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Re: amazon search

Andy
 


If you put search terms in quotes, it will only search for those words in that order.  in other words, if you search for "Sharman toilet tissue" in quotes, you will only get results related to Sharman toilet tissue.  If you do not use quotes, you will get anything related to Sharman, toilet, and tissue, which probably means that you will get a lot of things that you do not want.
 
Andy
 

----- Original Message -----
From: joanne
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search

Amazon started showing me all these extensive searches not related to the item sometime yesterday, and a couple times it even went to some weird Microsoft/bing search.  It's never been hard to search on Amazon, but something weird happened a few times lately and I am going to switch browsers should it happen again. 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search

On reasonably sophisticated sites, searches should be sophisticated enough not to need qquotes in most cases.  I didn’t use quotes when I tried searching for what is specified on the site and the search worked as I thought it probably would, showing results for what I wrote without usingg quotes. 
 
What might the problem be?  I’m not sure but the first thing I would do would be to try another browser in case something, who knows what, went wrong with this one, addware, some sort of other malware that shows lots of results that aren’t wanted, possibly some thing else I don’t know about. 
 
But places like Amazon and Google are consumer products and design search to work well when used by people who know almost nothing about how to search.  This ability has been an area of concentration and improvement over a good while and is essential for such consumer products. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search
 
Hi all,

Put your search term in quotes.  That will force the search engine to
look for it as a single string.

Ann P.

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Portal Tutoring
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Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

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Not all those who wander are lost."





Re: thunder bird not accessible

Gene
 

I don’t think it’s a question of not being believed.  Its what happens when someone is behind in mail and answers the first message in a thread where there is much more discussion. 
 
I think something was damaged in the program, I don’t know what, and for some reason, your screen-reader couldn’t read text on screen dealing with messages. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunder bird not accessible
 

Hello, when my thunderbird updated, I could not access my messages at all. I could write messages using the keyboard shortcuts but, I could not read the same message I wrote. I went threw all of this yesterday and have determined to try to redo my thunderbird, I have kept the profiles folder but if it is corrupted, I will have to redo all my accounts. So it was inaccessible to me when I wrote to the list. I wish someone could screen shared with me, to see what I am talking about. I feel like I am not being believed when it is clearly happening to me. Thank you, Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunder bird not accessible

 

Morning all,

 

Heather, this message is not helpful.  All it does is bring up a bunch

of questions.

 

Now, I will preface this here message by stating that I don't use

Thunderbird.  However, the questions apply whenever the general catch

term "inaccessible" is used.   Here are the questions.

 

First, what is the program doing or not doing which makes it unusable for you?

 

Next,  What is it that you want to do which you cannot do now?

 

Third, what error messages or status messages are you getting?  What is

the computer telling you?

 

Finally, have you looked in the current documentation?  Have the

commands changed?  Have the ways to access the aspects of the program

changed?  Have you read the "What's New?"  text file?

 

Before we can help with the so-called inaccessibility problem, these

questions need to be answered.  I say so-called because the line

between inaccessibility and user ignorance is very thin.  This is

particularly true of a program which has been a model for accessibility

for years and is used by thousands of people who are blind or visually

impaired.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with ignorance because it

can be remedied with knowledge.  It is only deliberately remaining

ignorant that is the problem.  Any Thunderbird users online?  Can you

all help Heather?

 

I suspect that the ways to input commands or to get at menus have

changed.  I think once the new command set is known, all will be well. 

Now, I could be wrong.  Software companies have, in the past, made huge

bloopers which have actually made their software inaccessible, and this

is a possibility, but it's a remote one.   If the commands have

changed, maybe Accessible World or BITS or Mystic Access may want to

think about a tutorial or presentation.   That would solve the problem handily.

 

 

 

Ann P.

 

 

Original message:

 

> Hello, my thunder bird updated and now it is inaccessible! Anyone have

> this issue? Heather

 

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

 

>

 

--

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

EMAIL:  akp@...

Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/

Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info

Skype: Putertutor

 

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost."

