any help to me.

I need Narrator to stay on in order to help me. Why Narrator acted this
way, I do not have any idea. Now, if I turn on Narrator, I would think
Narrator would stay on until I turn it off. So to me, if a program turns on

but then turns off, that is not any help to me. I never said I needed a
internet connection to use Narrator either, this is what I am trying to find

out, just for the simple fact this doesn’t happen to me again when I pick up

my new Laptop. Although, you say Narrator can help me to set up my internet

connection, and I am happy to hear this, but again, Narrator will not stay
on long enough to help me do anything, and this is exactly what I keep
saying, and exactly why I am asking these questions. Ok, so if Narrator can

be this helpful to me, can someone please just tell me how to get Narrator
to completely work without turning on and off, as this is not any help to
me, and I don’t think someone really needs a great deal of technical skills

to press control, windows, enter. t



Thank you all,

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On Behalf
Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you
said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would
say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know

how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have
lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully
booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the
problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard
narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or
narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore.

I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator

does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I

have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an
internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through
setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing,
narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can
use narrator to set up that internet connection.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com
<mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com> > wrote:



Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by
pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On Behalf
Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working,

and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use
narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a

machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box,

narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is
the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com
<mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com> > wrote:



Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then

Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me. I pressed the

Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and

Narrator off. I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get

Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t. As you said
maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I
have no speech, I have no way of knowing that. Narrator did not
automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though. Although,
some woman’s voice came on but went off. Now that Laptop was strait out of

the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So,
again, I would need a sighted person to do that. I’m beginning to think it

all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone

already changed some settings on the machine.



Thank you for all this.



Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
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Of
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help
on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on.

As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn

on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on
Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore
necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got

you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your
laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so

on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but

let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator
will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no
update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes

for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at
the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this

is misinformation and simply isn't true.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com
<mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com> > wrote:



Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense. People kept telling me

to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.
What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up
Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking. I

also think this is a learning experience for all of us. Now I know what to

tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me
as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I
don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything
about Narrator,as I've never used it either.
Thank you so much again.

Janet

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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On Behalf
Of
Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the
household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to
activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start

up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they

both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which

seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped

you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address.

Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the
desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and
Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365
which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should
allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I

did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on

the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate
narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the

screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest

windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I
currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist
you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not
accessible with narrator.
On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@gmail.com
<mailto:chrisjudge1967@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi.

When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up

without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity.

I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began,

or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning.

I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to

the internet and I don't think that is the case.

I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going
through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering
picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up,

but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work

tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
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<main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of
Joyce
Feinberg
Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io <mailto:main@techtalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps
because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet.

See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an
Internet connection.
Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader

you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating
system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months,

I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
I hope this information helps.
On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com
<mailto:janet.harvard@outlook.com> > wrote:

Gene,
I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network
information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order

to do this. I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy
to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know
what is my next step! LOL!

Janet

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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
information you wouldn't want others to know. I also don't know if
the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn
off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all. I
don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
worked with Narrator before. I will try to use Narrator again when I
pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be

able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
computer. I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
may not have been the problem. Whenever I see this question
discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my Router to
enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
connected my iPhone using my network password and security number. My
Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
and I probably need a new one soon. Do you know if I can install Jaws
as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect. The laptop
will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for
your security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now though,
speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering

will I need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

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[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> ] On
Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall,
its system Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare
Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
discussed here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you
are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
connect your computer to your router by cable. I don't know enough
about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
it. When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
to work with it. I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is
connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> '
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how
to plug it in though! LOL!
Janet

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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

I can’t speak for narrator, but I do know jaws has touch screen support. I have a touch screen on my dell inspiron 5558 laptop but I turned it off.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon S
Sent: January 4, 2021 4:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

Hi, I recently bought a Del laptop and was able to turn on Narrator as soon as I turned it on. With narrator I was able to set up the whole computer including connecting to my wireless.

 

I haven’t tried my touch screen with Narrator or Jaws I am happy using the keyboard. However, I can see the touch screen come in handy when I need sighted help because they normally hate the mouse touch pad.

 

Bye for now.

From Shaz.

Canberra, Australia.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

That would be awesome. Save me the hassle of buying a new lap top, setting up, then returning it again as I have no use for another computer right now.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 4, 2021 12:34 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

The BlindTechGuys may do an episode on setting up Windows 10, so be tuned for that, I'll post an update on when that happens, although you can always subscribe to the BTG mailing list at blindtechguys+subscribe@... for more updates. Nonetheless, Narrator does work with touch screens, and I would bet that your new machine will work out just fine with Narrator, but you'll have to let us know.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:54 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Nimer,

I wasn’t blaming Narrator, but all I could say was Narrator didn’t stay on long enough for me to do anything, and why that was I don’t have any idea, and I couldn’t see anything on the screen, so I don’t know what else I can say.  I don’t know if Narrator works with touch screens either, and that Laptop was a touch screen, but like I said I just don’t know.  I did make for sure the volume was turned up, I did make sure the speakers were turned on.  I didn’t ever say Narrator couldn’t work without an internet connection though.  I think another list member said Narrator wouldn’t work for them either until they had internet connection, so I just think the other list member was just expressing their experience with Narrator, and how they solved it, and trying to be helpful to me.  As far as that Laptop, I did take it back.  Although I did buy another one, and will pick it up Tuesday.  I will also turn on Narrator to see if Narrator will stay on, and I will tell Best Buy the experience I had in hopes they might be able to shed some light on this. 

I sure wish someone would create a Podcast on setting up Windows Ten using Narrator. 

