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Re: more secure e-mail

Thomas N. Chan
 

My point after a brief search about fastmail is, fastmail itself don't even provide end to end encryption. What's security to you then?
They use your data for analytics purposes but people say its breaching  of their data and they are sharing. So long they are not sharing with other people, using your data to see how you use their service and give you suggestion how they can help you is wrong to a lot of people?
Beside the point, Gmail provide you free email service, 15gb. storage. Provider usually don't give that much and you usually pay for higher   tier of storage. If you want security, trust your provider or trust your own. Or just host your own email service.
That's my point and take on security of email.

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 06:32, Hope Williamson <webspinner@...> wrote:

People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

    I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like Thunderbird, if you wanted to.

On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
Is there any reason why you  don't wish  to use google or microsoft as your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc. 
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



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Regards,
Thomas N. Chan



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Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


Re: Missing Network Name

Janet
 

Mike,

Another thing your friend might try is to go to the Airplane mode, and turn it off and turn it back on, and then try to go back to the network, and see if he can see his network then.   

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 10:24 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Missing Network Name

 

Hi All,

 

A friend asked me the following and I've never had this problem before or have I heard how to fix something like this.  My suggestion was to plug his laptop into the modem / router with an ethernet cable.  Can someone here help him out?

 

Hey Mike,
I tried to call hoping to catch you. I have an interview tomorrow via Zoom and discovered earlier today that my laptop will not connect to the internet. Looking into it a little deeper, I discovered my network user name has disappeared from the list of available WiFi networks.
I have spent quite a bit of time talking with Microsoft, Xfinity’s advanced tech support, and watched a few YouTube videos addressing the problem. None of them have fix the problem. I added a HotSpot package to my cell plan. It will not show up in the list either. It will connect to BlueTooth, but will not permit internet access. Other networks are appearing in the list, just not mine. My son had no problems logging on using the iMac. I am at a loss, have you experienced this before? Do you know how to fix this?
 
All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks much.

   

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: Braille Displays

Cristóbal
 

Hello Joe,
I’m going to have to see how the 80 cell display I bought holds up, if I’m comfortable with it, I might just stick with the beast sitting on my desk and the 40 cell
Brailliant to use with my laptop and iPhone.
To answer your question though, the reason I narrowed my choices to the Mantis and Orbit is while I'm a good enough Braille reader and indeed, am literate in both grade 2 English and Spanish is that I never really learned or at least learned young enough to type with the Perkins style keyboard (I'm actually more comfortable with the slate and stylus). Much less all the cords and especially when working on the PC with all the special commands for using control, shift, alt, tab, the F keys and so on.
This is why I was drawn to the Mantis and my guess is why it's become a huge hit for Braille readers who just aren't as proficient with the Perkins typing aspect or just prefer the qwerty keyboard. That and again, when needing to use the keys mentioned above, it's just not as fluid and feels like it takes more steps just to punch in a control+shift+whatever command. Multiply that by God knows how many keystroke commands throughout the day and yeah, no thanks.
The reason I was also considering the Orbit 40 cell display was among other reasons, it seems like it offers over all more than the Mantis and yes, it's cheaper.
That and while I mentioned that I'm not really a Perkins keyboard typist, that's not a make or break issue since I mostly use my displays on my computers and not as much with my iPhone at least for right now.
Also, I like my desktop's cherry brown MX mechanical keyboard. So replacing it with something like the Mantis or even for my laptop seems rather superfluous That and the Mantis doesn't have a numpad. Yes, you can simply buy a wireless numpad, but then that would just be something else to carry around or keep track of and connect.
So there you go, plusses and minuses for both displays and all that.
Again, the other displays really don't call my attention. Either way too expensive, not keen on Android OS longevity or absolutely don't want anything smaller than 40 cells.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 6:58 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Displays

Cristóbal,

What factors are you considering when deciding between the Orbit 40 and the Mantis 40? I mean, other than one is Perkins keyboard and the other QWERTY? I'm sitting on a Braille Sense U2 at the moment. It is a fully functional notetaker but is no longer being supported by HIMS.
I'm actually satisfied with what it does. I'm drawn to the Mantis, because although I don't mind typing in Braille, the Braille translation on iOS, in my personal opinion, leaves something to be desired. The Mantis would eliminate that issue and provide me Braille.
The Orbit, on the other hand, is $1,100 cheaper, and based on my observation of the 20-cell model, has excellent Braille quality. I'm not the biggest fan of the space bar located below the Braille display, which, I know, is probably shallow of me and likely something I could get used to. Anyway, thanks in advance for your response.

