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Re: TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.

John Holcomb II
 

Yeah I see that with NVDA, on edge.

Every cover has weird links, all  of mine have labels but every one is a strange label.

Jaws won’t see it unless I use IE.

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 6:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.

 

they may think the page is in conformance but it isn’t.  If you up arrow one time when you are on the Sock Hop collection text using NVDA and the Brave Browser, a Chrome-based browser, you get to a link that says unlabeled and it is announced as a link.  In other words, you hear unlabeled link.  Pressing enter brings up what you want to see.  Does JAWS not see this link?  If not, I don’t know why nor if there is any setting that will allow you to see it.  I’m doubtful but someone may know of or find a setting.

 

You’ll really wear out your socks.  I think I saw that the collection has 235 songs.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 4:40 PM

Subject: [TechTalk] TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.

 

So I’m thinking about buying from:

Timelife.com/music

This is one of those websites that I can only make work with Internet Explorer, and maybe someone can tell me why’s this?

If I try to look at all of the different music  selections they have with Firefox or Edge using JAWS 2021, I can navigate to the headings  as heading level 2  gives all of the different things that can be ordered, but I can’t c see the track  listing.

With IE,  there’s some kinda graphics link that only IE sees.

When I had called them the guy said scroll down or something like that but  I don’t understand what he is saying.

In Edge and Firefox, I can get to the very first one, there’s a Lifetime of Romance music  CD.

If I hit learn more it’ll bring up that CD. But this is the  only one I can make work out of the entire page of music on Firefox or Edge.

 

On their website it says call us if you have problems navigating   our website. So that’s what I did. They say their website is compliant with W3G accessibility.

Here’s a perfect example of one that doesn’t work… for some reason.

With  IE, if I go to the heading labeled the  sock hop collection (which is a level 3 heading), just above the heading I see something that says

Link‑ Graphic‑ full/Sock-Hop-cover Graphic‑
Graphic‑

 

This is a link that I can hit space or enter on and it will  bring up the page with  songs  samples and a bit about the disk.

If I then hit

Link view tracks by disk,

I can see all of the tracks and samples.

However that  view cover graphic is something I can only find in IE and not Firefox or edge.

I’ve got jaws  set to this in IE,

 

Virtual Cursor OptionsGraphics Options
Graphics Show Tagged
Graphics recognize by Alt Attribute
Links Options
Virtual Cursor OptionsLinks Options
Graphical Links Show All

 

Now I do not have this set on a per application bases.

IN Edge its set like this…

General OptionsGraphics Labeled

Include Graphic Alignment Description  checked‑ 

If I type the word link in the search field in JAWS verbosity I don’t see anything about links when looking at the edge browser which is strange.

In Firefox  it’s  set the same way as edge.

My first thought was that different web engines make different things work at  times, but then it went to my mind that maybe I have  JAWS set in such a  way that it’ll skip over graphics? That’s why I checked each browsers jaws  verbosity settings.

So any idea why this site works to view what I’m after only in IE?

I tried that browser dead last after trying edge (my default), and Firefox browsers next.

Windows 7, JAWS 2021.

Thanks,

John

 


Re: TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.

Gene
 

No, its 255 songs. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.
 
they may think the page is in conformance but it isn’t.  If you up arrow one time when you are on the Sock Hop collection text using NVDA and the Brave Browser, a Chrome-based browser, you get to a link that says unlabeled and it is announced as a link.  In other words, you hear unlabeled link.  Pressing enter brings up what you want to see.  Does JAWS not see this link?  If not, I don’t know why nor if there is any setting that will allow you to see it.  I’m doubtful but someone may know of or find a setting.
 
You’ll really wear out your socks.  I think I saw that the collection has 235 songs.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 4:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.
 

So I’m thinking about buying from:

Timelife.com/music

This is one of those websites that I can only make work with Internet Explorer, and maybe someone can tell me why’s this?

If I try to look at all of the different music  selections they have with Firefox or Edge using JAWS 2021, I can navigate to the headings  as heading level 2  gives all of the different things that can be ordered, but I can’t c see the track  listing.