 

Thank you for all your help though. 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

Janet,

 

You and others were blaming Narrator as the cause of this, making statements like Narrator doesn't work without Internet access. I and others have stated that this is not the case. I did not have a clear understanding of what was going on until a couple of messages ago in this thread. Knowing what I know now, I would say that it is likely that the install of Windows probably did not go over very well, and that if it was me, I would probably end up returning that machine at that point, because I would wonder what other problems would come up as a result of this. Of course, you could choose to tinker, get sighted assistance, and maybe, down the road, things would end up working fine. You could also use a USB drive and do a reinstall of Windows. But it's difficult to know in this situation what the issue is, as I have never encountered it, and I have not seen anyone else encountering this issue on the Win10 list or anywhere else. The people that say they are having difficulties with setup often do so because they don't know how to use Narrator, aren't used to the way it works, didn't wait long enough for the computer to get to the setup screen, waited too long and the computer went to sleep, had issues with volume using the external speakers and didn't have headphones or another audio source to try, etc.

 

I am just making it clear, as the world is so full of misinformation on so many things these days, that Narrator is not the cause of your problem, Narrator does work without Internet, Narrator guides many people through full installs of Windows let alone setups of manufacturer computers, and telling people that this can't be done places yet another artificial limitation on blind people which simply does not exist.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:14 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Gene,
I know that is not expected behavior for Narrator even though I never worked with Narrator, but I just don't know what the problem was.  Sometime with all this tech, there is no rhyme or reason is to why something is happening, and it doesn't help with me being blind either, I just wanted to ask the list to see if I would get any explanations so if I run in to this again, I would know what to do.  Even though, I didn't really get any answers is to why this happened, I don't plan on using Narrator as my screen reader anyways. 

Janet   

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't think anyone can tell you why Narrator turned off by itself on that
computer.  That is not expected behavior as is evident from the other
comments from users.  Therefore, my guess is that that machine either had a
problem with the Windows installation that caused that behavior or that
something was put on it by the manufacturer that interfered with Narrator
running at the setup screen.  We also don't know if the problem would have
continued after you got Windows set up.  It is likely that you won't have
any problem with Narrator on the machine you are buying.  It soundes to me
as though you are going to ask Best Buy to do the initial setup.  After
that, you can see if Narrator stays on at the store.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Nimer,

That is right you don’t know anything about me or my technical skills, but I
can asure you I do understand and know how to press the control, windows,
enter keys, and that is exactly what I did.  When I turned on Narrator,
Narrator would say Narrator on, and then Narrator would say off as it turned
completely off, so that is why I am saying Narrator was not any help to me.
I need Narrator to stay on in order to help me.  Why Narrator acted this
way, I do not have any idea.  Now, if I turn on Narrator, I would think
Narrator would stay on until I turn it off.  So to me, if a program turns on
but then turns off, that is not any help to me.  I never said I needed a
internet connection to use Narrator either, this is what I am trying to find
out, just for the simple fact this doesn’t happen to me again when I pick up
my new Laptop.  Although, you say Narrator can help me to set up my internet
connection, and I am happy to hear this, but again, Narrator will not stay
on long enough to help me do anything, and this is exactly what I keep
saying, and exactly why I am asking these questions.  Ok, so if Narrator can
be this helpful to me, can someone please just tell me how to get Narrator
to completely work without turning on and off, as this is not any help to
me, and I don’t think someone really needs a great deal of technical skills
to press control, windows, enter.  t



Thank you all,

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you
said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would
say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know
how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have
lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully
booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the
problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard
narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or
narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore.
I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator
does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I
have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an
internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through
setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing,
narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can
use narrator to set up that internet connection.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by
pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working,
and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use
narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a
machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box,
narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is
the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then
Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the
Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and
Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get
Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said
maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I
have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not
automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although,
some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of
the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So,
again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it
all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone
already changed some settings on the machine.



Thank you for all this.



Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help
on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on.
As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn
on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on
Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore
necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got
you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your
laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so
on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but
let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator
will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no
update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes
for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at
the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this
is misinformation and simply isn't true.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me
to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.
What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up
Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I
also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to
tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me
as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I
don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything
about Narrator,as I've never used it either.
Thank you so much again.

Janet

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Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the
household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to
activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start
up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they
both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which
seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped
you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address.
Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the
desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and
Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365
which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should
allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I
did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on
the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate
narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the
screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest
windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I
currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist
you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not
accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up
> without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity.
> I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began,
> or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning.
> I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to
> the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going
> through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering
> picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up,
> but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work
> tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce
> Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps
> because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet.
> See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an
> Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader
> you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating
> system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months,
> I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
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>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network
>> information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order
>> to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy
>> to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know
>> what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn
>> off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be
>> able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for
>> your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering
>> will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is
>> connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Sharon S
 

Hi, I recently bought a Del laptop and was able to turn on Narrator as soon as I turned it on. With narrator I was able to set up the whole computer including connecting to my wireless.

 

I haven’t tried my touch screen with Narrator or Jaws I am happy using the keyboard. However, I can see the touch screen come in handy when I need sighted help because they normally hate the mouse touch pad.

 

Bye for now.

From Shaz.

Canberra, Australia.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 6:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

That would be awesome. Save me the hassle of buying a new lap top, setting up, then returning it again as I have no use for another computer right now.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 4, 2021 12:34 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

The BlindTechGuys may do an episode on setting up Windows 10, so be tuned for that, I'll post an update on when that happens, although you can always subscribe to the BTG mailing list at blindtechguys+subscribe@... for more updates. Nonetheless, Narrator does work with touch screens, and I would bet that your new machine will work out just fine with Narrator, but you'll have to let us know.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:54 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Nimer,

I wasn’t blaming Narrator, but all I could say was Narrator didn’t stay on long enough for me to do anything, and why that was I don’t have any idea, and I couldn’t see anything on the screen, so I don’t know what else I can say.  I don’t know if Narrator works with touch screens either, and that Laptop was a touch screen, but like I said I just don’t know.  I did make for sure the volume was turned up, I did make sure the speakers were turned on.  I didn’t ever say Narrator couldn’t work without an internet connection though.  I think another list member said Narrator wouldn’t work for them either until they had internet connection, so I just think the other list member was just expressing their experience with Narrator, and how they solved it, and trying to be helpful to me.  As far as that Laptop, I did take it back.  Although I did buy another one, and will pick it up Tuesday.  I will also turn on Narrator to see if Narrator will stay on, and I will tell Best Buy the experience I had in hopes they might be able to shed some light on this. 

