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Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah but you have to be in Ohio don’t you?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Angela Randall
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 7:36 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

That is so cool. I've been researching to get a new computer because my Chromebook doesn't work with software that I have to use with my crafting machine anyway another thing that might help you guys is 80 of Ohio for assistive technology of Ohio has computers for $60. I got my first laptop from there years ago and when I upgraded for school / college I got a new computer through the bsvi. Anyway that is it going to organization if you can afford it. You might check into that if something else doesn't work for me too.

 

On Sun, May 2, 2021, 7:16 PM Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:

My tablet folded with its keyboard. I could put it in a big purse and take it anywhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

But (and this is another option to consider), a convertible laptop could be used as a tablet with the keyboard folding down into the unit.

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low  hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I’d rather get a Windows tablet.



I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?


I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>  <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim

















FW: [Blind Android Users] Listen to espeak singing!

John Holcomb II
 

Lmao…

Enjoy this.

John

 

From: blindandroidusers@groups.io <blindandroidusers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell James
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 7:18 PM
To: blindandroidusers@groups.io
Subject: [Blind Android Users] Listen to espeak singing!

 

Greetings,

 

Ever wonder what it would be like for your speech synthesizer to sing?

Here are two examples of espeak singing!


The first one is using the MBROLA algorithm on an UTAU voice,
the second one is espeak without MBROLA.

 

 

This was done by Tobias from the espeak group

Today I just made a new release of my piano roll editor for singing
synthesis called QTAU, including its dependencies Sekai and Sinsy.
QTAU can make espeak-ng sing, using a patch I had written some time
ago, future versions will also support Festival and MBROLA voices.
The singing generator source code is at
https://notabug.org/isengaara/sekai/src/master/bin/espeak-sg.cpp and
currently does not work with klatt voices yet. In the next few month I
plan to write a patch to support singing with klatt voices too.

 

Russ


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

With Windows you could have narrator, NVDA or JAWS, take your pick.
And there's probably a few more screen readers I'm forgetting about.
LEASY could be used too.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 7:15 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

iPad and Android have VoiceOver and TalkBack, respectively. I guess Windows would have Narrator? I wonder if it is as compatible as iPad and Android. I found TalkBack good for reading books, since it is synthesized, but better than most synthesized voices.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I’d rather get a Windows tablet.



I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase. the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard. I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?


I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while. It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org> <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim


Re: Issues with user accounts and passwords in Windows 10

Thomas N. Chan
 

There's only a few reason, you did key in the wrong password
The keyboard settings is sending the wrong character to it

Logically, from the information you given, itshould work if you did input the right password. Unless something is sending or keying the wrong info for you.
If you did reset the password, and the window did accepted it. Then it should work unless that user does not have administrative rights to do all you mentioned.

Regards,
Thomas N. Chan


On Mon, 3 May 2021 at 05:52, Mary Smith via groups.io <ms0120=mailbox.org@groups.io> wrote:
Hello,  I have tried resetting the password for one of the accounts and it doesn’t work. I forgot to mention something else in my original message to the list. Installing software is also an issue, I’m unable to install programs.



> On May 2, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@...> wrote:
>
> I will reset or change the password and try it again.
> Type change password in the start and go on from there.
>
> --------------------
> regards
> Thomas N. Chan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Smith via groups.io
> Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2021 7:26 PM
> To: main@techtalk.groups.io
> Subject: [TechTalk] Issues with user accounts and passwords in Windows 10
>
> Hello listers, I have recently begun to encounter a really annoying issue with UAC when using my laptop. No matter how many times I try and enter the correct password when getting any sort of UAC prompt, I’m told the password is incorrect. This also happens when I try and use another account on this machine. I should mention that I don’t use this machine very often but I’m pretty sure I’m entering the correct passwords. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might be able to solve this one?
>
> Thanks.
> Mary.
>
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Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Angela Randall
 

That is so cool. I've been researching to get a new computer because my Chromebook doesn't work with software that I have to use with my crafting machine anyway another thing that might help you guys is 80 of Ohio for assistive technology of Ohio has computers for $60. I got my first laptop from there years ago and when I upgraded for school / college I got a new computer through the bsvi. Anyway that is it going to organization if you can afford it. You might check into that if something else doesn't work for me too.


