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Re: can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene
 

If you read and understood what you read, you wouldn't keep insisting that you are right and that other knowledgeable people are wrong. Quote:
If your computer came with Windows pre-installed, you may also see a third option, “Restore Factory Settings”. This will restore the original version that came with your PC–so if your computer came with Windows 8, and you upgraded to Windows 10, it will reset back to Windows 8. Unquote.

In other words, you may be able to use reset if you have upgraded to either reinstall Windows 8 if that what was originally on your system or Windows 10.

What you sent proves that I and others have been right.

Gene

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Keith,
I’m sorry you’re still having these PC issues, but at the sametime, I’m glad to see you haven’t given up! Yes, this can be quite frustrating, no doubt, I copied and pasted some information below for you to read about performing a reset on your PC. If I were you, I would definitely just call the Microsoft Disability Help Desk, and I copied and pasted that phone number below providing you are in the US, as MS is in the Philippines I think, and I will also copy and paste FS phone number so if you need to call them regarding JAWS. Although, the MS Help Desk should be able to help you with JAWS as well, or at least that’s why they are there. So, if you do call MS, they can remotely log in to your PC after they give you a code with some letters and numbers and you can enter them in to your PC, and you will need to except the agreement to allow them to log in to your PC. They will look through your PC for you, and they can tell you what the problem might be, and matter of fact, they might be able to rectify some of the issues if not all of them. If they think you need to perform a reset, they can set that up for you as well. You can still keep JAWS on your PC, but remember as I’m sure you know once the sighted people get ahold of that Mouse, JAWS will sound like he has a speech impediment, but don’t worry as that will not do any harm to JAWS. It does sound like you might have a few different issues going on with the Laptop, so I think it is in your best interest to call MS and do what you need to do, and be done with it. You will feel much better! Keith there are so many reasons your PC can be acting this way, so many questions, but so little answers, and chances are you might not have all the answers yourself, especially if your PC is not even working correctly. So chances, you can’t even follow any instructions on your PC someone might be giving to you. So, please red below about the reset feature in Windows 10, and MS and FS phone numbers will be below that. and call MS, and hopefully, you will give us some great news, as I would love to hear that! Smile! I know it is very frustrating right now, but I do firmly believe there is light at the end of this tunnel!


Everything You Need to Know About “Reset This PC” in Windows 8 and 10
CHRIS HOFFMAN @chrisbhoffman
Windows 10 includes a “Reset your PC” option that quickly restores Windows to its factory default configuration. It’s faster and more convenient than reinstalling Windows from scratch or using your manufacturer’s recovery partition.

Windows 8 had separate “Refresh your PC” and “Reset your PC” options. Refresh kept all your files and personalization settings, but set your PC settings to the default and uninstalled your desktop apps. Reset removed everything, including your files–like doing a complete Windows reset from scratch.

On Windows 10, things are a bit simpler. The only option is “Reset your PC”, but during the process, you’ll get to choose whether to keep your personal files or not.

How Resetting Your PC Works
When you use the “Reset this PC” feature in Windows, Windows resets itself to its factory default state. If you purchased a PC and it came with Windows 10 installed, your PC will be in the same state you received it in. All the manufacturer installed software and drivers that came with the PC will be reinstalled. If you installed Windows 10 yourself, it will be a fresh Windows 10 system without any additional software.
You can choose whether you want to keep your personal files or erase them. However, all your installed programs and settings will be erased. This ensures you have a fresh system. Any problems caused by third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC.

If your computer came with Windows pre-installed, you may also see a third option, “Restore Factory Settings”. This will restore the original version that came with your PC–so if your computer came with Windows 8, and you upgraded to Windows 10, it will reset back to Windows 8.
This process is very similar to reinstalling Windows from scratch or using a manufacturer-supplied recovery partition, but is more convenient.

Under the Hood
Microsoft has explained what’s actually going on under the hood here. When you reset your PC and remove everything:

The PC boots into Windows RE, the Windows Recovery Environment
Windows RE erases and formats the Windows partitions before installing a fresh copy of Windows.
The PC restarts into the new copy of Windows.
When you choose to keep your files, the same steps occur. However, before erasing your Windows partition, Windows RE scans the hard drive for your files and personal settings. It places them aside, installs a fresh copy of Windows, and puts them back where they were found.

Whether you choose to keep your personal files or not, this process involves a completely fresh Windows system. That’s why your desktop programs are erased.

How to Reset Your PC From Within Windows
To reset your PC to its factory default settings on Windows 10, just open the Settings app and head to Update & Security > Recovery. Click or tap the “Get Started” button under “Reset this PC”.

On Windows 8, head to Change PC Settings > Update & Recovery > Recovery to find the equivalent “Refresh your PC” and “Reset this PC” options.

You can choose to either “Keep my files” or “Remove everything”. If you select “Keep my files”, Windows will reset Windows to its default state, removing your installed applications and settings but keeping your personal files. If you select “Remove everything”, Windows will erase everything, including your personal files.

If you just want a fresh Windows system, select “Keep my files” to reset Windows without deleting your personal files. You should use the “Remove everything” option when selling a computer or giving it to someone else, as this will erase your personal data and set the machine to its factory default state. Either way, it’s a good idea to have backups of your important files before using this feature.

In Windows 8, the “Keep my files” option was named “Refresh your PC” and the “Remove everything” option was named “Reset your PC”. Windows 10 simplifies things by calling this process “Reset your PC” and asking what you want to do with your files.
If you choose to remove everything, Windows will ask if you want to “clean the drives, too”. Select “Remove files and clean the drive” and Windows will copy data over the drive to ensure your deleted files can’t be recovered. This is the ideal option to use when you’re selling or giving away the PC (or its hard drive).

How to Reset Your PC From the Boot Menu
RELATED: Three Ways to Access the Windows 8 or 10 Boot Options Menu

If your Windows PC isn’t booting properly, you can reset it from the boot options menu. We’ve covered several ways to access this menu. However, this menu will also appear automatically if Windows can’t boot.

Select Troubleshoot > Reset this PC to reset your PC from the menu.

How to Get a Fresh Windows 10 System Without the Bloatware
RELATED: How to Easily Reinstall Windows 10 Without the Bloatware

The “Reset this PC” option is convenient, but there’s one big problem with it: if your PC manufacturer installed a lot of junk software you don’t want at the factory, resetting your PC will bring all that junk back.
Thankfully, with Windows 10’s Anniversary Update, there’s now an easy way to get a fresh-from-Microsoft Windows 10 system. Just click the “Learn how to start fresh with a clean installation of Windows” link on the Settings > Update & Security > Recovery screen.

The new “Give your PC a fresh start” tool will download a Windows 10 image straight from Microsoft and install it on your system, giving you a fresh-from-Microsoft system with none of that factory software installed. The hardware drivers you need should be automatically downloaded from Windows Update after you’re done. If you need a hardware driver or utility that isn’t automatically installed from Windows Update, you’ll find them on your PC manufacturer’s downloadsite.


https://www.howtogeek.com/author/chrishoffman/

Microsoft Accessibility Help Desk 800-936-5900 United States Only.
FS number if you need to call for JAWS 727-803-8600






From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

one major problem with trying any of the suggesitons:

I have no clue as to how to access defrag, how to determine amount of ram and cpu speed, how to check cpu usage and ram usage, and how to do a syste check on windows 10.

Yes, I'm sure they are all very simple to figure out, but migrating from xp which I am very fluent with to a very slow machine and having to literally hit a link or hit return or space bar on a button and then go wander of to do something else while the computer actually does what I just ordered it to do is a bit...frustrating to say the least.

Keith
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From: Cochise<mailto:cochise1998@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.
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From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@gmail.com<mailto:pammygirl99@gmail.com>>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


hen I tried to install it.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you. If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









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Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Janet
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 7:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Keith,
I’m sorry you’re still having these PC issues, but at the sametime, I’m glad to see you haven’t given up! Yes, this can be quite frustrating, no doubt, I copied and pasted some information below for you to read about performing a reset on your PC. If I were you, I would definitely just call the Microsoft Disability Help Desk, and I copied and pasted that phone number below providing you are in the US, as MS is in the Philippines I think, and I will also copy and paste FS phone number so if you need to call them regarding JAWS. Although, the MS Help Desk should be able to help you with JAWS as well, or at least that’s why they are there. So, if you do call MS, they can remotely log in to your PC after they give you a code with some letters and numbers and you can enter them in to your PC, and you will need to except the agreement to allow them to log in to your PC. They will look through your PC for you, and they can tell you what the problem might be, and matter of fact, they might be able to rectify some of the issues if not all of them. If they think you need to perform a reset, they can set that up for you as well. You can still keep JAWS on your PC, but remember as I’m sure you know once the sighted people get ahold of that Mouse, JAWS will sound like he has a speech impediment, but don’t worry as that will not do any harm to JAWS. It does sound like you might have a few different issues going on with the Laptop, so I think it is in your best interest to call MS and do what you need to do, and be done with it. You will feel much better! Keith there are so many reasons your PC can be acting this way, so many questions, but so little answers, and chances are you might not have all the answers yourself, especially if your PC is not even working correctly. So chances, you can’t even follow any instructions on your PC someone might be giving to you. So, please red below about the reset feature in Windows 10, and MS and FS phone numbers will be below that. and call MS, and hopefully, you will give us some great news, as I would love to hear that! Smile! I know it is very frustrating right now, but I do firmly believe there is light at the end of this tunnel!


Everything You Need to Know About “Reset This PC” in Windows 8 and 10
CHRIS HOFFMAN @chrisbhoffman
Windows 10 includes a “Reset your PC” option that quickly restores Windows to its factory default configuration. It’s faster and more convenient than reinstalling Windows from scratch or using your manufacturer’s recovery partition.

Windows 8 had separate “Refresh your PC” and “Reset your PC” options. Refresh kept all your files and personalization settings, but set your PC settings to the default and uninstalled your desktop apps. Reset removed everything, including your files–like doing a complete Windows reset from scratch.

On Windows 10, things are a bit simpler. The only option is “Reset your PC”, but during the process, you’ll get to choose whether to keep your personal files or not.