Joe


On 4/6/21, Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:
I am reluctant to invest so much money on any Android based display or
note taker. When you start talking about five or six thousand dollar
devices, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect to be able to use
such a device for many many years. Being Android based as some of
these newer devices are, that's just simply not going to be the case.
I made a similar argument to Brian Hartgen over Twitter when he was
touting the Polaris a a business friendly device. He dismissed me at
first saying that he was speaking as a business owner and that the
price tag hesitancy thing was lazy thinking or some such thing and
when I informed him that I too was a business owner and still wasn't
sold on the price tag, he blocked me. Talk about thin skinned.... But
hey, at least he had the "manners" to tell me that he was going to block me before he did so... What a swell guy.
Some people.
Back in 2011, I was debating whether to get an Apex that was almost
$6000 but instead opted for a 40 cell Brailliant BI and iPad and
iPhone. That Brailliant lasted me over ten years and hung around
outlasting something like 5 iPhone models and three iPads. Granted,
the iOS and Braille experience wasn't always the best, but combining
the display with various iOS devices over the years at least in my
mind, gave me way more productivity and more bang for my buck than a
display where the OS traditionally isn't supported for maybe more than three or four years.
Even then, the Apex would've lasted way longer than some of these
newer Smart note taker/display hybrids.
I recently scored a Freedom Scientific F80 Braille display on eBay for $305.
I first wrote the seller asking if everything worked, and they replied
that yes, all cells, connectors and buttons were functional. I had my
sighted wife look at the pictures and she was able to read me the
serial number off of the display. I called Vispero and asked about its
history and if it had ever been serviced and I was informed that it
was serviced and cleaned back in 2016. The 80 cell display was from
back in 2006. This thing is huge. I'm talking a beast of a display,
but so far, so good. I've got it set up at my desktop workstation and
now I've got a fully functional 80 cell display that back in the day
went for almost $8000. Side note, looks like this seller's got some
sort of hookup or something. At the time that I purchased it, they had
two devices up for sale. Since then, I believe they've posted four
more
80 cell displays. Again for roughly $300. Keep in mind, you're talking
about devices that are really long in the tooth, so buyer beware and all that.
Their postings are easy enough to find. You just have to search for
Braille display or something along those lines. There aren't too many
on at any given time.
I still have the Brailliant BI 40, but it's a refurbished model
Humanware provided me as a replacement for my old display that I sent
in late last year to be fixed, but got lost by UPS. Fine by me. It
cost me nothing and now my Brailliant was at least serviced and inspected by Humanware.
I'm thinking of selling my Brailliant and putting that money towards
either a Mantis 40 cell display or the Orbit Reader 40. I'm more
inclined to opt for a device that's maybe dumber as far as on board
connectivity, but that I know I can use for many years to come and not
have to worry about it slowing down or not being able to keep up with
the demands that innovation sometimes brings and just act as a display
with maybe some built in file management features. I mean, if I want
Internet connectivity and all those bells and whistles, that's what a
smart phone or tablet and Bluetooth connections are for.
Just my two cents.





Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Joe Orozco
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:44 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Braille Displays

The great thing about Humanware products is the ability to pay in
installments. I don’t think APH offers this flexibility. If I can
throw one more product into the mix, it would be the new Braille Sense
6 from HIMS. It’s far and away the most expensive of the displays
mentioned here at $5,795, but HIMS now also offers payment plans.

Here’s the link in case it’s of interest:

https://hims-inc.com/bs6

Best,

Joe



On 3/31/21, Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...> wrote:
The Brailliant BI 20X does open Word files, but if you edit them, it
saves them as text files. I hope that helps.
--

Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author https://abbiescorner.wordpress.com

http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com

abbietaylor945@...
