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Jaws and conversation view in outlook

Marie Nelson
 

I just attended a Webinar by Vispero on Outlook on Thursday and I believe they said the command works only with the newest release of Jaws which came out this week and that it might not work with Windows 7. Please check out if this is correct.
Marie
 
 

From: John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 9:22 AM
To: jawslite@groups.io
Cc: main@TechTalk.groups.io ; Tech4theblind@groups.io ; blind-techies@groups.io ; blind-philly-comp@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook
 

So in the newest JAWS release… using Outlook it says I should be able to open a thread and press N or Shift+N to be able to hear the next message in a conversation. I should be able to hear who its from the date and the first line of the messages. But this isn’t working.

If I expand the conversation with the right arrow and hit N nothing happens. If I turn on Keyboard Help with JawsKey+F1, and I hit N, it doesn’t even say that N or Shift+N is suppose to do anything.

I’m using Outlook 2016 via Office365 on Windows 7.

Does this not work in Outlook 2016?

Thanks,

John

 


Re: thunderbird help needed

Gerald Levy
 


The latest version of Thunderbird is 78.10.2.  Go to the tools menu and select the options menu.  On the options menu, use header navigation to reach the update tab and then tab through the options until you land on the check for updates button.


Gerald



On 5/22/2021 12:41 PM, heather albright wrote:

Hello, I downloaded a fresh copy of thunderbird it is 78.4.0 64 bit. I went to the update manager in the about page and it seems to not have any updates is this correct? I have to start over as I believe my profiles were corrupted when I tried to install them with the new copy, I had the same issues. So this is my second try to redo thunderbird.  Is this the most current version now? Thanks Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

Yes, I will back it up for sure. Thank you for all the help. Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 3:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I doubt you did anything.  It may be that the update itself didn’t go properly.  It usually doesn’t happen but things go wrong sometimes with all sorts of things.  I assume you saw my messages and will keep a copy of the program as a backup to guard against possible problems in future.

 

Gene

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

                Okay, thanks everyone, I truly appreciate all the help. I plan on deleting the portable copy and reinstalling it again. I have the profiles folder saved so I can put it back. I just hate not knowing what exactly happened to make my thunderbird go hay wire after it updated. I just wanted to know so I do not do it again in the future.I hope the profiles are okay. It was a real pain with google to add 2 accounts and I cant remember what we did to add the second one to thunderbird. I was trying to find my notes on it tonight and could not find them with the steps. So I hope tomorrow is another day where my brain works better than today, smils! Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

Whatever you do, after you solve the problem, back up the portable program.  That’s one of the important reasons to use the portable version.  If anything becomes corrupted, you don’t have to do any trouble shooting.  Just delete the program and copy the folder from the backup location to where you have the folder you are working in now.

 

As far as how to remove a portable program, it isn’t installed.  Just delete the folder and you will have deleted the program.

 

There is an installer but it doesn’t install the program.  It places it on your machine, that is, it creates the folders and places the files in them but it doesn’t actually install the program.  As I said, portable programs aren’t installed.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

You should back up the existing copy of Thunderbird portable before it updates and in general, it’s a good idea to have it backed up so all your settings are maintained and you don’t have to do any setup if you decided to replace the existing copy. 

 

Do you have a backup of an older version that you can place where the current version is  now?  In other words, if you have a backup, delete the folder of the program you are using and copy the backup to the location you run the program from.

 

If you don’t have a backup, I’m not sure about how you would downgrade.  Others may be able to advise you.  I’m going to let my current version update and see if I have any problems.  Meantime do you see such things as menus in the program?  Do you see the folders treeview?  What don’t you see, the messages list?  It may be that with more information, we can solve the problem without downgrading or using an older version.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I apologized I am using thunder bird portable, not the installed program, did not know if this made a difference? Thank You Heather 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 2:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I can write a message in thunderbird using the keyboard keystrokes but, I am unable to access my messages after the update. IS there something I should do to make look like it did  before the update? Or can I downgrade to the last version before it updated? I am using my old app the windows mail app. I want my thunderbird back. Thank you Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 


thunderbird help needed

heather albright
 

Hello, I downloaded a fresh copy of thunderbird it is 78.4.0 64 bit. I went to the update manager in the about page and it seems to not have any updates is this correct? I have to start over as I believe my profiles were corrupted when I tried to install them with the new copy, I had the same issues. So this is my second try to redo thunderbird.  Is this the most current version now? Thanks Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 11:00 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

Yes, I will back it up for sure. Thank you for all the help. Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 3:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I doubt you did anything.  It may be that the update itself didn’t go properly.  It usually doesn’t happen but things go wrong sometimes with all sorts of things.  I assume you saw my messages and will keep a copy of the program as a backup to guard against possible problems in future.

