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Re: avaya scripts for Jaws

Bharat
 

I would suggest you to get in touch with Dug Lee. Please visit his
website & get his contact information from there.



https://dlee.org/contact/

I am sure, something or the other would work out. Incase these scripts
exist elsewhere or with anyone else, he may well be able to point you
to that person or resource.

Thank you,

Bharat.

On 2/11/21, Anna Rita de Bonis via groups.io
<tieger_db=yahoo.es@groups.io> wrote:
Hello. Do you know the software Avaya Workplace? I can use it quite
well, but not some features like chats for example or I'm not able to
make shortcut work. Could someone of you help me please? I have
Windows10 and Jaws 2021. I'm using Avaya for working.

Thank you very much.

Have a nice day,


Anna Rita







avaya scripts for Jaws

Anna Rita de Bonis
 

Hello. Do you know the software Avaya Workplace? I can use it quite well, but not some features like chats for example or I'm not able to make shortcut work. Could someone of you help me please? I have Windows10 and Jaws 2021. I'm using Avaya for working.

Thank you very much.

Have a nice day,


Anna Rita


Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Kimsan
 

Hahha, at times the signature is longer than the email that was written!

 

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:16 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

 

And then you have that select few that have signatures that are more of a freaking billboard than a signature!  LOL 


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----

From: Laz

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:46 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

 

Gene, I've begun to suspect that many people don't know that they can
issue commands, move on, stop reading, etc, when using their computers
and a screen reader. I've been on the hone with some and they let
their screen reader read on and on before moving on to the next thing
they want to do. Some have replied with a dumbfounded "what?" when
I've asked them to stop the screen reader from blabbing on and on. I
guess it's one of those basics they either weren't taught or they
missed when they were taught to use their screen reader. It's very
inefficient and does waste their time.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> But if you just move on as soon as you hear it read or begin to be read, how
>
> are you wasting time?  Since you can issue any command at any time when you
>
> are listening to a message that does whatever you want, how does it matter?
>
> In addition, so many e-mails have material below the signature that you
> would start to hear that, such as earlier quoted material or the foot notes
>
> that groups put at the ends of messages.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vicky Vaughan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:38 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?
>
> Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.
>
> Vicky V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?
>
> We'll see what others say, but I doubt it.  As far as I know, a signature
> is
> just a name, no different than the other text in a message.  Why is it a
> problem?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vicky Vaughan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?
>
>
>
> Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020.
> Is
>
> there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
> messages?
>
>
>
> Thanks very much!
>
>
>
> Sincerely, Vicky V
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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Janet
 

Hi Keith,

I’m sorry you’re still having these PC issues, but at the sametime, I’m glad to see you haven’t given up!  Yes, this can be quite frustrating, no doubt, I copied and pasted some information below for you to read about performing a reset on your PC.  If I were you, I would definitely just call the Microsoft Disability Help Desk, and I copied and pasted that phone number below providing you are in the US, as MS is in the Philippines I think,  and I will also copy and paste FS phone number so if you need to call them regarding JAWS.  Although, the MS Help Desk should be able to help you with JAWS as well, or at least that’s why they are there.  So, if you do call MS, they can remotely log in to your PC after they give you a code with some letters and numbers and you can enter them in to your PC, and you will need to except the agreement to allow them to log in to your PC.  They will look through your PC for you, and they can tell you what the problem might be, and matter of fact, they might be able to rectify some of the issues if not all of them.  If they think you need to perform a reset, they can set that up for you as well.  You can still keep JAWS on your PC, but remember as I’m sure you know once the sighted people get ahold of that Mouse, JAWS will sound like he has a speech impediment, but don’t worry as that will not do any harm to JAWS.  It does sound like you might have a few different issues going on with the Laptop, so I think it is in your best interest to call MS and do what you need to do, and be done with it.  You will feel much better!  Keith there are so many reasons your PC can be acting this way, so many questions, but so little answers, and chances are you might not have all the answers yourself, especially if your PC is not even working correctly.  So chances, you can’t even follow any instructions on your PC someone might be giving to you.  So, please red below  about the reset feature in Windows 10, and MS and FS phone numbers will be below that.  and call MS, and hopefully, you will give us some great news, as I would love to hear that!  Smile!  I know it is very frustrating right now, but I do firmly believe there is light at the end of this tunnel! 

