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Re: Youtube TV question

Steven Johnson <saxmonger@...>
 

Thanks Michael.  I’m going to give it a try with Apple TV.  Are you able to read what is playing on each channel?  My wife won’t even consider dealing with it if she can only hear channel names spoken.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Mote
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Youtube TV question

 

Hi there. I use Youtube TV on both my iPhone and my Apple TV, and I am happy with it. It works very well on the iPhone, and fairly well on the Apple TV as well. You will enjoy the experience I think.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 1:43 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Youtube TV question

 

Good day folks.  My wife and I would like to divorce Xfinity cable.  My in-laws who are sighted have Youtube TV, and it seems to have every channel that we like.  Is there an accessible configuration that I could try that would allow us to read the channel names as well as the guide on Youtube TV?  Would an Amazon Fire TV box with the Youtube TV app installed speak the channel names as well as the guide which tells us what is on?  Do you folks know of a smart TV with voice guidance that would read everything that the Youtube TV app shows on the screen?  We really want Youtube TV, and we need voice guidance to help us navigate and figure out what is showing.  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Re: Youtube TV question

Michael Mote
 

Hi there. I use Youtube TV on both my iPhone and my Apple TV, and I am happy with it. It works very well on the iPhone, and fairly well on the Apple TV as well. You will enjoy the experience I think.

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steven Johnson
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 1:43 PM
To: techtalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Youtube TV question

 

Good day folks.  My wife and I would like to divorce Xfinity cable.  My in-laws who are sighted have Youtube TV, and it seems to have every channel that we like.  Is there an accessible configuration that I could try that would allow us to read the channel names as well as the guide on Youtube TV?  Would an Amazon Fire TV box with the Youtube TV app installed speak the channel names as well as the guide which tells us what is on?  Do you folks know of a smart TV with voice guidance that would read everything that the Youtube TV app shows on the screen?  We really want Youtube TV, and we need voice guidance to help us navigate and figure out what is showing.  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Youtube TV question

Steven Johnson <saxmonger@...>
 

Good day folks.  My wife and I would like to divorce Xfinity cable.  My in-laws who are sighted have Youtube TV, and it seems to have every channel that we like.  Is there an accessible configuration that I could try that would allow us to read the channel names as well as the guide on Youtube TV?  Would an Amazon Fire TV box with the Youtube TV app installed speak the channel names as well as the guide which tells us what is on?  Do you folks know of a smart TV with voice guidance that would read everything that the Youtube TV app shows on the screen?  We really want Youtube TV, and we need voice guidance to help us navigate and figure out what is showing.  Thanks in advance for your thoughts.


Re: plextalk

Pamela Dominguez
 

The Plextor that I have is a cd player.  The Plextalk records on SD cards and fits in a pocket.  It is called the Plextalk Pocket.  Pam.
 

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 12:02 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] plextalk
 

Hey all,

So I’ve heard of this thing. Isn’t it a CD recorder which talks?

Did they stop producing it?

I remember hearing about it years ago but do not remember what it is.

Thanks

John

 


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Audiobook Players for the BrailleNote Touch Plus?

Debbie April Yuille
 

Hi All

 

Does anyone have any recommendations for an audiobook player for the BrailleNote Touch Plus that plays M4B books? Both Smart Audiobook Play and Listen Audiobook Player do not work.

 

Thanks

Debbie


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

John Holcomb II
 

There's got to be some way for Google to know it’s a human and not a bot without installing keyloggers.
Wonder how this is done?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

It would be an interesting comparison. You would have to do many each way perhaps a large number for comparison. But if you received automatic clearance just by being signed into a Google account, even if you were limited to a certain number a day or hour or in some way, bots could just keep switching accounts. It makes no logical sense to provide this exemption.


Gene

On 3/7/2021 5:12 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Geen,
So I've not tried this while not signed into a google account.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I meant to say space.

It is illogical that the check box works one way if you are signed into a Google account and another if you aren't. If people say that they never, even after using the check box a lot of times, have to answer an audio captcha, I'll consider that maybe the claim is correct. If people report that even rarely, they have to use an audio captcha, that will prove it to be wrong.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 9:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Hey Gene,
I hit space not enter. Have you tried using the spacebar to check the
box and not enter to see if your results change?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and
Edge. I have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically
approved just because I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is.
Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer
would have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot
activate the check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the
captcha is to evaluate whether the user is a human, not whether the
user is signed into a Google account.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome,
your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have
encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have
always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But
the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave
and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received
authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary
recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may
recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the
captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it
isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the
page and infers whether the person is a human. If that inference
indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is
presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a
captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha
can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether
the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a
machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be
worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words
solves the capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to
solve an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check
box. You should be able to use the check box with other browsers as
well. I don't think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to
bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim














































Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gene
 

It would be an interesting comparison.  You would have to do many each way perhaps a large number for comparison.  But if you received automatic clearance just by being signed into a Google account, even if you were limited to a certain number a day or hour or in some way, bots could just keep switching accounts.  It makes no logical sense to provide this exemption.


Gene

On 3/7/2021 5:12 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
Hey Geen,
So I've not tried this while not signed into a google account.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I meant to say space.