 

Gene

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

                Okay, thanks everyone, I truly appreciate all the help. I plan on deleting the portable copy and reinstalling it again. I have the profiles folder saved so I can put it back. I just hate not knowing what exactly happened to make my thunderbird go hay wire after it updated. I just wanted to know so I do not do it again in the future.I hope the profiles are okay. It was a real pain with google to add 2 accounts and I cant remember what we did to add the second one to thunderbird. I was trying to find my notes on it tonight and could not find them with the steps. So I hope tomorrow is another day where my brain works better than today, smils! Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

Whatever you do, after you solve the problem, back up the portable program.  That’s one of the important reasons to use the portable version.  If anything becomes corrupted, you don’t have to do any trouble shooting.  Just delete the program and copy the folder from the backup location to where you have the folder you are working in now.

 

As far as how to remove a portable program, it isn’t installed.  Just delete the folder and you will have deleted the program.

 

There is an installer but it doesn’t install the program.  It places it on your machine, that is, it creates the folders and places the files in them but it doesn’t actually install the program.  As I said, portable programs aren’t installed.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

You should back up the existing copy of Thunderbird portable before it updates and in general, it’s a good idea to have it backed up so all your settings are maintained and you don’t have to do any setup if you decided to replace the existing copy. 

 

Do you have a backup of an older version that you can place where the current version is  now?  In other words, if you have a backup, delete the folder of the program you are using and copy the backup to the location you run the program from.

 

If you don’t have a backup, I’m not sure about how you would downgrade.  Others may be able to advise you.  I’m going to let my current version update and see if I have any problems.  Meantime do you see such things as menus in the program?  Do you see the folders treeview?  What don’t you see, the messages list?  It may be that with more information, we can solve the problem without downgrading or using an older version.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I apologized I am using thunder bird portable, not the installed program, did not know if this made a difference? Thank You Heather 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 2:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I can write a message in thunderbird using the keyboard keystrokes but, I am unable to access my messages after the update. IS there something I should do to make look like it did  before the update? Or can I downgrade to the last version before it updated? I am using my old app the windows mail app. I want my thunderbird back. Thank you Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Jaws and conversation view in outlook

gbmagoo@...
 

Using the latest version, and when I just did the keyboard help and did the n and shift n it told what it was to do.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 09:27
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook

 

Ok,  so what version of outlook are you using?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of gbmagoo@...
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook

 

Well with your email I just red, it is the only email no thread.  So, I did a n and it said no more emails on this page, and when I did shift n it sade no more emails.

 

So I have to think it is working for me.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 09:23
To: jawslite@groups.io
Cc: main@TechTalk.groups.io; Tech4theblind@groups.io; blind-techies@groups.io; blind-philly-comp@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook

 

So in the newest JAWS release… using Outlook it says I should be able to open a thread and press N or Shift+N to be able to hear the next message in a conversation. I should be able to hear who its from the date and the first line of the messages. But this isn’t working.

If I expand the conversation with the right arrow and hit N nothing happens. If I turn on Keyboard Help with JawsKey+F1, and I hit N, it doesn’t even say that N or Shift+N is suppose to do anything.

I’m using Outlook 2016 via Office365 on Windows 7.

Does this not work in Outlook 2016?

Thanks,

John

 


Re: Jaws and conversation view in outlook

John Holcomb II
 

Ok,  so what version of outlook are you using?

John

 

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of gbmagoo@...
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 12:26 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook

 

Well with your email I just red, it is the only email no thread.  So, I did a n and it said no more emails on this page, and when I did shift n it sade no more emails.

 

So I have to think it is working for me.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 09:23
To: jawslite@groups.io
Cc: main@TechTalk.groups.io; Tech4theblind@groups.io; blind-techies@groups.io; blind-philly-comp@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook

 

So in the newest JAWS release… using Outlook it says I should be able to open a thread and press N or Shift+N to be able to hear the next message in a conversation. I should be able to hear who its from the date and the first line of the messages. But this isn’t working.

If I expand the conversation with the right arrow and hit N nothing happens. If I turn on Keyboard Help with JawsKey+F1, and I hit N, it doesn’t even say that N or Shift+N is suppose to do anything.