How Resetting Your PC Works
When you use the “Reset this PC” feature in Windows, Windows resets itself to its factory default state. If you purchased a PC and it came with Windows 10 installed, your PC will be in the same state you received it in. All the manufacturer installed software and drivers that came with the PC will be reinstalled. If you installed Windows 10 yourself, it will be a fresh Windows 10 system without any additional software.
You can choose whether you want to keep your personal files or erase them. However, all your installed programs and settings will be erased. This ensures you have a fresh system. Any problems caused by third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes, or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC.

If your computer came with Windows pre-installed, you may also see a third option, “Restore Factory Settings”. This will restore the original version that came with your PC–so if your computer came with Windows 8, and you upgraded to Windows 10, it will reset back to Windows 8.
This process is very similar to reinstalling Windows from scratch or using a manufacturer-supplied recovery partition, but is more convenient.

Under the Hood
Microsoft has explained what’s actually going on under the hood here. When you reset your PC and remove everything:

The PC boots into Windows RE, the Windows Recovery Environment
Windows RE erases and formats the Windows partitions before installing a fresh copy of Windows.
The PC restarts into the new copy of Windows.
When you choose to keep your files, the same steps occur. However, before erasing your Windows partition, Windows RE scans the hard drive for your files and personal settings. It places them aside, installs a fresh copy of Windows, and puts them back where they were found.

Whether you choose to keep your personal files or not, this process involves a completely fresh Windows system. That’s why your desktop programs are erased.

How to Reset Your PC From Within Windows
To reset your PC to its factory default settings on Windows 10, just open the Settings app and head to Update & Security > Recovery. Click or tap the “Get Started” button under “Reset this PC”.

On Windows 8, head to Change PC Settings > Update & Recovery > Recovery to find the equivalent “Refresh your PC” and “Reset this PC” options.

You can choose to either “Keep my files” or “Remove everything”. If you select “Keep my files”, Windows will reset Windows to its default state, removing your installed applications and settings but keeping your personal files. If you select “Remove everything”, Windows will erase everything, including your personal files.

If you just want a fresh Windows system, select “Keep my files” to reset Windows without deleting your personal files. You should use the “Remove everything” option when selling a computer or giving it to someone else, as this will erase your personal data and set the machine to its factory default state. Either way, it’s a good idea to have backups of your important files before using this feature.

In Windows 8, the “Keep my files” option was named “Refresh your PC” and the “Remove everything” option was named “Reset your PC”. Windows 10 simplifies things by calling this process “Reset your PC” and asking what you want to do with your files.
If you choose to remove everything, Windows will ask if you want to “clean the drives, too”. Select “Remove files and clean the drive” and Windows will copy data over the drive to ensure your deleted files can’t be recovered. This is the ideal option to use when you’re selling or giving away the PC (or its hard drive).

How to Reset Your PC From the Boot Menu
RELATED: Three Ways to Access the Windows 8 or 10 Boot Options Menu

If your Windows PC isn’t booting properly, you can reset it from the boot options menu. We’ve covered several ways to access this menu. However, this menu will also appear automatically if Windows can’t boot.

Select Troubleshoot > Reset this PC to reset your PC from the menu.

How to Get a Fresh Windows 10 System Without the Bloatware
RELATED: How to Easily Reinstall Windows 10 Without the Bloatware

The “Reset this PC” option is convenient, but there’s one big problem with it: if your PC manufacturer installed a lot of junk software you don’t want at the factory, resetting your PC will bring all that junk back.
Thankfully, with Windows 10’s Anniversary Update, there’s now an easy way to get a fresh-from-Microsoft Windows 10 system. Just click the “Learn how to start fresh with a clean installation of Windows” link on the Settings > Update & Security > Recovery screen.

The new “Give your PC a fresh start” tool will download a Windows 10 image straight from Microsoft and install it on your system, giving you a fresh-from-Microsoft system with none of that factory software installed. The hardware drivers you need should be automatically downloaded from Windows Update after you’re done. If you need a hardware driver or utility that isn’t automatically installed from Windows Update, you’ll find them on your PC manufacturer’s downloadsite.


https://www.howtogeek.com/author/chrishoffman/

Microsoft Accessibility Help Desk 800-936-5900 United States Only.
FS number if you need to call for JAWS 727-803-8600






From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 11:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

one major problem with trying any of the suggesitons:

I have no clue as to how to access defrag, how to determine amount of ram and cpu speed, how to check cpu usage and ram usage, and how to do a syste check on windows 10.

Yes, I'm sure they are all very simple to figure out, but migrating from xp which I am very fluent with to a very slow machine and having to literally hit a link or hit return or space bar on a button and then go wander of to do something else while the computer actually does what I just ordered it to do is a bit...frustrating to say the least.

Keith
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From: Cochise<mailto:cochise1998@gmail.com>
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Windows 8 started shipping on computers in 2012 and Windows 10 started
shipping in 2015, so the computer must be 5 years old or older, but that
does not mean Windows 10 would not run on it . Over the past few weeks many
suggestions has been given him to get the computer fixed, but so far he has
not said he has tried any of the suggestions.
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From: "Pamela Dominguez" <pammygirl99@gmail.com<mailto:pammygirl99@gmail.com>>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


I was thinking that when he said it was in a warehouse. Even if she got it
for him two years ago, you don't know how many years it sat in the
warehouse, unfortunately. Pam.

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From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 7:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I wonder why. From the conversation, it sounds as though the machine may be
much older. It would be a good idea to see if it is new enough to run
Windows 10 well before you do a reset.

Someone might be able to tell you how to assess the machine. I can tell you
how to find some technical information but I don't know enough technically
to evaluate some of it.

Gene
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From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 4:46 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
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hen I tried to install it.

Keith

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From: Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Did it say that in general or when you tried to run a specific program or
programs?

Gene
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From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 9:27 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?


That’s interesting, because I have heard people on lists say they used it.
Maybe in an earlier version of windows ten? Pam.

From: Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2021 12:10 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Window eyes will not isntall on my windows 10 computer. I tried and it
said I needed to try another screen reader program.

Keith

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From: Pamela Dominguez
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Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
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And he could try window eyes. Some people still use it in windows ten.
Pam.

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From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 5:30 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Switching to JAWS shouldn't cause a significant difference in speed. of
course, as a test, he could compare the speed using NVDA or Narrator.
Knowing how old the machine is may matter.

Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Gene,
I already asked Keith if the PC started slowing down after the upgrade
rather some months later or maybe a year later, but I didn't see any answer
other than he wasn't for sure because he started using JAWS at the same
time, and he came from Window Eyes, or I think that is what he said. He
also said he has had Windows 10 on his PC for 2 or 3 years, and that is all
I know in which isn't very much! Smile!

Janet

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

The first question to ask, now that we know that Windows was upgraded, not
installed as a new clean copy, is, did the computer run slowly immediately
after the upgrade or did it become slow later. It would have been good if I
had asked that. If the answer is that the computer ran slowly since the
upgrade, I think the upgrade is by far the likely possibility. If the
answer is that the computer ran well for awhile, then slowed down, I would
look for other causes.

A lot of the causes you posit, may be causes, but they are unlikely, or
without more information, I would consider unlikely. For example, defrag
doesn't slow a computer down enough to account for the slowness complained
of.

If the computer isn't a bottom of the line budget machine, and not a high
end more or less gaming performance machine, it is likely to have 8GB of
RAM. That is generally what is placed in machines aimed at the majority of
computer users.

While your message is useful in that it may cause us to get more information
about the machine and discuss other possibilities, at this point, without
more information, I think the upgrade is by far a more likely cause.

Gene
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From: Janet
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2021 3:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

Hi Gene,
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with what you are saying here. There
are several different reasons why Keith's PC could be running slow. Does he
have enough Ram, What kind of processor is on his PC, how old is the PC, are
there to many programs-apps running in the background, is there too many
apps opened at the same time, does the PC have too much Bloatware, has he
deleted any apps-Software he doesn't need or want, has he ever performed a
Defrag, if so, when was that, is Windows 10 defrag feature automatically
turned on, does he know when or if the PC is defragging, does this slowness
happen when the PC is plugged in, are the batteries weak on his PC, is the
PC overheating, how often does he restart the PC, what version of JAWS is he
using, is the version of JAWS compatible with Windows 10, is there any
malware on the PC, has he checked the power plan settings, is Cortana turned
on, has he ever used the Disk Clean-up, so as you can see there are
definitely several different reasons why the PC could be slow. As far as
doing a reset, because his PC came with Windows 8, it will just go right
back to Windows 8 if he does a reset, for the simple fact, reset is a
wonderful feature, but it does revert right back to factory settings, in
which he would end up with Windows 8. Keith wouldn't even be able to use
JAWS during the process. I don't know if he wants that. Like I said the
Reset feature in Windows 10 is a wonderful feature, and I'm sure the PC will
run much faster, but then again, that gets rid of all the old Bloatware, and
downloads new Bloatware, so in due time, the PC will start slowing down
again. I'm sure there must be some way to download Windows 10 without so
much Bloatware, but I'm just not for sure, as I'm also learning Windows 10
as I go along. My personal opinion is do some maintenance and see how the
PC is running. I don't even know if Keith is willing to go through all
that, or if he has some sighted assistance to help him with all that.


Janet

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 11:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?

I doubt that such considerations are causing the slowness. As far as a
reset is concerned, if you do the reset or whatever it is called from within
Windowsw 10, you will get a clean copy of Windows 10. It doesn't matter
what the previous operating system was. If you did the restore to factory
state, which isn't a Wihndows 10 reset, then you would be back to Windows 8
but that's a completely different procedure and it isn't accessible. You
aren't even booted into Windows when you do the factory restore.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?