Re: Missing Network Name

Janet
 

Hi Mike,

I’m not very familiar with Xfinity Wi-Fi, but I wonder if your friend could download the Xfinity WiFi Hotspot app again, and sign in with his password, as this should automatically connect him to the Wi-Fi again. 

 

Janet

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 10:24 PM
To: TechTalk
Subject: [TechTalk] Missing Network Name

 

Hi All,

 

A friend asked me the following and I've never had this problem before or have I heard how to fix something like this.  My suggestion was to plug his laptop into the modem / router with an ethernet cable.  Can someone here help him out?

 

Hey Mike,
I tried to call hoping to catch you. I have an interview tomorrow via Zoom and discovered earlier today that my laptop will not connect to the internet. Looking into it a little deeper, I discovered my network user name has disappeared from the list of available WiFi networks.
I have spent quite a bit of time talking with Microsoft, Xfinity’s advanced tech support, and watched a few YouTube videos addressing the problem. None of them have fix the problem. I added a HotSpot package to my cell plan. It will not show up in the list either. It will connect to BlueTooth, but will not permit internet access. Other networks are appearing in the list, just not mine. My son had no problems logging on using the iMac. I am at a loss, have you experienced this before? Do you know how to fix this?
 
All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks much.

   

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: Very slow linking problem

Janet
 

Hi Nancy,
What browser are you using?

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 10:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very slow linking problem

Thanks for the info, John!


As for when the link slows, it could be entering on a link to take me to
a web page, or on something like NextDoor when you enter on something
like 'see more' or continue' to get you to the rest of the article.


Thanks,

nancy

On 4/8/2021 10:26 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
To check laptop version:
Hit your Windows Key
Type winver and press enter.
To check jaws version,
Focus on the jaws window and do ctrl+JawsKey+V
To check your version of Firefox,
Open it and do
Ctrl+JawsKey+V
This keystroke will tell you which version of any application currently in focus.
Now as to why this could be happening, have you checked for malware and the like?
Is entering links the only time this slowdown happens? In other words does it only happen in the Firefox browser or does it happen in other browsers or apps?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:17 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Very slow linking problem

My laptop has win10 (will someone please tell me how to check on the
version?) and this week's version of jaws along with the Firefox browser.

Recently when I enter on a link, it seems to take forever to get to that next page. This seems to delay no matter what type of link I use.

Is there something I can do to find out why there has started being such an dxtended delay on getting to the page I am being linked to?

It has been several weeks since this slow down started and I do not recall something particular happening that might have caused this change.

Many thanks in advance for your help in solving this mystery.

nancy













Re: Very slow linking problem

John Holcomb II
 

Hey no problem! Glad to help how I can.
Have you checked for malware or anything of the sort?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 11:29 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Very slow linking problem

Thanks for the info, John!


As for when the link slows, it could be entering on a link to take me to a web page, or on something like NextDoor when you enter on something like 'see more' or continue' to get you to the rest of the article.


Thanks,

nancy

On 4/8/2021 10:26 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
To check laptop version:
Hit your Windows Key
Type winver and press enter.
To check jaws version,
Focus on the jaws window and do ctrl+JawsKey+V To check your version
of Firefox, Open it and do
Ctrl+JawsKey+V
This keystroke will tell you which version of any application currently in focus.
Now as to why this could be happening, have you checked for malware and the like?
Is entering links the only time this slowdown happens? In other words does it only happen in the Firefox browser or does it happen in other browsers or apps?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Nancy Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:17 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Very slow linking problem

My laptop has win10 (will someone please tell me how to check on the
version?) and this week's version of jaws along with the Firefox browser.

Recently when I enter on a link, it seems to take forever to get to that next page. This seems to delay no matter what type of link I use.

Is there something I can do to find out why there has started being such an dxtended delay on getting to the page I am being linked to?

It has been several weeks since this slow down started and I do not recall something particular happening that might have caused this change.

Many thanks in advance for your help in solving this mystery.

nancy













Re: Very slow linking problem

Nancy Hill
 

Thanks for the info, John!


As for when the link slows, it could be entering on a link to take me to a web page, or on something like NextDoor when you enter on something like 'see more' or continue' to get you to the rest of the article.