I’m using Outlook 2016 via Office365 on Windows 7.

Does this not work in Outlook 2016?

Thanks,

John

 


Re: Jaws and conversation view in outlook

gbmagoo@...
 

Well with your email I just red, it is the only email no thread.  So, I did a n and it said no more emails on this page, and when I did shift n it sade no more emails.

 

So I have to think it is working for me.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Holcomb II
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 09:23
To: jawslite@groups.io
Cc: main@TechTalk.groups.io; Tech4theblind@groups.io; blind-techies@groups.io; blind-philly-comp@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Jaws and conversation view in outlook

 

So in the newest JAWS release… using Outlook it says I should be able to open a thread and press N or Shift+N to be able to hear the next message in a conversation. I should be able to hear who its from the date and the first line of the messages. But this isn’t working.

If I expand the conversation with the right arrow and hit N nothing happens. If I turn on Keyboard Help with JawsKey+F1, and I hit N, it doesn’t even say that N or Shift+N is suppose to do anything.

I’m using Outlook 2016 via Office365 on Windows 7.

Does this not work in Outlook 2016?

Thanks,

John

 


Jaws and conversation view in outlook

John Holcomb II
 

So in the newest JAWS release… using Outlook it says I should be able to open a thread and press N or Shift+N to be able to hear the next message in a conversation. I should be able to hear who its from the date and the first line of the messages. But this isn’t working.

If I expand the conversation with the right arrow and hit N nothing happens. If I turn on Keyboard Help with JawsKey+F1, and I hit N, it doesn’t even say that N or Shift+N is suppose to do anything.

I’m using Outlook 2016 via Office365 on Windows 7.

Does this not work in Outlook 2016?

Thanks,

John

 


Re: thunderbird help needed

heather albright
 

Yes, I will back it up for sure. Thank you for all the help. Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 3:51 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I doubt you did anything.  It may be that the update itself didn’t go properly.  It usually doesn’t happen but things go wrong sometimes with all sorts of things.  I assume you saw my messages and will keep a copy of the program as a backup to guard against possible problems in future.

 

Gene

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 10:50 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

                Okay, thanks everyone, I truly appreciate all the help. I plan on deleting the portable copy and reinstalling it again. I have the profiles folder saved so I can put it back. I just hate not knowing what exactly happened to make my thunderbird go hay wire after it updated. I just wanted to know so I do not do it again in the future.I hope the profiles are okay. It was a real pain with google to add 2 accounts and I cant remember what we did to add the second one to thunderbird. I was trying to find my notes on it tonight and could not find them with the steps. So I hope tomorrow is another day where my brain works better than today, smils! Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:51 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

Whatever you do, after you solve the problem, back up the portable program.  That’s one of the important reasons to use the portable version.  If anything becomes corrupted, you don’t have to do any trouble shooting.  Just delete the program and copy the folder from the backup location to where you have the folder you are working in now.

 

As far as how to remove a portable program, it isn’t installed.  Just delete the folder and you will have deleted the program.

 

There is an installer but it doesn’t install the program.  It places it on your machine, that is, it creates the folders and places the files in them but it doesn’t actually install the program.  As I said, portable programs aren’t installed.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 6:38 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

You should back up the existing copy of Thunderbird portable before it updates and in general, it’s a good idea to have it backed up so all your settings are maintained and you don’t have to do any setup if you decided to replace the existing copy. 

 

Do you have a backup of an older version that you can place where the current version is  now?  In other words, if you have a backup, delete the folder of the program you are using and copy the backup to the location you run the program from.

 

If you don’t have a backup, I’m not sure about how you would downgrade.  Others may be able to advise you.  I’m going to let my current version update and see if I have any problems.  Meantime do you see such things as menus in the program?  Do you see the folders treeview?  What don’t you see, the messages list?  It may be that with more information, we can solve the problem without downgrading or using an older version.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:02 PM

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I apologized I am using thunder bird portable, not the installed program, did not know if this made a difference? Thank You Heather 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: heather albright via groups.io
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 2:56 PM
To: TechTalk@groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] thunderbird help needed

 

I can write a message in thunderbird using the keyboard keystrokes but, I am unable to access my messages after the update. IS there something I should do to make look like it did  before the update? Or can I downgrade to the last version before it updated? I am using my old app the windows mail app. I want my thunderbird back. Thank you Heather