With IE,  there’s some kinda graphics link that only IE sees.

When I had called them the guy said scroll down or something like that but  I don’t understand what he is saying.

In Edge and Firefox, I can get to the very first one, there’s a Lifetime of Romance music  CD.

If I hit learn more it’ll bring up that CD. But this is the  only one I can make work out of the entire page of music on Firefox or Edge.

 

On their website it says call us if you have problems navigating   our website. So that’s what I did. They say their website is compliant with W3G accessibility.

Here’s a perfect example of one that doesn’t work… for some reason.

With  IE, if I go to the heading labeled the  sock hop collection (which is a level 3 heading), just above the heading I see something that says

Link‑ Graphic‑ full/Sock-Hop-cover Graphic‑
Graphic‑

 

This is a link that I can hit space or enter on and it will  bring up the page with  songs  samples and a bit about the disk.

If I then hit

Link view tracks by disk,

I can see all of the tracks and samples.

However that  view cover graphic is something I can only find in IE and not Firefox or edge.

I’ve got jaws  set to this in IE,

 

Virtual Cursor OptionsGraphics Options
Graphics Show Tagged
Graphics recognize by Alt Attribute
Links Options
Virtual Cursor OptionsLinks Options
Graphical Links Show All

 

Now I do not have this set on a per application bases.

IN Edge its set like this…

General OptionsGraphics Labeled

Include Graphic Alignment Description  checked‑ 

If I type the word link in the search field in JAWS verbosity I don’t see anything about links when looking at the edge browser which is strange.

In Firefox  it’s  set the same way as edge.

My first thought was that different web engines make different things work at  times, but then it went to my mind that maybe I have  JAWS set in such a  way that it’ll skip over graphics? That’s why I checked each browsers jaws  verbosity settings.

So any idea why this site works to view what I’m after only in IE?

I tried that browser dead last after trying edge (my default), and Firefox browsers next.

Windows 7, JAWS 2021.

Thanks,

John

 


Re: TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.

Gene
 

they may think the page is in conformance but it isn’t.  If you up arrow one time when you are on the Sock Hop collection text using NVDA and the Brave Browser, a Chrome-based browser, you get to a link that says unlabeled and it is announced as a link.  In other words, you hear unlabeled link.  Pressing enter brings up what you want to see.  Does JAWS not see this link?  If not, I don’t know why nor if there is any setting that will allow you to see it.  I’m doubtful but someone may know of or find a setting.
 
You’ll really wear out your socks.  I think I saw that the collection has 235 songs.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 4:40 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.
 

So I’m thinking about buying from:

Timelife.com/music

This is one of those websites that I can only make work with Internet Explorer, and maybe someone can tell me why’s this?

If I try to look at all of the different music  selections they have with Firefox or Edge using JAWS 2021, I can navigate to the headings  as heading level 2  gives all of the different things that can be ordered, but I can’t c see the track  listing.

With IE,  there’s some kinda graphics link that only IE sees.

When I had called them the guy said scroll down or something like that but  I don’t understand what he is saying.

In Edge and Firefox, I can get to the very first one, there’s a Lifetime of Romance music  CD.

If I hit learn more it’ll bring up that CD. But this is the  only one I can make work out of the entire page of music on Firefox or Edge.

 

On their website it says call us if you have problems navigating   our website. So that’s what I did. They say their website is compliant with W3G accessibility.

Here’s a perfect example of one that doesn’t work… for some reason.

With  IE, if I go to the heading labeled the  sock hop collection (which is a level 3 heading), just above the heading I see something that says

Link‑ Graphic‑ full/Sock-Hop-cover Graphic‑
Graphic‑

 

This is a link that I can hit space or enter on and it will  bring up the page with  songs  samples and a bit about the disk.

If I then hit

Link view tracks by disk,

I can see all of the tracks and samples.

However that  view cover graphic is something I can only find in IE and not Firefox or edge.