 

 

Everything You Need to Know About “Reset This PC” in Windows 8 and 10

CHRIS HOFFMAN  @chrisbhoffman

Windows 10 includes a “Reset your PC” option that quickly restores Windows to its factory default configuration. It’s faster and more convenient than reinstalling Windows from scratch or using your manufacturer’s recovery partition.

 

Windows 8 had separate “Refresh your PC” and “Reset your PC” options. Refresh kept all your files and personalization settings, but set your PC settings to the default and uninstalled your desktop apps. Reset removed everything, including your files–like doing a complete Windows reset from scratch.

 

On Windows 10, things are a bit simpler. The only option is “Reset your PC”, but during the process, you’ll get to choose whether to keep your personal files or not.

 

How Resetting Your PC Works

When you use the “Reset this PC” feature in Windows, Windows resets itself to its factory default state. If you purchased a PC and it came with Windows 10 installed, your PC will be in the same state you received it in. All the manufacturer installed software and drivers that came with the PC will be reinstalled. If you installed Windows 10 yourself, it will be a fresh Windows 10 system without any additional software.

You can choose whether you want to keep your personal files or erase them. However, all your installed programs and settings will be erased. This ensures you have a fresh system. Any problems caused by third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC.

 

If your computer came with Windows pre-installed, you may also see a third option, “Restore Factory Settings”. This will restore the original version that came with your PC–so if your computer came with Windows 8, and you upgraded to Windows 10, it will reset back to Windows 8.

This process is very similar to reinstalling Windows from scratch or using a manufacturer-supplied recovery partition, but is more convenient.

 

Under the Hood

Microsoft has explained what’s actually going on under the hood here. When you reset your PC and remove everything:

 

The PC boots into Windows RE, the Windows Recovery Environment

Windows RE erases and formats the Windows partitions before installing a fresh copy of Windows.

The PC restarts into the new copy of Windows.

When you choose to keep your files, the same steps occur. However, before erasing your Windows partition, Windows RE scans the hard drive for your files and personal settings. It places them aside, installs a fresh copy of Windows, and puts them back where they were found.

 

Whether you choose to keep your personal files or not, this process involves a completely fresh Windows system. That’s why your desktop programs are erased.

 

How to Reset Your PC From Within Windows

To reset your PC to its factory default settings on Windows 10, just open the Settings app and head to Update & Security > Recovery. Click or tap the “Get Started” button under “Reset this PC”.

 

On Windows 8, head to Change PC Settings > Update & Recovery > Recovery to find the equivalent “Refresh your PC” and “Reset this PC” options.

 

You can choose to either “Keep my files” or “Remove everything”. If you select “Keep my files”, Windows will reset Windows to its default state, removing your installed applications and settings but keeping your personal files. If you select “Remove everything”, Windows will erase everything, including your personal files.

 

If you just want a fresh Windows system, select “Keep my files” to reset Windows without deleting your personal files. You should use the “Remove everything” option when selling a computer or giving it to someone else, as this will erase your personal data and set the machine to its factory default state. Either way, it’s a good idea to have backups of your important files before using this feature.

 

In Windows 8, the “Keep my files” option was named “Refresh your PC” and the “Remove everything” option was named “Reset your PC”. Windows 10 simplifies things by calling this process “Reset your PC” and asking what you want to do with your files.

If you choose to remove everything, Windows will ask if you want to “clean the drives, too”. Select “Remove files and clean the drive” and Windows will copy data over the drive to ensure your deleted files can’t be recovered. This is the ideal option to use when you’re selling or giving away the PC (or its hard drive).

 

How to Reset Your PC From the Boot Menu

RELATED: Three Ways to Access the Windows 8 or 10 Boot Options Menu

 

If your Windows PC isn’t booting properly, you can reset it from the boot options menu. We’ve covered several ways to access this menu. However, this menu will also appear automatically if Windows can’t boot.

 

Select Troubleshoot > Reset this PC to reset your PC from the menu.

 

How to Get a Fresh Windows 10 System Without the Bloatware

RELATED: How to Easily Reinstall Windows 10 Without the Bloatware

 

The “Reset this PC” option is convenient, but there’s one big problem with it: if your PC manufacturer installed a lot of junk software you don’t want at the factory, resetting your PC will bring all that junk back.

