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Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

Oh yeah. if he does tell us then we can give him more advice tailor to his needs.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yes, its interesting. I wasn't just writing concerning the original questioner, but in general. Knowing more specifics about the original questioner might result in better, more tailored advice.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Well,
I just did a search on Best Buy for laptops with spinning drives, there are literally 9 items to show with intel or AMD graphics and not dedicated ones that are in stock as this very moment. Of those, only 5 are new. All run windows.
Traditional spinning drives are on the way out for sure.
No, it wont make your web pages load faster per say.\ It just helps with boot times and program launches and saving of big files.
As far as protected for shock, unless you get a pretty expensive rig, most are not enclosed in a shock protection enclosure.
SSDs have come down a lot in price by this point.
If you are going from a mainstream vender such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, you can get things more and more affordable as time goes on.
Going the custom build (while having its own advantages), is the more expensive route to go.
Desktops are even cheaper yet.
But this entire topic has gone and on without knowing if he gets a check handed to him and he can pick what he wants from where, or if it’s a supplied thing from the agency.
Its been interesting though, regardless.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference. I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds. I don't know if it does. If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document. the same with streaming. Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket. I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days.
SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim


Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Janet
 

Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you either.  Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before, you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration before doing that.  Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions, just let me know, and I will do so.  As far as the safe mode, that will not give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8.  I know you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth.  I’m trying to spare you from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.     

 

Janet

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

and how do I go about doing this?

 

Thanks

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either  reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop.  I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter  safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith
 





Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

I'm talking about the major updates. Not the monthly ones.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Are you talking about the six month major upgrades or the monthly ones or both? I doubt the monthly ones take long enough to matter to any meaningful extent.

As for long boot up times, I can put my computer to sleep and resume operations when I wake it within seconds and I can leave programs opened I am using as well.

I would lose time if I reboot my computer every vfew days to avoid performance problems but I can reboot while I'm doing other things.

I don't know what the difference in price is now between a SSD and a mechanical drive. I haven't checked for quite some time.

GeneThe updates question is interesting.
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene, look at it this way though.

An SSD has a very significant performance improvement that can only be experienced for proper context. And the difference will make a difference in your daily life. A pc booting in 2-3 minutes versus 5 seconds is a massive change. SSDs also don't slow if your pc performs background tasks like applying updates or installing programs. This also saves time. I would pay $1000 for an SSD if prices increased. I would never use a mechanical spinning drive as primary if someone paid me to use one.

On 4/18/2021 8:44 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference. I said the
difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be
important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a
mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that
matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I
would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then
they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I
think that people who recommend things because they are faster should
not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or
three seconds. I don't know if it does. If I spend between fifty
seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds
instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the
extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and
depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent
working on the document. the same with streaming. Time is almost all
spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this
consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my
laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of
badd jolts while traveling, such as a bad pothole or, though rare,
the very bad air pocket. I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days.
SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may be another reason to use
one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what
they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state
hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and
in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having
10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a
station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles
an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is
120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16.
Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I
have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive
before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry
too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be
fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD
r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf
Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a
good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim











































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

Yes, its interesting. I wasn't just writing concerning the original questioner, but in general. Knowing more specifics about the original questioner might result in better, more tailored advice.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:58 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Well,
I just did a search on Best Buy for laptops with spinning drives, there are literally 9 items to show with intel or AMD graphics and not dedicated ones that are in stock as this very moment. Of those, only 5 are new. All run windows.
Traditional spinning drives are on the way out for sure.
No, it wont make your web pages load faster per say.\
It just helps with boot times and program launches and saving of big files.
As far as protected for shock, unless you get a pretty expensive rig, most are not enclosed in a shock protection enclosure.
SSDs have come down a lot in price by this point.
If you are going from a mainstream vender such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, you can get things more and more affordable as time goes on.
Going the custom build (while having its own advantages), is the more expensive route to go.
Desktops are even cheaper yet.
But this entire topic has gone and on without knowing if he gets a check handed to him and he can pick what he wants from where, or if it’s a supplied thing from the agency.
Its been interesting though, regardless.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference. I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds. I don't know if it does. If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document. the same with streaming. Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket. I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days.
SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

