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Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Jim Rawls
 

Gerald, where do you find that form, and how does it work? Who is eligible to use that/? Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2021 4:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

 

 

As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home.  There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim






















facebook

Mike Gurney
 

Hello everyone



I believe there is an address which works better with screen readers but I've lost the address.


Sorry if this is a bit vague


Mike.

Can anyone tell me if there is a more accessible facebook page.

--
Mike Gurney
Tel 01908560380


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gene
 

I meant to say space.

It is illogical that the check box works one way if you are signed into a Google account and another if you aren't. If people say that they never, even after using the check box a lot of times, have to answer an audio captcha, I'll consider that maybe the claim is correct. If people report that even rarely, they have to use an audio captcha, that will prove it to be wrong.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 9:01 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Hey Gene,
I hit space not enter. Have you tried using the spacebar to check the box and not enter to see if your results change?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and Edge. I have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically approved just because I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is.
Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer would have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot activate the check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the captcha is to evaluate whether the user is a human, not whether the user is signed into a Google account.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim


plextalk

John Holcomb II
 

Hey all,

So I’ve heard of this thing. Isn’t it a CD recorder which talks?

Did they stop producing it?

I remember hearing about it years ago but do not remember what it is.

Thanks

John

 


Victor Trek, is it worth the money?

Walter Ramage
 

Hi all.  When the Victor Trek was first due for release I placed a preorder however I cancelled that preorder as other things took priority at that time.  I am now again thinking about purchasing this item.  It has been on the market for a while now and I would like to get your feedback if you own one of these devices.  It is an expensive item and thus I don’t want to waist my money.  I do have a Victor Strasa12m player and though I like it I had to send it back for repair and once it returned after about a year the same problem re-occurred.  When I returned it the first time they took the easy option and changed the board rather than trying to find out the problem.  After the second episode I have stored it away for emergency use and bought a Plextalk and I’ve had no trouble with this machine since I got it.  So this might give you an idea of why I would like feedback regarding the Victor trek as I’m not too sure about the reliability of their products.  However I must balance this by saying I have the Trekker Breeze Plus and although I’ve not used it much in recent times it hasn’t given me any trouble apart from a battery replacement.

 

So if you have, an use the Victor Trek what is your experience and would you recommend it.  Any opinions would be appreciated.  Walter.

 


Re: Acrobat Reader DC

Allen West
 

I would love to use Edge to open PDF's. The problem here is that for
my job, I have to complete PDF forms that have edit fields. When using
Edge with both JAWS and NVDA, the edit fields were not detectable.
Switching to Adobe solved the problem.
If you can tell me how this can be done with Edge, I would love to try it.

Allen

On 3/7/21, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Group,

While it is all well and good that you can change the default open file
for any and all documents, I personally prefer the Microsoft Edge
browser to open PDF documents. time and time again, I have found that it
renders PDF content in a more accurate and orderly form than does
Acrobat Reader. This of course, if while using a screen reader and the
virtual buffer that is a part of all major screen readers now of days.
I have no idea if this is true for sighted usage.


On 3/6/2021 10:53 PM, Allen West wrote:
Thanks for this. It should have that easy. I had to go into the
Control Panel on both computers and Enter on the Default Apps link and
Enter on Change Account Types, select Adobe Acrobat and Shift F10 on
it. Then I had to select Change and run a repair. After that, I was
able to perform the steps you posted.

Allen

On 3/5/21, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Windows updates tend to change things. To change it back, do the
following:


1. Find a PDF with File Explorer.

2. Open the Properties sheet for the PDF you found by pressing
ALT+ENTER.

3. Tab to the "Change" button, or press its shortcut, ALT+C.

4. Use the Up and Down Arrow keys to find Adobe Acrobat Reader DC in the
list of applications for opening Portable Document Format files.

5. Tab to and activate the OK button.

6. Tab to and activate the Apply button, or press its shortcut key,
ALT+A. NOTE: If no change was made in Step 4, the Apply button will
either be grayed, dimmed, or just plain not on the screen. Don't worry
if you can't find it, and if you press ALT+A and it isn't there, nothing
will happen.