Thankfully, with Windows 10’s Anniversary Update, there’s now an easy way to get a fresh-from-Microsoft Windows 10 system.  Just click the “Learn how to start fresh with a clean installation of Windows” link on the Settings > Update & Security > Recovery screen.

 

The new “Give your PC a fresh start” tool will download a Windows 10 image straight from Microsoft and install it on your system, giving you a fresh-from-Microsoft system with none of that factory software installed. The hardware drivers you need should be automatically downloaded from Windows Update after you’re done. If you need a hardware driver or utility that isn’t automatically installed from Windows Update, you’ll find them on your PC manufacturer’s downloadsite.

 

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/author/chrishoffman/

 

Microsoft Accessibility Help Desk 800-936-5900 United States Only. 

FS number if you need to call for JAWS 727-803-8600

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

one major problem with trying any of the suggesitons:

 

I have no clue as to how to access defrag, how to determine amount of ram and cpu speed, how to check cpu usage and ram usage, and how to do a syste check on windows 10.

 

Yes, I'm sure they are all very simple to figure out, but migrating from xp which I am very fluent with to a very slow machine and having to literally hit a link or hit return or space bar on a button and then go wander of to do something else while the computer actually does what I just ordered it to do is a bit...frustrating to say the least.

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochise

Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:13 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

 

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse.  Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why.  From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older.  It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine.  I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten?  Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my  windows 10 computer.  I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes.  Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed.  of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said.  He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much!  Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later.  It would have been good if I
had asked that.  If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility.  If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely.  For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM.  That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here.  There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow.  Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want,  has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up,   so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow.  As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8.  Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process.  I don't know if he wants that.  Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again.  I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along.  My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running.  I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness.  As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10.  It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was.  If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible.  You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy.  I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset.  The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8.  Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC.  You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC.  You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag.  I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default.  Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC.  Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7.  I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that.  I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using?  I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now!  LOL!  Stupidity on my part!  So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and  effort you might want
to put in to it.  I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you.  You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say.  MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you.  If
you are interested  in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know.  Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer.  the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10  OS.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem.  As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years.  It originally
came with   windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple  of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though.  Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one!  Smile!  There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead!  Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP.  I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system.  he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might  be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes  user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it.   I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug.  Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait  for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning!  LOL!  As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background.  Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance.  That’s just my personal opinion though.  I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely  3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012.  Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile!  As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10.  You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10.  I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window!  Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system?  I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck.  I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder.  opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating!  Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions.  I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings.   I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process.  I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though.  I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









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Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Blaster
 

Keith, I'm jumping on this thread a little late, but I didn't read
anything about you getting the Windows updates issue being fixed. I
had a similar issue on my windows 7 machine and it was behaving as you
described, like it was working in slow motion. I'll show you how to
clear the stuck windows update issue, however, it's better if you do
this in safe mode. My pc was so messed up I couldn't get it into safe
mode so it's not a deal breaker. Here's what you need to do.

There are two things that you need to do, temporarily stop the windows
updater and then delete all of the stuck files.

1. Open a command prompt with admin privileges, to do this:

Press and hold the windows key and tap the letter R key to open the
run command line

Type these three letters: cmd
Then Press and hold the CTRL key and SHIFT keys and tap the ENTER key.

This will bring up the UAC and you'll need to accept by tabbing to the
yes button and pressing the spacebar or enter key to accept.

To stop the windows updater, type this:
net stop wuauserv

Press the enter key and you'll hear that the service is shutting down.

We're going to leave this window open and now open a file explorer, to do this:

Press and hold the Windows key and tap the letter E key.

This will open a file explorer window.
Now you need to navigate to:

C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution

You can do this anyway that you want to, but the fastest way to get there is to:

Copy this link by highlighting it then pressing the CTRL key and
tapping the C key to copy it,

C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution

Press and hold the ALT key and tap the letter D key to jump to the
location bar in the file explorer window.

Press the CTRL key and tap the letter V key to paste it into the
location field and press the ENTER key.

You should be in the SoftwareDistribution folder, double check this
by pressing the INSERT key and then tapping the letter T ke to hear
the location spoken.

The first folder in my list is something called DataStore, yours may
be different.

We need to delete everything in this folder, no worries, the next time
windows sync's up it will automatically recreate all of the folders
and files that it needs.