Hi Keith,

I’m sorry for my late reply, but I’ve been extremely busy. I wouldn’t
perform any reset, refresh, and definitely not a factory reset. The reason
I say this is because your PC came with Windows 8. Although, I would
definitely check the PC to see what apps are running in the background, what
apps are starting on boot up, how many apps are running at the same time,
before doing anything to the PC. You could also check how much disk space
you have on your PC. You could also check to be for sure you are getting
all the necessary updates, as well as drivers, you could also check and
delete any apps you might not need or want, in which this could also improve
performance on your PC, in which I think that would make a huge difference.
Having said all this, I’m thinking you are going to have to perform a defrag
on your PC, providing your PC doesn’t have a SSD, and if so, I wouldn’t do a
defrag. I know MS has machines set to defrag I think once a month, and this
is set as default. Although, some times that isn’t enough, but then again,
MS doesn’t know what you will be doing with your PC either, so sometimes we
have to defrag more than just once a month, but then again, it really all
depends on what you are doing with your PC. Matter of fact, I checked my
Windows 7 to see why it is running much faster than my new Windows 10, and I
apparently set my Windows 7 to defrag once a week, and that is because I do
quite a bit with my Windows 7. I checked my Windows 10, and sure enough, MS
has it set as the default to defrag once a month, so I will be changing that
as well, as deleting some gremlins that came along with Windows 10. Smile!
So you have to also take in to consideration what you are doing with your
PC, and only you know that. I noticed you said you are using JAWS as your
screen reader, so what version of JAWS are you using? I don’t know how but
for some reason, I didn’t increase the speech rate on JAWS when I installed
him on Windows 10, so I thought oh my goodness this Windows 10 is just to
slow, so it finally dawned on me to increase JAWS speech rate, and my Laptop
seems to be running faster now! LOL! Stupidity on my part! So as you can
see, you do have several different options in order to improve performance
on your PC, but it all depends on how much time and effort you might want
to put in to it. I definitely think it is well worth putting time and
effort in to it, but that is up to you. You could also call ms if you want
to, and explain to them the problems you are having, and see what they will
say. MS can also log in to your PC, and chances are they can tell what the
problem is, and tell you what to do about it, or they can do it for you. If
you are interested in calling them, I can give you their phone number
providing you are in the US, so just let me know. Keith don’t give up,
because like I said you do have several different options here.



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 9:23 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







No clue. I did not get jaws until they bought window eyes/gwmicro and I
installed jaws on the windows 10 computer. the computer came with windows 8
and I knew that I would be updating it to windows 10 and also knew that
window eyes (at it's last version) did not work on windows 10 OS.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2021 8:16 AM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

Did the Laptop start slowing down right after your cousin installed Windows
10, or was it sometime later, like maybe some months or maybe a year later?
I ask these questions because the more information you can provide to us,
the more we can pinpoint the problem. As, I know this can be quite
annoying, having a slow PC!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 9:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had the laptop with windows 10 on it for 2 to 3 years. It originally
came with windows 8 and my cousin ran the free upgrade to windows 10 (took
about 8 hours for the download and installation so I left it with him and he
got it back a couple of days later.



It's an HP laptop.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 3:10 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Keith,

How long have you had Windows 10? Do you have a Desktop or Laptop? I really
don’t think JAWS can slow down a PC though. Although, JAWS can be a little
flaky sometimes, but I just don’t think we can hold JAWS responsible for
this one! Smile! There has to be something else that is slowing down your
PC. I’m hopeing when I finally remove the bloatware from my Windows Laptop,
it will pick up some spead! Oh what I would give to have Windows XP again,
as I loved that XP. I know the days of Windows XP is long gone!



Janet





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 9:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







I've had a computer guy take a look at it and he said that besides some HP
proprietary software required to run the actual computer , I don't have any
bloat ware running on my system. he is not familiar with screen readers but
he said that jaws might be the cause of the slow down. And yes, I to am
trying to learn windows 10 and also jaws as I am a former window eyes user.
I still run a laptop with xp and window eyes and it is a heck of a lot
faster than my "new" laptop with jaws and win 10 on it. I don't do any
emailing or shopping on it, but I like the smoothness and the response and
speed of the window eyes and xp experience on the older computer.







Shrug. Needless to say, a lot of the internet and what not is cut off from
me because of the xp machine not being able to load most websites but hey, I
prefer getting things typed out on my xp wordpad rather than typing a line
of text on the win 10 comptuer and then having to wait for either jaws or
win 10 to catch up and actually speak the line I just typed.







Keith



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From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:49 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Keith,

I’m not very familiar with Windows 10, but I’m learning! LOL! As far as
your pc running that slow, I would definitely check to see what apps might
be running in the background. Slow computers are often caused by too many
programs running simultaneously, taking up processing power and reducing the
PC's performance. That’s just my personal opinion though. I don’t know if
you are running a Desktop or Laptop like I am or not, but even though, I’ve
had my new Laptop barely 3 weeks, and I haven’t worked on it much this past
week, my Laptop appears to be much slower than my old Windows 7, and I’ve
had Windows 7 since 2012. Although, I’m sure my slowness of my new Laptop
is caused by a lot of bloatware that came with Windows 10 as well as the
updates, I know I need to get rid of, or at least I hope that’s all it is!
Smile! As far as using the Reset option, from my understanding, the reset
feature is a repair tool in Windows 10. You can use that, and you can
choose what you want to keep, and after the repair, that will reinstall a
fresh copy of Windows 10. I hope this helps a little, as I just can’t stand
a sluggish pc, I would rather throw it out the Window! Smile!





Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:27 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







does this resetting reinstall windows completely, (aka download a new copy
of windows from the Microsoft servers and install it on your system? I
upgraded from windows 8 to windows 10 when MS was offering the free update
and my system is is as slow as heck. I have the proper amount of ram and
cpu speed on my laptop to handle windows 10 and jaws, but the computer is
very "laggy" and simple things like opening a folder can take up to 2
minutes to complete and allow access to the files in the folder. opening
programs is the same way, even functions taht are part of windows are slow
to open and respond.











thanks



3



Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Janet



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>



Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:05 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?







Hi Jim,

I’m sorry you’re still having this problem, as this can be quite
frustorating! Jim, if we had an idea is to what MS has already done on your
PC, we could at least alimanate some suggestions. I could say you could use
the reset feature, in which you would have the option to save your files or
remove them, and a fresh Windows would download, but then again, some of
your files could be causing you from downloading, so we don’t know if that
would help. I’m not really too familiar with Windows Ten, but I’m learning!
From my understanding, if you reset your PC and keep files,

This reset option will reinstall Windows 10 and keeps your personal files,
such as photos, music, videos or personal files. However, it will remove
apps and drivers you installed, and also removes the changes you made to the
settings. I think using the reset option, it can take maybe two or three
hours, if you decide to keep your files during the reset process. I also
think third-party software, system file corruption, system settings changes,
or malware should be fixed by resetting your PC though. I hope at least
this gives you something to think about, if MS hasn’t already done this.





Janet









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Jim Rawls
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 2:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io<mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] can a blind person set up a computer without sighted
help?? and with the problems I am having, would it help?





Hi all, my computer won’t update, and hasn’t in months. Microsoft has tried
to fix the problem and they say they can’t fix the problem. So what if I
reset this computer to factory settings, would it eliminate problems like
this? I of course would have to store the programs I have now, but that can
be done. Anyway, I need your thoughts. I am running windows ten and jaws 18,
because I can’t install 2019, or 2020. Jim

































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Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Janet
 

Hello Austin,
I’m going to forward an email message I sent to Keith on this list back in I think Feb of 2021. Now, you can read this, and if you still want to say the reset feature won't revert back to Windows 8, I would love to hear from you. The message is kind of long, so please read the entire message.

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Austin Pinto
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:49 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

so to do a reset, and no that wont revert you back to windows 8.
first things first, backup all the data you have on c drive.
next, make sure that you ave activation codes for any programs that
require them as the reset will remove all programs, accept the apps
that came with windows.
after you are sure that you have everything saved.
you press windows and i.
press tab once.
go to update and security which is right at the end of the list, so
pressing the end key if you have 1 will directly take you there.
then go to recovery.
and click on reset this pc.
the pc will reboot 2 3 times, you wont have jaws or any screen reader,
but after the pc has rebooted for the first time, just wait for 1 or 2
minutes and press control windows enter, this will launch narrator and
it will give you progress about what is happening.
after resetting you may have to enter microsoft account.
if you dont want to do this, dont connect to wifi or internet via cable.
tell it i dont have internet and continue with limited setup.
after creating a local account and finishing setup, then connect to
internet and again it will ask you to enter a microsoft account, tell
it i will do this later and click on complete setup.
now you will have to reinstall all programs from scratch.

On 4/19/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that. I don't have Windows

10. I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset. As I recall, another list

member described in detail how it is done. Whether I responded and said I
don't know how it is done, I don't recall. I may not have either as an
oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so

I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not. Prove it? Do a Google
search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it. I don't thing the feature
that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state

is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows. You
initiate it before Windows boots. the procedure is initiated differently on

different brands and models of computer. Reset was one of the new features

in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it

allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine. You shouldn't

have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I

said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would

put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset
feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find

it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You
said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will
say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is
enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of

Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever
it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered
you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for
the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I
know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and
windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith





























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Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Jim Wohlgamuth
 

Hi there Thomas and GROUP!

I am using a system that I had built in 2011 and I have upgraded the video card as well as the HD and that's about it for the upgrades.  I have 4 GB ram and have experienced little or none of the above mentioned issues. My only complaint with my existing system is that it is a bit slow at times. OH, I forgot, I have a 29 GHZ processor.  I have never had my speech stutter and I have very few if any computer crashes.  Yes, I use it on the internet regularly as well as using thunderbird and a whole host of other software. Just my 2-sense worth! <SMILE!>. Have A Great Day!

de

<wohlggie@...><KF8LT><Jim Wohlgamuth>. 

On 19-Apr-21 15:32, Thomas N. Chan wrote:
I dare to say from experience.  Stuttering of speech, out of sudden slow respond and screen reader crashes, is partly cause by less power machine but, thats only 50%.
If you get lower end specifications hardware, you probably get more on them if you squeeze more juice out of them.
opening a lot of windows or tab like chrome, its just going to kill the responsiveness of the computer itself.
As computer gets older, parts wear and tear, programs get bigger, all these  are one of the few factor which causes all these. 
crashes of a program is another whole set of issue to talk about.

My point throughout this topic still apply, if you can afford it, get more ram, get a SSD drive and a spinning drive as storage. 
if you can't afford better ones, work within your budget. I am sure a lot of computer brand always give you good deals regularly and that includes amazon and those mart out there.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 02:52, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You didn't understand my message.  I didn't shoot you down and my point wasa
not to comment generally.  I was commenting one one contention in one post.
One message said or strongly implied that if you get a system that doesn't
have the specifications indicated, you would likely have problems like
stuttering speech and crashes.  I said that I don't believe it, that there
are so few complaints of such problems on the e-mail lists of blind
compu8ter users I follow that that is evidence against it and that people
shouldn't be afraid of getting systems that have these problems because they
get systems that don't match the specifications discussed by this one
poster.