It'll make a difference if you don't have the extra RAM and it needs to go to the page file.
It'll make a difference in boot times.
It'll make a different in program launch times.
It'll make a difference if you are opening big files and trying to read or write in it with a screen reader.
It'll make a difference in saving larger files.
It'll make a difference that unless you've experienced it you won't know.
Take a computer that Run a core I5 3rd gen with an HDD and put even a SATA based SSD in it and you will notice in a system even that old.
SSDs are the way to go, and I wouldn't even suggest a PC without one at this point.
The price has come waaaay down.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:04 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I'll assume that is true. But for what kinds of uses do those speed diffferences make any difference that matters?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene,

It actually does make a huge difference in drives. For example, the 1tb samsung 970 plus while costing more, has a sustained write speed of 1700 mbps even when cache is exhausted, as opposed to the 900 of the 512 gb drive, and the 256 goes even lower.

Programs are substantially using more ram. Browsers and windows itself
is. The price of a ram at a 16 gb level will be just under 100 dollars, maybe 70 or so, but it changes b based on speed. The price difference between 8 and 16 gb is negligible. Me, I went all out with a 2x 16 gb kit for 32 gb to future proof my machine, and because 32 gb has more memory contacts on higher core pcs and increases performance more.

On 4/18/2021 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen
this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a
good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced
that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can
add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred
or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no
meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if
the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking
about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and
can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer
than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and
for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be
fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player,
and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and
have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you
like. How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim










Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

Are you talking about the six month major upgrades or the monthly ones or both? I doubt the monthly ones take long enough to matter to any meaningful extent.

As for long boot up times, I can put my computer to sleep and resume operations when I wake it within seconds and I can leave programs opened I am using as well.

I would lose time if I reboot my computer every vfew days to avoid performance problems but I can reboot while I'm doing other things.

I don't know what the difference in price is now between a SSD and a mechanical drive. I haven't checked for quite some time.

GeneThe updates question is interesting.

-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:55 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene, look at it this way though.

An SSD has a very significant performance improvement that can only be
experienced for proper context. And the difference will make a
difference in your daily life. A pc booting in 2-3 minutes versus 5
seconds is a massive change. SSDs also don't slow if your pc performs
background tasks like applying updates or installing programs. This also
saves time. I would pay $1000 for an SSD if prices increased. I would
never use a mechanical spinning drive as primary if someone paid me to
use one.

On 4/18/2021 8:44 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference. I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds. I don't know if it does. If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document. the same with streaming. Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket. I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days. SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim











































Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Keith S
 

no difference.
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Keith,

I was wondering if you notice any difference in JAWS or the spead of the PC, when you are using headphones?

 

Janet  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

headphones.  I try not to disturb others around me in the house.

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet

Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 6:20 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

Hi Keith,

It’s good to see you out here again!  Smile!  You’re still having the same problem with your PC? I don’t think by using the safe mode will give you a fresh install of Windows 10.  I don’t think the safe mode has anything to do with that.  Keith, you remember I told you I bought a new Windows Laptop? Well, needless to say it is very slow, I’m not happy with it, JAWS has developed a speech impediment, I could just throw the Laptop as well as JAWS out the window.  Keith, I debated for at least 2 years if I wanted to buy a Windows Laptop, or an iPad, well, unfortunately, I picked Windows, and I have regretted it ever since!  So, I can sympathise with you right now.  Every time I get an update from Windows, my Laptop gets worse!  Keith, do you use a headphone or earbuds with your PC?

 

Janet  

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:34 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows 10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

 

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either  reinstall the windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10, since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.

 

 

My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop.  I know that some name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and hold while the system is booting up.

 

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

 

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter  safe mode?