Place focus on the first item in this list, mine is a folder called
DataStore, yours may be different.

Press and hold the CTRL key and SHIFT key and tap the END key to
highlight the whole contents of this folder.
Tap the DELETE key to delete everything highlited.
I was told that you could delete the actual folder itself, but I just
deleted all of the contents inside that folder.

Once the deleting starts, you will be prompted to accept or continue
with admin privileges periodically.
Just keep moving along pressing the accept or continue buttons until
the folder is empty. Now I mentioned that this is recommended to be
done in safe mode, so you may run into a file or two that will not
delete in normal mode. Just leave them be and continue to delete
everything that you can inside of this folder.

Once your done you need to Press the ALT key and tap the TAB key to
get back to the open command prompt window so you can restart the
windows updater.

Once your back to the command prompt, type this;

net start wuauserv

and press the ENTER key to execute the command.

You will hear that the service has started back up.

Type: exit
and this will close the command prompt.

Now restart your PC and hopefully you'll notice a difference in performance.

I'd keep a watch over the windows update utility until things settle down.
If you press the windows key and type:

check for updates

then press the enter key it should take you right there.

HTH,
Blaster

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know the interface in Windows 10, someone else may describe it.
but, if I look at the status line in the taskmanager in Windows 7, I can see

the percent of RAM, physical memory, being used, the percent of processor
capacity being used, and the number of processes being used.

If you use the task manager for such information, wait a number of seconds
after it opens, then use the refresh command, which is f5, in Windows 7.
Its probably f5 in Windows 10 but someone else can confirm or disconfirm
that. If you don't do that, the percent of processor capacity will be very

inaccurate, much higher than is actually the case. I don't know why but
evidently, there is something about opening the task manager that uses a lot

of computer power for a moment.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted

help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


one major problem with trying any of the suggesitons:

I have no clue as to how to access defrag, how to determine amount of ram
and cpu speed, how to check cpu usage and ram usage, and how to do a syste
check on windows 10.

Yes, I'm sure they are all very simple to figure out, but migrating from xp

which I am very fluent with to a very slow machine and having to literally
hit a link or hit return or space bar on a button and then go wander of to
do something else while the computer actually does what I just ordered it to

do is a bit...frustrating to say the least.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Cochise
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted

help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may
be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell
you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if
I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more
information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does
he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC,
are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is
he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana
turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC
will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware,
and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from
within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background,
what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also
improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a
defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do
a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and
this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and
I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough,
MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing
that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my
Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you.
If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows
8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10
(took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and
he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers
but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes
user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey,
I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing
the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this
past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t
stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



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Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without
sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on
your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could
use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to
the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings
changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









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Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws
18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Mike B
 


And then you have that select few that have signatures that are more of a freaking billboard than a signature!  LOL 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Gene, I've begun to suspect that many people don't know that they can
issue commands, move on, stop reading, etc, when using their computers
and a screen reader. I've been on the hone with some and they let
their screen reader read on and on before moving on to the next thing
they want to do. Some have replied with a dumbfounded "what?" when
I've asked them to stop the screen reader from blabbing on and on. I
guess it's one of those basics they either weren't taught or they
missed when they were taught to use their screen reader. It's very
inefficient and does waste their time.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> But if you just move on as soon as you hear it read or begin to be read, how
>
> are you wasting time?  Since you can issue any command at any time when you
>
> are listening to a message that does whatever you want, how does it matter?
>
> In addition, so many e-mails have material below the signature that you
> would start to hear that, such as earlier quoted material or the foot notes
>
> that groups put at the ends of messages.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vicky Vaughan
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:38 AM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?
>
> Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.
>
> Vicky V
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?
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> We'll see what others say, but I doubt it.  As far as I know, a signature
> is
> just a name, no different than the other text in a message.  Why is it a
> problem?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vicky Vaughan
> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?
>
>
>
> Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020.
> Is
>
> there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
> messages?
>
>
>
> Thanks very much!
>
>
>
> Sincerely, Vicky V
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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene
 

I don't know the interface in Windows 10, someone else may describe it. but, if I look at the status line in the taskmanager in Windows 7, I can see the percent of RAM, physical memory, being used, the percent of processor capacity being used, and the number of processes being used.