7. Press ENTER to close the Properties sheet dialog.


All done.


On 3/5/2021 9:18 AM, Allen West wrote:
Hi,

I have always been able to make Acrobat Reader DC the default for
opening PDF's. In the past week, I have tried to make this change on
two computers. The default is MS Edge. Has something changed?
I'm trying to help two friends. If you know, please let me know.

Thanks

Alllen









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I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"







Re: TNeed Tablet recommendation

Marie Nelson <scribbles.mn@...>
 

A friend of mine got a Lenovo tablet running Win 10 and really likes it.
 

From: Michael Amaro
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 10:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TNeed Tablet recommendation
 
with voice assistant.  Or windows 10

From: Ashley Breger via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:35 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TNeed Tablet recommendation

Hello Michael,
Were you looking for a tablet with are you voice assistant or just a general android tablet? Feel free to email me off list to discuss this further.
 
Ashley

On Mar 6, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:


Hello Listers,
 
I am  looking in to purchasing a tablet.  I want to be able to use zoom browse the net email listen to music.  Any help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email:
 
 
JFK"What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


episode 13 of Blind Android users podcast is now ready for you to listen.

 

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We hear from special guest, Rushikesh Kamewar, who talks to us about
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This week, Austin shows us how to uninstall Samsung Talkback on
Samsung phones running Android 11 and install Google Talkback
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Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

John Holcomb II
 

Hey Gene,
I hit space not enter. Have you tried using the spacebar to check the box and not enter to see if your results change?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:45 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and Edge. I have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically approved just because I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is.
Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer would have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot activate the check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the captcha is to evaluate whether the user is a human, not whether the user is signed into a Google account.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

John Holcomb II
 

Hey Gerald,

Edge is a  Chromium based browsers, and yes, the “I’m not a robot” checkbox works the same in  Edge.

It lets me sign into sites and use forums and that without the  need for audio capchas or them getting in my way in general.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 7:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

 

 

As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home.  There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:

 

Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   

 

Gerald

 

 

On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:

The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim






















Re: TNeed Tablet recommendation

John Holcomb II
 

Then either Samsung or Microsoft Surface would  be your best bet.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Amaro
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 1:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TNeed Tablet recommendation

 

with voice assistant.  Or windows 10

 

Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:35 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TNeed Tablet recommendation

 

Hello Michael,

Were you looking for a tablet with are you voice assistant or just a general android tablet? Feel free to email me off list to discuss this further.

 

Ashley



On Mar 6, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:



Hello Listers,

 

I am  looking in to purchasing a tablet.  I want to be able to use zoom browse the net email listen to music.  Any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Michael

 

Email:

 

 

JFK"What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gene
 

I didn't say you are never approved. You have described one instance. it may happen a number of times. One instance means nothing.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 6:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home. There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.




Gerald








On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:





Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gene
 

I have used Chrome and I use Chrome based browsers like Brave and Edge. I have found instances where Chrome isn't automatically approved just because I press enter on the check box. And think of how illogical your claim is. Let's say a spammer wanted to get around captchas. All the spammer would have to do is be signed into Google and he could have a bot activate the check box on any site with this kind of captcha. the captcha is to evaluate whether the user is a human, not whether the user is signed into a Google account.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2021 5:18 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com






Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.





Gerald








On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human. If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the check box. You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well. I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes. If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Jaffar Sidek
 

    I am extensively an Opera browser user, and I've  never had any trouble going through the "i'm not a robot" checkbox on any website.  Cheers!