 

Many thanks

 

keith


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

I'll assume that is true. But for what kinds of uses do those speed diffferences make any difference that matters?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 8:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene,

It actually does make a huge difference in drives. For example, the 1tb
samsung 970 plus while costing more, has a sustained write speed of 1700
mbps even when cache is exhausted, as opposed to the 900 of the 512 gb
drive, and the 256 goes even lower.

Programs are substantially using more ram. Browsers and windows itself
is. The price of a ram at a 16 gb level will be just under 100 dollars,
maybe 70 or so, but it changes b based on speed. The price difference
between 8 and 16 gb is negligible. Me, I went all out with a 2x 16 gb
kit for 32 gb to future proof my machine, and because 32 gb has more
memory contacts on higher core pcs and increases performance more.

On 4/18/2021 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters? Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new computer.[Jim










Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

Those who really watch money go with the SSD and the lessor of the ram with a Core i5.
Its going to be hard to find a PC without an SSD at this point anyway. Especially if new is your jam.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:52 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yes, I knew we were discussing 16GB but for some reason, I wasn't thinking about it correctly. That may mean that the price difference might be between thirty and fourty-five dollars. That isn't that much money so for a lot of people, it might not matter. I therefore will say that I was objecting on the basis of thinking about the question incorrectly.

While I remain skeptical the difference matters to any extent to the average user, the amount of money isn't much. Those who really have to watch money may want to not get the extra GB, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

It depends on who you buy it from.
Also I'm not sure which programs leak.
Geen, not 16 more GB. No.
We were saying that 8GB is good enough for most people but if you can afford it having 16GB or more is better.
Less cashing to the drive.
SSDS do have a limited read/write cycles.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I just looked at a few search results. Are they reflective of current prices? They indicate that 16gb of RAM costs something like 93 or 98 dollars. That's a lot of money to spend to avoid closing and reopening this or that program a few hours earlier.

Is that the cost of adding RAM when you purchase a machine?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion. How much does 16 more gb of memory cost? Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if you are a typical user. If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for some people that isn't much money. for others, it is a lot. I don't think such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram. Is it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours? Why not just close and reopen it every now and then? Why not the same with other programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

From what I've read, it’s a gamble when a computer is over five years old. My impression is that many people have computers that run for years longer and that many people don't. That's an impression. Its based on statements made by computer advisors that five years is the time after which a computer's life is uncertain. Its also based on comments on lists from people who have computers for significantly longer than five years. This would, I think, need more discussion. I'm not sure it’s a good idea to think in terms of seven or ten years into the future when buying a computer. It’s a gamble either way.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Geen,
So there's two ways you can build a computer.
You can buy for only what you use now, or you can future proof the thing so it'll last longer.
Especially when you consider (if it’s a laptop) that things are sottered onto the mother board, and can't be user upgradable in some cases.
Keep in mind how long PCs can last.
I've got A windows 7 laptop which I know will run Windows 10.
It has a second Gen Core I7 and runs great for what I need.
The max amount of ram that thing can support is 16GB and it does make a difference. Its from 2011!
I'm going to guess that most people do not go upgrading hardwhere or reinstalling Windows often.
If you have the money to do so (and those words are important), having more RAM certainly can't hurt.
Faster processor can't hurt either. M.2 based SSD vs SATA based can't hurt either.
Can you do with An I5 and a spinning hard drive and 8GB? Sure. And if you cant afford the extra money for the ram, or if you have to choose how far your money goes, SSD all the way would be my first pick.
Then if you've got more money after that then expand the ram next.
I've seen computers last for over 10 years. Of Corse there are budget constrains that many people have to work with, and that's understandable.
We also have no idea what the requirements of Windows 10 will be in 10 years either. Or if they'll be on another version of Windows by that point.
My experience says hardware doesn't die, and you can spend more now and have it last longer.
If it’s a desktop, the hard drive will die first, especially if it’s a spinning drive.
Also, if this is your only computer, do you really wanna be without while someone replaces things because you found out in a few years that you need more RAM or a bigger SSD?
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:56 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I've just read a lot of a long Quara thread on the subject. After seeing many different opinions and some discussion, I'll say that I don't know if having 16GB of RAM will speed up a computer even if you never use 8GB. I will say that I question whether it matters much for the typical user. If I can save between sixty and 85 dollars roughly by having 8 GB of RAM, I'll have 8GB. I'm not so affluent that I want to spend the extra money for possible gains in performance that would so minimally affect my computer use. Most of my time is spent listening to audio, reading e-mails, answering some, browsing the Internet and doing some audio recording and editing.