I’ve got jaws  set to this in IE,

 

Virtual Cursor OptionsGraphics Options
Graphics Show Tagged
Graphics recognize by Alt Attribute
Links Options
Virtual Cursor OptionsLinks Options
Graphical Links Show All

 

Now I do not have this set on a per application bases.

IN Edge its set like this…

General OptionsGraphics Labeled

Include Graphic Alignment Description  checked‑ 

If I type the word link in the search field in JAWS verbosity I don’t see anything about links when looking at the edge browser which is strange.

In Firefox  it’s  set the same way as edge.

My first thought was that different web engines make different things work at  times, but then it went to my mind that maybe I have  JAWS set in such a  way that it’ll skip over graphics? That’s why I checked each browsers jaws  verbosity settings.

So any idea why this site works to view what I’m after only in IE?

I tried that browser dead last after trying edge (my default), and Firefox browsers next.

Windows 7, JAWS 2021.

Thanks,

John

 


TimeLife.com/Music only works in IE for me.

John Holcomb II
 

So I’m thinking about buying from:

Timelife.com/music

This is one of those websites that I can only make work with Internet Explorer, and maybe someone can tell me why’s this?

If I try to look at all of the different music  selections they have with Firefox or Edge using JAWS 2021, I can navigate to the headings  as heading level 2  gives all of the different things that can be ordered, but I can’t c see the track  listing.

With IE,  there’s some kinda graphics link that only IE sees.

When I had called them the guy said scroll down or something like that but  I don’t understand what he is saying.

In Edge and Firefox, I can get to the very first one, there’s a Lifetime of Romance music  CD.

If I hit learn more it’ll bring up that CD. But this is the  only one I can make work out of the entire page of music on Firefox or Edge.

 

On their website it says call us if you have problems navigating   our website. So that’s what I did. They say their website is compliant with W3G accessibility.

Here’s a perfect example of one that doesn’t work… for some reason.

With  IE, if I go to the heading labeled the  sock hop collection (which is a level 3 heading), just above the heading I see something that says

Link‑ Graphic‑ full/Sock-Hop-cover Graphic‑
Graphic‑

 

This is a link that I can hit space or enter on and it will  bring up the page with  songs  samples and a bit about the disk.

If I then hit

Link view tracks by disk,

I can see all of the tracks and samples.

However that  view cover graphic is something I can only find in IE and not Firefox or edge.

I’ve got jaws  set to this in IE,

 

Virtual Cursor OptionsGraphics Options
Graphics Show Tagged
Graphics recognize by Alt Attribute
Links Options
Virtual Cursor OptionsLinks Options
Graphical Links Show All

 

Now I do not have this set on a per application bases.

IN Edge its set like this…

General OptionsGraphics Labeled

Include Graphic Alignment Description  checked‑ 

If I type the word link in the search field in JAWS verbosity I don’t see anything about links when looking at the edge browser which is strange.

In Firefox  it’s  set the same way as edge.

My first thought was that different web engines make different things work at  times, but then it went to my mind that maybe I have  JAWS set in such a  way that it’ll skip over graphics? That’s why I checked each browsers jaws  verbosity settings.

So any idea why this site works to view what I’m after only in IE?

I tried that browser dead last after trying edge (my default), and Firefox browsers next.

Windows 7, JAWS 2021.

Thanks,

John

 


ZoomMessed up my system

Kerryann Ifill <ksbf@...>
 

Hi all,

Advice would be greatly appreciated. Using the latest copy of Jaws and updated windows 10, I had the awful experience of being totally embarrassed while conducting some training this afternoon.
Whenever I enabled screen share in zoom, my computer stopped performing several actions. Momoving to menus in google docs no longer worked. Moving to the desktop became a no no and I eventually had no speech and could not restart.

Any ideas on what could be wrong?

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Kerry


Re: free matter for the blind

Pamela Dominguez
 

I had heard it was fourth class.  And somebody recently, on one of these lists, said fifth class.  So, check for sure, which one it is.  Pam.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind
 
It goes as, I believe the designation is third class male.  If you find out how long a third class package will take, that should give you a rough idea.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 1:11 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind
 
When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
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Re: free matter for the blind

Pamela Dominguez
 

There is no set time frame. It depends on what's going on with the mail, at the moment. Pam.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kimsan via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 2:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind

When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng








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Windows 10 Update Replaces 26-Year-Old Icons!