I did not comment on or deispute other things discussed in the thread.

This is the  text of the post I object to:

> And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
> about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
> general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
> 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
> can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core
> processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.


I am referring to Gene. People who get computers from such association as
what  John mentioned, are happy to own a computer with low price or even
free.
I myself was at that kind of situation previously.
Please don't compare things there's no different when you yourself didn't
try before.
you read things online or by article or whatever by a tech geek that you
know. but we are speaking from experience as a blind users and you shot us
down saying how correct your point are.
Like it or not, jaws are getting bigger, NVDA are getting bigger, dll
library and all those programming are getting bigger.  reading and writing
on the harddrive  is not the point, is if you can RAM on them. RAM is always
faster than harddrive. When its there, the program or OS will just pick it
up.
Windows itself are just getting bigger. more ram, more faster access
capacity are just going to make a different. not just a few second.
10 seconds to boot up vs a minute, you don't see a difference?
even the lowest specification of a SSD is going to be faster than a spinning
drive.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan



On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 00:40, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:
They have minimum donation when you donate to Computers For The Blind.
Anyone who is getting a computer from there is just happy to have  a
computer  at all.
I'd define typical user as the type that would be doing  light tasks on a
PC.
For those users (especially who can't afford to buy one themselves), 8GB and
whatever is given to them from Computers For The Blind will be good enough
for the light usage.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt that in general, having a slower drive and 8GB of RAM for the
typical user results in stuttering speech and crashes.  As to slow boot ups,
I've already discussed that,  While I see some messages complaining about
this or that problem, such as stuttering speech or crashes, its hardly
enough on lists like this, year after year, to draw such conclusions.  And
there are so many factors that can cause such problems that those small
number of complaints I see can't be at all assumed to come from an
underpowered machine.


I suspect that most blind people of the typical user variety, actually have
8GB of RAM.  That's what a lot of computers come with and the majority of
computer ;purchasers probably get what is offered.


From comments in this thread, it appears that a lot perhaps most computers
now already come with solid state drives so that is no longer evidently much
of an issue.


I can't say which chips people should get who are typical users but no one
I've read as computer advisors and I haven't seen anyone on lists like this
that I recall, have said that the typical user will benefit in any
meaningful way by using 32GB of ram.


And the discussion we are having has implications for those who get
computers from organizations like Computers For the Blind.  I doubt those
machines are at all the sort of 16GB of RAM, solid state drive machines
being discussed here.  I don't think people who want a computer but have
limited means and find a new one difficult to afford should worry about
getting one from such an organization unless they are more demanding users.
If the organization in question has a lot of complaints about the machines
they send out, that is a different question but for many people, not having
a machine of the kind being discussed here isn't necessary, whether they
would prefer one or not.


As I said, from comments in this thread, I'm willing to accept that 16GB of
RAM may increase performance and of course an SSD does, but at the same
time, I don't think the impression should be left that using a machine such
as you might get from Computers For the Blind without an SSD or 16GB of ram
is going to mean the typical user will have problems based on the lower
specifications.


Gene

On 4/19/2021 4:53 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
> about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
> general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
> 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
> can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core
> processor likely will stay current for at least that long.
>
> On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
>> Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether
>> I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of
>> owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and
>> the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference
>> to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.
>>
>> Chris Judge
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>> enes saribas
>> Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>
>> 32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.
>>
>> On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
>>> I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state
>>> hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both
>>> and in my experience they do.
>>>
>>> Chris Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is
>>> having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or
>>> a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70
>>> miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top
>>> speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chris judge
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and
>>> 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Janet
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as
>>> I have a
>>> 519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop
>>> with
>>> 2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
>>> But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than
>>> 256GB.
>>> Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
>>> If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
>>> upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
>>> wouldn't be a bad idea.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to
>>> them as digital drives.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.
>>>
>>> I forget what it is though.
>>>
>>> Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive
>>> before.
>>> What is that.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Monte Single
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.
>>>
>>> What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane
>>> memory.
>>>
>>> Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Monte
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> enes saribas
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
>>> if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write
>>> capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write
>>> performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.
>>>
>>> IT really depends on what he is doing.
>>>
>>> With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
>>> worry too much about that either.
>>>
>>> I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
>>> just some points to consider.
>>>
>>> I do however agree with the 8GB ram.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
>>> Behalf Of enes saribas
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
>>> channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it,
>>> even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write
>>> speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th
>>> gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like
>>> pentium/celeron/i3 processors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will let you know as I find out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then broadcasting?
>>>
>>> I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.
>>>
>>> Is there a price you have to contend with?
>>>
>>> How are you storing your music files?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
>>> Behalf Of Jim Rawls
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
>>> so, I want your opinions.
>>>
>>> What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
>>> music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
>>> player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
>>> player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to
>>> suggestions on any  recorder you like.
>>> How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
>>> appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021
>>> on my new computer.[Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Thomas N. Chan
 

I dare to say from experience.  Stuttering of speech, out of sudden slow respond and screen reader crashes, is partly cause by less power machine but, thats only 50%.
If you get lower end specifications hardware, you probably get more on them if you squeeze more juice out of them.
opening a lot of windows or tab like chrome, its just going to kill the responsiveness of the computer itself.
As computer gets older, parts wear and tear, programs get bigger, all these  are one of the few factor which causes all these. 
crashes of a program is another whole set of issue to talk about.

My point throughout this topic still apply, if you can afford it, get more ram, get a SSD drive and a spinning drive as storage. 
if you can't afford better ones, work within your budget. I am sure a lot of computer brand always give you good deals regularly and that includes amazon and those mart out there.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 02:52, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You didn't understand my message.  I didn't shoot you down and my point wasa
not to comment generally.  I was commenting one one contention in one post.
One message said or strongly implied that if you get a system that doesn't
have the specifications indicated, you would likely have problems like
stuttering speech and crashes.  I said that I don't believe it, that there
are so few complaints of such problems on the e-mail lists of blind
compu8ter users I follow that that is evidence against it and that people
shouldn't be afraid of getting systems that have these problems because they
get systems that don't match the specifications discussed by this one
poster.

I did not comment on or deispute other things discussed in the thread.

This is the  text of the post I object to:

> And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
> about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
> general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
> 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
> can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core
> processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.


I am referring to Gene. People who get computers from such association as
what  John mentioned, are happy to own a computer with low price or even
free.
I myself was at that kind of situation previously.
Please don't compare things there's no different when you yourself didn't
try before.
you read things online or by article or whatever by a tech geek that you
know. but we are speaking from experience as a blind users and you shot us
down saying how correct your point are.
Like it or not, jaws are getting bigger, NVDA are getting bigger, dll
library and all those programming are getting bigger.  reading and writing
on the harddrive  is not the point, is if you can RAM on them. RAM is always
faster than harddrive. When its there, the program or OS will just pick it
up.
Windows itself are just getting bigger. more ram, more faster access
capacity are just going to make a different. not just a few second.
10 seconds to boot up vs a minute, you don't see a difference?
even the lowest specification of a SSD is going to be faster than a spinning
drive.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan



On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 00:40, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:
They have minimum donation when you donate to Computers For The Blind.
Anyone who is getting a computer from there is just happy to have  a
computer  at all.
I'd define typical user as the type that would be doing  light tasks on a
PC.
For those users (especially who can't afford to buy one themselves), 8GB and
whatever is given to them from Computers For The Blind will be good enough
for the light usage.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt that in general, having a slower drive and 8GB of RAM for the
typical user results in stuttering speech and crashes.  As to slow boot ups,
I've already discussed that,  While I see some messages complaining about
this or that problem, such as stuttering speech or crashes, its hardly
enough on lists like this, year after year, to draw such conclusions.  And
there are so many factors that can cause such problems that those small
number of complaints I see can't be at all assumed to come from an
underpowered machine.


I suspect that most blind people of the typical user variety, actually have
8GB of RAM.  That's what a lot of computers come with and the majority of
computer ;purchasers probably get what is offered.


From comments in this thread, it appears that a lot perhaps most computers
now already come with solid state drives so that is no longer evidently much
of an issue.


I can't say which chips people should get who are typical users but no one
I've read as computer advisors and I haven't seen anyone on lists like this
that I recall, have said that the typical user will benefit in any
meaningful way by using 32GB of ram.


And the discussion we are having has implications for those who get
computers from organizations like Computers For the Blind.  I doubt those
machines are at all the sort of 16GB of RAM, solid state drive machines
being discussed here.  I don't think people who want a computer but have
limited means and find a new one difficult to afford should worry about
getting one from such an organization unless they are more demanding users.
If the organization in question has a lot of complaints about the machines
they send out, that is a different question but for many people, not having
a machine of the kind being discussed here isn't necessary, whether they
would prefer one or not.


As I said, from comments in this thread, I'm willing to accept that 16GB of
RAM may increase performance and of course an SSD does, but at the same
time, I don't think the impression should be left that using a machine such
as you might get from Computers For the Blind without an SSD or 16GB of ram
is going to mean the typical user will have problems based on the lower
specifications.


Gene

On 4/19/2021 4:53 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
> about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
> general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
> 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
> can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core
> processor likely will stay current for at least that long.
>
> On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
>> Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether
>> I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of
>> owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and
>> the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference
>> to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.
>>
>> Chris Judge
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>> enes saribas
>> Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>
>> 32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.
>>
>> On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
>>> I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state
>>> hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both
>>> and in my experience they do.
>>>
>>> Chris Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is
>>> having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or
>>> a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70
>>> miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top
>>> speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chris judge
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and
>>> 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Janet
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as
>>> I have a
>>> 519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop
>>> with
>>> 2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
>>> But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than
>>> 256GB.
>>> Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
>>> If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
>>> upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
>>> wouldn't be a bad idea.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to
>>> them as digital drives.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.
>>>
>>> I forget what it is though.
>>>
>>> Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive
>>> before.
>>> What is that.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Monte Single
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.
>>>
>>> What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane
>>> memory.
>>>
>>> Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Monte
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> enes saribas
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
>>> if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write
>>> capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write
>>> performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.
>>>
>>> IT really depends on what he is doing.
>>>
>>> With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
>>> worry too much about that either.
>>>
>>> I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
>>> just some points to consider.
>>>
>>> I do however agree with the 8GB ram.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
>>> Behalf Of enes saribas
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
>>> channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it,
>>> even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write
>>> speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th
>>> gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like
>>> pentium/celeron/i3 processors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will let you know as I find out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then broadcasting?
>>>
>>> I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.
>>>
>>> Is there a price you have to contend with?
>>>
>>> How are you storing your music files?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
>>> Behalf Of Jim Rawls
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
>>> so, I want your opinions.
>>>
>>> What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
>>> music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
>>> player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
>>> player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to
>>> suggestions on any  recorder you like.
>>> How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
>>> appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021
>>> on my new computer.[Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




















Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

You didn't understand my message. I didn't shoot you down and my point wasa not to comment generally. I was commenting one one contention in one post. One message said or strongly implied that if you get a system that doesn't have the specifications indicated, you would likely have problems like stuttering speech and crashes. I said that I don't believe it, that there are so few complaints of such problems on the e-mail lists of blind compu8ter users I follow that that is evidence against it and that people shouldn't be afraid of getting systems that have these problems because they get systems that don't match the specifications discussed by this one poster.