Thanks,

nancy

On 4/8/2021 10:26 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:
To check laptop version:
Hit your Windows Key
Type winver and press enter.
To check jaws version,
Focus on the jaws window and do ctrl+JawsKey+V
To check your version of Firefox,
Open it and do
Ctrl+JawsKey+V
This keystroke will tell you which version of any application currently in focus.
Now as to why this could be happening, have you checked for malware and the like?
Is entering links the only time this slowdown happens? In other words does it only happen in the Firefox browser or does it happen in other browsers or apps?

John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:17 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Very slow linking problem

My laptop has win10 (will someone please tell me how to check on the
version?) and this week's version of jaws along with the Firefox browser.

Recently when I enter on a link, it seems to take forever to get to that next page. This seems to delay no matter what type of link I use.

Is there something I can do to find out why there has started being such an dxtended delay on getting to the page I am being linked to?

It has been several weeks since this slow down started and I do not recall something particular happening that might have caused this change.

Many thanks in advance for your help in solving this mystery.

nancy












Missing Network Name

Mike B <mb69mach1@...>
 


Hi All,
 
A friend asked me the following and I've never had this problem before or have I heard how to fix something like this.  My suggestion was to plug his laptop into the modem / router with an ethernet cable.  Can someone here help him out?

Hey Mike,
I tried to call hoping to catch you. I have an interview tomorrow via Zoom and discovered earlier today that my laptop will not connect to the internet. Looking into it a little deeper, I discovered my network user name has disappeared from the list of available WiFi networks.
I have spent quite a bit of time talking with Microsoft, Xfinity’s advanced tech support, and watched a few YouTube videos addressing the problem. None of them have fix the problem. I added a HotSpot package to my cell plan. It will not show up in the list either. It will connect to BlueTooth, but will not permit internet access. Other networks are appearing in the list, just not mine. My son had no problems logging on using the iMac. I am at a loss, have you experienced this before? Do you know how to fix this?
 
All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks much.
   
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: Very slow linking problem

John Holcomb II
 

To check laptop version:
Hit your Windows Key
Type winver and press enter.
To check jaws version,
Focus on the jaws window and do ctrl+JawsKey+V
To check your version of Firefox,
Open it and do
Ctrl+JawsKey+V
This keystroke will tell you which version of any application currently in focus.
Now as to why this could be happening, have you checked for malware and the like?
Is entering links the only time this slowdown happens? In other words does it only happen in the Firefox browser or does it happen in other browsers or apps?

John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Hill
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 9:17 PM
To: TechTalk <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] Very slow linking problem

My laptop has win10 (will someone please tell me how to check on the
version?) and this week's version of jaws along with the Firefox browser.

Recently when I enter on a link, it seems to take forever to get to that next page. This seems to delay no matter what type of link I use.

Is there something I can do to find out why there has started being such an dxtended delay on getting to the page I am being linked to?

It has been several weeks since this slow down started and I do not recall something particular happening that might have caused this change.

Many thanks in advance for your help in solving this mystery.

nancy


Very slow linking problem

Nancy Hill
 

My laptop has win10 (will someone please tell me how to check on the version?) and this week's version of jaws along with the Firefox browser.

Recently when I enter on a link, it seems to take forever to get to that next page.  This seems to delay no matter what type of link I use.

Is there something I can do to find out why there has started being such an dxtended delay on getting to the page I am being linked to?

It has been several weeks since this slow down started and I do not recall  something particular happening that might have caused this change.

Many thanks in advance for your help in solving this mystery.

nancy


video editor

Angelo Sonnesso
 

Anyone recommend a simple video editor that will let me cut out unwanted sections in an .mp4 file?

 

 

73 N2DYN Angelo


Re: more secure e-mail

Gene
 

There are many times when people ask a question and don't realize that there are other things to consider.

Often on lists, people ask how to do a specific thing. Other list members may want to know why the person wants to do it because often, when someone asks how to do a specific thing, they are asking because they think it is the best way to achieve some goal. It may not be.

I see, reasonably often, such instances. Someone will ask how to do a specific thing and through discussion, they later explain the actual goal or underlying thing they are trying to achieve. Once list members know that, they can answer the underlying question and can help the person determine if what they want to do is a good way to accomplish the underlying goal.