If you use the task manager for such information, wait a number of seconds after it opens, then use the refresh command, which is f5, in Windows 7. Its probably f5 in Windows 10 but someone else can confirm or disconfirm that. If you don't do that, the percent of processor capacity will be very inaccurate, much higher than is actually the case. I don't know why but evidently, there is something about opening the task manager that uses a lot of computer power for a moment.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


one major problem with trying any of the suggesitons:

I have no clue as to how to access defrag, how to determine amount of ram and cpu speed, how to check cpu usage and ram usage, and how to do a syste check on windows 10.

Yes, I'm sure they are all very simple to figure out, but migrating from xp which I am very fluent with to a very slow machine and having to literally hit a link or hit return or space bar on a button and then go wander of to do something else while the computer actually does what I just ordered it to do is a bit...frustrating to say the least.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Cochise
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

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From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you. If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



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Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Keith S
 


one major problem with trying any of the suggesitons:
 
I have no clue as to how to access defrag, how to determine amount of ram and cpu speed, how to check cpu usage and ram usage, and how to do a syste check on windows 10.
 
Yes, I'm sure they are all very simple to figure out, but migrating from xp which I am very fluent with to a very slow machine and having to literally hit a link or hit return or space bar on a button and then go wander of to do something else while the computer actually does what I just ordered it to do is a bit...frustrating to say the least.
 
Keith

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From: Cochise
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse.  Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately.  Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why.  From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older.  It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine.  I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
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help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten?  Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my  windows 10 computer.  I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes.  Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed.  of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said.  He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much!  Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later.  It would have been good if I
had asked that.  If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility.  If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely.  For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM.  That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here.  There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow.  Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want,  has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up,   so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow.  As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8.  Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process.  I don't know if he wants that.  Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again.  I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along.  My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running.  I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness.  As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10.  It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was.  If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible.  You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy.  I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset.  The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8.  Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC.  You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC.  You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag.  I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default.  Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC.  Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7.  I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that.  I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using?  I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now!  LOL!  Stupidity on my part!  So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and  effort you might want
to put in to it.  I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you.  You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say.  MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you.  If
you are interested  in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know.  Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer.  the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10  OS.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem.  As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years.  It originally
came with   windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple  of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



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From: Janet



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Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though.  Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one!  Smile!  There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead!  Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP.  I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system.  he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might  be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes  user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it.   I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug.  Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait  for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning!  LOL!  As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background.  Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance.  That’s just my personal opinion though.  I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely  3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012.  Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile!  As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10.  You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10.  I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window!  Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system?  I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck.  I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder.  opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating!  Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions.  I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings.   I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process.  I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though.  I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









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Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
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Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
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Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Laz
 

Yes. That and the fact that they use their screen reader at the
default speed which is so very very ridiculously slow... I believe
many people would increase their efficiency to a large degree if they
invested some time learning the basics on how to control their screen
readers so they could adjust their performance to their liking instead
of keeping them at their default settings.

Laz

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I've seen one or two friends do something like that and I wondered if it
might be something many people do. I suspect you are right that enough
people are unaware of this that it may be a problem affecting many people.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:46 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Gene, I've begun to suspect that many people don't know that they can
issue commands, move on, stop reading, etc, when using their computers
and a screen reader. I've been on the hone with some and they let
their screen reader read on and on before moving on to the next thing
they want to do. Some have replied with a dumbfounded "what?" when
I've asked them to stop the screen reader from blabbing on and on. I
guess it's one of those basics they either weren't taught or they
missed when they were taught to use their screen reader. It's very
inefficient and does waste their time.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
But if you just move on as soon as you hear it read or begin to be read,
how

are you wasting time? Since you can issue any command at any time when
you

are listening to a message that does whatever you want, how does it
matter?

In addition, so many e-mails have material below the signature that you
would start to hear that, such as earlier quoted material or the foot
notes

that groups put at the ends of messages.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.

Vicky V

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

We'll see what others say, but I doubt it. As far as I know, a signature
is
just a name, no different than the other text in a message. Why is it a
problem?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?



Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020.
Is

there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
messages?



Thanks very much!