On Sun, May 2, 2021, 7:16 PM Carolyn Arnold <4carolyna@...> wrote:
My tablet folded with its keyboard. I could put it in a big purse and take it anywhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

But (and this is another option to consider), a convertible laptop could be used as a tablet with the keyboard folding down into the unit.

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low  hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I’d rather get a Windows tablet.



I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?


I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>  <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim


















Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Carolyn Arnold
 

My tablet folded with its keyboard. I could put it in a big purse and take it anywhere.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

But (and this is another option to consider), a convertible laptop could be used as a tablet with the keyboard folding down into the unit.

John





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I’d rather get a Windows tablet.



I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase. the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard. I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?


I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while. It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org> <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Carolyn Arnold
 

iPad and Android have VoiceOver and TalkBack, respectively. I guess Windows would have Narrator? I wonder if it is as compatible as iPad and Android. I found TalkBack good for reading books, since it is synthesized, but better than most synthesized voices.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
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Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

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From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I’d rather get a Windows tablet.



I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet.



Gene

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From: Carolyn Arnold <mailto:4carolyna@windstream.net>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase. the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard. I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

Gene
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From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
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I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while. It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org> <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
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Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim


Re: How to delete an empty line in Excel

chris judge
 

You are quite welcome. Glad it worked.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: May 2, 2021 11:33 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to delete an empty line in Excel

 

Hi Chris,

What do you know?  I tried this again and it worked.  I didn’t even have to type anything in as delete row and add row came up as I arrowed down. Every once in a while I have this problem.  I should learn but I guess I forget.  It is indeed a simple way to do what I need.

 I am so happy I saved this Email and thank you again.  Marilyn

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:28 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] How to delete an empty line in Excel

 

Hi. Are you using excel 2016? If so there is a nifty little feature that can help you get most thinks done even if you don’t know the keystroke. I use it all the time and it works in all office 2016 applications. To delete a row in excel, focus on the row. Next, press altQ. This will bring up a search field. Type delete row, then arrow down. You should hear, delete sheet rows. Press enter and the row should go away.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Marilyn and Don Bilderback
Sent: April 28, 2021 4:40 AM
To: TECHTALK <techtalk@groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] How to delete an empty line in Excel

 

Can someone give me the key strokes to delete an empty line in my Excel sheet?  Recently I saw that to add a line was ALT I R.  Then I got thinking, I don’t know how to do the opposite.  Thanks.


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Monte Single
 

Hi Gene,

 

What kind of tablet are you thinking of?

You know the flavours, Ipad, Android, or Windows.

Both the ipad and windows tablets are more expensive than a new, basic  win10 machine.

Many of the android tablets  are less expensive,  but I think you would get more for your money with a purchase from Computers for the Blind.

As a Canadian, I cannot access services from Computers for the blind,  but, overall, I have heard more good than bad comments on these lists    FOR THAT ORGANIZATION.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: May 2, 2021 1:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

 

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well. 

 

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks for your help. Jim

 


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

But (and this is another option to consider), a convertible laptop could be used as a tablet with the keyboard folding down into the unit.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:07 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low  hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I’d rather get a Windows tablet.

 

I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.
 
But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.
 
I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.iomailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim









Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah… or if they are cheaper they’re the older ones that came out more with Windows 8, and have such low  hard drive storage that you can’t upgrade to Windows 10 easily.

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 5:45 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I’d rather get a Windows tablet.

 

I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.
 
But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.
 
I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.iomailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim










Re: Issues with user accounts and passwords in Windows 10

Mary Smith
 

Hello, I have tried resetting the password for one of the accounts and it doesn’t work. I forgot to mention something else in my original message to the list. Installing software is also an issue, I’m unable to install programs.

On May 2, 2021, at 2:58 PM, Thomas N. Chan <thomas.nchan@gmail.com> wrote:

I will reset or change the password and try it again.
Type change password in the start and go on from there.