It is illogical that the check box works one way if you are signed into a Google account and another if you aren't. If people say that they never, even after using the check box a lot of times, have to answer an audio captcha, I'll consider that maybe the claim is correct. If people report that even rarely, they have to use an audio captcha, that will prove it to be wrong.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 9:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Hey Gene,
I hit space not enter. Have you tried using the spacebar to check the box
and not enter to see if your results change?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and Edge. I
have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically approved just because
I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is.
Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer would
have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot activate the
check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the captcha is to evaluate
whether the user is a human, not whether the user is signed into a Google
account.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your
analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I
am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass
visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other
Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to
Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas
with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other
browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so
bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and
hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't
a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and
infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user
isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted
user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At
times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an
extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human
but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a
machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be
worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim













































android notetakers: your thoughts?

John Holcomb II
 

Hey all,

So I’m curious  to your opinions of them (for those  who have one.)

Do people other than ones in school have or use these things?

Are there advantages ,disadvantages?

Who makes them?

I know there is the Humanwhere Braille Note Plus.

I believe  Hims inc. makes one?

Are there any others in this space?

Or do just those t two support android.

What kinda specs are on these devices and how are they with security and  keeping up with newer android versions?

Are they data only devices or can you make phone calls with them?

I believe they have  both cell modems and wifi?

  What kinda internal storage is there?

Are you able to choose the amount of storage/ram/processor with any of these?

Do any have QWERTY keyboards? Or is it braille keyboards only?

Do they  have touch screen, USB-C? fingerprint readers?

Could you use Google Pay on them, or do they work with Google Assistant?

Any idea of what kinda a DAC is in these things?

Thanks all!

John

 


Re: Victor Trek, is it worth the money?

Joe Orozco
 

Hi, I owned a Victor Trek and sold it. It’s a great product, but my
phone does a more dynamic job of providing navigation. I have a Victor
Reader 2nd generation and do love the better battery and physical
buttons. It’s just the GPS function I did not fully appreciate on the
latter. Hope this helps.

Joe

On 3/7/21, Walter Ramage via groups.io <wpr=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hi all. When the Victor Trek was first due for release I placed a preorder
however I cancelled that preorder as other things took priority at that
time. I am now again thinking about purchasing this item. It has been on
the market for a while now and I would like to get your feedback if you own
one of these devices. It is an expensive item and thus I don't want to
waist my money. I do have a Victor Strasa12m player and though I like it I
had to send it back for repair and once it returned after about a year the
same problem re-occurred. When I returned it the first time they took the
easy option and changed the board rather than trying to find out the
problem. After the second episode I have stored it away for emergency use
and bought a Plextalk and I've had no trouble with this machine since I got
it. So this might give you an idea of why I would like feedback regarding
the Victor trek as I'm not too sure about the reliability of their
products.
However I must balance this by saying I have the Trekker Breeze Plus and
although I've not used it much in recent times it hasn't given me any
trouble apart from a battery replacement.



So if you have, an use the Victor Trek what is your experience and would
you
recommend it. Any opinions would be appreciated. Walter.









Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

John Holcomb II
 

Hey Geen,
So I've not tried this while not signed into a google account.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 1:20 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I meant to say space.

It is illogical that the check box works one way if you are signed into a Google account and another if you aren't. If people say that they never, even after using the check box a lot of times, have to answer an audio captcha, I'll consider that maybe the claim is correct. If people report that even rarely, they have to use an audio captcha, that will prove it to be wrong.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 9:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Hey Gene,
I hit space not enter. Have you tried using the spacebar to check the box
and not enter to see if your results change?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and Edge. I
have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically approved just because
I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is.
Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer would
have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot activate the
check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the captcha is to evaluate
whether the user is a human, not whether the user is signed into a Google
account.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your
analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I
am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass
visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other
Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to
Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas
with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other
browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so
bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and
hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't
a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and
infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user
isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted
user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At
times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an
extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human
but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a
machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be
worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim


Re: plextalk

Monte Single
 

There  is more than 1 plextalk product.  There is the plextalk pocket which is similar to the victor reader stream.

 

There is another unit which creates and plays cds.

 

Check it out at;

 

http://www.plextalk.com/americas/

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: March 7, 2021 11:03 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] plextalk

 

Hey all,

So I’ve heard of this thing. Isn’t it a CD recorder which talks?

Did they stop producing it?

I remember hearing about it years ago but do not remember what it is.

Thanks

John

 


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Jim Rawls
 

Keep me posted on this please. Maybe in California, I can do the same. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 10:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

 

 

Oh, don't get me started.  In New York City, it has been almost impossible to make vaccination appointments online, and so beginning today, homebound seniors can submit a form and be contacted by the city to arrange to get the J&J vaccine in their homes.  I'm not holding my breath.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/7/2021 1:33 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

Gerald, where do you find that form, and how does it work? Who is eligible to use that/? Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 4:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

 

 

As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home.  There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim





















Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gerald Levy
 


Oh, don't get me started.  In New York City, it has been almost impossible to make vaccination appointments online, and so beginning today, homebound seniors can submit a form and be contacted by the city to arrange to get the J&J vaccine in their homes.  I'm not holding my breath.