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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Loy
 

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you. If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Gene
 

I've seen one or two friends do something like that and I wondered if it might be something many people do. I suspect you are right that enough people are unaware of this that it may be a problem affecting many people.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:46 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Gene, I've begun to suspect that many people don't know that they can
issue commands, move on, stop reading, etc, when using their computers
and a screen reader. I've been on the hone with some and they let
their screen reader read on and on before moving on to the next thing
they want to do. Some have replied with a dumbfounded "what?" when
I've asked them to stop the screen reader from blabbing on and on. I
guess it's one of those basics they either weren't taught or they
missed when they were taught to use their screen reader. It's very
inefficient and does waste their time.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
But if you just move on as soon as you hear it read or begin to be read, how

are you wasting time? Since you can issue any command at any time when you

are listening to a message that does whatever you want, how does it matter?

In addition, so many e-mails have material below the signature that you
would start to hear that, such as earlier quoted material or the foot notes

that groups put at the ends of messages.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.

Vicky V

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

We'll see what others say, but I doubt it. As far as I know, a signature
is
just a name, no different than the other text in a message. Why is it a
problem?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?



Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020.
Is

there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
messages?



Thanks very much!



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Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Laz
 

Gene, I've begun to suspect that many people don't know that they can
issue commands, move on, stop reading, etc, when using their computers
and a screen reader. I've been on the hone with some and they let
their screen reader read on and on before moving on to the next thing
they want to do. Some have replied with a dumbfounded "what?" when
I've asked them to stop the screen reader from blabbing on and on. I
guess it's one of those basics they either weren't taught or they
missed when they were taught to use their screen reader. It's very
inefficient and does waste their time.

Stay safe,

Laz

On 2/10/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
But if you just move on as soon as you hear it read or begin to be read, how

are you wasting time? Since you can issue any command at any time when you

are listening to a message that does whatever you want, how does it matter?

In addition, so many e-mails have material below the signature that you
would start to hear that, such as earlier quoted material or the foot notes

that groups put at the ends of messages.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.

Vicky V

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

We'll see what others say, but I doubt it. As far as I know, a signature
is
just a name, no different than the other text in a message. Why is it a
problem?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?



Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020.
Is

there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
messages?



Thanks very much!



Sincerely, Vicky V


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Re: email question

Gene
 

I want to make an important point in case people wonder about it. I am not religious myself but I have great respect for those who are. Some people may wonder about that, having seen my last message.

I never ridicule or dismiss sincere religious beliefs nor the people who hold them. The questions and comments I made in my last message are those of someone who is interested in learning about the beliefs of religions and their history. But I am not antireligion.

I find it very interesting seeing how religious friends put their beliefs into practice and seeing people live by religious belieffs and being enriched by them is one reason I have developed great respect for religion.

Indeed, I see a lot of serious discussion of how to live in religious circles that is often much lacking in secular circles.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:07 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I sent a message to the list about this but I'm not sure it reached it. I
mistakenly sent the message to the list. It was intended for a friend, not
affilliated with the list.

I said that I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wishes
privately. In other words, I enjoy discussing such questions and if people
have comments on the subject, I would enjoy discussing them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 8:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

And what did this have to do with the subject line????

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 06:54
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I've just started looking into the question of Paul and The Law and its very
interesting. The encyclopedia Britanica says that Paul found it difficult
to reconcile the law with his beliefs. It doesn't go into enough detail to
really give a good understanding of how successful his attempted
reconciliation is, though it does briefly discuss how he tries to do it.

It will be very interesting to read more about this.

Another interesting question I may look into is how Christians derive that
Jesus came to save the world. Many of his statements indicate that he
believed that he came mostly to save the Jews, some of his statements
indicate that he believed that was his sole purpose. I'm not sure if he did
or said things that can be construed as indicating that he thought his
mission was universal.

And if there are purported to be such statements, they may be unreliable.
The Book of John is not a reliable source for what Jesus said and to an
extent for what he did. The earlier Gospels are more reliable, I consider
the earlier the Gospel, the more reliable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

people should rread their messages before sending, especially if using
dictation. This isn't just true of list mail, but in general. Dictation
isn't fool proof and it may be embarrassing to send an unread message with a
serious error.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

My take is that perhaps he's using dictation and the speech recognition
misheard the word forward as board?

Stay safe,

Laz

On 10/17/20, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you mean board them to me? Pam.