--------------------
regards
Thomas N. Chan
-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Smith via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2021 7:26 PM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Issues with user accounts and passwords in Windows 10

Hello listers, I have recently begun to encounter a really annoying issue with UAC when using my laptop. No matter how many times I try and enter the correct password when getting any sort of UAC prompt, I’m told the password is incorrect. This also happens when I try and use another account on this machine. I should mention that I don’t use this machine very often but I’m pretty sure I’m entering the correct passwords. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might be able to solve this one?

Thanks.
Mary.












Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Loy
 


Windows tablets that I have seen are expensive.,

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

I’d rather get a Windows tablet.
 
I’d like an idea of the price of a good Windows tablet. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 
Gene, I don't think you could find an iPad for less than a computer for the blind, but you could an Amazon Kindle, or for maybe the same price. Also, the RCA Pro is an Android tablet. I just simply, literally despised the keyboard that came with the one I had though. I thought it was clumsy and sluggish. I never gain proficiency on it, like I have, on all thingds, the screen one on my iPhone. It could be that I have worked harder on the iPhone, and had more information about how to use it than I did the one on that tablet. Nevertheless, the RCA Pro is a good buy, if they still have them.

Because of my tablet experience, I had no intention of getting a keyboard for my iPhone, and another reason for that was to have to have some kind of peripheral with it. On the tablet, the keyboard was attached, but it could be removed, and you could use just the touch screen, which was a big one, probably almost the size of one of a desk top.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.
 
But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.
 
I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim











Re: Pixel 4A and latest TalkBack

David Moore
 

Hi marie! I have that version of TalkBack already, and I have a pixel for a! I have the version of TalkBack that multi-finger gestures work great with, and all of the other great features. You should be able to get it from the Google Play store right now! Just go to the Google Play store, do a search for Android accessibility suite, and the latest update of TalkBack should be there for you to simply install. Have a great one, marie!


On Sun, May 2, 2021, 3:46 PM Marie Nelson <scribbles.mn@...> wrote:
Will the Pixel 4A with 5G get the latest talk Back and will it support the multi finger gestures?
Thanks, Marie
 
I'm a multitasker. I can listen, ignore and forget all at the same time!


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah unless their call dialing apps.

That being said if you want that functionality VoIP does  exist as both free and paid options which would also let you text.

John

 

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:31 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

 

Do all the apps I see discussed for Android phones work with android tablets?  I would think they would but I don’t want to assume.

 

Gene


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Gene
 

I would have to get used to using a modifier key with quick navigation commands, but it appears similar aside from that. 
 
Of course, there may be more comments as time goes on from others, but the discussion so far has been quite helpful.  I’ll keep an Android tablet in mind but for now, because I’m curious about Windows 10 I’ll gamble on Computers for the Blind.  but an Android tablet is something I might consider later. 
 
Do all the apps I see discussed for Android phones work with android tablets?  I would think they would but I don’t want to assume.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 
He is asking about the web.   Here, this might help you.

https://support.google.com/accessibility/android/answer/6110948?hl=en#zippy=%2Cdefault-keymap

John

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

I did not have much trouble learning gestures with the Pro, as it had that keyboard. I did some touch-screen though. I just hated the keyboard for typing though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

No.  Perhaps I should consider it.  I didn’t want to learn a new operating system but maybe it wouldn’t be that much different.  Also, there are a few programs I’d like to use that may not be available in Android versions like MP3 Direct Cut, Tapin Radio, and perhaps one or two others.
 
Gene
 
From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 

You’re  not gonna find a Windows tablit anywhere near as cheap as Computers for the blind.

The cheapeast iPad isn’t that cheap either.

Have you used android before?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

 

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.

 

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

 

Gene

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From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@...>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>  mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim
















Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:13 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

I did not have much trouble learning gestures with the Pro, as it had that keyboard. I did some touch-screen though. I just hated the keyboard for typing though.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

No. Perhaps I should consider it. I didn’t want to learn a new operating system but maybe it wouldn’t be that much different. Also, there are a few programs I’d like to use that may not be available in Android versions like MP3 Direct Cut, Tapin Radio, and perhaps one or two others.

Gene

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?


You’re not gonna find a Windows tablit anywhere near as cheap as Computers for the blind.

The cheapeast iPad isn’t that cheap either.