Saving a few seconds here and there is meaningless. And let's say I want to have my browser be faster. If I use an ad blocker, I've already significantly speeded up my browser and gotten more protection against possibly corrupted advertising that is malicious. And I haven't spent an extra penny.

If I really wanted to speed it up, I could get an SSD drive. Getting an SSD drive would speed up my machine much more than adding RAM when I'm not using all I currently have.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:32 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

Well,
I just did a search on Best Buy for laptops with spinning drives, there are literally 9 items to show with intel or AMD graphics and not dedicated ones that are in stock as this very moment. Of those, only 5 are new. All run windows.
Traditional spinning drives are on the way out for sure.
No, it wont make your web pages load faster per say.\
It just helps with boot times and program launches and saving of big files.
As far as protected for shock, unless you get a pretty expensive rig, most are not enclosed in a shock protection enclosure.
SSDs have come down a lot in price by this point.
If you are going from a mainstream vender such as Dell, HP, Lenovo, you can get things more and more affordable as time goes on.
Going the custom build (while having its own advantages), is the more expensive route to go.
Desktops are even cheaper yet.
But this entire topic has gone and on without knowing if he gets a check handed to him and he can pick what he wants from where, or if it’s a supplied thing from the agency.
Its been interesting though, regardless.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference. I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds. I don't know if it does. If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document. the same with streaming. Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket. I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days.
SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

Gene, look at it this way though.

An SSD has a very significant performance improvement that can only be experienced for proper context. And the difference will make a difference in your daily life. A pc booting in 2-3 minutes versus 5 seconds is a massive change. SSDs also don't slow if your pc performs background tasks like applying updates or installing programs. This also saves time.  I would pay $1000 for an SSD if prices increased. I would never use a mechanical spinning drive as primary if someone paid me to use one.

On 4/18/2021 8:44 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference.  I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds.  I don't know if it does.  If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document.  the same with streaming.  Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a  bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket.  I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days. SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may  be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim










































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

The standard ssd has grown to 512 now due to price drops.

On 4/18/2021 6:35 PM, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
If money permit, and you can't afford to get a higher storage SSD, then go for the standard range of 256gb for your boot drive, then get whatever you can afford for storage for normal spinning drive. You can get 1tb or more with very good price tag on them., 
the speed what they are providing is more than enough for what you want to accomplish.
At least you can archive and store your media on the spinning drive. They don't need the speed and performance for reading a 5 to 10mb mp3 files. even for a 1gb video, a normal 1tb black or blue series is more than enough.
You can use that for your backup to capture  drive images since your boot drive is only 256gb.

at least this is my approach if your budget fall within as well.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 07:12, chris judge <chrisjudge1967@...> wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim








































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim






































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

Yes, I knew we were discussing 16GB but for some reason, I wasn't thinking about it correctly. That may mean that the price difference might be between thirty and fourty-five dollars. That isn't that much money so for a lot of people, it might not matter. I therefore will say that I was objecting on the basis of thinking about the question incorrectly.

While I remain skeptical the difference matters to any extent to the average user, the amount of money isn't much. Those who really have to watch money may want to not get the extra GB, however.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

It depends on who you buy it from.
Also I'm not sure which programs leak.
Geen, not 16 more GB. No.
We were saying that 8GB is good enough for most people but if you can afford it having 16GB or more is better.
Less cashing to the drive.
SSDS do have a limited read/write cycles.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I just looked at a few search results. Are they reflective of current prices? They indicate that 16gb of RAM costs something like 93 or 98 dollars. That's a lot of money to spend to avoid closing and reopening this or that program a few hours earlier.