From: lance allison
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I or someone could just board them to you with your current email
address you use



On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
wrote:

I’d hope that would work, but I find that whenever you contact your
service provider, it just turns into a war about whose fault it is:
the list says it’s your service provider, and your service provider
blames it on the list. I hope she has better luck. Pam.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

Ask the group owner or moderator to send you a bounce probe message,
then once you get it, make sure to activate the link at the end. It's
worth a shot.

If that doesn't do it, I'd check with your e-mail service provider
to see if they're blocking whatever the domain name groups.google.com.
This would be very odd, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Pamela Dominguez
 

I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

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From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you. If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: email question

Gene
 

I sent a message to the list about this but I'm not sure it reached it. I mistakenly sent the message to the list. It was intended for a friend, not affilliated with the list.

I said that I would be happy to discuss it with anyone who wishes privately. In other words, I enjoy discussing such questions and if people have comments on the subject, I would enjoy discussing them.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: gbmagoo@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 8:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

And what did this have to do with the subject line????

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 06:54
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I've just started looking into the question of Paul and The Law and its very interesting. The encyclopedia Britanica says that Paul found it difficult to reconcile the law with his beliefs. It doesn't go into enough detail to really give a good understanding of how successful his attempted reconciliation is, though it does briefly discuss how he tries to do it.

It will be very interesting to read more about this.

Another interesting question I may look into is how Christians derive that Jesus came to save the world. Many of his statements indicate that he believed that he came mostly to save the Jews, some of his statements indicate that he believed that was his sole purpose. I'm not sure if he did or said things that can be construed as indicating that he thought his mission was universal.

And if there are purported to be such statements, they may be unreliable.
The Book of John is not a reliable source for what Jesus said and to an extent for what he did. The earlier Gospels are more reliable, I consider the earlier the Gospel, the more reliable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

people should rread their messages before sending, especially if using dictation. This isn't just true of list mail, but in general. Dictation isn't fool proof and it may be embarrassing to send an unread message with a serious error.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

My take is that perhaps he's using dictation and the speech recognition misheard the word forward as board?

Stay safe,

Laz

On 10/17/20, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you mean board them to me? Pam.

From: lance allison
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I or someone could just board them to you with your current email
address you use



On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
wrote:

I’d hope that would work, but I find that whenever you contact your
service provider, it just turns into a war about whose fault it is:
the list says it’s your service provider, and your service provider
blames it on the list. I hope she has better luck. Pam.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

Ask the group owner or moderator to send you a bounce probe message,
then once you get it, make sure to activate the link at the end. It's
worth a shot.

If that doesn't do it, I'd check with your e-mail service provider
to see if they're blocking whatever the domain name groups.google.com.
This would be very odd, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

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rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Technibble.com




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Re: email question

gbmagoo@...
 

And what did this have to do with the subject line????

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 06:54
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I've just started looking into the question of Paul and The Law and its very interesting. The encyclopedia Britanica says that Paul found it difficult to reconcile the law with his beliefs. It doesn't go into enough detail to really give a good understanding of how successful his attempted reconciliation is, though it does briefly discuss how he tries to do it.

It will be very interesting to read more about this.

Another interesting question I may look into is how Christians derive that Jesus came to save the world. Many of his statements indicate that he believed that he came mostly to save the Jews, some of his statements indicate that he believed that was his sole purpose. I'm not sure if he did or said things that can be construed as indicating that he thought his mission was universal.

And if there are purported to be such statements, they may be unreliable.
The Book of John is not a reliable source for what Jesus said and to an extent for what he did. The earlier Gospels are more reliable, I consider the earlier the Gospel, the more reliable.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

people should rread their messages before sending, especially if using dictation. This isn't just true of list mail, but in general. Dictation isn't fool proof and it may be embarrassing to send an unread message with a serious error.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

My take is that perhaps he's using dictation and the speech recognition misheard the word forward as board?

Stay safe,

Laz

On 10/17/20, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you mean board them to me? Pam.

From: lance allison
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I or someone could just board them to you with your current email
address you use



On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
wrote:

I’d hope that would work, but I find that whenever you contact your
service provider, it just turns into a war about whose fault it is:
the list says it’s your service provider, and your service provider
blames it on the list. I hope she has better luck. Pam.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

Ask the group owner or moderator to send you a bounce probe message,
then once you get it, make sure to activate the link at the end. It's
worth a shot.