I expressed my opinion. Others can express theirs. And this is a list. I'm not just writing for the benefit of one person. Others following the thread may benefit from my opinion or from a diversity of opinions expressed. And I specifically said that I didn't know the specific circumstances or reason the person asked the question. that invites the person to explain why they want to do what they are asking about.

Gene

----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 6:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail

Right, people can decide to do anything they want. Therefore, it isn't
up to me or you to decide for them.

She wanted an opinion on Fastmail, not a question as to why she
isn't using one service or another, or a debate over it. If she had
asked the question differently, like which one is better, then I'm sure
everyone has their own opinions on that.

\On 4/8/2021 3:39 PM, Gene wrote:

Why not discuss the question? Isn't this a choice like all sorts of
others, what brand of computer to use, what browsers are preferred and
why, etc? People can decide to do anything they want. If you start
arbitrarily ruling certain choices as out of bounds, where do you stop?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 5:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail



People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's
fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking
into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like
Thunderbird, if you wanted to.


On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:

Is there any reason why you don't wish to use google or microsoft as
your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and
your own domain like yourdomain.com etc.
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and
now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your
email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?


On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:


Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of
using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as
a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather



Sent from Mail for Windows 10







Re: more secure e-mail

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I am going to address your message in-line below.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 4:25 PM heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Well, I have google accounts and found out one of  my g-mail  was in the data hack from facebook.

I would bet that your email has probably been in other hacks as well. 

I always change all my passwords and have 2 factor on the accounts.

Super! You are far ahead of the curve, and you are protecting yourself. That is excellent. 

I was just concerned with the e-mail being tied to my card or bank accounts.

What exactly is the concern? Simply having your email address is not enough for your bank account to get hacked. They would also need your password for that, and hopefully, you are using different passwords for each account you have, as well as two-factor authentication on each account that you possibly can. If you are doing that, it doesn't matter that a hacker has your email account, or that it is tied to any other service.  

So I wanted to find out if fast mail would be a better service to have my accounts tied too for dealing with things like card accounts and the bank account.

I think you will find that this makes no difference. Again, protecting your accounts with a good passwords, two-factor authentication, and using different passwords for each account will go much farther than using different email accounts. If you do wish to use different email acconts for each service, I recommend adding a = (plus) sign followed by the name of the service at the end of your email address. For instance, I use a service called Streamyard, and my email on that service is nimerjaber1+streamyard@.... This way, all your meails are going to the same inbox, and you can easily set up filters and labels to put those filtered emails for each of those services. This way, you have one email address, still have the benefit of multiple email addresses, and you will know if one of those services gets hacked, is charging you extra, etc. This is how I do things, of course you can choose to do things differently. 

I use one of my accounts specifically for all the group lists and the other is for dealing with the bank and cards and any other personal info.

Probably a good idea, but not necessary. This is really why filters are helpful. 

I was reading up on it, they say they get rid of spamm and blocks e-mail addresses to your account.

Every email provider will let in some spam on occasion. The more public your email address is, the more likely your email address will get spam. Don't open it, report it as spam, and you'll find that more and more will end up there, and less and less will reach your Inbox. This goes for any email provider you could possibly use. As soon as you fill out a form, and provide your email address online, or reply using that email address, or use an email address with a common name, you've opened yourself to spam. It's sort of like spam calls. No matter which number you use, which provider you use, you will get the occasional spam call. 

I like google but,some spamm keeps getting my mail or I get spamm messages from friends who had their account hacked with porm.

This will happen if you use Fastmail or any other mail provider. If your friend has that email address, their email gets hacked, your email address has been provided to the spammer, you will be spammed. 

I do not have a Microsoft account tied to my outlook account and I am running a windows local account. I noticed my icloud account never gets spam; go apple!

If your iCloud account was used more often, or made more public, or used to fill out forms, I have no doubt that it would get spam. 

Cheers Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:08 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail

 

Hello,

 

Often times, people don't want to use Google because of misconceptions, so it's fine, I think, for people to make recommendations. We all are on here knowing that we can choose to accept or reject any feedback anyone provides.