I did not comment on or deispute other things discussed in the thread.

This is the text of the post I object to:

And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
general issues. Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
can make, and you probably could use it 6-7 years, because my 8 core
processor likely will stay current for at least that long.
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:25 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.


I am referring to Gene. People who get computers from such association as what John mentioned, are happy to own a computer with low price or even free.
I myself was at that kind of situation previously.
Please don't compare things there's no different when you yourself didn't try before.
you read things online or by article or whatever by a tech geek that you know. but we are speaking from experience as a blind users and you shot us down saying how correct your point are.
Like it or not, jaws are getting bigger, NVDA are getting bigger, dll library and all those programming are getting bigger. reading and writing on the harddrive is not the point, is if you can RAM on them. RAM is always faster than harddrive. When its there, the program or OS will just pick it up.
Windows itself are just getting bigger. more ram, more faster access capacity are just going to make a different. not just a few second.
10 seconds to boot up vs a minute, you don't see a difference?
even the lowest specification of a SSD is going to be faster than a spinning drive.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan



On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 00:40, John Holcomb II <jhii926@gmail.com> wrote:
They have minimum donation when you donate to Computers For The Blind.
Anyone who is getting a computer from there is just happy to have a computer at all.
I'd define typical user as the type that would be doing light tasks on a PC.
For those users (especially who can't afford to buy one themselves), 8GB and whatever is given to them from Computers For The Blind will be good enough for the light usage.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt that in general, having a slower drive and 8GB of RAM for the typical user results in stuttering speech and crashes. As to slow boot ups, I've already discussed that, While I see some messages complaining about this or that problem, such as stuttering speech or crashes, its hardly enough on lists like this, year after year, to draw such conclusions. And there are so many factors that can cause such problems that those small number of complaints I see can't be at all assumed to come from an underpowered machine.


I suspect that most blind people of the typical user variety, actually have 8GB of RAM. That's what a lot of computers come with and the majority of computer ;purchasers probably get what is offered.


From comments in this thread, it appears that a lot perhaps most computers now already come with solid state drives so that is no longer evidently much of an issue.


I can't say which chips people should get who are typical users but no one I've read as computer advisors and I haven't seen anyone on lists like this that I recall, have said that the typical user will benefit in any meaningful way by using 32GB of ram.


And the discussion we are having has implications for those who get computers from organizations like Computers For the Blind. I doubt those machines are at all the sort of 16GB of RAM, solid state drive machines being discussed here. I don't think people who want a computer but have limited means and find a new one difficult to afford should worry about getting one from such an organization unless they are more demanding users. If the organization in question has a lot of complaints about the machines they send out, that is a different question but for many people, not having a machine of the kind being discussed here isn't necessary, whether they would prefer one or not.


As I said, from comments in this thread, I'm willing to accept that 16GB of RAM may increase performance and of course an SSD does, but at the same time, I don't think the impression should be left that using a machine such as you might get from Computers For the Blind without an SSD or 16GB of ram is going to mean the typical user will have problems based on the lower specifications.


Gene

On 4/19/2021 4:53 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
general issues. Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
can make, and you probably could use it 6-7 years, because my 8 core
processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether
I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of
owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and
the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference
to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state
hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both
and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is
having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or
a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70
miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top
speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and
16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as
I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop
with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than
256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to
them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive
before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane
memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write
performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would
be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it,
even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write
speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th
gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like
pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to
suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021
on my new computer.[Jim


















































Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Thomas N. Chan
 

I am referring to Gene. People who get computers from such association as what  John mentioned, are happy to own a computer with low price or even free.
I myself was at that kind of situation previously. 
Please don't compare things there's no different when you yourself didn't try before.
you read things online or by article or whatever by a tech geek that you know. but we are speaking from experience as a blind users and you shot us down saying how correct your point are.
Like it or not, jaws are getting bigger, NVDA are getting bigger, dll library and all those programming are getting bigger.  reading and writing  on the harddrive  is not the point, is if you can RAM on them. RAM is always faster than harddrive. When its there, the program or OS will just pick it up.
Windows itself are just getting bigger. more ram, more faster access capacity are just going to make a different. not just a few second.
10 seconds to boot up vs a minute, you don't see a difference?
even the lowest specification of a SSD is going to be faster than a spinning drive.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 at 00:40, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:
They have minimum donation when you donate to Computers For The Blind.
Anyone who is getting a computer from there is just happy to have  a computer  at all.
I'd define typical user as the type that would be doing  light tasks on a PC.
For those users (especially who can't afford to buy one themselves), 8GB and whatever is given to them from Computers For The Blind will be good enough for the light usage.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt that in general, having a slower drive and 8GB of RAM for the typical user results in stuttering speech and crashes.  As to slow boot ups, I've already discussed that,  While I see some messages complaining about this or that problem, such as stuttering speech or crashes, its hardly enough on lists like this, year after year, to draw such conclusions.  And there are so many factors that can cause such problems that those small number of complaints I see can't be at all assumed to come from an underpowered machine.


I suspect that most blind people of the typical user variety, actually have 8GB of RAM.  That's what a lot of computers come with and the majority of computer ;purchasers probably get what is offered.


 From comments in this thread, it appears that a lot perhaps most computers now already come with solid state drives so that is no longer evidently much of an issue.


I can't say which chips people should get who are typical users but no one I've read as computer advisors and I haven't seen anyone on lists like this that I recall, have said that the typical user will benefit in any meaningful way by using 32GB of ram.


And the discussion we are having has implications for those who get computers from organizations like Computers For the Blind.  I doubt those machines are at all the sort of 16GB of RAM, solid state drive machines being discussed here.  I don't think people who want a computer but have limited means and find a new one difficult to afford should worry about getting one from such an organization unless they are more demanding users.  If the organization in question has a lot of complaints about the machines they send out, that is a different question but for many people, not having a machine of the kind being discussed here isn't necessary, whether they would prefer one or not.


As I said, from comments in this thread, I'm willing to accept that 16GB of RAM may increase performance and of course an SSD does, but at the same time, I don't think the impression should be left that using a machine such as you might get from Computers For the Blind without an SSD or 16GB of ram is going to mean the typical user will have problems based on the lower specifications.


Gene

On 4/19/2021 4:53 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
> And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
> about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
> general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
> 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
> can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core
> processor likely will stay current for at least that long.
>
> On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
>> Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether
>> I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of
>> owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and
>> the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference
>> to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.
>>
>> Chris Judge
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>> enes saribas
>> Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>
>> 32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.
>>
>> On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
>>> I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state
>>> hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both
>>> and in my experience they do.
>>>
>>> Chris Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is
>>> having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or
>>> a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70
>>> miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top
>>> speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chris judge
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and
>>> 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Judge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Janet
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> Hi John,
>>> I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as
>>> I have a
>>> 519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop
>>> with
>>> 2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
>>> Janet
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
>>> But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than
>>> 256GB.
>>> Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
>>> If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
>>> upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
>>> wouldn't be a bad idea.
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Gene
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>> I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to
>>> them as digital drives.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.
>>>
>>> I forget what it is though.
>>>
>>> Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive
>>> before.
>>> What is that.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> Monte Single
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.
>>>
>>> What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane
>>> memory.
>>>
>>> Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Monte
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>>> enes saribas
>>> Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
>>> if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write
>>> capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write
>>> performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.
>>>
>>> IT really depends on what he is doing.
>>>
>>> With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
>>> worry too much about that either.
>>>
>>> I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would
>>> be fine.
>>>
>>> We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
>>> just some points to consider.
>>>
>>> I do however agree with the 8GB ram.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
>>> Behalf Of enes saribas
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
>>> channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it,
>>> even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write
>>> speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th
>>> gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like
>>> pentium/celeron/i3 processors.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will let you know as I find out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>> Behalf Of John Holcomb II
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then broadcasting?
>>>
>>> I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.
>>>
>>> Is there a price you have to contend with?
>>>
>>> How are you storing your music files?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
>>> Behalf Of Jim Rawls
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
>>> To: main@jfw.groups.io
>>> Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
>>> so, I want your opinions.
>>>
>>> What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
>>> music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
>>> player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
>>> player, and have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to
>>> suggestions on any  recorder you like.
>>> How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
>>> appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021
>>> on my new computer.[Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: laptop

Thomas N. Chan
 

It should work. 
I am mainly using distribution from Ubuntu and centos.
Gui is good but I like to type command, I can accomplish more but it might not be for everyone. Isn't it there's a VI linux distribution? Is it still being updated?
I mostly ssh over using putty, and do the things I want to do. But  for the NAS linux, once you setup, you go in by the web UI. and setup those drives.

For NAs I mentioned earlier, try
freenas and now known as truenas.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 22:32, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

So I could put Linux?

Maybe X Ubuntu?

Would this tdistro even  support32-bit legacy hardwhere like this?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:25 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

You are running a machine series that I used to own. Its only 100mbps ethernet port lol...

 

I got a lower end machine, without those serial ports, still got a DVD burner, 8gb of ram (I max it out already), I upgraded 256gb to 640gb harddrive.

Its running windows 7 though.

Works fine, I can surf net on it which its the only thing I does with it.

Even if I would get the latest OS, I will not run windows 10 on it. too much work to get the driver to get going. I done once, last year on one of the computer in the office. 

in the end, i load up linux on it and put whatever gui for the user to use it as the day to day processing unit. still alive as we speak.