I sure wish someone would create a Podcast on setting up Windows Ten using Narrator. 

 

Thank you for all your help though. 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

Janet,

 

You and others were blaming Narrator as the cause of this, making statements like Narrator doesn't work without Internet access. I and others have stated that this is not the case. I did not have a clear understanding of what was going on until a couple of messages ago in this thread. Knowing what I know now, I would say that it is likely that the install of Windows probably did not go over very well, and that if it was me, I would probably end up returning that machine at that point, because I would wonder what other problems would come up as a result of this. Of course, you could choose to tinker, get sighted assistance, and maybe, down the road, things would end up working fine. You could also use a USB drive and do a reinstall of Windows. But it's difficult to know in this situation what the issue is, as I have never encountered it, and I have not seen anyone else encountering this issue on the Win10 list or anywhere else. The people that say they are having difficulties with setup often do so because they don't know how to use Narrator, aren't used to the way it works, didn't wait long enough for the computer to get to the setup screen, waited too long and the computer went to sleep, had issues with volume using the external speakers and didn't have headphones or another audio source to try, etc.

 

I am just making it clear, as the world is so full of misinformation on so many things these days, that Narrator is not the cause of your problem, Narrator does work without Internet, Narrator guides many people through full installs of Windows let alone setups of manufacturer computers, and telling people that this can't be done places yet another artificial limitation on blind people which simply does not exist.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:14 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Gene,
I know that is not expected behavior for Narrator even though I never worked with Narrator, but I just don't know what the problem was.  Sometime with all this tech, there is no rhyme or reason is to why something is happening, and it doesn't help with me being blind either, I just wanted to ask the list to see if I would get any explanations so if I run in to this again, I would know what to do.  Even though, I didn't really get any answers is to why this happened, I don't plan on using Narrator as my screen reader anyways. 

Janet   

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't think anyone can tell you why Narrator turned off by itself on that
computer.  That is not expected behavior as is evident from the other
comments from users.  Therefore, my guess is that that machine either had a
problem with the Windows installation that caused that behavior or that
something was put on it by the manufacturer that interfered with Narrator
running at the setup screen.  We also don't know if the problem would have
continued after you got Windows set up.  It is likely that you won't have
any problem with Narrator on the machine you are buying.  It soundes to me
as though you are going to ask Best Buy to do the initial setup.  After
that, you can see if Narrator stays on at the store.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Nimer,

That is right you don’t know anything about me or my technical skills, but I
can asure you I do understand and know how to press the control, windows,
enter keys, and that is exactly what I did.  When I turned on Narrator,
Narrator would say Narrator on, and then Narrator would say off as it turned
completely off, so that is why I am saying Narrator was not any help to me.
I need Narrator to stay on in order to help me.  Why Narrator acted this
way, I do not have any idea.  Now, if I turn on Narrator, I would think
Narrator would stay on until I turn it off.  So to me, if a program turns on
but then turns off, that is not any help to me.  I never said I needed a
internet connection to use Narrator either, this is what I am trying to find
out, just for the simple fact this doesn’t happen to me again when I pick up
my new Laptop.  Although, you say Narrator can help me to set up my internet
connection, and I am happy to hear this, but again, Narrator will not stay
on long enough to help me do anything, and this is exactly what I keep
saying, and exactly why I am asking these questions.  Ok, so if Narrator can
be this helpful to me, can someone please just tell me how to get Narrator
to completely work without turning on and off, as this is not any help to
me, and I don’t think someone really needs a great deal of technical skills
to press control, windows, enter.  t



Thank you all,

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you
said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would
say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know
how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have
lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully
booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the
problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard
narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or
narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore.
I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator
does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I
have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an
internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through
setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing,
narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can
use narrator to set up that internet connection.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by
pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working,
and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use
narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a
machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box,
narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is
the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then
Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the
Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and
Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get
Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said
maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I
have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not
automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although,
some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of
the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So,
again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it
all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone
already changed some settings on the machine.



Thank you for all this.



Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help
on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on.
As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn
on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on
Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore
necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got
you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your
laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so
on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but
let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator
will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no
update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes
for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at
the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this
is misinformation and simply isn't true.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me
to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.
What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up
Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I
also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to
tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me
as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I
don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything
about Narrator,as I've never used it either.
Thank you so much again.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the
household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to
activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start
up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they
both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which
seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped
you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address.
Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the
desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and
Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365
which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should
allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I
did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on
the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate
narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the
screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest
windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I
currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist
you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not
accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up
> without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity.
> I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began,
> or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning.
> I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to
> the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going
> through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering
> picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up,
> but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work
> tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce
> Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps
> because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet.
> See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an
> Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader
> you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating
> system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months,
> I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
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>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network
>> information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order
>> to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy
>> to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know
>> what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn
>> off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be
>> able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for
>> your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering
>> will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is
>> connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

That would be awesome. Save me the hassle of buying a new lap top, setting up, then returning it again as I have no use for another computer right now.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 4, 2021 12:34 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

The BlindTechGuys may do an episode on setting up Windows 10, so be tuned for that, I'll post an update on when that happens, although you can always subscribe to the BTG mailing list at blindtechguys+subscribe@... for more updates. Nonetheless, Narrator does work with touch screens, and I would bet that your new machine will work out just fine with Narrator, but you'll have to let us know.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:54 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Nimer,

I wasn’t blaming Narrator, but all I could say was Narrator didn’t stay on long enough for me to do anything, and why that was I don’t have any idea, and I couldn’t see anything on the screen, so I don’t know what else I can say.  I don’t know if Narrator works with touch screens either, and that Laptop was a touch screen, but like I said I just don’t know.  I did make for sure the volume was turned up, I did make sure the speakers were turned on.  I didn’t ever say Narrator couldn’t work without an internet connection though.  I think another list member said Narrator wouldn’t work for them either until they had internet connection, so I just think the other list member was just expressing their experience with Narrator, and how they solved it, and trying to be helpful to me.  As far as that Laptop, I did take it back.  Although I did buy another one, and will pick it up Tuesday.  I will also turn on Narrator to see if Narrator will stay on, and I will tell Best Buy the experience I had in hopes they might be able to shed some light on this. 