Janet
 

Hello All!
Yes, I'm reading again! I copied and pasted below some information some of you might be interested in reading.

Janet

Upcoming Windows 10 Update Replaces 26-Year-Old Icons
ANDREW HEINZMAN
@andrew_andrew__
MAY 6, 2021, 11:33 AM EDT | 1 min read
The new icons (left) and the old icons (right). Windows Latest figure
The new icons Vs. the Windows 95 icons.
The new icons (left) and the old icons (right). Windows Latest figure end
One of the strangest parts of Windows 10 is its mismatched icons, an issue that's most obvious when you open the Device Manager or try to
customize
a File Explorer shortcut. But a new Windows 10 preview build reveals that Microsoft is finally updating icons leftover from the Windows 95 era, including
the floppy drive, hibernation mode, and memory icons.
Microsoft is working on a Windows 10 design overhaul to make the OS more modern, visually consistent, and touch-friendly. Code named "Sun Valley," the
redesign project includes all-new icons for folders and other common elements. Several of these changes are visible in the
Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 21343,
though they aren't available in standard versions of Windows just yet.

Microsoft's upcoming "Sun Valley" icons. Microsoft figure end
First reported by
Windows Latest,
a newly-released version of Windows 10 Insider Preview Build refreshes most of the Windows 95-era icons. These 26-year-old icons are part of shell32.dll,
a dynamic link library that has controlled some elements of Windows' GUI for over two decades.
While Microsoft has made an effort to keep commonly-used icons like the folder and recycling bin up to date, the company simply hasn't bothered replacing
its less-useful icons, like the floppy drive. Still, these old icons pop up in several areas of Windows 10, like the Device Manager, and are often utilized
by old apps. Giving them a facelift will make Windows 10 more consistent, even if the average person never encounters a hibernation mode icon.
Rumors suggest that the "Sun Valley" redesign will debut in October with the Windows 10 21H2 update. But Microsoft hasn't replaced all of the icons in
current Insider Preview builds-Windows Latest reports that the classic WinDirStat "tree" icon still stands strong ... for now.
article end

https://www.reviewgeek.com/81452/upcoming-windows-10-update-replaces-26-year-old-icons/


Peace Be With You.


Re: free matter for the blind

Gene
 

I believe that part of what determines the speed at which third class mail is delivered is that if there isn’t enough capacity to take it at the moment, it is put aside for later delivery in favor of higher classes of mail.  That would account, in large measure, for the variations in delivery being discussed.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Loy
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind
 
I just recently received a free matter package shipped from Oregon to
Georgia received it the second day. I shipped package from Georgia to
Louisiana on Monday and they have not yet received it. I can't explain why
the first was received so fast.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@...>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind


My experience has been the package comes a couple days later than
normal. So if something should take three days, it will probably take five.



On 5/8/2021 11:11 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:
> When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
> does it take to reach it's destination?
>
>
> Kimsan Song
> kimsansong@...
>   If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
> artist channel at
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
> Also, you may follow me on twitter:
> https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng
>
>
>
>
>
>
>










free matter for the blind

DAVID GLOBE
 

I was told it travels third class male, whitch is how junkmail goes, so I would presume it would not take too long since I get junkmale quite quickly.

David


Re: free matter for the blind

Loy
 

I just recently received a free matter package shipped from Oregon to
Georgia received it the second day. I shipped package from Georgia to
Louisiana on Monday and they have not yet received it. I can't explain why
the first was received so fast.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <dlh007@centurylink.net>
To: <main@TechTalk.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind


My experience has been the package comes a couple days later than
normal. So if something should take three days, it will probably take five.



On 5/8/2021 11:11 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:
When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







Re: free matter for the blind

Dave
 

My experience has been the package comes a couple days later than
normal.  So if something should take three days, it will probably take five.