 

As for using Google or not using Google, a lot of times, people will make these snap product decisions because a product isn't doing something desirable, or is doing something undesirable. I would recommend that, before changing what you have been using, you examine your reasons, and you get to know the product you are using to determine if there are settings and options that can mitigate the undesirable behavior. Often times, people who use Google products are unhappy because they believe that Google is using information in ways which are undesirable. There are privacy and security settings which a user can change to limit what data Google does have and use. Often times, things go in the media that end up sensationalized. Simply reading terms of service and privacy policies may help quash those beliefs. These are simply examples. I don't know what the reason is for wanting to use Fastmail over Gmail, but I would say that you should be well-informed about that change. And finally, if you believe that Fastmail will provide better security or privacy than Google, I believe that belief is a bit misguided, although anyone can believe whatever they wish.

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM Hope Williamson <webspinner@...> wrote:

People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

    I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like Thunderbird, if you wanted to.

On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:

Is there any reason why you  don't wish  to use google or microsoft as your email provider?

You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc. 

As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.

Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

 

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.

Did your telco/provider gave you one email?

 

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather

 

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Re: more secure e-mail

Hope Williamson
 

Right, people can decide to do anything they want. Therefore, it isn't
up to me or you to decide for them.

    She wanted an opinion on Fastmail, not a question as to why she
isn't using one service or another, or a debate over it. If she had
asked the question differently, like which one is better, then I'm sure
everyone has their own opinions on that.

\On 4/8/2021 3:39 PM, Gene wrote:

Why not discuss the question?  Isn't this a choice like all sorts of
others, what brand of computer to use, what browsers are preferred and
why, etc? People can decide to do anything they want.  If you start
arbitrarily ruling certain choices as out of bounds, where do you stop?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 5:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail



People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's
fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

  I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking
into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like
Thunderbird, if you wanted to.


On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:

Is there any reason why you  don't wish  to use google or microsoft as
your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and
your own domain like yourdomain.com etc.
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and
now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your
email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?


On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:


Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of
using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as
a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather



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Re: more secure e-mail

heather albright
 

Well, I have google accounts and found out one of  my g-mail  was in the data hack from facebook. I always change all my passwords and have 2 factor on the accounts. I was just concerned with the e-mail being tied to my card or bank accounts. So I wanted to find out if fast mail would be a better service to have my accounts tied too for dealing with things like card accounts and the bank account. I use one of my accounts specifically for all the group lists and the other is for dealing with the bank and cards and any other personal info.

I was reading up on it, they say they get rid of spamm and blocks e-mail addresses to your account. I like google but,some spamm keeps getting my mail or I get spamm messages from friends who had their account hacked with porm.

I do not have a Microsoft account tied to my outlook account and I am running a windows local account. I noticed my icloud account never gets spam; go apple!

Cheers Heather

 

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From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 6:08 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail

 

Hello,

 

Often times, people don't want to use Google because of misconceptions, so it's fine, I think, for people to make recommendations. We all are on here knowing that we can choose to accept or reject any feedback anyone provides.

 

As for using Google or not using Google, a lot of times, people will make these snap product decisions because a product isn't doing something desirable, or is doing something undesirable. I would recommend that, before changing what you have been using, you examine your reasons, and you get to know the product you are using to determine if there are settings and options that can mitigate the undesirable behavior. Often times, people who use Google products are unhappy because they believe that Google is using information in ways which are undesirable. There are privacy and security settings which a user can change to limit what data Google does have and use. Often times, things go in the media that end up sensationalized. Simply reading terms of service and privacy policies may help quash those beliefs. These are simply examples. I don't know what the reason is for wanting to use Fastmail over Gmail, but I would say that you should be well-informed about that change. And finally, if you believe that Fastmail will provide better security or privacy than Google, I believe that belief is a bit misguided, although anyone can believe whatever they wish.

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM Hope Williamson <webspinner@...> wrote:

People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

    I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like Thunderbird, if you wanted to.

On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:

Is there any reason why you  don't wish  to use google or microsoft as your email provider?

You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc. 

As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.

Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

 

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.

Did your telco/provider gave you one email?

 

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather

 

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Re: more secure e-mail

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Often times, people don't want to use Google because of misconceptions, so it's fine, I think, for people to make recommendations. We all are on here knowing that we can choose to accept or reject any feedback anyone provides.