I sure wish someone would create a Podcast on setting up Windows Ten using Narrator. 

 

Thank you for all your help though. 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

Janet,

 

You and others were blaming Narrator as the cause of this, making statements like Narrator doesn't work without Internet access. I and others have stated that this is not the case. I did not have a clear understanding of what was going on until a couple of messages ago in this thread. Knowing what I know now, I would say that it is likely that the install of Windows probably did not go over very well, and that if it was me, I would probably end up returning that machine at that point, because I would wonder what other problems would come up as a result of this. Of course, you could choose to tinker, get sighted assistance, and maybe, down the road, things would end up working fine. You could also use a USB drive and do a reinstall of Windows. But it's difficult to know in this situation what the issue is, as I have never encountered it, and I have not seen anyone else encountering this issue on the Win10 list or anywhere else. The people that say they are having difficulties with setup often do so because they don't know how to use Narrator, aren't used to the way it works, didn't wait long enough for the computer to get to the setup screen, waited too long and the computer went to sleep, had issues with volume using the external speakers and didn't have headphones or another audio source to try, etc.

 

I am just making it clear, as the world is so full of misinformation on so many things these days, that Narrator is not the cause of your problem, Narrator does work without Internet, Narrator guides many people through full installs of Windows let alone setups of manufacturer computers, and telling people that this can't be done places yet another artificial limitation on blind people which simply does not exist.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:14 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Gene,
I know that is not expected behavior for Narrator even though I never worked with Narrator, but I just don't know what the problem was.  Sometime with all this tech, there is no rhyme or reason is to why something is happening, and it doesn't help with me being blind either, I just wanted to ask the list to see if I would get any explanations so if I run in to this again, I would know what to do.  Even though, I didn't really get any answers is to why this happened, I don't plan on using Narrator as my screen reader anyways. 

Janet   

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't think anyone can tell you why Narrator turned off by itself on that
computer.  That is not expected behavior as is evident from the other
comments from users.  Therefore, my guess is that that machine either had a
problem with the Windows installation that caused that behavior or that
something was put on it by the manufacturer that interfered with Narrator
running at the setup screen.  We also don't know if the problem would have
continued after you got Windows set up.  It is likely that you won't have
any problem with Narrator on the machine you are buying.  It soundes to me
as though you are going to ask Best Buy to do the initial setup.  After
that, you can see if Narrator stays on at the store.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Nimer,

That is right you don’t know anything about me or my technical skills, but I
can asure you I do understand and know how to press the control, windows,
enter keys, and that is exactly what I did.  When I turned on Narrator,
Narrator would say Narrator on, and then Narrator would say off as it turned
completely off, so that is why I am saying Narrator was not any help to me.
I need Narrator to stay on in order to help me.  Why Narrator acted this
way, I do not have any idea.  Now, if I turn on Narrator, I would think
Narrator would stay on until I turn it off.  So to me, if a program turns on
but then turns off, that is not any help to me.  I never said I needed a
internet connection to use Narrator either, this is what I am trying to find
out, just for the simple fact this doesn’t happen to me again when I pick up
my new Laptop.  Although, you say Narrator can help me to set up my internet
connection, and I am happy to hear this, but again, Narrator will not stay
on long enough to help me do anything, and this is exactly what I keep
saying, and exactly why I am asking these questions.  Ok, so if Narrator can
be this helpful to me, can someone please just tell me how to get Narrator
to completely work without turning on and off, as this is not any help to
me, and I don’t think someone really needs a great deal of technical skills
to press control, windows, enter.  t



Thank you all,

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you
said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would
say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know
how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have
lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully
booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the
problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard
narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or
narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore.
I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator
does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I
have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an
internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through
setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing,
narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can
use narrator to set up that internet connection.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by
pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working,
and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use
narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a
machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box,
narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is
the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then
Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the
Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and
Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get
Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said
maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I
have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not
automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although,
some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of
the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So,
again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it
all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone
already changed some settings on the machine.



Thank you for all this.



Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help
on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on.
As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn
on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on
Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore
necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got
you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your
laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so
on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but
let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator
will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no
update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes
for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at
the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this
is misinformation and simply isn't true.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me
to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.
What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up
Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I
also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to
tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me
as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I
don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything
about Narrator,as I've never used it either.
Thank you so much again.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the
household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to
activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start
up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they
both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which
seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped
you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address.
Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the
desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and
Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365
which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should
allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I
did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on
the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate
narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the
screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest
windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I
currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist
you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not
accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up
> without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity.
> I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began,
> or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning.
> I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to
> the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going
> through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering
> picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up,
> but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work
> tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce
> Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps
> because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet.
> See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an
> Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader
> you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating
> system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months,
> I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network
>> information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order
>> to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy
>> to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know
>> what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn
>> off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be
>> able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for
>> your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering
>> will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is
>> connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

If I recall you don't need to be an expert on narrator to set up a windows
computer. Most of the action is simply tabbing through the screens, using
the arrow keys to make preference choices and pressing enter on the next
button to proceed to the next screen.

Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela
Dominguez
Sent: January 3, 2021 11:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Do you actually know how to use narrator? That may be the problem. I
tried, a long time ago, to use it, but I have not got a clue about it. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 7:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information
for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this. I
just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will
work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!
LOL!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from which
you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I don't know
just what you are asked and if you need to provide information you wouldn't
want others to know. I also don't know if the store would charge to do
it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back off, and
so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all. I don't have any
idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never worked with Narrator
before. I will try to use Narrator again when I pick up my Laptop this
coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time. If it doesn't work this
time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
computer. I doubt you can install anything until you go through it. We
don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator may not
have been the problem. Whenever I see this question discussed, those who
describe what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my Router to enter it,
matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can probably connect
the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I connected my iPhone using my
network password and security number. My Modem and Router is so old, and
out dated as I've had it since 2009, and I probably need a new one soon. Do
you know if I can install Jaws as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use
Narrator? Last week when I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator
wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to enter
information on your laptop to allow it to connect. The laptop will see your
router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now though, speaking
about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and Router, but I do
know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do have WI-FI connections
with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to need
something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though. Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

Interesting. The first one I did was the XPS 8930 in March of 2019. I thought the feature was new then. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

No, you could set it up before 1903. In fact, you could set up Windows XP I believe, for sure Vista simply by turning on Narrator at the setup screen. Of course, Narrator wasn't great then, but it has come a long way since.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:46 PM chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:

Thank you.

Also, wasn’t 1903 the first version of windows 10 that allowed complete set-up without sighted assistance?

 

Chris Judge

 

 

I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on. As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this is misinformation and simply isn't true.

 

Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.  What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything about Narrator,as I've never used it either. 
Thank you so much again. 

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address. Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365 which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity. I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began, or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning. I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up, but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet. See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months, I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

chris judge
 

I turned the computer on, waited a few moments to make sure I was at the
beginning of set-up, then press control windows enter to start narrator.
From there I was able to tab through the screens, make my preference choices
and finally, after everything was set up, I got to my desktop and was able
to then install jaws and do all the other things required such as set up
email, make choices for how I wanted files and folders displayed, and so on.
The screen to choose from available networks is either the first or second
screen after you begin. I can't remember which now. As I said yesterday, I'm
going to pick up a new lap top and record the set-up process and make the
file available so others can learn, but it won't be for a couple of weeks.
Chris Judge

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris,
Did you have Narrator turned on? If not, how did you know what the Dell was
asking you?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
chris judge
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

When I set up my XPS I was offered the updates right away.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
Sent: January 3, 2021 5:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

You may need to install some updates.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io
[mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 6:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to need
something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though. Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

Peace Be With You.


Re: EPUB Reader

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Alright, thank you guys!


Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Nimer Jaber
 

The BlindTechGuys may do an episode on setting up Windows 10, so be tuned for that, I'll post an update on when that happens, although you can always subscribe to the BTG mailing list at blindtechguys+subscribe@... for more updates. Nonetheless, Narrator does work with touch screens, and I would bet that your new machine will work out just fine with Narrator, but you'll have to let us know.


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:54 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Nimer,

I wasn’t blaming Narrator, but all I could say was Narrator didn’t stay on long enough for me to do anything, and why that was I don’t have any idea, and I couldn’t see anything on the screen, so I don’t know what else I can say.  I don’t know if Narrator works with touch screens either, and that Laptop was a touch screen, but like I said I just don’t know.  I did make for sure the volume was turned up, I did make sure the speakers were turned on.  I didn’t ever say Narrator couldn’t work without an internet connection though.  I think another list member said Narrator wouldn’t work for them either until they had internet connection, so I just think the other list member was just expressing their experience with Narrator, and how they solved it, and trying to be helpful to me.  As far as that Laptop, I did take it back.  Although I did buy another one, and will pick it up Tuesday.  I will also turn on Narrator to see if Narrator will stay on, and I will tell Best Buy the experience I had in hopes they might be able to shed some light on this. 

I sure wish someone would create a Podcast on setting up Windows Ten using Narrator. 

 

Thank you for all your help though. 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 8:33 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

 

Janet,

 

You and others were blaming Narrator as the cause of this, making statements like Narrator doesn't work without Internet access. I and others have stated that this is not the case. I did not have a clear understanding of what was going on until a couple of messages ago in this thread. Knowing what I know now, I would say that it is likely that the install of Windows probably did not go over very well, and that if it was me, I would probably end up returning that machine at that point, because I would wonder what other problems would come up as a result of this. Of course, you could choose to tinker, get sighted assistance, and maybe, down the road, things would end up working fine. You could also use a USB drive and do a reinstall of Windows. But it's difficult to know in this situation what the issue is, as I have never encountered it, and I have not seen anyone else encountering this issue on the Win10 list or anywhere else. The people that say they are having difficulties with setup often do so because they don't know how to use Narrator, aren't used to the way it works, didn't wait long enough for the computer to get to the setup screen, waited too long and the computer went to sleep, had issues with volume using the external speakers and didn't have headphones or another audio source to try, etc.

 

I am just making it clear, as the world is so full of misinformation on so many things these days, that Narrator is not the cause of your problem, Narrator does work without Internet, Narrator guides many people through full installs of Windows let alone setups of manufacturer computers, and telling people that this can't be done places yet another artificial limitation on blind people which simply does not exist.

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 6:14 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:

Gene,
I know that is not expected behavior for Narrator even though I never worked with Narrator, but I just don't know what the problem was.  Sometime with all this tech, there is no rhyme or reason is to why something is happening, and it doesn't help with me being blind either, I just wanted to ask the list to see if I would get any explanations so if I run in to this again, I would know what to do.  Even though, I didn't really get any answers is to why this happened, I don't plan on using Narrator as my screen reader anyways. 

Janet   

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't think anyone can tell you why Narrator turned off by itself on that
computer.  That is not expected behavior as is evident from the other
comments from users.  Therefore, my guess is that that machine either had a
problem with the Windows installation that caused that behavior or that
something was put on it by the manufacturer that interfered with Narrator
running at the setup screen.  We also don't know if the problem would have
continued after you got Windows set up.  It is likely that you won't have
any problem with Narrator on the machine you are buying.  It soundes to me
as though you are going to ask Best Buy to do the initial setup.  After
that, you can see if Narrator stays on at the store.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 5:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.