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

 

 


Re: thunder bird not accessible

heather albright
 

Hello, when my thunderbird updated, I could not access my messages at all. I could write messages using the keyboard shortcuts but, I could not read the same message I wrote. I went threw all of this yesterday and have determined to try to redo my thunderbird, I have kept the profiles folder but if it is corrupted, I will have to redo all my accounts. So it was inaccessible to me when I wrote to the list. I wish someone could screen shared with me, to see what I am talking about. I feel like I am not being believed when it is clearly happening to me. Thank you, Heather

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ann Parsons
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:19 AM
To: main@techtalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] thunder bird not accessible

 

Morning all,

 

Heather, this message is not helpful.  All it does is bring up a bunch

of questions.

 

Now, I will preface this here message by stating that I don't use

Thunderbird.  However, the questions apply whenever the general catch

term "inaccessible" is used.   Here are the questions.

 

First, what is the program doing or not doing which makes it unusable for you?

 

Next,  What is it that you want to do which you cannot do now?

 

Third, what error messages or status messages are you getting?  What is

the computer telling you?

 

Finally, have you looked in the current documentation?  Have the

commands changed?  Have the ways to access the aspects of the program

changed?  Have you read the "What's New?"  text file?

 

Before we can help with the so-called inaccessibility problem, these

questions need to be answered.  I say so-called because the line

between inaccessibility and user ignorance is very thin.  This is

particularly true of a program which has been a model for accessibility

for years and is used by thousands of people who are blind or visually

impaired.  There's absolutely nothing wrong with ignorance because it

can be remedied with knowledge.  It is only deliberately remaining

ignorant that is the problem.  Any Thunderbird users online?  Can you

all help Heather?

 

I suspect that the ways to input commands or to get at menus have

changed.  I think once the new command set is known, all will be well. 

Now, I could be wrong.  Software companies have, in the past, made huge

bloopers which have actually made their software inaccessible, and this

is a possibility, but it's a remote one.   If the commands have

changed, maybe Accessible World or BITS or Mystic Access may want to

think about a tutorial or presentation.   That would solve the problem handily.

 

 

 

Ann P.

 

 

Original message:

 

> Hello, my thunder bird updated and now it is inaccessible! Anyone have

> this issue? Heather

 

> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

 

>

 

--

Ann K. Parsons

Portal Tutoring

EMAIL:  akp@...

Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/

Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info

Skype: Putertutor

 

"All that is gold does not glitter,

Not all those who wander are lost."

 

 

 

 

 


Re: T-Bird & Search

Mike B.
 

The, show the start page in the message area, is unchecked, but since I'm in the habit of not using the, F6 key, I need to get into the habit of using it!  A close friend told me to use the F6 key and it totally slipped my mind.  Using the F6 key works great.  Thanks for the reminder.
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:34 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] T-Bird & Search

I have no idea if this will do what you want but press alt and type t for tools.
Up arrow to options and press enter.
Tab to an item that says something like, when the program runs, show the start page in the message area.  If it is checked, uncheck it with the space bar.
 
Whether the search is showing or not, it evidently makes no difference that means anything.  When the program runs, you aren’t in the message list or in the folders tree view and you have to do something to move there.  there are different ways to move to what you want.  I press f6 twice to get to the message list.  the first press gets me to the folders treeview, the second push gets me to the message list.
 
I can also shift tab once to get to the message list.  I use f6 just because that is the first way I started moving to the message list and it had become a bit of a habit before I experimented.  I also like using f6 because it is such a common way of moving from one part of the same window to another part.
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:58 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] T-Bird & Search
 
Hi All,
 
I'm a new T-Bird user and I'm wondering if I can get rid of that search field when I tab in my In-box?  When I open T-Bird, and I'm on the In-box tab, then tab 1 time I get a search edit control + K, message, then if I tab 1 more time I'm in my message list.  So, how if I can, get rid of or close that search field?  I'm using the portable version 78....  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: amazon search

Gene
 

Since two people have reported the problem, it may be more likely that it is some sort of amazon problem and not related to the browser.  But trying another browser is a good idea. 
 