Is that the cost of adding RAM when you purchase a machine?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion. How much does 16 more gb of memory cost? Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if you are a typical user. If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for some people that isn't much money. for others, it is a lot. I don't think such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram. Is it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours? Why not just close and reopen it every now and then? Why not the same with other programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over
chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will
help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the
harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program
which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual
files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or
your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least
program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD
back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need
to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by
Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is
still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end
video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this
elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal
more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies
getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and
that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred
dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the
larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about,
perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you
document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the
computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for
RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

That is why I said if budget allows. If the budget does allow, its a good choice.

On 4/18/2021 3:23 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't the point.  People sometimes prescribe something, such as, you should get 16GB of RAM or something of the sort.  That is completely devoid of context and is contrary to the reputable and knowledgeable computer advisors I've read.  Just saying everyone has their own opinion is meaningless.  What is the context?  Is the opinion overgeneralized?  Does it take into account variations such as the way the user uses a computer and the amount of money the person can comfortably spend?

And opinions are often based on facts.  I am presenting my opinions because I think the discussion is overgeneralized and needs context.

People can see my opinion and other peoples' and draw their own conclusions or they may have a better idea what kind of information to find out about or what kind of questions to ask.  .

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 3:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Gene,
Everyone has their own opinion , everyone might use their PCs in different ways than you do.  In short, however someone wants to use their PC, is just entirely up to them.  You like, all the rest of us are most definitely entitled to your own opinion, and there is nothing wrong with that.  If someone asks for an opinion, that is all we can give is our opinions.


Janet
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:50 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I think this needs more discussion.  How much does 16 more gb of memory
cost?  Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks?
And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in
common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if
you are a typical user.  If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for
some people that isn't much money.  for others, it is a lot.  I don't think
such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points.
Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that
using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram.  Is
it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours? Why not
just close and reopen it every now and then?  Why not the same with other
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over
chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will
help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the
harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program
which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual
files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or
your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least
program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar  SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD
back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need
to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by
Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is
still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end
video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this
elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal
more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies
getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and
that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred
dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the
larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about,
perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you
document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the
computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for
RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim




































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

Because time is literally money. By constantly waste time with my computer when I can just add more ram and make into a nonissue?

On 4/18/2021 2:50 PM, Gene wrote:
I think this needs more discussion.  How much does 16 more gb of memory cost?  Why not just close programs now and then if they have memory leaks? And what programs are known to have memory leaks that are popular and in common use?

I don't see any general advice from computer advisors to get 16GB of RAM if you are a typical user.  If you spend fifty dollars more, as I said, for some people that isn't much money.  for others, it is a lot.  I don't think such generalizations should be made without discussions of such points. Let's say, for example, that a certain browser has a memory leak and that using it for two or three hours can impair performance using 8GB of ram.  Is it worth getting more RAM so you can keep it opened for 6 hours?  Why not just close and reopen it every now and then?  Why not the same with other programs?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 2:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



Hi Everyone,

Thomas says: 8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



Janet says:

I agree with you one hundred percent!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





I would always say, what can the original request can afford.



8gb is good but 16gb is even better. Memory leak, left over chunk of program which its not cleanup by windows, that much of ram will help the virtual files as well. If there's not much writing onto the harddrive, your SSD or your harddrive will be even happier.



If you open so many programs example, some of the older or initial or least program will just be, push down to the virtual swap files.



Those running in the background, will have the similar  SOP.



More ram, is no big deal, so long is within your budget.







harddrive, is good if you can afford bigger ones. For me, I got 256GB SSD back then, but I have upgraded to 1tb 2 years later. But of course, you need to reinstall windows but for me, I just clone over.







The rest, I will not comment. But I do have an external USB 3 soundcard by Creative. I can have multiple input, mic in, aux in and 5.1 output.