Nimer,

That is right you don’t know anything about me or my technical skills, but I
can asure you I do understand and know how to press the control, windows,
enter keys, and that is exactly what I did.  When I turned on Narrator,
Narrator would say Narrator on, and then Narrator would say off as it turned
completely off, so that is why I am saying Narrator was not any help to me.
I need Narrator to stay on in order to help me.  Why Narrator acted this
way, I do not have any idea.  Now, if I turn on Narrator, I would think
Narrator would stay on until I turn it off.  So to me, if a program turns on
but then turns off, that is not any help to me.  I never said I needed a
internet connection to use Narrator either, this is what I am trying to find
out, just for the simple fact this doesn’t happen to me again when I pick up
my new Laptop.  Although, you say Narrator can help me to set up my internet
connection, and I am happy to hear this, but again, Narrator will not stay
on long enough to help me do anything, and this is exactly what I keep
saying, and exactly why I am asking these questions.  Ok, so if Narrator can
be this helpful to me, can someone please just tell me how to get Narrator
to completely work without turning on and off, as this is not any help to
me, and I don’t think someone really needs a great deal of technical skills
to press control, windows, enter.  t



Thank you all,

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I know nothing about you or your tech skills. What I do know is that you
said it wasn't working, and then you said that it was working and it would
say narrator on or narrator off. So that suggests to me that you don't know
how to use that screen reader. It suggests to me that possibly, you have
lost focus. it's suggests to me that maybe the computer was not fully
booted. it suggests to me that any number of things could have been the
problem, but the problem was not that narrator did not work. You heard
narrator speak. you say it didn't say much other than narrator on or
narrator off but there are a number of reasons for that that we can explore.
I'm not trying to assume what your tech skills are, but saying that narrator
does not work until you connect an internet connection is simply not true. I
have set up many many many machines, and none of them have required an
internet connection before narrator works. I have also walked through
setting up machines for a number of individuals remotely, and same thing,
narrator works before you set up an internet connection. in fact, you can
use narrator to set up that internet connection.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:31 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Nimer,

How can you say Narrator was working when ever I turned Narrator on by
pressing Control, Windows, enter, Narrator would turn right back off?



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





The fact that you got any speech at all tells me that narrator was working,
and it's possible that you may need some assistance learning how to use
narrator in order to actually make it work for you. As for whether or not a
machine has been set up already, if a machine is brand new, out of the box,
narrator will work. As for that other female voice that you heard, that is
the assistant that comes on to help you through the setup process.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021, 14:12 Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Nimer,

I could not get anything out of Narrator other then Narrator is on and then
Narrator is off, there for, Narrator was not any help to me.  I pressed the
Control, Windows, Enter keys, to turn Narrator on, but again Narrator on and
Narrator off.  I’m just not for sure how some blind people say they can get
Narrator to work and followed the promptes, and some can’t.  As you said
maybe I wasn’t at the set up screen, and that could very well be, but if I
have no speech, I have no way of knowing that.  Narrator did not
automatically come on when I turned on my Laptop either though.  Although,
some woman’s voice came on but went off.  Now that Laptop was strait out of
the box, so do I need to have someone to put the screen in some order? So,
again, I would need a sighted person to do that.  I’m beginning to think it
all depends on if the PC or Laptop is strait out of the box, or has someone
already changed some settings on the machine.



Thank you for all this.



Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 3:40 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.





I recommend anyone to join the Windows 10 mailing list for additional help
on Windows 10. Fact is, Narrator has never needed Internet to be turned on.
As I stated, there are other possible reasons for why Narrator did not turn
on. These could be that you were not at the setup screen before turning on
Narrator, your volume was low with the built-in speakers therefore
necessitating maybe plugging in some headphones, an inadvertent keypress got
you to a different screen, you were not familiar with the keys on your
laptop (I say this because the control key moves from laptop to laptop), so
on and so on. The possibilities are endless as to why this did not work, but
let me assure and reassure anyone looking to buy a computer that Narrator
will, indeed, come up at the setup screen, no Internet access required, no
update required so long as the laptop in question has Windows 10. Same goes
for a phone. Phones do not need Internet access to enable accessibility at
the setup screen. Anyone providing this information needs to know that this
is misinformation and simply isn't true.







On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 1:27 PM Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:



Hi Joyce,
Thank you so much for this, as this all makes sense.  People kept telling me
to just turn on Narrator and follow the prompts, but that didn't happen.
What you are saying does make much more sense, there is more to setting up
Windows for someone who has no speech than what many people are thinking.  I
also think  this is a learning experience for all of us.  Now I know what to
tell Best Buy what I need them to do for me, as they are trying to help me
as much as they can, and they don't know anything about Narrator, and I
don't expect them to, as me as a blind person, I don't even know anything
about Narrator,as I've never used it either.
Thank you so much again.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joyce Feinberg
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 12:59 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi Chris and Janet,
I recently received a brand new laptop and a brand new desktop in the
household. When it was turned on, it came up to a screen and I tried to
activate narrator. Narrator would not activate until I got through the start
up process. Neither computer was set up on a direct link to the router, they
both needed to be set up as wireless.
Some of the initial set ups were to set up a username and password/pen which
seems to now be required as I have been unable to disable it. It also helped
you set up your wireless network as well as got you into one email address.
Depending on what you purchased with the laptop, those apps will be on the
desktop when it gets logged in. On the laptop, it was only recycle Ben and
Microsoft edge. On the desktop it also included the icons for office 365
which I just configured to my current user login.
I figure that Best Buy will have some type of Internet access which should
allow them to assist you in getting through the initial start up screens. I
did need sighted assistance until I was able to get logged in I am set up on
the wireless Wi-Fi. Once I was at the desktop, I was able to activate
narrator which then allowed me to load up my screen reader program. Once the
screen reader of my choice was active, I performed the update to the latest
windows and started to download additional apps and programs that I
currently use.
Hope this information helps you out, but Best Buy should be able to assist
you in getting through those initial start up screens which are not
accessible with narrator.
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 12:21 PM, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> When I got my dell XPS in March of 2019 I was able to completely set it up
> without sighted assistance. This pc has both wired and wifi connectivity.
> I can't recall now if I had hard wired it to the internet before I began,
> or if I used wifi, but I had no issues starting narrator at the beginning.
> I hadn't heard that narrator won't run unless the computer is connected to
> the internet and I don't think that is the case.
>
> I'm surprised someone hasn't done a demonstration on some podcast going
> through the steps of setting up a pc from scratch. I am considering
> picking up a new laptop for the specific purpose of recording it's set-up,
> but I won't have time to do it for a couple of weeks as it's back to work
> tomorrow and things are going to be busy for a while.Chris Judge
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joyce
> Feinberg
> Sent: January 2, 2021 9:25 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>
> Hi Janet, a few things as I have just set up a new laptop.
> First, you will need sided assistance to get through the first few steps
> because narrator does not turn on until you are connected to the Internet.
> See if Best Buy will get you through to at least the desktop without an
> Internet connection.
> Second, after you have gotten to the desktop and loaded your screen reader
> you will probably need to perform an update to the Windows operating
> system. Although the latest windows update has been out for a few months,
> I still needed to update to the 2008, H2 version.
> I hope this information helps.
>> On Jan 2, 2021, at 7:41 PM, Janet <janet.harvard@...> wrote:
>>
>> Gene,
>> I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network
>> information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order
>> to do this.  I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy
>> to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know
>> what is my next step!  LOL!
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from
>> which you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I
>> don't know just what you are asked and if you need to provide
>> information you wouldn't want others to know.  I also don't know if
>> the store would charge to do it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn
>> off.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
>> everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back
>> off, and so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all.  I
>> don't have any idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never
>> worked with Narrator before.  I will try to use Narrator again when I
>> pick up my Laptop this coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time.
>> If it doesn't work this time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be
>> able to set up the Laptop.
>>
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
>> computer.  I doubt you can install anything until you go through it.
>> We don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator
>> may not have been the problem.  Whenever I see this question
>> discussed, those who describe what they do say they use Narrator.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Gene,
>> Ok this makes sense.  I do know the information from my Router to
>> enter it, matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can
>> probably connect the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I
>> connected my iPhone using my network password and security number.  My
>> Modem and Router is so old, and out dated as I've had it since 2009,
>> and I probably need a new one soon.  Do you know if I can install Jaws
>> as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use Narrator? Last week when
>> I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator wasn't any help at all.
>>
>> Janet
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to
>> enter information on your laptop to allow it to connect.  The laptop
>> will see your router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for
>> your security key.
>> I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> HI Gene,
>> System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me.  Now though,
>> speaking about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and
>> Router, but I do know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do
>> have WI-FI connections with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering
>> will I need to do
>> something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop    to
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Janet
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>> Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to
>> do is use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows.  As I recall,
>> its system Defender.
>>
>> You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but
>> System Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to
>> need something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.
>>
>> You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been
>> discussed here when you first use the computer.  Aside from what you
>> are discussing, the only thing I can think of is to set up your
>> computer to work with your WIFI, unless at home, you are going to
>> connect your computer to your router by cable.  I don't know enough
>> about how you set up your computer to work with your WIFI to discuss
>> it.  When I had my modem set up here, the serviceman set up my laptop
>> to work with it.  I think AT&T does that for customers when a router is
>> connected by them.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Janet
>> Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
>> To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
>> Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop,
>> what might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set
>> up an email program, install my screen reader, set up security though.
>> Just so I know what to expect when I bring home my Laptop.  I know how
>> to plug it in though!  LOL!
>> Janet
>>
>> Peace Be With You.
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Re: Windows license will expire soon

 

no it cant be a malware.
malware cant make your windows licence to expire.
although 1 thing you can do to make sure.
press windows i then go to update and security then go to activation.
then use object nav of nvda or the jaws curser or long way insert b
and see what it says.

On 1/4/21, Janet <janet.harvard@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
Oh sure, that is why I suggested maybe calling MS so they could share
screens, and see just what is exactly in the message.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Loy
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 8:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon

This may be malware.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janet" <janet.harvard@outlook.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon


Hi All,
Maybe call MS, and ask them just to see what they will say. Maybe they can

connect screens and see the message for themselves.
Janaet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of

Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon

But what exactly did the notification say? Did it say expire or did it say
something about you not using an authorized version of Windows?

If this is what appears to be a Windows notification, not an e-mail, I'm
not
sure why you are getting it but it shouldn't just be dismissed andd
deserves
further discussion.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Austin Pinto
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:02 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon

no this is fully wrong.
after you upgrade from windows 8.1 to 10 or windows 7 to 10, you can
use windows free for ever.
now your licence can expire only if.
1. you had given your laptop for servicing within the passed year and
the servicing Technician had to reinstall windows so they didnt
install the proper edition of windows that came with your laptop.
or if you your self have not installed a proper edition of windows
that came with your laptop.
the solution may be simple or complicated.
if you can get some 1 to read the key which is 25 character long which
is on a sticker under your laptop or may be in the battery compartment
if the battery is removable.
then go to activate windows put that key in and see if it accepts the key.
if not then the complicated solution.
you will have to do a clean install of windows.
so backup all of your data that is on c drive, search for windows 10
media creation tool and download it.
make a bootable usb drive for which you will need a 8gb or bigger usb
drive.
then get help and boot your computer from that usb you will have to go
to the bios or uefi of your computer.
the settup starts press windows enter to start narrator.
when it takes you to enter a key enter the key that came on the laptop
sticker and it should accept it.
if there is no key on your laptop, then the key must be in your
laptops uefi so it will read it and accept it.
and you will have a permanently activated version of windows.