As for using Google or not using Google, a lot of times, people will make these snap product decisions because a product isn't doing something desirable, or is doing something undesirable. I would recommend that, before changing what you have been using, you examine your reasons, and you get to know the product you are using to determine if there are settings and options that can mitigate the undesirable behavior. Often times, people who use Google products are unhappy because they believe that Google is using information in ways which are undesirable. There are privacy and security settings which a user can change to limit what data Google does have and use. Often times, things go in the media that end up sensationalized. Simply reading terms of service and privacy policies may help quash those beliefs. These are simply examples. I don't know what the reason is for wanting to use Fastmail over Gmail, but I would say that you should be well-informed about that change. And finally, if you believe that Fastmail will provide better security or privacy than Google, I believe that belief is a bit misguided, although anyone can believe whatever they wish.

On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 3:32 PM Hope Williamson <webspinner@...> wrote:

People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

    I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like Thunderbird, if you wanted to.

On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
Is there any reason why you  don't wish  to use google or microsoft as your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc. 
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



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Re: more secure e-mail

Gene
 

Why not discuss the question? Isn't this a choice like all sorts of others, what brand of computer to use, what browsers are preferred and why, etc? People can decide to do anything they want. If you start arbitrarily ruling certain choices as out of bounds, where do you stop?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hope Williamson
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 5:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail



People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like Thunderbird, if you wanted to.


On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:

Is there any reason why you don't wish to use google or microsoft as your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc.
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?


On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:


Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather



Sent from Mail for Windows 10







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Thomas N. Chan


Re: more secure e-mail

Hope Williamson
 

People don't wish to use Google as they're email service, and that's fine. There's no reason to question those decisions.

    I haven't used Fastmail myself, but it's something I've been looking into. I'm pretty sure it's something you could use with a client like Thunderbird, if you wanted to.

On 4/8/2021 12:52 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
Is there any reason why you  don't wish  to use google or microsoft as your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc. 
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?

On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:

Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



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Side Loading Apps Would Break the Security and Privacy of iPhone Says Tim Cook!

Janet
 

Hi Everyone,
Well, I'm once reading again! I came across this article in which I thought was quite interesting, I copied and pasted below.

Side loading Apps Would 'Break' the Security and Privacy of iPhone, Says Tim Cook
Monday April 5, 2021 4:32 am PDT by
Sami Fathi
In a
wide-ranging interview
with The New York Times' Kara Swisher, on her podcast "Sway," Apple CEO
Tim Cook
talks about Apple's feud with Facebook, its stance on privacy, Apple's legal battle with
Epic Games,
and possible future Apple innovations such as
Apple Glasses.
tim cook apple park
Apple is in the midst of a
heated public spat with Facebook
over privacy, particularly over an upcoming feature on iOS that will require apps to ask for users consent before tracking them.
The new feature called ATT, or App Tracking Transparency, coming with iOS 14.5 in "a few weeks," according to Cook, will force apps to ask users for permission
to track them across other apps and websites. Facebook has argued vehemently against the new feature, saying it impacts small businesses that rely on personalized
ads, derived from tracking, to keep afloat.
‌Tim Cook‌ says he disagrees with that argument, indirectly saying that Facebook's point of view is "flimsy." Cook calls privacy the "top issue of the
21st century," adding that with tracking, companies, such as Facebook are able to put "together an entire profile of what you're thinking and what you're
doing."
What App Tracking Transparency] tries to get at is companies that are taking advantage of tracking you across apps of other companies and therefore putting
together an entire profile of what you're thinking, what you're doing, surveilling you across the web 24/7.
They'll see a simple pop-up that basically prompts them to answer the question, are they OK with being tracked or not? If they are, things move on. If
they're not, then the tracking is turned off.
When asked how the new feature will impact Facebook,
Cook says he's not "focused on Facebook,"
saying Apple adds new tools and features every year that improves and doubles down on user privacy. Speaking more specifically to what actions may need
to be taken against companies that track users, Cook says he used to be a firm believer in the ability for companies to regulate themselves but notes that's
now changed.

Generally speaking, I think privacy is one of the top issues of the 21st century, and I think we're in a crisis. Years ago, I thought companies would regulate
themselves and sort of get better. I no longer believe that. And I'm not generally somebody that is keen on regulation, but I think that regulation is
required.