On 7/3/2021 7:18 pm, Gerald Levy via groups.io wrote:
> > > Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, > your analysis is not accurate. Using Chrome, whenever I have > encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have > always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges. But > the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave > and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received > authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary > recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may > recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the > captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing > impaired. > > > Gerald > > > > On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote: >> The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using >> it isn't a robot. the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on >> the page and infers whether the person is a human. If that >> inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual >> captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get >> an audio captcha. >> >> At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a >> captcha. At times they aren't. I don't know if I believe the >> captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and >> infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate. >> >> If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then >> a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would >> be worthless. >> >> Gene -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II Sent: >> Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io >> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com >> >> But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In other words >> solves the capcha. John >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: main@TechTalk.groups.io >> <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Sent: Saturday, March >> 06, 2021 7:04 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: >> [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com >> >> You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have >> to solve an audio captcha. Either may happen after you check the >> check box. You should be able to use the check box with other >> browsers as well. I don't think it works with Internet Explorer. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II Sent: Saturday, >> March 06, 2021 5:54 PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io Subject: Re: >> [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com >> >> >> >> Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf >> Of Gerald Levy via groups.io Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 >> PM To: main@TechTalk.groups.io


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gerald Levy
 


As a follow-up, I just completed an online form using Google Chrome to request the Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine at home.  There was an"I am not a robot" check box, which I checked, and I was able to submit the form successfully without being confronted with a visual captcha or audio challenge.


Gerald



On 3/7/2021 6:18 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:


Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   


Gerald



On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim























Re: TNeed Tablet recommendation

 

Then I would recommend a Samsung tablet.

Ashley

On Mar 7, 2021, at 12:27 AM, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:


with voice assistant.  Or windows 10

Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TNeed Tablet recommendation

Hello Michael,
Were you looking for a tablet with are you voice assistant or just a general android tablet? Feel free to email me off list to discuss this further.

Ashley

On Mar 6, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:


Hello Listers,
 
I am  looking in to purchasing a tablet.  I want to be able to use zoom browse the net email listen to music.  Any help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email:
 
 
JFK"What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Gerald Levy
 


Gene, because you, by your own admission, do not use Google Chrome, your analysis is not accurate.  Using Chrome, whenever I have encountered an "I am not a robot" check box and checked it, I have always been able to bypass visual captchas and audio challenges.  But the same may not be true of other Chromium based browsers like Brave and Edge, because they are rivals to Chrome and so have not received authorization from Google to bypass captchas with its proprietary recaptcha system. I suspect that Chrome, unlike other browsers, may recognize that the user is using a screen reader and so bypasses the captcha step to make the process accessible to the blind and hearing impaired.   


Gerald



On 3/6/2021 7:35 PM, Gene wrote:
The check box is intended to show the captcha that the person using it isn't a robot.  the captcha analyzes the way the mouse moves on the page and infers whether the person is a human.  If that inference indicates the user isn't a human, or may not be, a visual captcha is presented to the sighted user and a blind user can get an audio captcha.

At times those working from the keyboard are approved without a captcha.  At times they aren't.  I don't know if I believe the captcha can tell to an extent if someone is using a keyboard and infer whether the user is a human but it isn't nearly as accurate.

If only a checkbox were used without the analysis I described, then a machine would be able to check the checkbox and the captcha would be worthless.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

But the checkbox verifies that he's not a robot. In  other words solves the
capcha.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 7:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

You don't bypass the captcha. You may be approved or you may have to solve
an audio captcha.  Either may happen after you check the check box.  You
should be able to use the check box with other browsers as well.  I don't
think it works with Internet Explorer.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 5:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com



Or a Chromium based browser (such as Microsoft Edge.)







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald
Levy via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 4:22 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com







If memory serves, the Next Door site has one of those "I am not a robot"
check boxes.  If you use Google Chrome, you can check this box to bypass the

captcha.



Gerald







On 3/6/2021 2:42 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



Hi all, I am running jaws 18 and windows ten. I am trying to join
nexgtdoor.com and it has a captcha thing. How do I get past that? Jim























Re: having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com

Shelly Kane
 

Hi Group:


I found that with next door, it was very difficult for me using the app.  I get a daily digest on the computer that comes in my email and I can enter on the link and hit H for heading and then I can read what's there.  I find the computer is easier to comment on things.  When I was using the app, whenever I clicked on my notifications, I had trouble reading and responding to stuff on there.  If you know of an easier way to use this app, please let me know.