 

Too much limitation to get an old machine to work.

 

If you don't want, run a NAS on it. linux base, and you can put multiple drives on them external or internal and you can put on the network for file sharing. i done for a customer previously.

if it die, thats all it can do. surfing net will be a pain. you can listen to music on it, watch youtube... simple stuff. opening document, edit a few page but if you want to to do more, then it will be too slow.


Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 22:12, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Lmao um. Yeah back then.

Core duo, 4GB of DDR2 ram. (it had 2GB and I upgraded it to the fastest speed possible and the most amount it’d support in 2011.

WiFi g

DVD-RW

Still has a 56K modem and parallel port! Serial too if I’m remembering correctly.

Has ethernet (though I’m not sure if its 10, 100 or 1000.

It’s a Dell Inspirine E-1705

I actually replaced the still working original 80GB SATA 2 drive with an SATA-based SSD that I believe is 200 GB and tried to put Windows 10 on it.

No go.

I’d love to put a lightweight OS on it but not sure what or how.

All of the hardware works perfectly!

If you’ve got any ideas, let me know!

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas N. Chan
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:52 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Good machine.



Regards,
Thomas N. Chan

 

 

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 10:52, John Holcomb II <jhii926@...> wrote:

Hey there,

I have a laptop from 2006 which started off with XP and then I  put 7 on it.

The hardwhere still works! But 10 won’t run on it.

The only thing I could possibly do is  put Linux on it.

But the Linux would have to support 32-bit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:42 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi, my first laptop a satellite a 300 toshiba lasted for 6 years, then my mom had it for another 4 years, running windows xp or vista. I think. And second machine, lasted almost 5 years, and was windows 7 pro 64 bit with a dvd drive. Gave it to a friend, who is a sighted programmer, and then he put in a new ssd for his mom,  windows 10. Now had to get a new Samsung external ssd drive 500 gb, as my 1 tb Toshiba external  drive, was about to die. Able to copy all files from that. And so got a new assus vivo book with a ssd. First time using that and yes, takes about 30 secs to power up and hear the windows chime and the login screen with jaws. Do have 8 gb ram, do have a spare 8 gb two spare 4 gb slots. Could have used 16 gb, when doing my network course and ran out of memory for running multiple virtual machines. And like to get a new laptop every 6 to 7 years or 5 years. So had this assus a couple of years. Thanks.

Ps: I 3 7 dual quad or quad core, up to 8cores. 2.3 ghz processor, 8 gb ram, 500 gb ssd. One usb 3, two usb 2 ports. 15.inch passive colour I think, or maybe active colour. Not sure. Standard keyboard, built in web cam, mike. Surround sound and using the real tech surround sound app. Two speakers. No card reader.

A good machine.

Excellent sound. And do have windows 10 pro 64 bit, it came with windows 10 home 64 bit 1809. So upgraded it a few times.

Marvin. .


Re: laptop

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, I have known that for a long time.  And I already answered somebody else’s comment about this.  Pam.
 

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop
 

Pam, you can get an external cd/dvd drive for 20 or 30 bucks.  Just plug in the usb cable and you are in business.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: April 19, 2021 8:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Is this true?  That’s not something I would be happy about.  Pam.

 

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Installation of OS in our PC / Laptop

Vinod Benjamin
 

ho! is it? Wow thanks ,so will it be happening at the boot sequence, itself?

Regards,
Vinod Benjamin

On 4/18/21, John Holcomb II <jhii926@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely!
Ctrl+WindowsKey+Enter
Will start narrator during the install process so you can install windows
10 all on your own.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vinod
Benjamin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:52 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Instollation of OS in our PC / Laptop

Dear Friends,

is there any way in which we have a inbuilt screen reader Narrator with
windows 10 OS installation , so that we persons with visual impairment can
do OS installation on our own.

Regards,

Vinod Benjamin












Re: laptop

Gene
 

How often do you use one? Ihaven't looked at laptops for years but if I could get a smaller one that is lighter, I might want that if it means no DVDRom included. It used to be that larger laptops often had an included one but I have no idea if that is the case now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:10 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop


Yes, but I don’t want to have to have one I have to connect up. Pam.

From: Loy
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:25 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

That is true, however if you really need a CD/DVD drive you can purchase one for about $20 and attached by USB.
----- Original Message -----
From: Pamela Dominguez
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

Is this true? That’s not something I would be happy about. Pam.

From: Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop


Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate $107.

Marvin.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: laptop

Pamela Dominguez
 

Yes, but I don’t want to have to have one I have to connect up.  Pam.
 

From: Loy
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop
 
That is true, however if you really need a CD/DVD drive you can purchase one for about $20 and attached by USB.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop
 
Is this true?  That’s not something I would be happy about.  Pam.
 
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop
 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene
 

Again, this is something those with more technical knowledge will, I hope, comment on, but its my understanding that you may not need to purchase anything. Your copy of Windows 10 is already authorized and I've seen commenhts on this or that list that Microsoft keeps the authorization information so you don't have to authorize it if you download and install a copy from the Internet if you are already authorized to use Windows 10.

If worst comes to worst, you can go back to using Windows 8 for a time, using the factory restore I discussed where you don't go into Windows but restore from a hidden partition on the computer. I really doubt that Microsoft interferes with the contents of that hidden partition during upgrades or installations. So if using the Windows 10 reset doesn't work and if placing a clean copy on in another way doesn't solve the problems, you should be able to go back to Windows 8 again for a time. I believe support for Windows 8 runs until sometime in 2023. But I wouldn't be surprised if either the Windows 10 reset or using a clean installation will solve your problems.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 10:47 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


thanks gene, I'll check it out. My wife is going on disability so it's not like I can get her to use her prize points to purchase a new computer again. Figure I'll work on this and if I need to, I'll just have to save my pennies and buy a copy of windows 10 to install or upgrade the windows 8 OS. Really don't want to do so considiering my wife will not have health insurance for the next year until medicare kicks in for her but that is our cross to bear.

Thank for digging this info out from the internet.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

I did a bit of looking around and I didn't find anything specifically
discussing what we are discussing. I did find an article telling you how to
reset Windows 10 and I am giving that link below. But we are discussing
restoring Windows 10 on a computer that originally had another operating
system on it. Restoring Windows 10 does just that. But if I upgraded or
installed Windows 10 on my laptop, as far as I know, nothing would be done
to get rid of the data on the hidden partition my computer has to restore it
to factory defaults, in other words, to restore it to its factory state, as
it left the factory with Windows 7 and whatever else was placed on the
computer at the factory by the manufacturer. Here are the instructions for
doing so on my computer. As you will see, they have nothing to do with
booting into Windows or restoring a clean copy of a new or upgraded operting
system. As you will also see from the article I linked to below, you can
reset Windows 10 within Windows 10 which will place a clean copy on your
machine.

Remember, instructions for doing what is described below in this manual
excerpt vary depending on brand and model of machine so check to see what
your machine's instructions are. I am reproducing these instructions to
demonstrate what I am saying, not to provide instructions for how you do
this on your computer.

From my Toshiba manual:
To recover the original factory image using the utilities on your
computer’s internal storage drive:

1
Make sure the computer is turned off.

2
Press and hold the 0 (zero) key on your keyboard while
powering on the computer.

3
If your system offers a choice of Windows® 7 32-bit or 64-bit
operating system, select one at this time. If not, skip to step 4.

4
A warning screen appears, stating that when the recovery is

executed all data will be deleted and rewritten. Click Yes to

continue.

5
When the Toshiba Recovery Wizard opens and the Selecting a
process screen displays, select Recovery of Factory Default
Software and then click Next.

6 The Recovery of Factory Default Software screen appears.
Select Recover to out-of-box state.

7 Click Next.

A confirmation message displays reminding you that all data
will be lost during the recovery process. Be sure to save your
work to external media before proceeding (see “Backing up
your work” on page 105).

8 Click Next to begin the recovery.

When the process is complete, a message displays indicating
that the internal storage drive has been recovered.

9 Press any key on the keyboard to restart the computer.

the link below discusses how to reset Windows 10 from within your
installation of Windows 10. It is completely different from what was
described above.
https://www.theverge.com/21264104/windows-10-reset-os-reboot-troubleshoot-microsoft

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that. I don't have Windows
10. I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset. As I recall, another list
member described in detail how it is done. Whether I responded and said I
don't know how it is done, I don't recall. I may not have either as an
oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so
I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not. Prove it? Do a Google
search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it. I don't thing the feature
that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state
is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows. You
initiate it before Windows boots. the procedure is initiated differently on
different brands and models of computer. Reset was one of the new features
in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it
allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine. You shouldn't
have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago. What I meant when I
said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would
put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
can he do that, and you never replied. This is correct about the reset
feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
but you never can prove I’m wrong! If you want to know more about it, find
it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago. You
said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
wrong! This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
through all this with you before. You know Gene, if I say black, you will
say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny! Enough is enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct. I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first. The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive. That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself. That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine. The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you
either. Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that. Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so. As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8. I know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth. I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop. I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

John Holcomb II
 

They have minimum donation when you donate to Computers For The Blind.
Anyone who is getting a computer from there is just happy to have a computer at all.
I'd define typical user as the type that would be doing light tasks on a PC.
For those users (especially who can't afford to buy one themselves), 8GB and whatever is given to them from Computers For The Blind will be good enough for the light usage.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:02 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt that in general, having a slower drive and 8GB of RAM for the typical user results in stuttering speech and crashes. As to slow boot ups, I've already discussed that, While I see some messages complaining about this or that problem, such as stuttering speech or crashes, its hardly enough on lists like this, year after year, to draw such conclusions. And there are so many factors that can cause such problems that those small number of complaints I see can't be at all assumed to come from an underpowered machine.


I suspect that most blind people of the typical user variety, actually have 8GB of RAM. That's what a lot of computers come with and the majority of computer ;purchasers probably get what is offered.


From comments in this thread, it appears that a lot perhaps most computers now already come with solid state drives so that is no longer evidently much of an issue.


I can't say which chips people should get who are typical users but no one I've read as computer advisors and I haven't seen anyone on lists like this that I recall, have said that the typical user will benefit in any meaningful way by using 32GB of ram.