Then, there is my earlier message where I explain how to find results on the Amazon site using Google or it will probably work with many other search engines as well.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: joanne
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search
 
Amazon started showing me all these extensive searches not related to the item sometime yesterday, and a couple times it even went to some weird Microsoft/bing search.  It's never been hard to search on Amazon, but something weird happened a few times lately and I am going to switch browsers should it happen again. 
 
From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search
 
On reasonably sophisticated sites, searches should be sophisticated enough not to need qquotes in most cases.  I didn’t use quotes when I tried searching for what is specified on the site and the search worked as I thought it probably would, showing results for what I wrote without usingg quotes. 
 
What might the problem be?  I’m not sure but the first thing I would do would be to try another browser in case something, who knows what, went wrong with this one, addware, some sort of other malware that shows lots of results that aren’t wanted, possibly some thing else I don’t know about. 
 
But places like Amazon and Google are consumer products and design search to work well when used by people who know almost nothing about how to search.  This ability has been an area of concentration and improvement over a good while and is essential for such consumer products. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search
 
Hi all,

Put your search term in quotes.  That will force the search engine to
look for it as a single string.

Ann P.

--
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Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."





Re: amazon search

joanne
 

Amazon started showing me all these extensive searches not related to the item sometime yesterday, and a couple times it even went to some weird Microsoft/bing search.  It's never been hard to search on Amazon, but something weird happened a few times lately and I am going to switch browsers should it happen again. 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search

On reasonably sophisticated sites, searches should be sophisticated enough not to need qquotes in most cases.  I didn’t use quotes when I tried searching for what is specified on the site and the search worked as I thought it probably would, showing results for what I wrote without usingg quotes. 
 
What might the problem be?  I’m not sure but the first thing I would do would be to try another browser in case something, who knows what, went wrong with this one, addware, some sort of other malware that shows lots of results that aren’t wanted, possibly some thing else I don’t know about. 
 
But places like Amazon and Google are consumer products and design search to work well when used by people who know almost nothing about how to search.  This ability has been an area of concentration and improvement over a good while and is essential for such consumer products. 
 
Gene
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search
 
Hi all,

Put your search term in quotes.  That will force the search engine to
look for it as a single string.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."





Re: T-Bird & Search

Gene
 

I have no idea if this will do what you want but press alt and type t for tools.
Up arrow to options and press enter.
Tab to an item that says something like, when the program runs, show the start page in the message area.  If it is checked, uncheck it with the space bar.
 
Whether the search is showing or not, it evidently makes no difference that means anything.  When the program runs, you aren’t in the message list or in the folders tree view and you have to do something to move there.  there are different ways to move to what you want.  I press f6 twice to get to the message list.  the first press gets me to the folders treeview, the second push gets me to the message list.
 
I can also shift tab once to get to the message list.  I use f6 just because that is the first way I started moving to the message list and it had become a bit of a habit before I experimented.  I also like using f6 because it is such a common way of moving from one part of the same window to another part.
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike B
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:58 AM
Subject: [TechTalk] T-Bird & Search
 
Hi All,
 
I'm a new T-Bird user and I'm wondering if I can get rid of that search field when I tab in my In-box?  When I open T-Bird, and I'm on the In-box tab, then tab 1 time I get a search edit control + K, message, then if I tab 1 more time I'm in my message list.  So, how if I can, get rid of or close that search field?  I'm using the portable version 78....  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: looking for ms Office that I only have to pay once for

Monte Single
 

It would appear all them good deals got gobbled up.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: May 22, 2021 5:52 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] looking for ms Office that I only have to pay once for

I know. I looked a week ago and found nothing either.

Chris Judge


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: May 21, 2021 9:11 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] looking for ms Office that I only have to pay once for

Hi Chris,

Yes, the versionof m s office 2016 I purchased a couple years ago includes outlook.
Today when I looked on Amazon.ca I did not see any versions of m s office for that or a similar price.
As I wrote in my earlier message, I looked only at the first 10 to 20 results using the search term;

M s office 2019

At that kind of saving, it is worth a much more thorough search.

Also, the home/student version of office usually does not include outlook andprobably some other office components.

Now, what you find on e bay can be quite different.

I would expect that office 2022 should be out soon.

Also, micro soft is definitely nudging people toward the 360 annual subscription.

