hello all,
am currently running win7 on my desktop machine, but seemingly support for this is going to end this coming january.
not only do I not really want windows 10, as I have just heard so many stories of access issues with it, especially when it comes to those pesky ribbon menus, but as my current screenreader is window-eyes, that seemingly won't work with it as well.
so if I have got to change both my os and screenreader, rather than the win10 rout, I wondered if there is any sort of android desktop machine?
as at least having used that on my samsung phone, if there is, I thought that may be a better rout to go.
if that's not possible, another option that I am considering, is something like chrome os, again, if I can find that on a desktop machine, so am wondering if anyone has had any experience of this with it's screenreader, and range of apps?
as I have heard a few good things about this, but don't really know that much about it.

Simon

That’s interesting but it would be impractical today.  It would also open the door to all sorts of opportunities for corruption.

 

Back then, capitalism was in its very early stages and a provision like that fits in with a not well formed system.

 

Gene

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From: Ron Canazzi

Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 10:27 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi Gene,

Apparently you are not aware that in the early days of the republic, corporate charters were granted on a limited basis. That is to say, that states could revoke them after a certain time period if they were seem to have violated the public trust or not lived up to the aspects of their charter. In the late 19th century, this limitation was all but eliminated by the Supreme Court in what I believe were called 'The Slaughter House Cases.'  Since then, once you have a charter, it is voidable only at the option of the corporation itself.

On 10/8/2019 9:39 AM, Gene wrote:

You are fifteen or twenty years out of date.  Microsoft isn't what I would consider a monopoly any longer.  It has the most widely used operating system but it faces enormous competition in all sorts of areas. 

 

And pro-business or not, there is no practical way to have some sort of law against a business providing bad service or not managing itself well. 

 

What would you have happen, have some sort of commission rule on when a company isn't performing well and somehow trying to force it to do so?

 

We have, and need, product liability and food purity legislation.  The idea of having some sort of commission that says to companies, once you put a product on the market, if you don't maintain it properly, we'll get you, is absurd. 

 

The free market does some things well and competition is at the heart of the free market.  You are, in essence, saying that the government will now enforce competition by making companies produce products that function well.  If Microsoft continues down its current path, it will suffer the consequences.

 

Gene

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From: Gerald Levy via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 6:00 AM

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Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

 

Congress is controlled by pro-business Republicans who have traditionally taken a hands-off approach to regulating big business.  The only way Congress would ever try to impose penalties against MS would be if the pathetic excuse of a President were suddently unable to rant on Twitter because of bugs in his computer's OS and he personally demanded that they take action against MS.  MS is an absolute monopoly, which by the way, has powerful lobbyists on its payroll greasing palms all over Washington, so they can essentially get away with  anything they damn well please with absolute impunity. . 

 

Gerald

 

 

On 10/8/2019 1:52 AM, James Bentley wrote:

Microsoft is such an intrinsic component of our society, economy, and even our National Defense that we the people I.E. our Congress should figure out a way to become involved if MS doesn’t get its act together pretty soon.

 

Now I can agree, we haven’t reach such a point yet where drastic actions are needed .  But, this is getting ridiculous.  How many times has a small business had to close its doors until their computers were back up and running all because MS sent out a poorly designed update?

 

I suspect that I might be naive and over simplifying the topic but, Gene, my respected brother, when is enough enough? 

 

I wonder if anyone has any ideas concerning this topic.  Please keep it light.  None of us need to stumble in to a thread that turns in to a big hassle.

 

Regards to all,

 

James B

 

From: Gene

 

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 12:01 AM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Congress can't just make laws about anything.  What is such a law to say, that a company shall not send out bad updates or updates without sufficient review?  There are no laws saying that a company shall continue to perform up to certain standards except for laws regarding purity of foods and such, public safety laws.  You can't have laws enforcing levels of quality in products.  That is what competition is supposed to do.  And where would the army of enforcers come from?

 

You can't have a law that says that a company shall produce a certain quality of products. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:45 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Other than complaints, even business users can’t force MS to get its act together.  And, I don’t see a major migration over to Macs.

 

No law yet.  But, doesn’t Congress have the authority to create laws?

 

Cheers,

 

James B

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:24 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

What law says that a company can't mismanage its product?  We'll see what happens as Microsoft is under increasing pressure from users, and particularly business users, to administer updates properly.  I think it is ridiculous and unmanageable to have two full updates of Windows a year.  That is, in essence, installing two completely new versions.  But Windows has had a lot of bad incremental updates over the last year as well.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: James Bentley

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 7:20 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi,

 

For me, Windows is the only option for an operating system that I am willing to consider.  So, why can’t our congress fine Microsoft a large amount of money to force them to get their act together.

 

Or, is this unrealistic?

 

Regards,

 

James B

 

 

 

From: emile

Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 7:03 PM

To: main@TechTalk.groups.io

Subject: Re: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Hi Gene! This is getting ridiculous.  How dare they, Microsoft release updates before they make sure that the updates will work first.  People, will be forced to switch to lenox if that continues.  If it was other companies treated their customers in that fashion, there would be such an outcry where it is possible that those companies might be going bankrupt.  Shame on Microsoft; that is poor workmanship.

Emile.

 

From: main@TechTalk.groups.io mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2019 4:39 PM
To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
Subject: [TechTalk] Windows 10 updates again

 

Microsoft does it again. 

https://www.komando.com/happening-now/602534/deja-vu-microsoft-update-breaks-windows-again?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=notd&utm_content=2019-10-07

 

Gene

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