In a speech at a
privacy conference in January,
Cook strongly condemned social media companies that fuel conspiracy theories thanks to their algorithms. Cook says that Apple doesn't have a social media
platform that is "pushing stuff in your feed," but notes it does have the
App Store
which it takes careful consideration in curating content for.

Well, you know, I can only speak for Apple. And from the very start, we've always believed in curation. And so we review every app that goes on the store.
That doesn't mean that we're perfect at doing it. We're not. But we care deeply about what we're offering our users. And when we have a new product like

Apple News,
we have human editors that are selecting the key stories. And so they're avoiding all of the misinformation that is out there. The reality is that the
web in some areas has become a dark place. And without curation, you wind up with this firehose of things that I would not want to put into an amplifier.
Which is what tech is in a large way. If you have a platform, you amplify things.

Cook in typical Apple fashion never comments on future, unreleased Apple products. However, possibly hinting at ‌Apple Glasses‌, Cook says AR is "critically"
important for the future of Apple. The CEO envisions a future where conversations include more than just words, but include charts, and "other things"
appearing in a virtual space.

Well, I can't talk about anything that we may or may not have in the pipeline. But in terms of AR, the promise of AR is that you and I are having a great
conversation right now. Arguably, it could even be better if we were able to augment our discussion with charts or other things to appear. Your audience
would also benefit from this, too, I think. And so when I think about that in different fields, whether it's health, whether it's education, whether it's
gaming, whether it's retail, I'm already seeing AR take off in some of these areas. And I think the promise is even greater in the future. So it's a critically
important part of Apple's future.

Speaking about
Apple's fight with Epic Games,
Cook says that Epic had long followed ‌App Store‌ rules, but decided to no longer follow the guidelines all other developers follow. Cook says Apple is
"confident" in its case with the gaming giant.
It's about living up to the rules and the guidelines of the ‌App Store‌, and they had done that for years and then had decided, evidently, that they didn't
want to follow the rules anymore and had passed something throughout the review process, and then after it had been through app review, changed it on the
server-side. So it was sort of a deceitful move. And so we're going into court. We're coming to tell our story. We're going to talk about the privacy and
security aspects of the store. And we're confident in our case.

One of ‌Epic Games‌' biggest arguments about the Apple ecosystem is the lack of so-called "freedom" for users to download apps from places other than the
‌App Store‌. Many have long voiced their hope that Apple would allow users to sideload apps onto their device, such as the
iPhone.
Cook says that sideloading apps, however, would "break the privacy and security" model of the ‌iPhone‌.
In the remainder of the podcast, ‌Tim Cook‌ talks about his relationship with the President Biden administration and said he "probably" will not be Apple's
CEO in 10 years. The full 36-minute long podcast is available over at
The New York Times.

Peace Be With You.


Re: more secure e-mail

Gene
 

I don't know your specific situation but in general, so much information is collected that my question is why worry about this one thing? Do you use Facebook? A lot of peoples' personal information such as birthdays have leaked. Do you use a smart phone? The phone provides a rough record of where you go and when and if someone wanted to, they could find out. How about smart phone apps? A lot of them share information and I doubt you have any idea which ones share what. Do you use loyalty cards at stores? Information is being collected. I don't know this, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if information about credit card purchases is collected as well.

and whether you pay for e-mail or not, to prevent your e-mail being used to advertise to you, e-mail isn't secure unless it is encrypted. Why spend money and worry about this one thing?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2021 2:52 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] more secure e-mail


Is there any reason why you don't wish to use google or microsoft as your email provider?
You can also pay them to get higher storage like google workspace and your own domain like yourdomain.com etc.
As for Microsoft, its rather tie down to office as well.
Personally, I have been using Google ap, change name to G-suite and now workspace for my own email and work.

Then again, that also depend how much you are willing to pay for your email service.
Did your telco/provider gave you one email?


On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 01:51, heather albright <kd5cbl@...> wrote:


Hello, I am thinking about purcheassing an e-mail service instead of using free e-mail from google or outlook. I was looking to fastmail as a possibility. Has anyone used this service before? Thanks Heather



Sent from Mail for Windows 10













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