On 5/8/2021 11:11 AM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:
When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng






Re: free matter for the blind

gbmagoo@...
 

Qa long time

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 11:11
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind

When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng


Re: free matter for the blind

Gene
 

It goes as, I believe the designation is third class male.  If you find out how long a third class package will take, that should give you a rough idea.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2021 1:11 PM
Subject: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind
 
When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@...
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







Re: free matter for the blind

Monte Single
 

I think it would depend on a few things;
---time of year,
---from where and to where,
And the size of the item.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
via groups.io
Sent: May 8, 2021 12:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] free matter for the blind

When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng


Re: free matter for the blind

Evan Reese
 

It can vary quite a bit.

We sent some boxes of Braille books from here in Ohio to someone in Collorado a few weeks ago. We sent them Thursday, and they got there four days later on Monday. That's pretty fast for Free Matter. I know that things can sometimes take considerably longer than that.

Evan

On 5/8/2021 2:11 PM, Kimsan via groups.io wrote:
When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng







free matter for the blind

Kimsan
 

When someone sends you something using free matter for the blind, how long
does it take to reach it's destination?


Kimsan Song
kimsansong@icloud.com
If you are into HipHop or R&B, I invite you to subscribe to my youtube
artist channel at
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFzrNcgBfHguK-LnnJMMylA
Also, you may follow me on twitter:
https://twitter.com/kims4ns0ng


Re: Blind Tech Guys Strap Device

James Bentley
 

I don’t know why I thought that was so funny but I did.

 

LOL LOL, rolling on the floor.

 

James B 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of john s
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 4:56 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Device

 

James, I wouldn't either.  It couldn't detect cow pies.

At 02:56 AM 5/8/2021, James Bentley, wrote:


I wouldn’t try to cross a cow pasture with this thing.  Much less a busy intersection in New York City.

 

James B 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 10:17 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Device

 

 

These are the exact words taken from the Strap web site:

 

Explore your world with
the Innovation of STRAP



The world’s first total replacement of the white cane.

 



Nowhere on their web site does the company caution against using the Strap without previous O&M training.   This is a pretty extravagant claim that implies that no white cane is needed, and to assert that you can simply strap this device  onto your chest and navigate safely and independently solely on the basis of a short tutorial is irresponsible.  I can guarantee you that if a blind consumer without any specialized O&M training used the Strap exclusively as an aid for independent mobility and wound up getting seriously injured in an accident, the company would be sued out of existence.  I know a bunch of lawyers who would be licking their chops to take on such a case. 



Gerald



 

On 5/7/2021 10:20 AM, Gene wrote:

You continue to make straw man arguments or incorrect comparisons.  The device either will or will not be able to replace the cane, something I doubt.  I don’t think it should be presented and advertised in that way.  I don’t think the instructional material should make that claim, if it does.  At most, perhaps it might say that you may find that it can replace the cane and I’m not sure it should make a statement like that.  Perhaps it should say that it can serve to provide valuable additional information when traveling using a cane.  But that has nothing to do with whether the instructional material teaches use of the device effectively. 

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Gerald Levy via groups.io

Sent: Friday, May 07, 2021 9:04 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Device

 

 

Which may explain why none of gthem ever achieved commercial success. Keep in mind that the Strap is being promoted as an alternative to a white cane, not as an adjunct, so to market it to blind consumers as a stand-alone mobility aid and expect them to achieve safe mobility strictly by listening to a short tutorial is a recipe for certain failure.

 

Gerald

 

 

5/7/2021 9:14 AM, chris judge wrote:

I’ve been racking my old brain to come up with examples of products in the past that came with specialised training. Sorry but I’m drawing a blank.

 

Chris Judge

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via groups.io

Sent: May 7, 2021 8:59 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Blind Tech Guys Strap Device

 

 

I make that assumption on the basis of someone who is hearing impaired.  Trying to accurately detect traffic flow patterens while wearing hearing aids is difficult enough without the added distraction of vibrations from an electronic mobility aid. Quite frankly, the company is taking a slapdash, lackadaisical attitude with regard to training by expecting purchasers to become adept in the use of the Strap simply by listening to a tutorial.  Do you know anyone who has ever become a successful white cane user simply by listening to a tutorial without any comprehensive personalized trainig from an O&M specialist?