Gerald



On 3/7/2021 1:33 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:

Gerald, where do you find that form, and how does it work? Who is eligible to use that/? Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 4:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

 

 

As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home.  There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim






















Re: facebook

Nikola Mogin
 

mbasic.facebook.com

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mike Gurney
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 7:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] facebook

 

Hello everyone

 

 

 

I believe there is an address which works better with screen readers but

I've lost the address.

 

 

Sorry if this is a bit vague

 

 

Mike.

 

Can anyone tell me if there is a more accessible facebook page.

 

--

Mike Gurney

  Tel 01908560380

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Jim Rawls
 

Gerald, where do you find that form, and how does it work? Who is eligible to use that/? Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 4:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

 

 

As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home.  There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim






















facebook

Mike Gurney
 

Hello everyone



I believe there is an address which works better with screen readers but I've lost the address.


Sorry if this is a bit vague


Mike.

Can anyone tell me if there is a more accessible facebook page.

--
Mike Gurney
Tel 01908560380


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gene
 

I meant to say space.

It is illogical that the check box works one way if you are signed into a Google account and another if you aren't. If people say that they never, even after using the check box a lot of times, have to answer an audio captcha, I'll consider that maybe the claim is correct. If people report that even rarely, they have to use an audio captcha, that will prove it to be wrong.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 9:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Hey Gene,
I hit space not enter. Have you tried using the spacebar to check the box and not enter to see if your results change?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and Edge. I have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically approved just because I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is.
Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer would have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot activate the check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the captcha is to evaluate whether the user is a human, not whether the user is signed into a Google account.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim


plextalk

John Holcomb II
 

Hey all,

So I’ve heard of this thing. Isn’t it a CD recorder which talks?

Did they stop producing it?

I remember hearing about it years ago but do not remember what it is.

Thanks

John

 


Victor Trek, is it worth the money?

Walter Ramage
 

Hi all.  When the Victor Trek was first due for release I placed a preorder however I cancelled that preorder as other things took priority at that time.  I am now again thinking about purchasing this item.  It has been on the market for a while now and I would like to get your feedback if you own one of these devices.  It is an expensive item and thus I don’t want to waist my money.  I do have a Victor Strasa12m player and though I like it I had to send it back for repair and once it returned after about a year the same problem re-occurred.  When I returned it the first time they took the easy option and changed the board rather than trying to find out the problem.  After the second episode I have stored it away for emergency use and bought a Plextalk and I’ve had no trouble with this machine since I got it.  So this might give you an idea of why I would like feedback regarding the Victor trek as I’m not too sure about the reliability of their products.  However I must balance this by saying I have the Trekker Breeze Plus and although I’ve not used it much in recent times it hasn’t given me any trouble apart from a battery replacement.

 

So if you have, an use the Victor Trek what is your experience and would you recommend it.  Any opinions would be appreciated.  Walter.

 


Re: Acrobat Reader DC

Allen West
 

I would love to use Edge to open PDF's. The problem here is that for
my job, I have to complete PDF forms that have edit fields. When using
Edge with both JAWS and NVDA, the edit fields were not detectable.
Switching to Adobe solved the problem.
If you can tell me how this can be done with Edge, I would love to try it.

Allen

On 3/7/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

While it is all well and good that you can change the default open file
for any and all documents, I personally prefer the Microsoft Edge
browser to open PDF documents. time and time again, I have found that it
renders PDF content in a more accurate and orderly form than does
Acrobat Reader. This of course, if while using a screen reader and the
virtual buffer that is a part of all major screen readers now of days.
I have no idea if this is true for sighted usage.


On 3/6/2021 10:53 PM, Allen West wrote:
Thanks for this. It should have that easy. I had to go into the
Control Panel on both computers and Enter on the Default Apps link and
Enter on Change Account Types, select Adobe Acrobat and Shift F10 on
it. Then I had to select Change and run a repair. After that, I was
able to perform the steps you posted.

Allen

On 3/5/21, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Windows updates tend to change things. To change it back, do the
following:


1. Find a PDF with File Explorer.

2. Open the Properties sheet for the PDF you found by pressing
ALT+ENTER.

3. Tab to the "Change" button, or press its shortcut, ALT+C.

4. Use the Up and Down Arrow keys to find Adobe Acrobat Reader DC in the
list of applications for opening Portable Document Format files.

5. Tab to and activate the OK button.

6. Tab to and activate the Apply button, or press its shortcut key,
ALT+A. NOTE: If no change was made in Step 4, the Apply button will
either be grayed, dimmed, or just plain not on the screen. Don't worry
if you can't find it, and if you press ALT+A and it isn't there, nothing
will happen.

7. Press ENTER to close the Properties sheet dialog.


All done.


On 3/5/2021 9:18 AM, Allen West wrote:
Hi,

I have always been able to make Acrobat Reader DC the default for
opening PDF's. In the past week, I have tried to make this change on
two computers. The default is MS Edge. Has something changed?
I'm trying to help two friends. If you know, please let me know.

Thanks

Alllen









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