But thats an old model already . But 3.5mm jack speaker or sound card is still around.













Regards,
Thomas N. Chan











On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 01:16, Monte Single <mrsingle@sasktel.net> wrote:



Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim


























Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

You could, but a midrange graphics card is ok. Blind people have little to no use for graphics.

On 4/18/2021 12:14 PM, Monte Single wrote:
Heck, you could spend an extra thousand dollars just by getting high end video and processor.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt programs are getting that much bigger. Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification. And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user. You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter? What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program? and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters?
Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of
Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim













Re: if you were getting a new computer.

enes sarıbaş
 

Gene,

It actually does make a huge difference in drives. For example, the 1tb samsung 970 plus while costing more, has a sustained write speed of 1700 mbps even when cache is exhausted, as opposed to the 900 of the 512 gb drive, and the 256 goes even lower.

Programs are substantially   using more ram. Browsers and windows itself is. The price of a ram at a 16 gb level will be just under 100 dollars, maybe 70 or so, but it changes b based on speed. The price difference between 8 and 16 gb is negligible. Me, I went all out with a 2x 16 gb kit for 32 gb to future proof my machine, and because 32 gb has more memory contacts on higher core pcs and increases performance more.

On 4/18/2021 11:38 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt programs are getting that much bigger.  Since I haven't seen this elsewhere, I'll put it in the interesting category but I'd want a good deal more verification.  And even if they are, I am not convinced that justifies getting more than 8GB for the average user.  You can add this expense and that expense until you are spending one-hundred or two or three hundred dollars more than you have to and derive no meaningful benefit.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/much-ram-really-need/

Regarding digital drives, they are so fast to start with that even if the larger drives are faster, does that matter?  What are we talking about, perhaps half a second speed difference to load a program?  and can you document that larger digital drives will last longer and that it matters? Digital drives, from what I've readd will generally last far longer than the computer using them so I remain to be convinced.

Regarding price, following your recommendations for a hard drive and for RAM, how much more money would you be spending?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: enes sarıbaş
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.


On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:


I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then  broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like. How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my new computer.[Jim









Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

I didn't say SSDs don't make a considerable difference. I said the difference doesn't matter to me and I am not convinced it would be important for many users, depending on how they use a computer.

I don't know the price of an SSD now compared with that of a mechanical drive but if there is still a price difference that matters, depending on what the difference is, I still might not get one in a new computer.

If I did things regularly where the difference really mattered, I would be far more likely to get one even if the cost amounted to something.

If people want speed because they want speed and can afford it, then they may do whatever they want and I wouldn't say anything. But I think that people who recommend things because they are faster should not only discuss that aspect, but what the cost is and where it really matters.

I haven't used one but say it speeds up web page loading by two or three seconds. I don't know if it does. If I spend between fifty seconds and two minutes looking at a page and it loads in two seconds instead of five, does three seconds a page matter enough to spend the extra money on an SSD, if there is still a significant difference and depending on my financial situation?

Working on a document in a word processor is almost all time spent working on the document. the same with streaming. Time is almost all spent listening to whatever it is.

I don't know enough about mechanical drives to know if this consideration matters, but if I traveled a good deal and used my laptop while traveling, it might make sense to buy an SSD because of badd jolts while traveling, such as a bad pothole or, though rare, the very bad air pocket. I don't know how well mechanical drives are protected from such shocks these days. SSDs wouldn't be bothered at all so that may be another reason to use one.

In short, I object to discussions about speed when people ask what they should get being made without considering these sorts of questions.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop with 2 TBS
HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to them as
digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes
saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write capacity
before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to worry too
much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just some
points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







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enes saribas
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At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual channel
ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even if you don't
use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and endurance. A
processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5,
don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





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John Holcomb II
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Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







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Jim Rawls
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Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting, so, I
want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use music
files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player, and, a good
recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and have been using
virtual recorder, but I’m open to suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on my
new computer.[Jim

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