 

Gerald

 

 

 

On 5/7/2021 7:32 AM, Gene wrote:

The podcast I linked to previously includes one of the developers explaining about the tutorial that comes with the device.  it demonstrates, by discussing and causing the device to make them, different haptic occurrences and what they mean.  the person says that after going through the short tutorial, the person learning the device might want to go outdoors using his cane and the device so he/she can learn how to use it in that way. 

 

In another message, you said the haptic vibrations might distract from traffic sounds.  I see no reason to believe that.  On what basis do you make such a statement?  Why should vibrations and other sensations on your chest and other areas of your body interfere with your concentration on hearing.  And if they do at first, anyone with any sense won’t go into traffic until they have learned to experience both without degredation.

 

I remain skeptical that this device will be widely used because of cost and because I am yet to be persuaded that it will give me the kind of detailed information I want such as the height of a curve or of steps in a flight of stairs..  But if independent knowledgeable and credible reviewers say this sort of information is given well, while I don’t think skilled cane or dog users will flock to purchase a 750 dollar device when what they have works well, at the same time, I don’t think learning to use the device and integrating it with cane or dog use will be a problem.  I just doubt very much that it is worth the money.

 

Gene

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From: Victor

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That’s a good question!

 

Victor

 

On May 7, 2021, at 3:56 AM, Gerald Levy via groups.io mailto:bwaylimited@... wrote:



 

What kind of personalized training is offered to purchasers of the Strap?  To sell this device without providing one on one training so that the purchaser is taught to wear and use it properly would be highly irresponsible. For such a mobility aid,printed instructions are insufficient. 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/7/2021 1:59 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

A couple of other things:

 

Orcam does not do obstacle detection, and it requires that you train it to detect specific faces.

 

On Thu, May 6, 2021, 22:42 Victor <victorelawrence@... > wrote:

From  my  research ,  the  best  all-around  mobility  device  seems  to  be  the  Orcam  device.   It  detects  objects, reads print, recognizes faces and more.  It probably doesn't replace the cane, but this Strap device hasn't been around long enough to prove itself.  Orcam has been on the market for a few years and I've read good things about it.

 

If I were to spend money on an advanced mobility device, and if the payments were affordable, Orcam is probably what I'd buy.

 

Victor

 

On May 6, 2021, at 5:09 PM, James Bentley <bentleyj1952@... > wrote:



The experimental Japanese robotic guide dog also got put down.  It couldn’t handle stairs.

 

James B 

 

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Well, the NYPD's robotic dog didn't work out and had to be put down.  So don't count on a robotic guide dog any time soon.

 

Gerald

 

 

On 5/6/2021 5:39 PM, Pamela Dominguez wrote:

The only kind of guide dog I would ever have would be a robotic one.  Pam.

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Probably there would be a little less maintenance with robotic guide dog.

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I guess that would be good for all the people who have smart phones.  But it still wouldn’t be good for the rest of us.  Pam.

From: Victor mailto:victorelawrence@...

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2021 11:34 AM

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If I were wealthy, I might purchase this device just to play with it and provide feedback to the developers. In the meantime, why can’t someone just develop existing smart phone apps to do the same thing? Why can’t we just place our smart phones in a wearable lanyard with the phone's camera facing away from our bodies to accomplish the same things? Supersense and other similar apps could accomplish the same things if these apps are developed a little more. If you want this device, go out and purchase it. As for me, I’m not going to run out and purchase this device just because it’s the latest thing that technology developers think is going to be great. They are probably wrong.

I think there was a recently published article about robotic seeing eye dogs. Honestly, I think such a device might be more useful than this device. Again, I have never wanted a seeing eye dog. However, a robotic seeing Eye dog might be useful.

Just my thoughts,

Victor


On May 6, 2021, at 7:43 AM, chris judge mailto:chrisjudge1967@... wrote:




I’m definitely interested. New tech is always exciting. I wouldn’t pre-order, at least not yet, but if it can do what they claim I may add it to my tech tool kit.