Have you used android before?

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase. the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.



But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard. I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.



I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while. It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Carolyn Arnold
 

I did not have much trouble learning gestures with the Pro, as it had that keyboard. I did some touch-screen though. I just hated the keyboard for typing though.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

No. Perhaps I should consider it. I didn’t want to learn a new operating system but maybe it wouldn’t be that much different. Also, there are a few programs I’d like to use that may not be available in Android versions like MP3 Direct Cut, Tapin Radio, and perhaps one or two others.

Gene

From: John Holcomb II <mailto:jhii926@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:44 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?


You’re not gonna find a Windows tablit anywhere near as cheap as Computers for the blind.

The cheapeast iPad isn’t that cheap either.

Have you used android before?

John



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase. the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.



But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard. I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well.



I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Veronica Kirk <mailto:veronicaa.kirk@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while. It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim



From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.



On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org <http://www.computersfortheblind.org>





From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io> mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io <mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?



Thanks for your help. Jim


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

John Holcomb II
 

IT is available if you can get someone who has bought in the past to share their family library with you.

They’re no longer making Eloquence for Android and this is the only way to get it.

I haven’t had much experience with the web on  android so  someone else will have to help you with that.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:09 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I’m not sure how I will use the Windows 10 machine yet.  I might mainly use the programs on the Windows 7 machine.  As I think about it, the programs may not be an important issue.

 

I’m not sure I would want to give up Eloquence.  Is it available for Android and is browsing as well developed such as with quick access commands?

 

Gene

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Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:03 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Well are these programs you’d use frequently on the tablet?

If so then you might wanna stick k with Windows.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

No.  Perhaps I should consider it.  I didn’t want to learn a new operating system but maybe it wouldn’t be that much different.  Also, there are a few programs I’d like to use that may not be available in Android versions like MP3 Direct Cut, Tapin Radio, and perhaps one or two others.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

You’re  not gonna find a Windows tablit anywhere near as cheap as Computers for the blind.

The cheapeast iPad isn’t that cheap either.

Have you used android before?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

 

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well. 

 

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks for your help. Jim

 


Re: how to get to computers for the blind?

Gene
 

I’m not sure how I will use the Windows 10 machine yet.  I might mainly use the programs on the Windows 7 machine.  As I think about it, the programs may not be an important issue.
 
I’m not sure I would want to give up Eloquence.  Is it available for Android and is browsing as well developed such as with quick access commands?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?
 

Well are these programs you’d use frequently on the tablet?

If so then you might wanna stick k with Windows.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 4:01 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

No.  Perhaps I should consider it.  I didn’t want to learn a new operating system but maybe it wouldn’t be that much different.  Also, there are a few programs I’d like to use that may not be available in Android versions like MP3 Direct Cut, Tapin Radio, and perhaps one or two others.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 2:44 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

You’re  not gonna find a Windows tablit anywhere near as cheap as Computers for the blind.

The cheapeast iPad isn’t that cheap either.

Have you used android before?

John

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 3:12 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

While I don’t know how many people have good experiences or bad, since I don’t want to upgrade to Windows 10 and I don’t want to spend much money to gget something I don’t want, I may gamble on a purchase.  the worst that can happen is that I loose something like $150 on a laptop and I’d rather gamble and hope to win.

 

But I wonder if I should get a tablet instead and use it with an external keyboard.  I haven’t checked about prices but my impression is that tablets are cheaper than computers and a good one can do basic tasks such as browsing, e-mail, and streaming well. 

 

I’d be interested in opinions about what might be the better choice.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 1:54 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

I have had no issues with my desktop computer from Computers for the Blind which I have had for quite a while.  It came with windows 7, but now I have installed windows 10 on it.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 9:08 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks Steve, I’ll keep that I mind. Jim

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 2:53 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Is this the outfit in Texas? I know about a dozen people who've dealt with them, and none have come away satisfied, either with hardware received or support thereof. Caveat emptor.

 

On 4/28/2021 9:42 PM, John Holcomb II wrote:

www.computersfortheblind.org

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Jim Rawls
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:37 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] how to get to computers for the blind?

 

Thanks for your help. Jim

 

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