If that doesn't do it, I'd check with your e-mail service provider
to see if they're blocking whatever the domain name groups.google.com.
This would be very odd, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

Always remember that computers are just glorified light bulbs - they
rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Technibble.com




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Re: email question

Gene
 

I've just started looking into the question of Paul and The Law and its very interesting. The encyclopedia Britanica says that Paul found it difficult to reconcile the law with his beliefs. It doesn't go into enough detail to really give a good understanding of how successful his attempted reconciliation is, though it does briefly discuss how he tries to do it.

It will be very interesting to read more about this.

Another interesting question I may look into is how Christians derive that Jesus came to save the world. Many of his statements indicate that he believed that he came mostly to save the Jews, some of his statements indicate that he believed that was his sole purpose. I'm not sure if he did or said things that can be construed as indicating that he thought his mission was universal.

And if there are purported to be such statements, they may be unreliable. The Book of John is not a reliable source for what Jesus said and to an extent for what he did. The earlier Gospels are more reliable, I consider the earlier the Gospel, the more reliable.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

people should rread their messages before sending, especially if using
dictation. This isn't just true of list mail, but in general. Dictation
isn't fool proof and it may be embarrassing to send an unread message with a
serious error.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Laz
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 9:33 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

My take is that perhaps he's using dictation and the speech
recognition misheard the word forward as board?

Stay safe,

Laz

On 10/17/20, Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you mean board them to me? Pam.

From: lance allison
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 4:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

I or someone could just board them to you with your current email address
you use



On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 1:58 PM Pamela Dominguez <pammygirl99@gmail.com>
wrote:

I’d hope that would work, but I find that whenever you contact your
service provider, it just turns into a war about whose fault it is: the list
says it’s your service provider, and your service provider blames it on the
list. I hope she has better luck. Pam.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2020 11:13 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] email question

Ask the group owner or moderator to send you a bounce probe message, then
once you get it, make sure to activate the link at the end. It's worth a
shot.

If that doesn't do it, I'd check with your e-mail service provider to see
if they're blocking whatever the domain name groups.google.com. This would
be very odd, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

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rarely fail in continuous use and usually go pop when turned off and on.

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Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Gene
 

But if you just move on as soon as you hear it read or begin to be read, how are you wasting time? Since you can issue any command at any time when you are listening to a message that does whatever you want, how does it matter?

In addition, so many e-mails have material below the signature that you would start to hear that, such as earlier quoted material or the foot notes that groups put at the ends of messages.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.

Vicky V

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

We'll see what others say, but I doubt it. As far as I know, a signature is
just a name, no different than the other text in a message. Why is it a
problem?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?



Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020. Is

there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
messages?



Thanks very much!



Sincerely, Vicky V


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Re: Skipping the reading of signatures?

Vicky Vaughan
 

Hi Gene, It's not really a problem, it's just time waisted in my opinion.

Vicky V

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 10:17 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?

We'll see what others say, but I doubt it. As far as I know, a signature is
just a name, no different than the other text in a message. Why is it a
problem?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vicky Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Skipping the reading of signatures?



Hi Group, I am using Outlook 365 on a Windows 10 desktop with Jaws 2020. Is

there anyway to command Jaws to not read the signatures at the end of
messages?



Thanks very much!



Sincerely, Vicky V


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Re: victor stream bookshelf toots

Monte Single
 

Hi Marie,

 

Here are links for the files on sendspace;

 

https://www.sendspace.com/file/1rma60

 

 

https://www.sendspace.com/file/1n7km4

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marie Nelson
Sent: February 9, 2021 9:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] victor stream bookshelf toots

 

I can go to the folder but can’t seem to download the files. I have checked them but the download link does nothing?

 

From: Monte Single

Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 12:10 PM

To: techtalk@groups.io

Subject: [TechTalk] victor stream bookshelf toots

 

Hi List,

 

Below is a link to a folder on my p cloud drive.

It contains 2 siles, in mp3 format,  on working with the bookshelves on the victor stream 2nd  gen.

These files were made by Gerry Chevalier of the Canadian Council of the Blind.

The files were posted in oct. of last year.

 

The CCB web page is at;

 

https://ccbnational.net/

 

Here is the link for the folder;

 

 

https://u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=kZjCChXZoPJCafr6pxSaGdemhEyFkkaxX6IX

 

 

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