Chris Judge

< https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification>


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Sent: May 6, 2021 11:37 AM

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Hello Dave,


This device is mounted to the chest for precisely the reason you mention, the issue that people with glasses or with arm bands and such end up moving about, thus making detecting obstacles more difficult. The chest tends to be relatively proportional with the direction the body is moving in.


They also state that Strap will detect cracks in the sidewalk, and assist users in travelling in a straight line. Is it trailing? Sort of, but no. Guide dog users don't trail either, as you know, and use different clues while traveling to get to where they wish to go.


I do have reservations, I don't think that this device, in its first iteration, will be a great cane replacement, but I do think the developers are worth supporting, and I do hope lots of people buy it to provide the devs feedback, and to help this kind of a product move forward. One concern I have is regarding detection of, for instance, doorways where the door is closed, but this can be a challenge, to different degrees and in different ways, with both a cane and a dog. The cane requires trailing which may be a bit difficult if there is, for instance, lots of outdoor displays or furniture, not to mention a bit noisy, and the dog may or may not want to indicate a particular doorway, and may confuse windows with doors.


Each mobility device has its pros and cons, but I do think that a product like this is worth taking notice of, and at least trying and providing meaningful feedback for.


On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 7:23 AM Dave <dlh007@... mailto:dlh007@... > wrote:

Devices like this have been made before.  I recall one such device that

was built into a pair of glasses.  Think they were called Sonar

Glasses.  The user needed to move their Head side to side back and forth

as well as up and down, to have the Beam cover the front, as the person

was walking.

Get to a set of Stairs, and the device would Beep a series of notes like

going up or down a scale.

Now, as far as I am concerned, if someone wants to purchase this type of

devise, go ahead.  If you think it will help you, by all means, go for it.

I can think of one aspect of using a Cane that might be  a problem using

this Strap Device.

I would be curious to try something like this, but at first glance, I

can't see how it could do as good of job as my Cane. But, again, don't

let my thoughts frighten you away.

How would a person Trail, as they are walking along?

Let's say I have one of those situations where I am walking on a walking

area made of pavement, which is blended into the street. On the left,

there is a White line that helps Sighted folks from walking out into the

street.  And on the right is a Seam, or very narrow Crack where the

pavement meets the Cement of a Store Front parking area.

With a Cane I can feel the Texture differences between the pavement and

the Cement, or I might be able to detect the Seam or Crack.  Not sure

how those Sonar device would help in this situation.

And like with the Sonar Glasses of years past, does the operator need to

continuously twist their body from side to side to have the sonar beams

cover what's on the left and right?  That could be an interesting Boogie

Woogie move for someone to do while they are walking.

Personally, I have used a Cane for years, and I did have a guide Dog

for  several years.  I found the Dog was in general, better than using a

Cane, especially in deep Snow and packed Ice conditions.

But, the up keep and care of the Dog, and the reactions to the Dog

others would exhibit were down sides for me.  And when my Dog was

retired, I decided to return to using a Cane.

I have good cane skills so going back was not an issue, unless it Snowed

four or five inches over night, and I now had to wait for others to walk

on the walk ways to make a path I could follow with a Cane.

However, if anyone has this device, or had something like it in the

past, I would be curious to hear of your experiences with it.


Grumpy Dave










                 John


Re: Need good OCR program

chris judge
 

Excellent.

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From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nancy Shackelford
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Hi, Chris: This worked just fine. I didn't have to invoke the layered commands because JAWS brought up the dialog box asking me if I wanted JAWS to OCR the document, and, of course, I told it "Yes." Help much appreciated.
Thanks again,
Nance
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Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Re: Need good OCR program

Nancy Shackelford
 

Hi, Chris: This worked just fine. I didn't have to invoke the layered
commands because JAWS brought up the dialog box asking me if I wanted
JAWS to OCR the document, and, of course, I told it "Yes." Help much
appreciated.
Thanks again,
Nance
--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--

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