And the discussion we are having has implications for those who get computers from organizations like Computers For the Blind. I doubt those machines are at all the sort of 16GB of RAM, solid state drive machines being discussed here. I don't think people who want a computer but have limited means and find a new one difficult to afford should worry about getting one from such an organization unless they are more demanding users. If the organization in question has a lot of complaints about the machines they send out, that is a different question but for many people, not having a machine of the kind being discussed here isn't necessary, whether they would prefer one or not.


As I said, from comments in this thread, I'm willing to accept that 16GB of RAM may increase performance and of course an SSD does, but at the same time, I don't think the impression should be left that using a machine such as you might get from Computers For the Blind without an SSD or 16GB of ram is going to mean the typical user will have problems based on the lower specifications.


Gene

On 4/19/2021 4:53 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining
about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and
general issues. Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9,
16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv
can make, and you probably could use it 6-7 years, because my 8 core
processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether
I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of
owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and
the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference
to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state
hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both
and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it. If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is
having 10 more unused GB going to matter? If you have a race car or
a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70
miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top
speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and
16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as
I have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second! With my desktop
with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than
256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives. It is evidently incorrect to refer to
them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive
before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days. It is called octane
memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb
if budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write
performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would
be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are
just some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it,
even if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write
speed and endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th
gen intel or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like
pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards for one thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On
Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good
player, and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary
player, and have been using virtual recorder, but I’m open to
suggestions on any recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like? any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021
on my new computer.[Jim


















































Creating a 24/7 Radio Stream on YouTube?

Merv Keck
 

There may be a group that is more suited for this question. If so I am not on it yet.
Currently the Church I am associated with as a Pastor of the prayer ministry has a stream that goes 24/7 on Live 355. They pay one monthly fee and everything is managed on the Live 365 servers. It is not operated like Legend or Mushroom or our familiar radio stations where we stream from our own computers or Spotify or a similar platform. Everything is uploaded to Live365 and managed right from the servers and royalties are paid taken care of no muss no fuss.
However, the Church would like to move to a more popular medium and they have chosen YouTube. They do not wish to worry about streaming locally from a PC or Mac. They wish to do it from YouTube the way they did it via Live 365.
We are currently rebuilding the Web Portal for the ministry and we just want to be able to reference the station on the site and the ministry app. And also the YouTube site and app as well.
Does anyone have any knowledge and or experience with YouTube radio or 24/7 streaming? Information is all I am seeking. I do not need anyone to build anything or sell me a service. I’m just looking for a resource at this time.
Thanks in advance.
Merv


Re: laptop

Monte Single
 

Pam, you can get an external cd/dvd drive for 20 or 30 bucks.  Just plug in the usb cable and you are in business.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez
Sent: April 19, 2021 8:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Is this true?  That’s not something I would be happy about.  Pam.

 

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] laptop

 

Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd. And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate  $107.

Marvin.

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: if you were getting a new computer.

Gene
 

I doubt that in general, having a slower drive and 8GB of RAM for the typical user results in stuttering speech and crashes.  As to slow boot ups, I've already discussed that,  While I see some messages complaining about this or that problem, such as stuttering speech or crashes, its hardly enough on lists like this, year after year, to draw such conclusions.  And there are so many factors that can cause such problems that those small number of complaints I see can't be at all assumed to come from an underpowered machine.


I suspect that most blind people of the typical user variety, actually have 8GB of RAM.  That's what a lot of computers come with and the majority of computer ;purchasers probably get what is offered.


From comments in this thread, it appears that a lot perhaps most computers now already come with solid state drives so that is no longer evidently much of an issue.


I can't say which chips people should get who are typical users but no one I've read as computer advisors and I haven't seen anyone on lists like this that I recall, have said that the typical user will benefit in any meaningful way by using 32GB of ram.


And the discussion we are having has implications for those who get computers from organizations like Computers For the Blind.  I doubt those machines are at all the sort of 16GB of RAM, solid state drive machines being discussed here.  I don't think people who want a computer but have limited means and find a new one difficult to afford should worry about getting one from such an organization unless they are more demanding users.  If the organization in question has a lot of complaints about the machines they send out, that is a different question but for many people, not having a machine of the kind being discussed here isn't necessary, whether they would prefer one or not.


As I said, from comments in this thread, I'm willing to accept that 16GB of RAM may increase performance and of course an SSD does, but at the same time, I don't think the impression should be left that using a machine such as you might get from Computers For the Blind without an SSD or 16GB of ram is going to mean the typical user will have problems based on the lower specifications.


Gene

On 4/19/2021 4:53 AM, enes sarıbaş wrote:
And you see the people not doing the extra hundred dollars complaining about stuttering audio, slow boots, hard drive and OS crashes and general issues.  Seriously buying a high quality pc, E.G, an R7/9, 16-32 gb ram, samsung SSD is one of the best quality investments youv can make, and  you probably could use it 6-7 years,  because my 8 core processor likely will stay current for at least that long.

On 4/19/2021 3:22 AM, chris judge wrote:
Well, I usually allow myself a new PC every five years or so whether I need it or not. I'll never have to worry about the expense of owning a vehicle. I use my PC constantly for work and pleasure and the sake of a few hundred dollars really doesn't make much difference to me, so I usually tend to go a bit high end.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 10:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

32 also makes a difference on extremely high core machines.

On 4/18/2021 6:12 PM, chris judge wrote:
I know Gene, you always argue this point. You also say solid state hard drives don't make that much of a difference. I have used both and in my experience they do.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: April 18, 2021 7:33 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I doubt it.  If you have 8gb and you are only using six, how is having 10 more unused GB going to matter?  If you have a race car or a station wagon and you are driving on highways at about 65 or 70 miles an hour, what difference does it make whether your car's top speed is 120 or 220 miles per hour.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: chris judge
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 5:18 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

They sure do, and there is definitely a difference between 8 gig and 16. Few people who have experienced both will dispute that.


Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Janet
Sent: April 18, 2021 4:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Hi John,
I have to agree with you when you say SSDS do make a difference, as I
have a
519 SSD, and my Laptop boots on within a second!  With my desktop with
2 TBS HD it takes at least 3 minutes to boot up!
Janet


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

Yeah SSDs really do make a difference in my experience.
But having said that there's no real need for most to get more than 256GB.
Now there's one thing to keep in mind though.
If it’s a laptop, and everything is sottered onto the board, then no
upgrades would be possible, in that case if you can  future proofing
wouldn't be a bad idea.
John


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:05 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.

I meant solid state drives.  It is evidently incorrect to refer to
them as digital drives.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:58 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.



It was made by Intel I and is on the way out.

I forget what it is though.

Digital drive? I’ve never heard anyone call anything a digital drive before.
What is that.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 12:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi List,



I am not in the market for a new computer, knock on wood.

What is the new memory I hear of these days.  It is called octane memory.

Is this part of the ram, processor, of drive?



Cheers,



Monte





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of
enes saribas
Sent: April 18, 2021 9:59 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





As I said though, programs are getting bigger. I'd go with at 16 gb if
budget allowed to be safe. But the 512 drives have more  write
capacity before they have to be replaced, and also faster write performance.



On 4/18/2021 9:04 AM, John Holcomb II wrote:



I don’t think most normal users would need 512GB.

IT really depends on what he is doing.

With read/write at 500 MB for a Sata-based SSD, he doesn’t need to
worry too much about that either.

I’d say  a Core I5 would do it. AMD vs. intel either of these would be fine.

We have no idea what kinda budget he is working with so THESE are just
some points to consider.

I do however agree with the 8GB ram.

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of enes saribas
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 1:55 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





At a bare minimum, go for gigabit ethernet options, 8 gb of dual
channel ram, an ssd of at least 512 gb, 1tb if you can aford it, even
if you don't use 1tb the 1tb drive has a much higher write speed and
endurance. A processor should be at least current gen 11th gen intel
or fifth gen AMD r5, don't getv stuff like pentium/celeron/i3 processors.



On 4/15/2021 1:30 PM, Jim Rawls wrote:



I will let you know as I find out.





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Do you forsee yourself  doing anything more then broadcasting?

I’d go with two sound cards  for one  thing.

Is there a price you have to contend with?

How are you storing your music files?

John







From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf
Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 2:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] if you were getting a new computer.





Hi all,

It looks like I can select what I want on the computer I am getting,
so, I want your opinions.

What would you like on your computer? Since I am into music, and use
music files for my global voice shows, I obviously want a good player,
and, a good recorder to use. I want win amp as my primary player, and
have been using virtual recorder, but  I’m open to suggestions on any  recorder you like.
How much memory etc. would you like?   any of these thoughts are
appreciated. I am running jaws 2018, but will be running jaws 2021 on
my new computer.[Jim

















































Re: laptop

Monte Single
 

I Can't remember the last time I copied anything to a cd or dvd.
I mostly use thumb drives or s d cards.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: April 19, 2021 8:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop

I doubt most people use DVDs or cds much anymore. People stream a lot of things they used to buy on DVDS and, as has been said, you can purchase external USB DVD drives.

There is a really nice and convenient way to get around not having a DVD if all you want to do is use it to install software if you have a computer that has one. You can also back up CDS or DVDS that contain software in this way.

Put a software disk, either CD or DVD in a machine that has a drive. Find the drive using Computer, then open the context menu, there will be an open option. Once you do that, you can copy the contents of the CD or DVD drive to the clip board and paste it wherever you want. I pasted the contents to an external drive, then I plugged the external drive into the computer I wanted to install the program on, and installed it from there. I kept the copies of the few CDS I might want to use in future and I no longer have to keep the CDS or DVDS if I don't want to.

To guard against loss of the disks or their destruction in some disaster, I back up the contents of the disks just as I back up anything I don't want to lose.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Dominguez
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 9:21 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] laptop


Is this true? That’s not something I would be happy about. Pam.

From: Marvin Hunkin
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:43 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] laptop


Hi. I would get 16 gb or 32 gb if you can afford it. Try a 1 or 2 tb ssd.
And maybe get a 1 or 2 tb ssd external drive. You cannot get a dvd drive
built in any more. Hp, Lenovo, assus, del, acer, sells only laptops with no
dvd or cd drive. But most people just download if they have a fast stable
internet connection.

Also got jaws 2012, latest nvda.

Marvin.

Ps: saw on another list a 4 tb normal external drive, seegate $107.