This annual subscription looks like agood deal for a family type situation, but for a single user, a one-time purchase is better.
Of course, this only applies if you care about a hundred bucks here or ther.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of chris judge
Sent: May 21, 2021 4:40 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] looking for ms Office that I only have to pay once for

Monte, does the 30 dollar version include outlook? If so I might dump the office 365 subscription and go that route.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: May 21, 2021 3:28 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] looking for ms Office that I only have to pay once for

I purchased my copy of m s office pro 2016 from Amazon. Today I would get the 2019 version, maybe there will be a 2022 soon.
It is a 1 time purchase.
If you check out the results from a search on amazon, you can find something cheap like 30 bucks. It's legal. I even got m s to help me install it.
With these low priced editions, you do not get a dvd,, you get a product key. Then you must go to the m s store and download the version you purchased.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@TechTalk.groups.io <main@TechTalk.groups.io> On Behalf Of Troy Burnham
Sent: May 21, 2021 11:44 AM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] looking for ms Office that I only have to pay once for

Hi all,


A while back I started looking for ms Office but all I found online was versions that it looked like I'd have to pay a yearly subscription for.
Are there versions of ms Office that I can get online and only have to pay once for, and if so what's the best place to look?


Thanks.


Troy


T-Bird & Search

Mike B.
 

Hi All,
 
I'm a new T-Bird user and I'm wondering if I can get rid of that search field when I tab in my In-box?  When I open T-Bird, and I'm on the In-box tab, then tab 1 time I get a search edit control + K, message, then if I tab 1 more time I'm in my message list.  So, how if I can, get rid of or close that search field?  I'm using the portable version 78....  Thanks much.
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.


Re: amazon search

Gene
 

On reasonably sophisticated sites, searches should be sophisticated enough not to need qquotes in most cases.  I didn’t use quotes when I tried searching for what is specified on the site and the search worked as I thought it probably would, showing results for what I wrote without usingg quotes. 
 
What might the problem be?  I’m not sure but the first thing I would do would be to try another browser in case something, who knows what, went wrong with this one, addware, some sort of other malware that shows lots of results that aren’t wanted, possibly some thing else I don’t know about. 
 
But places like Amazon and Google are consumer products and design search to work well when used by people who know almost nothing about how to search.  This ability has been an area of concentration and improvement over a good while and is essential for such consumer products. 
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TechTalk] amazon search
 
Hi all,

Put your search term in quotes.  That will force the search engine to
look for it as a single string.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL:  akp@...
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site:  http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."





Re: amazon search

Ann Parsons
 

Hi all,

Put your search term in quotes. That will force the search engine to look for it as a single string.

Ann P.

--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."


Re: thunder bird not accessible

Ann Parsons
 

Morning all,

Heather, this message is not helpful. All it does is bring up a bunch of questions.

Now, I will preface this here message by stating that I don't use Thunderbird. However, the questions apply whenever the general catch term "inaccessible" is used. Here are the questions.

First, what is the program doing or not doing which makes it unusable for you?

Next, What is it that you want to do which you cannot do now?

Third, what error messages or status messages are you getting? What is the computer telling you?

Finally, have you looked in the current documentation? Have the commands changed? Have the ways to access the aspects of the program changed? Have you read the "What's New?" text file?

Before we can help with the so-called inaccessibility problem, these questions need to be answered. I say so-called because the line between inaccessibility and user ignorance is very thin. This is particularly true of a program which has been a model for accessibility for years and is used by thousands of people who are blind or visually impaired. There's absolutely nothing wrong with ignorance because it can be remedied with knowledge. It is only deliberately remaining ignorant that is the problem. Any Thunderbird users online? Can you all help Heather?

I suspect that the ways to input commands or to get at menus have changed. I think once the new command set is known, all will be well. Now, I could be wrong. Software companies have, in the past, made huge bloopers which have actually made their software inaccessible, and this is a possibility, but it's a remote one. If the commands have changed, maybe Accessible World or BITS or Mystic Access may want to think about a tutorial or presentation. That would solve the problem handily.



Ann P.


Original message:

Hello, my thunder bird updated and now it is inaccessible! Anyone have this issue? Heather
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
--
Ann K. Parsons
Portal Tutoring
EMAIL: akp@sero.email
Author of The Demmies: http://www.dldbooks.com/annparsons/
Portal Tutoring web site: http://www.portaltutoring.info
Skype: Putertutor

"All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost."

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