On 1/4/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It isn't an e-mail. it is a notification. The notification didn't tell
the

user to do anything that might compromise personal information or
endanger
the security of the machine. It told the user to open areas on the
computer

itself. If it were an e-mail and had instructed the user to go to a web
site or open an attachment or something that might be dangerous or
compromising, that would be different and the e-mail could be deleted
with

no concern. Microsoft doesn't send such notifications by e-mail.

Gene
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From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 4:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon



Hi Teresa,



This sounds like a scam to me.

I have never heard of such a thing.

I would delete the email.

Don’t give it another thought.



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Teresa

Arroyo Llosa
Sent: January 3, 2021 1:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows license will expire soon





Hello all,



First of all, I hope you all had a happy Christmas and new year.



As the subject says, I got a notification saying that my windows license
will expire soon, and had two options, go to PC settings or close
buttons.
When I went to PC settings I there was an activate button and a place to
write a key.



I got my laptop some years ago with Windows 8, which I was able to
upgrade
freely to Windows 8.1.



My issue is, does this kind of license expire? Is there something I could
do

to avoid it?



Thank you in advance for your advice.



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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Janet
 

Pam,
I don't know very much about Narrator, but I did know where the control, windows enter keys were, and that was all I needyh to just turn on Narrator, just so I could get through the rest of the set up, and then I wanted to install JAWS.
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 9:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Do you actually know how to use narrator? That may be the problem. I
tried, a long time ago, to use it, but I have not got a clue about it. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 7:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information
for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this. I
just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will
work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step!
LOL!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from which
you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I don't know
just what you are asked and if you need to provide information you wouldn't
want others to know. I also don't know if the store would charge to do
it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back off, and
so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all. I don't have any
idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never worked with Narrator
before. I will try to use Narrator again when I pick up my Laptop this
coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time. If it doesn't work this
time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
computer. I doubt you can install anything until you go through it. We
don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator may not
have been the problem. Whenever I see this question discussed, those who
describe what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my Router to enter it,
matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can probably connect
the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I connected my iPhone using my
network password and security number. My Modem and Router is so old, and
out dated as I've had it since 2009, and I probably need a new one soon. Do
you know if I can install Jaws as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use
Narrator? Last week when I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator
wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to enter
information on your laptop to allow it to connect. The laptop will see your
router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now though, speaking
about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and Router, but I do
know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do have WI-FI connections
with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to need
something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though. Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

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Re: Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Pamela Dominguez
 

Do you actually know how to use narrator? That may be the problem. I tried, a long time ago, to use it, but I have not got a clue about it. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 7:41 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
I already asked Best buy if I or them could install my Network information for me, and they said I need to be home by my Wi-Fi in order to do this. I just might try to turn on Narrator when I am at Best Buy to see if it will work or not, because if it doesn't work, I don't know what is my next step! LOL!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I don't know what you can arrange, but it may be that the store from which
you purchase the computer from would have someone do it but I don't know
just what you are asked and if you need to provide information you wouldn't
want others to know. I also don't know if the store would charge to do
it.Narrator shouldn't automatically turn off.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Several people told me to use Narrator, and that is what I did, but
everytime I turned Narrator on, it would completely turn right back off, and
so that is why I say Narrator was no help to me at all. I don't have any
idea why Narrator was like that though, as I have never worked with Narrator
before. I will try to use Narrator again when I pick up my Laptop this
coming Tuesday, and see how it works this time. If it doesn't work this
time, I have no speech, so there for, I won't be able to set up the Laptop.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

I haven't gone through the setup procedure when you first run a new
computer. I doubt you can install anything until you go through it. We
don't know why you had the problems you had before, but Narrator may not
have been the problem. Whenever I see this question discussed, those who
describe what they do say they use Narrator.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Gene,
Ok this makes sense. I do know the information from my Router to enter it,
matter of fact, now that I finally thought about it, I can probably connect
the Laptop to my Wi-FI just like I do when I connected my iPhone using my
network password and security number. My Modem and Router is so old, and
out dated as I've had it since 2009, and I probably need a new one soon. Do
you know if I can install Jaws as I turn on the Laptop, or do I need to use
Narrator? Last week when I tried to work with the other Laptop, Narrator
wasn't any help at all.

Janet
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:57 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

No, but when you connect your laptop to the WIFI, you will have to enter
information on your laptop to allow it to connect. The laptop will see your
router but when you tell it to connect, it will ask for your security key.
I'm not sure if it asks for anything else.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

HI Gene,
System Defender sounds like it will be enough for me. Now though, speaking
about Wi-Fi, my current PC is connected to my modem and Router, but I do
know or so I've been told by ATT back in 2009, I do have WI-FI connections
with this Modem and Router, but I'm now wondering will I need to do
something to my Modem or Router in order to connect my new Laptop to
Wi-Fi?
Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

As far as I know, you won't have to set up security if all you want to do is
use the program Mivcrosoft provides with Windows. As I recall, its system
Defender.

You may want to use something in addition such as Malware Bytes but System
Defender is a highly rated program and you will be unlikely to need
something else unless you want to use something like Malwaare Bytes.

You will have to go through some sort of procedure as has been discussed
here when you first use the computer. Aside from what you are discussing,
the only thing I can think of is to set up your computer to work with your
WIFI, unless at home, you are going to connect your computer to your router
by cable. I don't know enough about how you set up your computer to work
with your WIFI to discuss it. When I had my modem set up here, the
serviceman set up my laptop to work with it. I think AT&T does that for
customers when a router is connected by them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 5:19 PM
To: 'main@TechTalk.groups.io'
Subject: [TechTalk] Setting up A New Laptop Question Please.

Hi All,
I'm just curious if Windows Ten is already installed on my Laptop, what
might be left that I would need to do? I know I will need to set up an email
program, install my screen reader, set up security though. Just so I know
what to expect when I bring home my Laptop. I know how to plug it in
though! LOL!
Janet

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