Marvin.


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Monte Single
 

Hi Kieth,

 

I have not been following this thread,  but I have heard, off and on,  that you can still upgrade  from windows 7 or 8   to win 10If you are using a screen reader.

 

Cheers,

 

Monte

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Keith S
Sent: April 19, 2021 9:48 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

thanks gene, I'll check it out.  My wife is going on disability so it's not like I can get her to use her prize points to purchase a new computer again.  Figure I'll work on this and if I need to,  I'll just have to save my pennies and buy a copy of windows 10 to install or upgrade the windows 8 OS.  Really don't want to do so considiering my wife will not have health insurance for the next year until medicare kicks in for her but that is our cross to bear.

 

Thank for digging this info out from the internet.

 

Keith

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

 

I did a bit of looking around and I didn't find anything specifically
discussing what we are discussing.  I did find an article telling you how to
reset Windows 10 and I am giving that link below.  But we are discussing
restoring Windows 10 on a computer that originally had another operating
system on it.  Restoring Windows 10 does just that.  But if I upgraded or
installed Windows 10 on my laptop, as far as I know, nothing would be done
to get rid of the data on the hidden partition my computer has to restore it
to factory defaults, in other words, to restore it to its factory state, as
it left the factory with Windows 7 and whatever else was placed on the
computer at the factory by the manufacturer.  Here are the instructions for
doing so on my computer.  As you will see, they have nothing to do with
booting into Windows or restoring a clean copy of a new or upgraded operting
system.  As you will also see from the article I linked to below, you can
reset Windows 10 within Windows 10 which will place a clean copy on your
machine.

Remember, instructions for doing what is described below in this manual
excerpt vary depending on brand and model of machine so check to see what
your machine's instructions are.  I am reproducing these instructions to
demonstrate what I am saying, not to provide instructions for how you do
this on your computer.

From my Toshiba manual:
To recover the original factory image using the utilities on your
computer’s internal storage drive:

1
Make sure the computer is turned off.

2
Press and hold the 0 (zero) key on your keyboard while
powering on the computer.

3
If your system offers a choice of Windows® 7 32-bit or 64-bit
operating system, select one at this time. If not, skip to step 4.

4
A warning screen appears, stating that when the recovery is

executed all data will be deleted and rewritten. Click Yes to

continue.

5
When the Toshiba Recovery Wizard opens and the Selecting a
process screen displays, select Recovery of Factory Default
Software and then click Next.

6 The Recovery of Factory Default Software screen appears.
Select Recover to out-of-box state.

7 Click Next.

A confirmation message displays reminding you that all data
will be lost during the recovery process. Be sure to save your
work to external media before proceeding (see “Backing up
your work” on page 105).

8 Click Next to begin the recovery.

When the process is complete, a message displays indicating
that the internal storage drive has been recovered.

9 Press any key on the keyboard to restart the computer.

the link below discusses how to reset Windows 10 from within your
installation of Windows 10.  It is completely different from what was
described above.
https://www.theverge.com/21264104/windows-10-reset-os-reboot-troubleshoot-microsoft

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 12:38 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that.  I don't have Windows
10.  I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset.  As I recall, another list
member described in detail how it is done.  Whether I responded and said I
don't know how it is done, I don't recall.  I may not have either as an
oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so
I didn't need to respond.

I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not.  Prove it?  Do a Google
search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it.  I don't thing the feature
that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state
is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows.  You
initiate it before Windows boots.  the procedure is initiated differently on
different brands and models of computer.  Reset was one of the new features
in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it
allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine.  You shouldn't
have difficulty finding information about it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Gene,
I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago.  What I meant when I
said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would
put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
can he do that, and you never replied.  This is correct about the reset
feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
but you never can prove I’m wrong!  If you want to know more about it, find
it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago.  You
said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
wrong!  This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
through all this with you before.  You know Gene, if I say black, you will
say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny!  Enough is enough!

Janet

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

That is not correct.  I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first.  The reset in Windows 10 is
a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever it
is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive.  That has
nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself.  That reset will put a
clean Windows 10 on the machine.  The factory reset, if this computer has
one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
else it came with.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Janet
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?



Hi Keith,

Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered you
either.  Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for the
simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
before doing that.  Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
just let me know, and I will do so.  As far as the safe mode, that will not
give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8.  I know
you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth.  I’m trying to spare you
from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.



Janet



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Keith S
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







and how do I go about doing this?







Thanks







Keith



----- Original Message -----



From: Gene



To: main@TechTalk.groups.io



Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM



Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?







Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith S
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
To: tech talk for the blind
Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?


Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and windows
10 and th lag and what not on the system.)

I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either  reinstall the
windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.


My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop.  I know that some
name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
hold while the system is booting up.

(I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.

Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter  safe
mode?

Many thanks

keith


























Re: HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

Keith S
 


thanks Austin.
 
Keith

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?

so to do a reset, and no that wont revert you back to windows 8.
first things first, backup all the data you have on c drive.
next, make sure that you ave activation codes for any programs that
require them as the reset will remove all programs, accept the apps
that came with windows.
after you are sure that you have everything saved.
you press windows and i.
press tab once.
go to update and security which is right at the end of the list, so
pressing the end key if you have 1 will directly take you there.
then go to recovery.
and click on reset this pc.
the pc will reboot 2 3 times, you wont have jaws or any screen reader,
but after the pc has rebooted for the first time, just wait for 1 or 2
minutes and press control windows enter, this will launch narrator and
it will give you progress about what is happening.
after resetting you may have to enter microsoft account.
if you dont want to do this, dont connect to wifi or internet via cable.
tell it i dont have internet and continue with limited setup.
after creating a local account and finishing setup, then connect to
internet and again it will ask you to enter a microsoft account, tell
it i will do this later and click on complete setup.
now you will have to reinstall all programs from scratch.

On 4/19/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I don't remember if or what I said when he asked that.  I don't have Windows
>
> 10.  I don't know how you do a Windows 10 reset.  As I recall, another list
>
> member described in detail how it is done.  Whether I responded and said I
> don't know how it is done, I don't recall.  I may not have either as an
> oversight or because I saw the explanation from someone else on the list so
>
> I didn't need to respond.
>
> I'm right and yet, you keep insisting I'm not.  Prove it?  Do a Google
> search on Windows 10 reset and learn about it.  I don't thing the feature
> that a lot of computers have that restores the computer to its factory state
>
> is even called reset and it is not initiated from within Windows.  You
> initiate it before Windows boots.  the procedure is initiated differently on
>
> different brands and models of computer.  Reset was one of the new features
>
> in Windows 10 and it received publicity when Windows 10 came out because it
>
> allows you to put a clean copy of Windows 10 on the machine.  You shouldn't
>
> have difficulty finding information about it.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 10:13 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?
>
> Gene,
> I’m not in any mood to debate with you especially regarding the reset
> feature, as we went through all that maybe a month ago.  What I meant when I
>
> said you didn't answer Keith was you told him to do a reset, and that would
>
> put a fresh copy of Windows 10 on his PC, and he replied by asking you how
> can he do that, and you never replied.  This is correct about the reset
> feature. You said I was wrong then, and now you're still saying I'm wrong,
> but you never can prove I’m wrong!  If you want to know more about it, find
>
> it yourself, as I gave all the information to you maybe a month ago.  You
> said I was wrong then, and you are still saying I am wrong, so prove I’m
> wrong!  This is the last time I will talk to you about this, as I've been
> through all this with you before.  You know Gene, if I say black, you will
> say white, if I say it's cloudy, you will say it's sunny!  Enough is
> enough!
>
> Janet
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>
> Gene
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:21 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?
>
> That is not correct.  I don't know what I'm not supposed to have answered.
> I think I said awhile ago to try a reset first.  The reset in Windows 10 is
> a reset of Windows 10. You are confusing that with the reset, or whatever
> it
> is called, that many computers offer with the original factory files for
> everything stored on a different partition of the hard drive.  That has
> nothing to do with the reset in Windows 10 itself.  That reset will put a
> clean Windows 10 on the machine.  The factory reset, if this computer has
> one, will place the original operating system on the machine and whatever
> else it came with.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janet
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 9:12 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?
>
>
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> Ok, I’ve said to myself I wouldn’t get involved with this meaning what Gene
> recommended for you to do with your Laptop, and I see he hasn’t answered
> you
> either.  Now Keith, as I’ve discussed this reset feature with you before,
> you still are willing to take a chance on using the reset feature, but one
> more time, I strongly advise you not to use that reset feature, just for
> the
> simple fact, that feature is a factory reset, and you need to remember your
> Laptop came with Windows 8, so there for, remember your Laptop will just
> revert back to Windows 8, so please give this some serious consideration
> before doing that.  Now, if you still want me to send you the instructions,
> just let me know, and I will do so.  As far as the safe mode, that will not
> give you the option to reset your Laptop to Windows 10 or Windows 8.  I
> know
> you don’t want to hear this, and I don’t blame you, as I wouldn’t want to
> hear this either, but I’m telling you the truth.  I’m trying to spare you
> from more problems than what you currently have, but it’s your choice.
>
>
>
> Janet
>
>
>
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Keith S
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 3:48 PM
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> and how do I go about doing this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
>
> From: Gene
>
>
>
> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>
>
>
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 3:46 PM
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Why don't you use the reset option in Windows 10 which doesn't rely on safe
> mode and will place a clean Windows 10 on the machine.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith S
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 2:33 PM
> To: tech talk for the blind
> Subject: [TechTalk] HP laptop : How to enter safe mode?
>
>
> Hi, I was informed on this list that my installation of windows 10 is most
> likely damaged (I have previously posted the slowness using jaws and
> windows
> 10 and th lag and what not on the system.)
>
> I was told that if I enter safe mode, I can choose to either  reinstall the
> windows 8 that came pre-installed on the laptop, or reinstall windows 10,
> since my cousin did the upgrade to windows 10 when microsoft was offering
> the upgrade for free from windows 8 to windows 10.
>
>
> My question is how do I enter safe mode on an HP laptop.  I know that some
> name brand systems have different safe mode keys taht you have to push and
> hold while the system is booting up.
>
> (I hae a netbook that uses the F8 key during startup to enter safe mode.
>
> Anyone have a clue as to what I hold down on my HP laptop to enter  safe
> mode?
>
> Many thanks
>
> keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>


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