Shelly

On 3/6/2021 8:05 PM, Andy wrote:
Actually Nextdoor was a big help to me last spring when i couldn't locate face masks.  it seemed like every place was sold out,a nd it would take two months to get them from Amazon.  I put out an inquiry on nextdoor, and got several responses from folks in my neighborhood who were making masks at home.  Some folks charged a little, but many were giving them out for free.

Andy

----- Original Message ----- From: "Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc." <ukekearuaro@valtdnet.com>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2021 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] having trouble joining nexrtdoor.com


Jim is an Androidean!  We run into each other regularly in our Androidville
Village Square.  Yes, NextDoor is also an Android app and signing up with it
is so much easier than trying to do it on a computer.

Personally, I find the app really, really boring!  Virtually everyone on
there in my neighbourhood are always LOSING THEIR DOGS AND CATS!  I do
wonder why they bother to have pets of any kind when they're not
particularly ready and available to care for and protect their pets.  I
don't have a pet for two reasons:  First, I am allergic to fur and constant
shedding may send me gate crashing seven feet below this ground; second, I'm
NOT AVAILABLE to care for a pet and it will be a sin to neglect it assuming
I find one that won't shed hair at all.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado









.


Re: TNeed Tablet recommendation

Michael Amaro
 

with voice assistant.  Or windows 10

Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TNeed Tablet recommendation

Hello Michael,
Were you looking for a tablet with are you voice assistant or just a general android tablet? Feel free to email me off list to discuss this further.

Ashley

On Mar 6, 2021, at 7:40 PM, Michael Amaro <mikeameli@...> wrote:


Hello Listers,
 
I am  looking in to purchasing a tablet.  I want to be able to use zoom browse the net email listen to music.  Any help would be appreciated.
 
Thanks
 
Michael
 
Email:
 
 
JFK"What kind of peace do I mean? What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children--not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women--not merely peace in our time but peace for all time."


Re: Acrobat Reader DC

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

While it is all well and good that you can change the default open file for any and all documents, I personally prefer the Microsoft Edge browser to open PDF documents. time and time again, I have found that it renders PDF content in a more accurate and orderly form than does Acrobat Reader.  This of course, if while using a screen reader and the virtual buffer that is a part of all major screen readers now of days.  I have no idea if this is true for sighted usage.

On 3/6/2021 10:53 PM, Allen West wrote:
Thanks for this. It should have that easy. I had to go into the
Control Panel on both computers and Enter on the Default Apps link and
Enter on Change Account Types, select Adobe Acrobat and Shift F10 on
it. Then I had to select Change and run a repair. After that, I was
able to perform the steps you posted.

Allen

On 3/5/21, Steve Matzura <number6@noisynotes.com> wrote:
Windows updates tend to change things. To change it back, do the following:


1. Find a PDF with File Explorer.

2. Open the Properties sheet for the PDF you found by pressing ALT+ENTER.

3. Tab to the "Change" button, or press its shortcut, ALT+C.

4. Use the Up and Down Arrow keys to find Adobe Acrobat Reader DC in the
list of applications for opening Portable Document Format files.

5. Tab to and activate the OK button.

6. Tab to and activate the Apply button, or press its shortcut key,
ALT+A. NOTE: If no change was made in Step 4, the Apply button will
either be grayed, dimmed, or just plain not on the screen. Don't worry
if you can't find it, and if you press ALT+A and it isn't there, nothing
will happen.

7. Press ENTER to close the Properties sheet dialog.


All done.


On 3/5/2021 9:18 AM, Allen West wrote:
Hi,

I have always been able to make Acrobat Reader DC the default for
opening PDF's. In the past week, I have tried to make this change on
two computers. The default is MS Edge. Has something changed?
I'm trying to help two friends. If you know, please let me know.

Thanks

Alllen








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